One of the most interesting aspects of space exploration is the search for alien life and alien civilizations. We should definetely use it for this purpose.
I seriously wholeheartedly hope that they *will* use the immense opportunity that james webb gives to look closer to water moons like europa enceladus that could gave huge hints about themselves and biome - perhaps they could look systems like trappist 1 or gliese 581 ! My genuine answer is *defiitely yes!* We really should actively use james webb telescope to search for habitable systems and life harboring planets and moons
The raw data from JWST should be released publicly as soon as received. When the raw data was finally released from a Jupiter probe, the officials in charge were astounded how much more quality information "amateurs" were able to ferret out of the data than had been thought possible. The "amateurs" asked questions the officials had not thought of and -- like all good questions -- led to new insights.
JWST should be used to look for alien life. It should also be used to look at everything we think is in the designed capability envelope, and many things we think are outside that envelope. Learn all the things, push all the limits.
You can look up what observation time has be allotted towards so far and find out more about how observations are selected from proposals online. I think both NASA and the ESA have websites that discuss it.
I think they will look at everything it's capable of looking at. Personally I don't think finding signs of life is that important. It would literally take an idiot to think it hadn't existed, problem is, we will be getting info the is millions to hundreds of millions of years old.
@@rawbebaba sure, odds are that life exists somewhere. But how common is it? What is it's nature? So many questions and finally being able to observe the composition of exoplanet atmospheres could possibly show that simple life is quite common. ( Or the opposite)
@Charles blythe • Duh? One telescope 🔭 can only do so much! Thousands of people around the world 🌎 are waiting for their alloted time on the scope, so importance of projects depends upon individual perspective of endeavors.
@@Quickcat21MK The amount of anecdotal evidence has me leaning that way. You go ahead and keep on moving. Why reply is my only question? seems like a waste of time...
@@paulb3436 Great point. The problem the west has is we think we are too smart to have kids. The west has fallen to Marxist ideology. Soon we will rise from the globalists ashes though.
Wow! Imagine if the JWST actually detected alien life... I wouldn't be surprised really because the JWST is so advanced and there's no way we're alone in the universe... But at the same time, I'd be really surprised because aliens... 😱👽 🤯
If anything they've always been overly optimistic. It's only really a taboo to talk about UFOs as Aliens because they probably aren't. Intelligent life is still likely exceedingly rare and I'd put money on us never detecting it.
Advanced intelligences with high technology are extremely rare, and among those few that do emerge...some of them become ultra efficient, some move into their "Matrix," some stay quiet, some self destruct, and so on, and so on....I think this is what explains the Fermi Paradox.
Small increments in technological advancements each one presenting us with more of a chance of finding intelligent life out there comparable to ours or above that is !
Can JWST find alien life? At this point, with UAPs and all, I'm leaning toward $97 binoculars instead of a $9.7 BILLION telescope. But that's just me and my refusal to trivially dismiss UAPs until they are properly explained.
Yes. Humans have never built something that can go from hover to hypersonic and back to subsonic flight. We don't even have a conceptual idea of how to do that. Yet we have recorded exactly this on multiple systems. Multiple observers. Tracked by radar. Keep looking up.
Definitely we should. Finding another intelligent civilization somewhere out there in the cosmos would be such a HUGE discovery. I would be content to die after that discovery. Just to know… My gut feeling is that they are out there. Just very rare. We’re very special.
@@markstewart5822 you don’t think intelligent life in the universe is special??? It sure doesn’t appear to be common. It’s pretty amazing that billions of years ago we had a planet around a star with some chemistry going on… and now we have “ all this”. Isn’t it? And it’s arrogant of me to say so??? That’s a bizarre comment to make. I would love to hear your definition of special.
Thanks for mentioning what I think is the most compelling answer to the Fermi Paradox: colonizing space is hard, and offers little return. The idea that a civilization would - or could - maintain a 1.5 million-year-long project to populate the galaxy seems ludicrous. One solar system can support a population of many trillions. I don’t see any serious effort being made to send multitudes of colonists in sleeper ships, much less generation ships.
Even if you look at birth rates on Earth over the last 100 years the impact of technology and education have inversely affected the birth rates of many cultures. There just doesn't need to be a population of trillions. It could be eventually a species learns it's all about quality over quantity, and focuses on making their own planet a verdant utopia. Especially if they've mastered terraforming what reason is there to move to another world, let alone another star system? There might be trillions of technologically advanced civs, by millions of years, but other than scientific endeavors or an extinction event they're content to stay at home and chill with the family. Maybe priorities simply change once your civ gets far enough down the tech tree. A dyson sphere makes sense to us but it could just as well sound laughably absurd as building a nuclear power plant to run your PC. I honestly think he nailed it when he said, "maybe the answer to the Fermi paradox is that alien civilizations are just difficult to see."
Finally! Some scientist says what I've suspected for years; the notion of Von Neuman probes just may be too fantastical. It's hard to extrapolate our technology to a point where we can make self replicating machines that can keep working for millions of years. Our oldest probe (Voyager) is failing due to the radiation in interstellar space and it's only 50 years old. It's tempting to have a "Marvel MCU" belief in technology eventually just magically doing whatever the plot requires. It may be a bridge to far for a probe to be able to mine all the raw materials, fabricate the necessary building materials (eg titanium, steel, silicon wafers, "unobtainium" panels, etc), refine fuels and then build another copy of itself, all without any intervention from us. It's tempting in light of our last 100 years of innovation to think tech has no limits but that may not be the case. At any rate, great episode!🙏 I hope you can have Haqq-Misra on again soon.
@@nutyyyy for our current life, the right distance from the star it orbits, once we know it's there we can search for things inside it's atmosphere to determine if life exists there, or perhaps we might find evidence of fossil fuel usage
I do not doubt technological innovation, BUT i seriously doubt NASA. They "went to the moon" with late 1950's and 60's tech but haven't done jack since. They still don't have a camera on the moon so people can see the earth rise, the stars when the moon is not getting the sun, their images of what's in space only gets better with the advent of civilian computer graphics. They are 25 years overdue on JWT and always over budget. Their public relations people always sound like they are talking to American 3rd graders in a city public school. They say things but offer no substance. NASA could have been more but they are not, or ever will be. The only reason they still exist is to launder tax dollars from US to Russia for Space flights, ISS upgrades, and anything else put in orbit or beyond. No other government organization has the track record of NASA. Obama was right to not fund them, they possess the same efficacy for change in America as a politician in an election year.... zero use.
Dozens of earth 🌍 💡 planets 🪐 lie in habitable locations trying to find one is very difficult 😥 with all the exoplanets covering large portion of the planets 🪐.???Habitable planets 🪐 is within reach center on Fermi paradox to find civilizations way beyond our world 🌎 period.???
With scientists, there will always be a debate…….look at the UAP stuff. Some scientists are at least coming around and saying, hey, we really need to start looking at this. While others will ridicule any evidence, no matter how interesting and credible.
You know, I am under the impression that it can't find alien life. There's too many variables as to why methane happens, etc. Too many variables. And the mirror is not big enough to image the surface. It won't find life.
Pretty sure this is what there intentions have been all along to use the JamesWebTelescope to find life. And if anyone thinks they shouldn't bother then you have no wonder on we got here. Are you even human? Anyone that says no then you must be religiously deluded.
The new seti technology is so exciting. The ability to perhaps identify techno signatures on exoplanets is tremendously exciting. I’m looking forward to techno signatures being spotted on distant worlds. For me it’s only a matter of time.
self replicating probes is a ridiculous idea. This machine would need to be able to find and mine many different metals and minerals and then to refine them into other materials. There are simply too many exploration and manufacturing processes that this probe would need to do.
I wish I was a member of an Alien specie that puts gaining knowledge before making profit. Imagine how much more we can learn if there was enough funding for more science projects and more peoples working on science projects instead of fighting wars. Sometimes I really think I'm not from this planet. We should not forget that we are a result of high intelligence. We exists because of complex engineering so that means there is at least 1 thing that is more intelligent than we are. The Universe is too complex to be happen "by chance". So it's almost impossible for intelligence to be "rare". I think distances are huge for a reason. Isolated evolution is obvious the goal here. But maybe there are solar systems with more than 1 habited planets and that would make evolution different. Maybe is our solar system more of an exception to have just 1 living planet. So many questions, so little time and resources to find the answers. We need to change our life, this planet and try to hack the universe and demand an explanation from our creators!
I think when we say "Techno-signature" we need to admit that we mean "Techno-signatures like ours" . Electron charge manipulation has certainly given us many options and conveniences , but may not be the end-all and only high tech that we currently think it is.
Explain away all the events that happens at skin walker ranch. Millions of dollars have been put into research at that ranch, countless man hours from reputable scientists, measurement devices such as magnetometers, infrared cameras, temperature sensors, etc. You also can go there your self, and experience these phenomenons. I would like your thoughts please. Also, the tic tac situation that occurred years ago, as well as many pilots reporting to the faa about oval shaped, and cubed shaped crafts. They have been around us for eons.
Imagine having a box full of marbles, picking the first marble from the box and noticing a crack in the marble. Than thinking "Aha! This marble has a crack in it. So it must be unique and this marble is the only marble with a crack in it." This is the mentality of many that believe life only exists on earth.
Miss Erin's ad read at the start? Even with me not really trustful of the offered service? I love he ad roll based on her reading of it. Thank you for making it an entertaining listen.
I think this is great! It may find evidence of civilizations similar to the technological level of Rome but not yet having the technology yet to send radio signals!!
I wonder if they use lighting similar to us. So say Mercury vapor lighting from the 1950's , also Neon and now LED's. These should show up as weird spectral spikes when looking at the light from the planets? I wonder too if tidally locked planets might set up mirrors either on the ground or in space that also might be visible.
The civilizations could be building 30 or 40 story buildings on one mile growing their food that way to conserve how much land they have to use to grow food and then just recycle the chemicals and everything indoors without any of it getting to the atmosphere it's actually what I've been proposing for us to do
A simple man like me just thinks that when humans visit mars we come to the conclusion that there's a reason robots haven't found remnants of life because there never had been any ever
Two important facts we have no correct answers: Do aliens life exist other solar systems in Miky Way galaxy and how many stars are there in Miky Way galaxy? I hope someone has the correct answers and wins the Nobel Prize.
Yesterday I wrote that Putin's mistake could one day have a beneficial effect on freedom. But I wouldn't have thought that you could see the beginnings so quickly.
Dammit I'm late to the party. John, Something I've been thinking about. I agree with you that likely the microbe universe is right but could you (or have you already?) explore the societal implications if JWST finds the galaxy teeming with biosignatures? Say like .8 habitable planets with biosignatures per star?
I think we are going to see some amazingly beautiful things in incredibly sharp focus with JWST.......and also a whole lot of nothing that indicates life elsewhere..... and we will feel even more alone..
The topics you cover are always good, but my favorite episodes are the ones where the guest uses a real microphone. So many of them sound like they have their iPhone on speaker and are yelling from across the room while they do the dishes.
Any scientist or investigators interested in nonhuman life should stop and go interview all citizens in their country that have seen any UFO/UAP or came face to face with a nonhuman being.
The JWST should be used to look for all things lost. To clarify - there must be some "Realm" or "Dimension" or other location where all of those mismatched socks, lost keys, etc. go! I've often wondered that because even when I do each article of clothing I own in the laundry (except the cloths on my body) I can never, ever seem to find those damn lost socks! Maybe tiny, little aliens made of something like "dark matter," or that exist in a dimension of spacetime that our primative human senses can not perceive (hence the reason we never seem to see them in the act) are what's responsible for ALL of the world's lost socks?? Maybe they NEED old, dirty human-being socks in order to survive? Who knows? I call upon the power of the James Webb Space Telescope... HELP! Those pesky, little, dark-matter aliens that STOLE my socks (in the PAST) have begun to redshift as they traverse the ever-expanding cosmos looking for more things to steal; things like socks and car keys, things that drive a person mad when there's seemingly no explanation as to WHERE they went! ... Hey, what's better than a $10 billion "Lost-Socks-Finder" ? :)
It's so strange listening to discussions like these about humans expanding in number and space. We are currently 70% in overshoot according to the best science investigating the problem of human overshoot on Earth. The implication is that within a generation our current civilization will fully collapse because that is how overshoot to this extent is always resolved in nature, and if you pay attention the collapse has already begun in many places of the world. Somehow, though, the words OVERSHOOT, OVERPOPULATION, OVER CONSUMPTION, and REQUIRED MASS STERILIZATION don't seem to be part of this discussion because they are all taboo. In fact, I didn't even hear about climate change either, which is insane given that is going to knock us down first! Instead, we talk about 30 billion humans as if that is a remote possibility of that on Earth (hint: there is no such possibility). We are collectively engaged in talking about the biggest pipe dream of all history in this show and most like it. That's too bad since if we had treated these problems as we should, there is a slim possibility we could have made it about 40 years ago. Now, though, because of our actions, the collapse of our current civilization cannot be avoided and we are in the early stages of the sixth mass extinction, which will wipe out most life on the planet.
MARS. Prime real estate. Like Lex Luthor always said. Location, Location, Location. Proximity to the asteroid belt is key. Materials free floating for processing and manufacturing zero g factory plus 1 3rd gravity exit velocity will grant extra solar generation ships and multi galactic homestead opportunities ensuring earth life longevity nevermind the ez outer solar body accessibility. That is our legacy. If not i hope to see a nuclear explosion soon. That's how hoomanz rub me. Elon said it " LETS MAKE IT REAL!"
"So when I say 30 billion or 100 billion people for Earth that's sort of a scary thought because we don't know how to put the brakes on yet." This is not true. We do know how to put the brakes on. The best way is to modernize all our 3rd world countries and give them access to inexpensive fossil fuels. The empirical evidence shows that birth rates for societies tend to trend downward once they become modernized. Instead of couples having 6-10 kids or more and hoping 4 or 5 reach adulthood, couples are having 1 or 2 kids with most of them reaching adulthood. The frightening aspect of the future is not the one foreseen by Paul Ehrlich in the 70's with overpopulation and mass starvation. Instead, it's maintaining a birth rate high enough to sustain a decent population. While Jacob Haqq-Misra is likely a competent astrobiologist, he seems unfamiliar with global population trends.
What a bore! Let's stay on Earth? Let SPACEX explore Mars? Laughable. No one has the right to stop free individuals from exploration. And that includes Antarctica. We will go.
I would go to Mars to stay. And I'd do so with the intention of building a place for other to live as well and to eventually make it habitable... To Areoform it into a habitable planet with its own ecologies and wild life that has become native. IMHO, there's little point to goto Mars otherwise. Further, I do not support going to space just to mine it. If the point to space becomes bringing resources back here, forget it. Space is only worth it if we're going to live there, IMHO. And not just humans but all of Earthly life.
Ha yes colonizing the ocean floor would be trivial compared to colonizing Mars. You could tie a rock to some food and drop it in, rather than rocketing between planets! Is JWST even strong enough to characterize atmospheres in Trappist-1?
I think it is a very clear and logical explanation all e way up till 10 mins but as a person who knows nth at all, not even suggesting after watching thiis, but from young I alrdy think that why not look for the same signature as what we will find on Earth as we look back from our own satellite etc. This is because I learned that we can see the kind of gases thru prism spectrum..so yeah why is this. Thing now and not always? Or am I missing out something? That this guy is the actual guy who suggested what I learn and saw when I was young.. I'm 36 this yr and I probably heard about finding signatures like this when I was 12 or 13
Thought experiments is not wishful thinking. Plant life came first by million of years, then animal life came second. Plant life needs CO2 because it is their oxygen, we came second and we output CO2, wouldn't it make sense to think plant life made animal life as a means to produce more Co2 ? So if reducing our C02 output is not in plant life best interest, how will plant life react to that ?
With majority of stars being Red Giants there’s no way human agriculture and alien agriculture can be similar… An advanced alien species would be far more efficient at farming…. We should be looking at comets floating chunks of water that any alien species would be harvesting for water.
i love how many of these have been coming out lately this is amazing its like a new one to help me sleep nearly every night sometimes ive to listen to one 3 times tho soooooo relaxing
We are not growing today. The rate of world population growth peaked in 1968! We are entering a global population crash crisis. China today is the most aging country in history (they are on track to have half of their present population by the end of the century) and most of the rest of the world including India and the rest of Asia is trending below the replacement rate. Africa is the exception for the time being but there is reason to think there may be a massive famine there soon. As they develop they too will fall below the replacement rate (average of two children per couple reaching reproductive maturity).
Guest needs to get new info, we need marxism away from sceince. Ozone is very much repaired, and is quickly repairing still. We’ll have oil for longer than he says, burning oil makes carbon, and all of earth is carbon based and we were starting to lack it.
FUN FACT: before we could manufacture ammonia we used to collect and sell our own urine to industry. Unless you were so poor you didn’t have a pot to piss in. Thus the expression.
Regarding replicators random mutations would likely consequently drive replicators to undergo natural selection and evolution it is possible that this may make Von Neumann replicators undesirable as they quickly in terms of the scale of colonizing the galaxy mutate outside their initial design parameters as machine fauna which may undergo evolutionary bottlenecks limiting their ability to disperse to distant star systems when someone tries.
There’s definitely other life in the universe or even our own galaxy, but we won’t find them for a long time unless they are far more intelligent and advanced then we are. Signals from other planets would take 10,000s year to reach us meaning they would need that technology while we were still living in caves. Signals from life in other galaxies would need millions or even billions of years to get to us. Unless of course they are so advanced they know how to travel faster then light.
Only issue I have is.....I wish that every channel didn't cop out to a sponsor advertisement. They was never needed before and no idea why every single channel must have them now, it's very very off putting
I'm for all kind of sciences, space science as such is important to a set limit, what in practical terms this new telescope will give us as a specie ? The oceans probably holds more practical secrets then open space does. Does zero gravity on our space stations have more value then looking out into infinite space ? Just asking. :)
Mars would need an 80 Tesla magnetic field generator at Mars L1 to shield it from solar radiation and to give it a bit of a manetosphere, to begin to make it somewhat habitable. Otherwise the habs and buildings must be buried under regolith or in the side of a mountain kind of thing, with fairly limited excursions.
It would be better to have your food production in oneil cylinders and the population living on the planet. In the cylinders you"ll have a consistent climate and transportation costs of product from cylinder to planet would be a lot less than the other way around. That is if you'd even want to keep the planets in first place. I'd say break them all down abd go cylinder all the way
If we come across terrestrial exoplanets and/or sizable exomoons in the habitable zones of their parents' stars, and should their spectroscopy yield possible atmospheres, I don't see a reason why we shouldn't.
Talking about exponential galactic colonization bereft of the psychology that a technogically advanced civilization would possess in order to do so is babbling.
12:31 Grow food off planet on another planet than you live on? Hmm ... that seems completely impractical to ship food from one planet to another, don't ya think?
Like to ask if we can detect ag gas's having to do with good how easy is it to detect other man made elememts , even if the planetary system has gone through a star out gasing . Is it are ability to detect man made elememts ? Please sed info about my statement thank you very much 😀
