CAN THE £50K 2024 HONDA CIVIC TYPE R 'TURN' THIS VW MAN?  

anyone above the age of 22 is gonna look a right dick driving this thing round tbh

RenaultSport Megane gave the flared arches without the wing, if preferred. The overall presence is quite similar. Fair play to both brands for doing the special wider arches -- I'm not sure why VW doesn't bother to do that (Audi do so on the RS3?).

it shouts im a boy racer and a bit of a bellend 🤣

@@orbytl2799 And a Porsche GT3 RS or even a Kermit green Audi RS3 doesn't? :raises eyebrow: The idea German manufacturers don't have lairy colours and bodykits is plainly untrue.

@@TassieLorenzo yeah you can get away with it if it has a porsche or audi badge on it a front wheel drive car with a honda badge and a load of tacky stuff plastered on it, not so much 🤣

Hi had a G plate Mk2. Had a hydrid turbo too. Loved the boost gauge as standard too. Very rare car now

A used previous gen car seems to be the wise choice, not expensive, lots to choose from, wing optional and dynamically still a cut about everything else in class.

And it has actual physical controls for heating and ventilation rather than a touchscreen. Complaints of a cheap interior yet VAG use touchscreens which is a cost saving , cheap solution rather than analogue controls.

The high price is possibly because they don't want to sell too many because of the affect on their WLTP CO2/km, it also has 10% (9.X%) import tariff because it's not made in Europe unlike the older ones. I understand that most of the production allocation goes to the Japanese market domestically.

@@TassieLorenzo I doubt honda is making too much money per type R too, I think if they cost 10k less honda prob be making no money

The bench hasn’t and never will support 3 people. It’s not safe enough. All type rs are 4 seaters :)

Left field is good and I wish I was more adventurous (Aston Martin instead of Porsche for example) but there is always something that I can’t live with - for example why does Civic have red front seats and black at the back? This doesn’t not make it faster and just looks sloppy and not acceptable at any price let alone 50 big ones. I didn’t notice this until the edit BTW

@@volkswizard "for example why does Civic have red front seats and black at the back? " It's tradition, the same as two seatbelts in the back row only (which is dumb, but tradition). At one point, the Integra Type R was available with red *or* blue *or* yellow *or* black interior (with matching carpets and floormats), but ALL of them had a black rear seat.

Some guy from Honda was interviewed and said they had to make a profit on them hence the price - I hope he got sacked because profit in cars is about shifting metal, if they were cheaper they'd sell more and each one would cost Honda less. Having said that the FK8 was relatively cheap buy they still didn't sell that many.

I did exactly the same thing £12000 more than the fk8 ridiculous

@@volkswizard I honestly cannot see where all the money went if they needed to change circa 50k to turn a profit , no doubt it’s a good car, but it’s full of cheap plastic. I honestly expected it to be under 40k. They definitely would’ve had my order if they’d priced it competitively. Problem with the FK8 was it was ridiculously ugly, which put off a lot of buyers. I certainly couldn’t live with the looks.

Guys, I think your missing a vital point why the price went up. Swindon factory shut in the UK. Hence they now have to pay import tax and are limited how many cars can be brought into the UK now .

​@@azamchaudhriGood old Thatcherism. She was happy to drive industry out of the UK, now you guys don't make anything anymore

I’m miffed that I missed the 128 ti when it was on BMW’s press fleet and don’t think it’s coming back. M135i was good though. I30N I drove at Millbrook in 2019 I think. Need to try auto version but again out of production so needs to be used. Same issue with Megane sadly but will try and find used examples in due course 👍

@@volkswizard Thank you. (I wasn't expecting a reply!) If you ever get a chance, I think your style would lend itself well to such a comparison on video.

My pleasure Patrick. It’s tricky because the Honda is so different to Clubsport S. The way VW differentiate performance models is different to Honda. They are more subtle and classy and while you can’t choose different colour interiors (like with the Honda) the default trim is designed to offend nobody and with the standard bucket seats which complement the rest of the interior it’s special without being garish. No back seats is always going to make a Golf (in fact any hatch) special. VW could have used non standard cars like Honda did for the ring record but they took the seats out and were brave enough to keep that for the production CSS. GTI ride is pretty plush in comfort mode which means it’s easy to forget you are something special, I suspect Civic is firmer so feels more special but less comfortable. I think most people will see the Civic as a modified car and the Golf as a normal GTI. For me the fact the Golf can blend in and yet be so talented & useable makes it more special. But Civic is still special, just with we could have a wingless car with no red inside and 2 exhaust tips or even black tips, silver wheels would be nice too👍

@@volkswizard thanks for a great reply! Yeah you can't beat class of a golf..👍

Thanks Colin. What I noticed while editing was that the back seats are black and the fronts are red! There are so many mistakes with this car like that, forcing people to have red carpets (and red front seats is another) and that wing and 3 exhausts is just too much. How much of the above really is necessary? The chassis and gearshift which everyone raves about don't need the bolt on bits and certainly not required on the road. Get rid of all that rubbish and I might forgive the terrible switchgear.

@@volkswizard stick with VW , you’re clueless as usual

Perhaps stick with walk-arounds of ford transit vans ​@@bestcrazyboy8487

@@volkswizardwhat’s wrong with the switch gear? The touch sensitive screen on a mark 8 Golf is the most useless thing I have ever tried on any car 🤷‍♀️

​@@bestcrazyboy8487I totally agree with you, I've got 3 vag vehicles but even I know civic type r's are amazing drivers cars & the people who buy them aren't bothered about fancy touchscreen systems that don't work or having boring black interiors.

Just trying to be honest and transparent👼. I don’t have to keep advertisers happy like nearly every other review platform so I didn’t have any preconceived ideas of whether I’d like it or not. Overall it was ok but I discovered things I’d not read about that do cloud my opinion of it especially at £50k. The red front/black rear seats I only noticed later and are a bit odd too. But for driving it’s very good

@@volkswizard thanks very much for you reply ,really appreciated. I been a honda man for 20 years and owned 13, including all type R . But as honda no longer the car I very owned I bought a octavia 245 vrs , and I've been converted!! Absolutely love it and I'm toying with doing a stage 1 revo remap . Your thoughts?

@@stevenvater2681 you owned a type r and think a Octavia is good lmao. I smell shite

It's crazy - thing is you make them £40k and sell loads and that way all the R&D costs, tooling costs etc are shared over more cars so they don't cost as much to build. But the biggest issue is the red inside which really isn't something people like generally, the looks are still too much and the switchgear is a bit clunky too.

God bless 🇬🇧

I don't see why it needs to be £50k, there is nothing exotic about it anywhere. OK it's had a lot of calibration but it's just a 4 banger turbo making similar output to an EA888. Maybe the dampers are special but those on the Clubsport S which also do comfort and harder are nothing special from Monroe and cost the same as any other VW DCC shock and it's only 3 seconds behind on the 'ring. It's a mystery.

Anything that is £7k down and £700 a month is just rude. No car is worth that, especially when it's not yours. Over 4yrs as well.

@@volkswizard I'm pretty sure its more than 3 seconds behind, those are the times from the old ring, the track has altered and extended making those old times considered moot today.

How much is a comparable golf gti now?

@@richardrichard9631 The 8.5 Clubsport is going to be roughly £2k more than the base GTI which has gone on sale at £38,900. The top spec Golf R Black Edition will be £44k ish. Just shows how mad Honda are here 🫣

"Can you imagine rocking up to anything business-related in one of these?!" Can you honestly say an Audi RS3 in lime green is any more discreet? There's nothing wrong with having a fun car because you like cars, and not the standard white Tesla Model 3 or silver BMW 3 Series IMO.

It looks mild enough. Besides, who cares what others think? Business, schmusiness.

Really? That’s a bit odd for a car in that segment

@@volkswizard It's tradition.

Nein!

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@@conorf8091 clearly been minced a few times then hey ar lad

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Like I said didn’t have much time so to try everything was impossible (30 mins to film a 15 min video is not something I choose to do). I’ve looked up +R mode and best suited to a proper circuit rather than that a track that deliberately mimics a road.

@@volkswizard I get that, but the R in Type R is for that very reason that any reviewer or owner should drive it in its best mode track or not in my opinion.

Thanks 🙌🏻

Can only assume Japan has lovely smooth roads

Well that's the reason they are perfect on the track and holds records.

I am from Belgium, and i own a fl5 type r. It is a good thing you dont see many. And the price is not worse the a golf 8 R if you include options.

Seems ur not aware how good this car is.

It's pricey for a reason

@@mrlionrocks overpriced its that simple

@@billx4266it’s not overpriced when it’s a similar price to its rivals and offers much more. You can’t really spec anything on them unlike other cars. Once you spec rivals the prices are similar or higher.

Totally agree. Most that have commented have probably never driven one.

Bespoke? It’s not a Saville Row suit.

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Agreed x2

Conservative buyers like this is why Alfa Romeo dropped both the red and tan interior options on the Giulia, IIRC since 2021 only black is still available. 😔 Not that the Giulia had matching carpets. I think it's unfortunate you can't order your Giulia in traditional Alfa Red over tan interior (yet that is still the highest resale value colour combination for a Ferrari, while on Alfa it's discontinued, go figure?!).

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Yea and its fking Yaris and not Type R at the end.

@@VeyroneR Exactly. It’s far more reliable, faster, much lighter, and overall far more nimble and engaging vs the overpriced Type R. Oh and it’s fully built in Japan, unlike the Type R, which builds the engine in the USA 🤦‍♂️

@@VidNibs rofl ask 100 ppl what would they rather have Type R or Yaris and see results. That's all u need to know.

@@VeyroneR You’re ignorant beyond belief. Yeah, go ahead and ask people who have driven both. Most will go for the GR Yaris with AWD vs some low tier Accord/looking Honda that’s still using FWD. I bet any money that you haven’t even driven a GR Yaris. It’s a far more special and unique car in every way. A true homologation special with the same weight ironically as the S2000 and e30 M3. To add insult to injury, the Type R costs £50k, but gets no carbon roof and no real Brembos in the rear lol

Yep, that’s the same as a Boxster GTS rears!

Yep, tricky one. Yes it’s sweeter to drive than R but R is a better all rounder though Clubsport Mk8 is cheaper than R, closer dynamically to Civic and ultimately it’s a nice, classy Golf and 8.5 with new screen will be even better and around £43k

@@volkswizard exactly my thoughts. The Mk8 Clubsport is better value and probably quite a bit nicer to live with. Probably somewhat less involving but also way better in daily tasks. Great review as always though!

Didn’t need +R in this context, as I said in video we started in sport then comfort then back to sport for the fun bit on the hill. On the bowl it was sport then comfort to test high speed ride quality - I know not many other reviewers bothers with that but it’s how the car will get driven a lot

@volkswizard Well, if you didn't use the drive mode that best shows the power of this engine, why were you complaining about acceleration? .....When you were trying to compare the fl5, to this golf?....Should have put the car's engine in +R mode. In the individual settings, Leave the suspension in comfort ...So you could of at least used all of the engine, in your review RU-vidr .

I knew I’d seen them somewhere before. Did MG Montego get them too?

I can see the similarities - I think of the switchgear is carried over unchanged 🤨

@@volkswizard I think Honda takes the approach of "ain't broke, don't fit it" with switchgear! The lack of dedicated rear window switches for the driver's door on the id3 hasn't earned any praise AFAIK...

Don’t cry 🙄

Hard plastics? Have you been in a Audi A3 or Golf these days?!

Don’t think Type R’s were ever meant to target folks who buy cars for “tech” or ambient lighting..WTH does ambient lighting do for a driver anyway

​@@jdmguy44 Yup, sure have. But hey, you want to pay £50K for a f**king Honda Civic plus the 'luxury car' road tax that goes with it, knock yourself out, lol

@@stupot8572 Would rather pay £50k for a performance Honda Civic than £50k for an equivalent f**king VW Golf or Audi A3 mate! That said have you never heard of that thing called the used car market?!!

I know what you mean

Me too, even I30N makes more sense and leaves cash in bank and you can have an auto

​@@volkswizardwhy the hell would you want an auto in a hot hatch?? Ffs that's the most ridiculous statement I've heard

Not at all. You can easily spec a golf r to 50k. The Honda is 50k with everything on, barely any options to add. And the engineering you’re getting for the money is closer to a Porsche gt3 than a golf. Not to mention you’re getting something much rarer than it’s rivals. Honda have no desire to sell huge numbers in order to maintain the brand value of type r.

It’s got a big wing and decals, big intake so it definitely stands out over a cooking Golf but it’s relatively low key appearance is an asset for many especially with performance levels not much behind the Civic

Nice one Matt! That's another to add to the list of why they won't sell many; No auto Looks are a bit OTT (still) Too much red inside (and black back seats!) Price.

They definitely wouldn’t.

Doubt they care about selling more, it’s not a high production model anyway. There are those who give Honda props for sticking to manual only..

No they wouldn't, the people these cars are aimed at 100% want a manual box, it's a hot hatch ffs for drivers who want to be involved 🤦‍♂️ dear god

They only intend to sell 9,600-10,000 units per year globally AFAIK. Which is not very many, but then again the KIA Stinger only sold 25,000 units per year globally and that was a full model range, not just a subvariant of an economy car. Honda has their 8-speed dual clutch which was only designed for low torque or their 10-speed automatic designed for high torque, if they wanted a dual-clutch they would have to design it or buy it from Getrag like Renault [the only dual-clutch for cars Honda have is the 9-speed longitudinal transaxle from the NSX which is no use -- they have a number of motorcycle dual-clutch boxes too, which have a bit of a patchy reputation in the Gold Wing]. Some of the costs are already amortised with the North American-only Integra Type S which is predominantly the same car. I thought that would have the 10-speed auto optional, but it does not. The TLX Type S [V6 twin-turbo] uses the Honda 10-speed auto though.