Can We PLEASE Have An Honest Conversation about Davros? I'm Begging You All - DOCTOR WHO DISCUSSION 

Agreed. Everything under the sun has been done with Davros at this point he's basically window dressing for a Dalek story every few years. Being able to see him pre genesis, and pre Dalek, it leaves a lot of interesting stuff one could explore with him to actually deepen his character.

mayhaps an expansion on I Davros

I remember watching classic Doctor Who for the first time and having no idea that he was in every Dalek story after his origin one.

As a fan, I don't mind a different time frame. In fact, I always pictured that period pre-Genesis as being an interesting plot point. But I think the special changed essential aspects of the character and the setting to the point I stopped caring about a reinterpretation of Terry Nation's work. He will probably still be a part of every Dalek story, but it's a more Dalek-lite period at least.

I didn't know there was enough room down the back of RTDs trousers for all them tongues. These specials might be alright but when it comes to the new series it's going to be business as usual gay,trans whatever full steam ahead this time because that was the deal he made with Disney+ was to make it more educational (adult and more sexualised.) Wait and see.

Many people who do not buy into woke crazy GB News debates , or think the BBC is amazing, appreciate nuance arguments.about these inclusion & make rational arguments against this change. I am put off by the moral certainty of RDT, just like the moral certainty people have about Brexit.People who insult or label RDT can be called out - but that doesn't make him right. The BBC did not say Russell we want a Dalek skit or revisit and change completely Genesis of the Daleks. It was his decision and could have chose something else. Perhaps something actually about the specials (i think Moffatt did the mini-episode with Paul McGann), so disappointed RTD could manage this!! So lets call out some fans who are intolerant - but appreciate this is very divisive. He could have chosen not to use Davros while showrunner or Executive Producer. We cannot unimagine or forget the Davros we have seen - Russell had no problem with this in 2008 judging by Dr Who Confidential, It is sad that there is no accountability or engagement with many reasonable fans. Also this will have implications for the Daleks, as how can a human Davros lead this creatures who have mobility issues!!

@@johnmorris2414 Fuck sake have people not learnt to stop lobbying for the people THEY think are offended when there hasn't been a peep about the state Davros is in. Fuck me he survived getting blown up, taught other Kaled surgeons and scientists how to give him some sight,hearing and showed them how to build a LIFE SUPPORT MACHINE that isn't a wheelchair because like the Daleks it hovers. Anyway Davros should be celebrated for the impressive work he utilised to stay alive, alright he created the Daleks but until the Doctor arrived with Sarah and Harry it wouldn't have gone any farther than Skaro, it was believed by Davros and of course all of Skaro that it wax the only planet capable of supporting life. It therefore was the Time Lords themselves that pushed Davros into adding the variational chromosomes that left them without pity or concious. If they'd left well alone it would have just been Skaro. And anyway what happened to the Time Lords power to place forcefield around planets and make it like they had never existed including the people who lived there? The Daleks were obviously much more dangerous than those incompetent War Games fools? But they let the loose on the universe. For christsake dont TV sets have off switches anymore? If your kids disabled and you don't want them to go all mushy because one villain in one TV show happens to resemble someone, slightly in a wheelchair just switch the TV off or over. Scottish have had nothing but bad press from the English for years but that's just friendly banter, and there are quite a lot of disabled people in Scotland....but that's alright just a bunch of sweaty socks (disabled Scots as well of course.) Do you see the can of worms that RTD has (deliberately under orders from Disney+)opened just for a bit of publicity. The skit was garbage,wasn't in the slightest bit funny,proved yet again D.Tennent is not anywhere near the best Doctor ever. And if he didn't want his little gold soapbox moment to tell all us unfeeling, racist,uncultured disabled people hating morons how to live because of course we can't differentiate between right and wrong unless Russell (and his Disney + masters) tell us what to do. By fuck its pathetic all they had to do was write a little story that didn't involve anyone getting up on their gold soapbox oh and reminding us that unless your on the telly you're not worthy but the way they're going about is all wrong because what is happening is all this virtue signalling is leaving us with TV that isn't even watchable anymore. And no I'm not saying that physically challenged or disabled people (like myself)people from different cultures backgrounds or anything like that can't act or present programmes, but it's pretty obvious that some people are being pushed aside who may have more talent than the person who got the job. For instance all that crap RTD was spouting about Ncuti being the most talented person and was the last audition blah blah. He'd just been working with bloke and he was acting as if he'd never met him before .....the truth is he'd already decided he was going to be the next Doctor, probably got a shag out of it for giving him the job. Remember he threw John Barrowman under the bus once he was getting nowhere. But another case of good looks versus real acting talent which John doesn't have IMO. But as soon as he gets his hands on Dr.Who in the very first episode it's all full of sexual innuendo which by the end of season 1 it's like a cross between the adventures of...........soft porn films from the 70s......and the Goodies. John Simm badly miscast as the Master, another bad choice but the worst of all D.Tennent as the Doctor and B.Piper well her character name doesn't matter, what acting talent did she have? Zero. As I mentioned before he should stick to his oversexed same story,different housing estate garbage that he has been writing since the early 90s. Dr Who is just not the platform for this kind of sexualised content. There are plenty of other shows that can deal with that. And I'm not a prude by any stretch of the imagination, but can't young people just get it off for an hour a week to just have a bit of escapism for a change. And I know this is going to be controversial but I think that little Lenny that presented CINEED is completely talentless unless your dealing with 4-6 year olds. Anyway it'll all come out in the wash....eventually when Disney+ have the Programme in their paws for a while. Mind you it's probably what the people of this country think makes them more like their foolish American counterparts sad sad sad.

Is it wrong to think a disabled person has the potential to do evil as much as a non disabled person? Everyone has the right to evil

The half of this conversation I haven’t seen a lot of is the fact that there too little representation and acting opportunities for disabled people. It’s not that Davros in a wheelchair is wrong, it’s that the trope exists in relative vacuum of positive representation. Until this is addressed we’re going to see a lot of awkward fixes, assumptions, and disagreements along the way. RTD is doing the best he can in this current moment.

@@SailorDisco He hasn't done his best. The best thing would be to just not include davros

I am so sorry you had to experience that!

Sometimes people are not aware that doing such thing can be seen as patronizing towards the other person. Perhaps they think they're respecting the person by trying to talk on the same level like any other person they meet but it's usually not the expected outcome when the perspective is different. When you showed embarrassment or offense by the treatment, that should've been the hint to stop. We're all human after all.

People tend to react to the difference of a person rather than the petson themselves Personally, I couldn't care less about someone's difference. I judge people by their actions

It’s hilarious, because Chibnall’s era actually wasn’t that political, at least compared to other eras. Everyone loves to throw around how ‘woke’ Chibnall was but in the nitty gritty, his stories didn’t really say much. Even in a politically loaded image of the Daleks outside No. 10, there’s no actual commentary in the episode. And if It’s A Sin and Years and Years are any indication… then, oh boy, they really aren’t ready. And by the way, this isn’t a criticism of RTD. I loved It’s A Sin and the vast majority of his work on Doctor Who, and I have yet to see Years and Years. If anything I’m more critical of Chibnall being LESS overtly political with the messaging.

I love how you lot here seem excited about that.

people who say they dont care if the evil cripple trope gives impressionable children negative attitudes towards disabled people seem to have no empathy whatsoever. I knew one woman who literally had a phobia of men in wheelchairs. it seems obvious where she got that phobia.

​@@lexruptori like how people are saying that nobody gonna thinks disabled are evil bc an evil character is disabled, but the same camp is verry concerned about if white men gonna seen as evil if all the villians are white. And also being only concerned for the heroes to be replaced. We all know in the down of our could hearts that representation in media matters

@@katokianimationit’s not even up for debate anymore how our media affects us and our viewpoints. The question is how much. Intellectually, we can know that disabled people aren’t evil, but if our only exposure to them is through characters such as Davros, than that’s still damaging to how we feel and our sympathies.

Name more than five villains that are disabled in Dr Who.....bet you'll have trouble with that. And it's got to be visible disability, like Davros or.Max Capricorn. Not a very big list is it. What about Dortmun and the other disabled good guys? Try listing them as well. You'll soon find that the good guys far outnumber the bad ones. In fact it's only when we get to the RTD era we see all the shoddy so-called writing that everything becomes more hypocritical and piss taking. How do you think people who suffer from flatulence reacted to the Slitheen? You can not please everyone as Davros says in Genesis. People will always disagree with each other and that's why we have shows like Dr.Who

@@bendream544 name more than five disables characters in general. That’s the point here. That there are so few disabled characters and the major one is one of the most evil beings in the universe.

genuinely, no one would have cared if he didn't say it

Exactly. RTD is just a performing monkey for Disney+ now and was probably told to say it to keep the publicity machine in tow. He should never have been brought back because all that crap he came out with acting as if he hundreds of people and Ncuti just happened to wow everyone with his audition. Simple fact is he fancies him,just like he fancied D.Tennent which is probably what Christopher Eccleston found out and knew that RTD was just waiting on him becoming available which obviously wasn't what he wanted to hear. I'm no prude not by a long chalk but during his last stint not 10 minutes had gone past and Rose's mother was all over Christopher Eccleston,making her look like a right tart and by the end of his stint there was Captain Jack who RTD threw under the bus to make himself look better....obviously John Barrowman said no as well. Dr.Who is a family show and when Mary Whitehouse ruled the roost he wouldn't have even got away with the Doctor kissing Rose, which is probably the reality of the situation because what would a 900 year old time traveller want with Billie Piper anyway. There is nothing in her that they would have to talk about or anything.....he should have gone back for Sarah Jane (who Davies ruined within 5 minutes having her jump about like a love sick 13 yr old.)when he finished up on Gallifrey. Fucking Billie Piper.......Nuffield said.

Same thing with the clothes! Him not having Tennant wear Jodie's outfit, created more controversy than if he just had him in the outfit! If they did that they could've had scene in the first anniversary special where the Doctor in a callback to The Christmas Invasion goes in the Tardis wardrobe and finds his old suit but similarly to the 11th Doctor in the Bells of Saint John, decides to go for a new variation of his old outfit! That would've been really cool and perfect for an anniversary special!

​@@PickyPaigeyes expecially when The master was wearing Jodie's outfit on the same episode.

Thanks for pointing out that quote! According to the transcript at chakoteya 14th's exact words were _The timelines in the canon are rupturing._ What the heck, *canon* in my understanding is the set of rules and events which are agreed upon by authors and analysed by fans for a specific show. This is not something a character would say in-universe. The 12th doctor wouldn't say the time lords changed the canon by giving me more regeneration cycles, would he? Either this is very sloppy writing or a hint RTD has the intent to 'rupture the canon' indeed. Or am I over-interpreting here, English is not my native language?

No Davros doesn't portray disabled people as evil. He is evil and megalomaniacal and it probably all started, or came to the surface when he was crippled. Fuck sake he is just a fictional character, and maybe shouldn't have been in Dr.Who CINeed sketch. But it was put there so that RTD's soapbox can get its gold makeover. In the past people would have ignored him,switched him off or just called him a fat poof and got on with there life's. All this PC has gone way too far. And there are still people who think humanity is going to be travelling out on space one day hob nobbing with aliens etc. That is never going to happen because people can't live in peace long enough on Earth for that to happen.....and they're going to re-elect Trumpet so the world's doomed anyway. You just watch him sniffle out of charge after charge because of what? Money money money.......

Or make him a full on dalek, which I would prefer over Davros just suddenly wanting to walk on two legs and has his left arm back.

@@Donnlour They’ll more or less be prosthetics or something like that, jet boosters and what else not so he isn’t pushed around anymore lol

Yes! Especially if they work on the accessibility of the TARDIS (i.e. getting in and out, and up the ramp/stairs, etc).

We are also way overdue to have a Welshman as the Doctor. We've already had three Scots, so why not?

But like, they frequently have to run away from stuff. How would that work with someone in a wheelchair?

That’s interesting. I guess she would count in the same way that someone who deliberately sawed off their legs would.

I think Cassandra is more of a satire on what happens when bodily modification in the name of vanity is taken to extremes. I'm almost certain she's heavily based on Jonathan Pryce's plastic-surgery obsessed mother in Terry Gilliam's classic film _Brazil._

@@ftumschk huh, I never thought of that connection to Brazil. I think you’re right about the satire part.

im a disabled trans person and Cassandra is one of my favourite underrated villains, I would be very peeved if RTD retconned her like davros.

But it bloody well makes more sense

Do you honestly think that us Dr Who fans are that fucking stupid we can't differentiate between fact and fiction? Oh look here comes a man on a mobile wheelchair.....oh shit run it's Davros or 1 of his evil twisted disabled mates....wwaaaahhhh. Its people like yourself that are the dumb cunts creating all this whoo ha over nothing. I've got a few disabilities myself. I grew up in children's homes full of disabled children and I can remember the big reveal of Davros and all the children loved him especially the handicapped because it didn't matter to them he wad in a motorised chair apart from the fact they didn't have one. Also the reveal wasn't spoiled by people like Mr Tardis who by the way knows virtually nowt about classic Dr.Who, also that other bunch of nobodies at Who Culture...they know absolutely nothing of genuine Dr.Who, they should all be tested on their knowledge of the programme before they're allowed to do shitty little channels like these. I bet that Australian tosser Crispy Pro(its all in the sad sad name folks)couldn't even list the Doctors in order and yet he's waffling a load of shit about a programme he virtually knows nothing about.....and nothing about the bloke gay / straight or whatever, he is just a fucking plum and is not a good spokesperson for the show he KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT.

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

Eh. Maybe that was the intention in 1975, but it’s not as if this show has ever had that rigid a canon, especially in minor details.

@@samuelbarber6177 when his anger at the universe being what kick started the time war and what we believed was the destruction of the time lord you would think that was part of a 30 year ark .

I acknowledge it's not a perfect one-to-one comparison but if you can get on board with the idea of people's perceptions being influenced by a single piece of media or a collective trend...then you can follow that train of thought to other truisms.

It's funny because another thing in that particular episode was never brought up or made a big deal of. Missy had a line of dialogue to the daleks when they refer to her as a timelord "time-lady, some of us can afford the upgrade" yet in spyfall when the doctor said "I've had a upgrade" everyone when mental. End of the day it's a Children in Need sketch. It's goal was to raise money and it did that. Its crazy how this has blown up into this debate

@@anthonyfisher-7090 I, frankly was just glad to see Davros again for the first time in 8 years. The SECOND i saw the uniform, I knew who it was and I was GLUED to the screen.

Remembrance doesn't deserve anywhere near the respect it gets. There's nearly no script left when you take it the silly premise the Doctor who hadn't even met the Daleks, all of a sudden has made this plan of stealing the Hand of Omega to wait and start a war with 2 Dalek factions (which again goes against the way the Daleks were created)the junkyard looks nowt like the original. And then you've got S McCoy whose attempts at comedy are woeful, most of the time you can't understand a word he is saying (and I Come from 16-18 miles down the road from him! As for his attempts at serious acting? It's so bloody cringeworthy it makes you embarrassed to be from his neck of the woods and as for Terry Molloy's Davros so badly written and for once by Terry a terrible performance poor guy. And those silly wobbly Daleks just made the show laughable to the point of pisstaking. Didn't anyone think that people were just going fall about laughing, except me because I was too busy crying because I knew then it was 'the final end.' It's like it hasn't come back yet because the new stuff is just all about relationships and that bullshit. There's enough soap operas on the telly already but that's what it is now a fucking stupid soap opera set sometimes in space. The Doctors immortal-no threat no menace. He is being played by the next worst Doctor - David Tennant and its being handed over again to another Scotsman(well sort of) who again has comedy written all over him. Even that one line he says at the end of the power of the Doctor is just cringeworthy and delivered terribly I think some people are going to be given the fright they didn't expect. He is no Catherine Tate and how all of a sudden people are going to see that,in fact if it weren't for her I would have switched off then,but she kept me going through it because she behaved like someone who would do being chaperoned through time and space. A couple of episodes later. It's Moffats turn and thats when the story really changes into a pile of shit. Anyway I've got to chat to the nurse again so bye for now

@@anthonyfisher-7090 exactly. Why couldn't they done another short sketch like Time Crash? They knew what they were doing alright. Pure publicity stunt. Is nobody pissed off by being lectured at as if we're all schoolkids and RTD is the holier than thou teacher. Smoke and mirrors to hide from the reality of RTD dancing on strings.....as if he's got his own Toymaker. He has Disney+ I'm telling you the shows doomed Ncuti won't last longer than 2 seasons max. Everyone saying he's the next Tom Baker ha ha ha.

@@bendream544 That's your opinion. And I'm not gonna stop you from enjoying nor vocalizing it, but at the same time, I have the polar opposite opinion (with the exception of the point about Moffat, who I think did make the show into a soap opera in space). I love Remembrance, love RTD's work, look forward to Ncuti as the doctor and adore David as 10 and 14. I'm not here to lecture you, of course not. I can see this has erked you, much the same way Quinton Reviews' review of End of Time erked me, but regardless, if we respect each others' opinions and enjoy the parts of this show we like, then we'll see less of this reactionary crud and be a better fanbase as a whole.

Now that really is silly. As I said before Davros back story makes sense if you go down that road you are doing nothing but alienating your audience. Timeless Child anyone....you're also forgetting that it was the Doctor who tricked Davros in the end. If he thought he was going to create a super Davros then that means that he basically gave his power of regeneration to him and in turn created all these Dalek Masters? A bit like the Timeless Child crap having cybermen with the power to regenerate but surely they would just regenerate back into their flesh and blood bodies because the metal and plastic parts wouldn't regenerate. So basically because they were all human before the Master regenerated them they should have all regenerated back to their human selves but only once.....because they weren't Time Lords but the Cybermen that the Master took to Gallifrey. Its bad writing all round which as Bowelstrek points out just fucks up the entire history....like dumping on William Hartnell and I don't care what anyone else says, that is unforgivable to him and all the writers who kept up with the storyline and wrote there contributions around them, until along came that obese, gay pantomime loving idiot JNT came along with Bonnie Langford and S.McCoy and it was dead..I stopped watching then because he can't act worth tuppence. I was going to mention him ruining the Hobbit as well....but that was more Jackson and his partner in crime. Despite what people say about Lord of the Rings I thought it was shit even before the credits started with the Galadriel monologue..Left the cinema 3 times before I made it to the end of the Fellowship second time when they made Bree look like it was about 2 miles down the road and missing out some of the more important parts of the story...for instance if they hadn't even met Bombadil they wouldn't have the knife that helps Eowyn defeating the Witch-king. When you have the greatest fantasy tale of all time at your disposal to work from, your script is 80% written already. They aren't real writers they're just anything fir a quick buck conmen. Big green aliens farting only works once and even then if you've got the brain of a 2 Yr old. It was all just gimmickry because the whole story fell apart because all the little 2yr old minds were waiting on the next fart and didn't watch the story. A little bit further he casts someone else who he obviously fancied as this gay superhero and then the kids were missing the storyline again because most decent minded parents would be saying "I'm not letting my kids watch this gay filth" and dragging little whoever out the room. Dr.Who is just about the Doctor on his travels around the universe saving people from monsters and maniacs. It doesn't need all that sex and other PC especially as now the stories are a lot shorter there isn't any room for that. Just look at the debacle of the Pondlife where despite the fact he isn't supposed to cross his own timeliness, he nips back and forth all the time. Statue of Liberty casually walking through New York and if the angels had that capability why would they need that trap? Oh and out of all the people in New York the angels manage to just get Rory. The whole River Song storyline was fine when she was just a mystery from somewhere in the Doctors life. But the conceited little Moffat thought could nick that story wholesale from the Time-Travellers Wife and go one better. If you're going to plagiarise something, don't do it while the inks still drying on the original. It's doomed now the Yanks have a hold of it,because it's just another money making Franchise for them RTD will slowly get pushed to the side and it'll have been invented in Yanksville and what would us dumb limey's know eh. Rings of Power another example of tramping over some of the best stories JRR Tolkien wrote and not listening to the fans,then having to lie about how great it was received by the public. I can guarantee you next thing they'll all be flying around on dragons completely missing the real malice and devillment that Melkor imbued them with. I could go on but I'd rather watch the Russian play of LotR again......see ya

@@bendream544 have you commented this for everyone who has made a similar comment to me, or are you not that mad? (and you know I'm not reading that rant)

@@nanotyrannusisnotvalid4820 no its all my own vitriol I'm 56 years of age and don't need to plagiarise from a bloody RU-vid comment. Why not read the rant? You might learn something

Yeah, how he words this is just plain odd. But this isn't the classic series where Davros is going to turn up in every Dalek story on a consecutive basis.

Trying to suggest that someone's disability has been cured is completely outrageous. It's actually more outrageous than having a vilanous disabled character

That’s not what I was getting at. I was saying that since this is the lense that Russell sees Davros now and if he were to incorporate him a future stories set after The Witches Familiar, The Doctor’s regeneration energy he gave in that story might have done that for him. I’m not giving any ableist views here if that’s what you’re thinking but I’m just thinking of how Russell would write Davros should he return. I’m genuinely sorry if my “outrageous” plot idea offended you and I’ll be willing to take back what I said. If I got your comment implications wrong, I apologise for that as well.

@@zolaya3699 I am disabled, and I really don't think that's offensive. Were it possible, I would quite like to be cured, live a normal life, y'know, go for a few long walks, live longer than 55, and I'm not going to begrudge a fictional character that.

I mean, if your gonna bring Davros back, at least change him somehow. His character has remained static since 1975.

@@zolaya3699I agree with this although scientifically we could say regeneration would "cure" some of his conditions. I would look into the pathological treatment of disability and "health" - the idea of health for a lot of people now means non disabled even if someone is born with conditions so they will never be truly "healthy" and then say not valued by society as they may not be able to fully work in a capitalist society or access different things.

Outside of Genesis of the Daleks, I feel like most of the Davros stories are only good in spite of his inclusion, rather than because of it. There’s twice in all of Doctor Who when I think his return was legitimately a good idea, and those were Revelation of the Daleks and The Stolen Earth. In all the other ones, he feels like an obligation, and I don’t really feel like he needed to come back at all after Genesis.

@@samuelbarber6177 Yeah, I can definitely see that. A lot of stories with Davros work, but they feel like they could work without him too. His role in Remembrance was important too as he was the leader of the Imperial Dalek faction, but even there it would have been possible to find other ways to have opposing Dalek factions without using Davros. Honestly he's worked better for me in several audio stories which are fundamentally built around Davros instead of being Dalek stories

It's not re-writing though. It's a prequel.

​@@MrTARDIS Yeah it's written as a prequel but if this is how we're gonna see Davros moving forward I'd rather they retire the character. Its just going to make the Canon a complete mess. Davies said his reasoning was because "we can't associate disability with being evil". its a ridiculous argument.

@@blueknight07 I think some progressives can sometimes try so hard to look like they're doing a good thing for minorities and end up shooting themselves in the foot. I know its well intentioned though

​@@MrTARDISDestination: Skaro is a Prequel (or at least set earlier in Davros's timeline than Genesis of the Daleks), but Russell's comments: "And Davros used to look like that, and he looks like this now, and that we are absolutely standing by" and "So of all the nights to make this change, I thought it was absolutely vital to do this, and I'm very, very, very proud of the fact that we have." seem to suggest that this will be the status quo for Davros going forward (at least under Davies) regardless of when the episode is set. Though obviously we should wait to see if Russell actually uses Davros again in his tenure, and how he utilizes the character before jumping to conclusions.

then his acciedent is very close. since in genesis davros 1st reveals the travel machine to the Kaleds. one way to do it is have this be an alternative universe davros. @@MrTARDIS

It makes me curious what the human race will become in the centuries of the future

I think the thing is, the internet’s new. There are people having this discussion - this video’s proof of that - but the internet prioritizes the loudest voices in a discussion

​@@SamuelBlack84Either we have a future like Ready Player One, or Wall-E.

Especially when you realise, thanks to this channel, he pops in multiple Dalek stories on a consecutive basis in the classic series to the point that the character is bordering on overused.

Very excited for the new era too, and also worried about having the only drag cast member playing a villain. I do trust in Russell that he has an answer to that aspect though which isn’t the more conservative ‘actually drag people can go screw themselves’. I feel like this whole discussion around Davros deserves to be treated with way, way more nuance. In part because it also ignores the fact the new Tardis apparently has an accessibility ramp and the upcoming specials has a new wheelchair-bound character that seemingly isn’t a villain. I think this discourse also wouldn’t be nearly as harsh if Russell wasn’t - let’s face it - trolling conservatives. Because the short itself and it’s additional context doesn’t suggest revisionism. This is a broad-strokes prequel to Genesis, this is a Children In Need short, this is not the first time we’ve seen Davros standing and this shows that Davros had turned villainous before he became disfigured and disabled.

​@@Amy-J It's nice to have an intelligent person reply to one of my comments for once haha. Yeah I agree with all of your points here. It was just something I noticed that not many people are talking about. The whole drag person villain trope is so overdone and sometimes can be a harmful similarly to the evil wheelchair user trope. I do have faith that RTD will carefully represent all these different characters in a way that isn't harmful.

@@Darth_Wallace Oh trust me, I’m relishing the intelligent discussion like finding an actual oasis in the desert 😅 As it stands, we’ve had hundreds of years of stories where anyone considered an ‘other’ has been disproportionately portrayed as villains both in and out of stories. I think there’s a few approaches RTD can take to set a positive example going forward though, I’d personally want to see a kinda ‘two sides of the same coin’ approach. People would therefore be allowed to play both sides in stories, while also being given heroes and positive role models to look up to. All the while visibly showing everyone else that evil is not something defined by - for example - being disabled or being in drag.

I think he was more afraid of having Tennant in Jodie’s outfit just because of what the tabloids what say. It might sound silly, but I think there is a real fear of some outlet like the Sun getting an image of Tennant in the woman Doctor’s outfit and using that in some kind of hit piece.

@@samuelbarber6177 Apparently (and don’t quote me on this cause I’ve only heard about it), that was actually the reason the clothes regenerate too. I’m sure someone will write some throwaway line to explain it lore-wise lol.

I really wish they would resurrect Sapphire and Steel A return to spooky and mysterious sci-fi

Funny you should say that, because, in one episode Davros got his one good hand shot off and in his next appearance he has it replaced with a robotic hand that electrocutes people.

And Chibnall in Series 3, apparently.

I don't believe him, that just seems far too ridiculous.

Uoat was so awsome at remixing and twisting classic characters

which media is this? I don't follow all of the comics and spin off media, but i get his arms in spiderman raimi films are transport but also take over his mind and he can't live without them anymore

@@Char10tti3 main 616 comics continuity

So you wanna just disregard Genesis of the Daleks?

I haven’t seen any “insane backlash”..Just people disagreeing with a decision they don’t like.

We need more Professor Xs.

I agree they go nuts over it. But they are partly right. Not just Davros, but any fictional character in general You can't take an established storyline and drastically alter it just because otherwise it's just a meaningless ball of fiction

As a Canon nut to some extent (although I sometimes will overlook or not notice things I’m not an encyclopedia on the things I enjoy) it’s all about immersion. If the main points of the story or established lore/characters gets too changed/not payed attention to (yes this is just my own personal bias of where that “line” is) all of the sudden I’m not on a whimsical adventure through time and space, I’m here thinking about reality and how “that doesn’t make sense” Escapism is the name of the game for me with my Television, Gaming and all of that. And no, as MrTardis points out this was a prequel story so my immersion wasn’t broken this time but it would seem odd if they keep the appearance for future shows set after the accident. Although again, it’s Doctor Who so if you have a good writer you can explain anything. I just hope it’s good. I’m looking forward to more from this era, had my problems with the debut episode but overall RTD is back, I can tell he’s back and I’m really looking forward to seeing the new and interesting directions him and the team can think up for us.

Sounded to me more like RTD was on the defensive, which is what happens when you have certain segments of the fandom saying he’s “woke” or he’s “preaching The Message”.

I wonder what other so-called 'progressive' philosophy will replace woke in the future? In another fifty years or a century it will be forgotten and something else will take centre stage

I also assumed as it was a Mk 3 Darlek in the skit, that it was obviously an origins setting.

Also, I'm confused about whether writers should continue to use tropes. Are they bad to use or not? Should they stop being used or not? There's not really clear answer from this