Can You DIY Service R-1234yf AC Systems?

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I think this is a question that is on the minds of a lot of new vehicle owners, especially owners that are used to servicing their own vehicles. Can you service R1234yf AC systems as a DIYer?
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@topherbec7578 5 лет назад

As a fleet manager, I had to purchase new machines, refrigerant which is four times more expensive and a recharge process that takes twice as long. Not to mention having to train my techs. Nice job EPA, keep giving it to the little guy.

@mikeb1617 4 года назад

your lucky...it means you can charge your cx four times the cost of repairs.....lmao

@eltonyancey6426 2 года назад

That's what they do best.

@jeremybroderick9465 День назад

@@mikeb1617 immediately removed the 1234yf and replaced it with 134a, 42 deg at the vents at idle been running a little 60k miles with it no problems

@ZackJenkins 3 года назад

You just answered all of the questions I had about my Honda.

@jackieliner3812 5 лет назад

Evacuate the system, let it sat for a while, see if it holds vacuum, add a little freon, check for leaks,, if no leaks are found, completely recharge the system, that’s standard procedure for all a/c systems, regardless of freon type,

@FlyEaglesFly19111 5 лет назад

You forgot pressurize with nitrogen and spray connections with soap bubbles first..then pull a vacuum(with a proper micron gauge). If no bubbles no troubles..and if vacuum pulled and sitting ( not vacuum pumump running) below 400microns then system should be tight. I pull all my systems ( cars to 300ton equipment to standing 200microns and below.

@mikeb1617 5 лет назад

Eric your spot on correct about the stack of condensers that need to be delivered to every dealership in North America. thanks for sharing this information on RU-vid for all Honda passenger vehicle drivers.

@davidcunningham00 5 лет назад

Yet another reason why I do not want a new vehicle

@evlo8059 5 лет назад

new cars don't use r1234yc, it was used for short period of time, not anymore, or at least not where I live, I know gulf spec. cars sometimes use different A/C system. But currently used AC uses co2 for "refrigerant".

@davidcunningham00 5 лет назад

@@evlo8059 Good to know

@davidcunningham00 5 лет назад

@@3rdworldgarage450 that is why you Yank that motor transmission and computer with wiring harness out and throw it away and put in something that really does work old school baby

@JJ-iw7nh 5 лет назад

I can say it's been a real challenge and quite the education dealing with the new refrigerant. Takes me almost an hour to properly charge a system now. And yes I am bouncing back and forth between 2 bays just to make time and money.

@smokeysmith1282 Год назад

Your response has peaked my curiosity here 😂 What is taking longer? 1. Fittings or hooking up the manifold hoses. 2. Vacuum process. 3. Charging (still by weight) 4. Verifying correct operation. I’m wanting to remove the refrigerant and as much oil as possible and then re-add accordingly. What say you? ThankYou

@WBatte1 5 лет назад

I trained as an automotive service technician back when R 12 was being phased out in favor of R134a. This new change seems a lot like planned obsolescence . I became an engine builder . So I have not done much work on AC systems unless it was a car I was trying to sell . My one personal project truck that I did put air conditioning on didn't come from the factory with it . So I installed a classic air system . It actually cost me about the same money to install AC as It did to make the 5.7 liter Hemi run in a 1978 dodge Powerwagon .

@bigdaddymak1439 5 лет назад

I remember when 134a came out and a can of it was uber expensive. I think the more vehicles that use it the price will come down. And I also remember all fear the manufacturers put out about how you can't do this or that or you'll ruin you a/c and it ended up being b.s. I just wonder who is behind this new refrigerant because I don't see why the need to change other than some huge Corp making huge amounts of money and making it even harder for independent shops to make it!!

@mikeh6876 5 лет назад

Just a little FYI: Iso-Butane is a better refrigerant than Propane. But, like you said, flammable. Now, consider that your A/C system is a closed loop. And, barring a catastrophic accident, will not start a fire. Unlike the movies, compressed Propane will not explode when punctured by anything. Even if a flame is present - no explosion - just a rush of flame and them - out.

@tomboxyz5564 5 лет назад

Just recently there was a car accident with a van that had the refrigerant replaced with propane, the firefighters had trouble trying to extinguish the car because of it... The fuel is the only highly flameable medium I accept to keep in my car

@mikeh6876 5 лет назад

@@tomboxyz5564 Yep - I have read stories like that and they all have been debunked. An A/C system charged with Butane will spew for about 15 seconds before stopping. If the fire Dept had a problem extinguishing the blaze, it was not the fault of the Butane

@edburns1801 5 лет назад

My 1989 truck with original R12 AC has been running for two years now on R152A (air duster). Cold as ice and $2.00 a can.

@grad0n 5 лет назад

Ed Burns haven’t heard of that trick

@Dexron3 5 лет назад

Duc Rider Thank you for all that great information but you may want to check that math at the end of your post.

@kevev 5 лет назад

Works great in r134a systems also. Lower head pressure, so easier on the whole system.

@mattmccoy2410 5 лет назад

I thought about doing that.

@philiprizek6384 5 лет назад

I knew an old AC Tech drove an old school bus around the to fix people's air conditioners use propane that air conditioner on a school bus

@indridcold8433 5 лет назад

Just change the compressor out with an R-134a compressor after the compressor goes bad. vacuum the system, fill with R-134a, and you have air conditioning. I have done this with several R-12 equipped vehicles that lost their compressors to age. I just went to the salvage yard, got a compressor used with R-134a, vacuum, and fill.

@mikeshiflett1562 5 лет назад

I bought 3 case's of r12 back in 92 when i was 17 fir no other reason but to just have it. I still have 89 mustang that uses it. And still have 30 of those cans in the garage. Now that the 1234yf is out I've started buying 134 at Wal-Mart just to have. So far I'm up to around 4 cases. It's like ammo I just keep buying it.

@combatjm89 5 лет назад

I remember having to take a test to get an "R-12 card" back in the day. Then the R-12 was so expensive I was better off converting my vehicles to R-134a. They'll probably pull the same thing with R-134a. Thanks EU...

@LarsonFamilyFarm-LLC 5 лет назад

i heard they were pulling off R12....and i went out and bought 3 cases of it....had like 72 cans of it in the early-mid 1990's. i was selling $4 cans for $10 to $20. years later.

@knurlgnar24 5 лет назад

Legal issues aside 1234yf and 134a run at nearly the same pressures (by design) and use the same lubricants (by design). You can recharge a 1234yf with 134a without issue in nearly all cases. There are some oil compatibility issues that could come up as they aren't identical chemically so it isn't zero risk but by and large the two refrigerants are interchangeable in practice, you just need to find the right fittings. And if you are worried about oil compatibility just buy some 1234yf oil and add it in. The reason 1234yf is so expensive is that certain companies in the chemical industry lobbied to get their proprietary refrigerants approved since the 134a patent expired instead of an 'open source' type of refrigerant of which there were many options. In short, yes, you can absolutely service 1234yf systems for cheap. It isn't legal, though nothing really is these days and you won't ever get prosecuted for it unless you do it commercially.

@mtsanchez27 2 года назад

I have a 2016 Honda Civic that uses 1234yf. So, can I top it off with R134a with the right fittings?

@jeffscott3919 Год назад

@@mtsanchez27 NO. You need to evacuate the system 1st, then add the R134 and oil.

@jeffscott3919 Год назад

Could not have said it better, it's dirty politics. (Dem and GOP both) Lobby to change laws after they invest in the company who makes R1234rf

@kassemadam3005 Год назад

@@mtsanchez27 You can use r134a, but like he said above, you have to vacuum out all the refrigerant and moisture before recharging with r134a.

@mtsanchez27 Год назад

@@kassemadam3005 thank you

@Crispy22 5 лет назад

interesting. i just had a customer call in asking me about this, and i had no idea what he was talking about. good to know, time to do more research

@ETCG1 5 лет назад

Happy to help. Thanks for the comment.

@citrusfarmer 5 лет назад

My main man Eric. Another one out of the ballpark.

@jayyoutube8790 5 лет назад

They keep changing the refrigerant required, keeping the cost up.

@michaelsolis9891 5 лет назад

Thought it was because of environmental damage.

@indridcold8433 5 лет назад

@@michaelsolis9891 That is what will be claimed. The R-12 of days gone by did cause ozone damage in the upper atmosphere. But the R-134a does not have that issue. Whenever govenement agencies can get away with abusing power, they will do it.

@michaelsolis9891 5 лет назад

@@indridcold8433 that's a shame...

@southernstyle8835 5 лет назад

The old R22 is expensive, the new replacement 410A is not.

@indridcold8433 5 лет назад

@@southernstyle8835 The R-134a is really affordable also.

@mattmccoy2410 5 лет назад

Love love love repairing ac systems and paint just my Favorites.

@CRAPO2011 5 лет назад

STP needs to get on this quick A/C Pro the 1234yf version :-)

@bradmironik6137 5 лет назад

Good information. As a former hvac/r tech I understand what is happening but don't agree with the epa. Eric, you are correct . Proper knowledge and training is a key when working on refrigeration systems. The auto parts stores shouldn't even sell the cans that have a hose on it. Most people have no clue what to do except for I watched a video on RU-vid.

@ridingwiththereids 5 лет назад

Thanks for this. People come into Napa all the time asking for this stuff. Yeah, we sell the 8oz cans. For $45ea. And the little valve that punctures the can for $15. But we don't offer a gauge setup. Just the whole machine for $5700 😂😂

@LarsonFamilyFarm-LLC 5 лет назад

no worries....gauge set-up will be coming from China for $11. on E-Bay soon enough.

@hugoporon2165 4 года назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@mikeb1617 4 года назад

Hey Eric, thanks for the heads up on the new refrigerant story. l recently had my 2016 Honda Civic serviced due to a faulty air conditioning blowing hot air, l was lucky enough to return my Honda to have it fixed before my factory warranty ran out this year in August. The 2016 Honda Civic's in Canada have a problem with the condenser's leaking out refrigerant, I'm looking to investigate with Honda Canada as a Goodwill gesture to extend my warranty for next summer, if in case my a/c doesn't work next summer.

@charlieshepherd7829 5 лет назад

I work for Honda. 16 Civics have huge issues with the compressors leaking. Almost 2k repair when out of pocket. The new ac machine makes repair take much longer. Great educational video about the new tech for ac.

@ETCG1 5 лет назад

Thanks for the info!

@hondofourfivetwo9347 5 лет назад

I’m remembering buying an old beater work truck looked and ran about as well as you’d think a $1K truck would (Cali vehicle so just surface rust) the one thing that really sold me on it was an ice cold R12 AC system I mean jacket on with AC full cold on a 90deg day 🤣. When it came time to sell it on to the next guy I actually sold it for more than what I put into it including original purchase price. Again ice cold AC was the big selling feature, definitely one of the few times I’ve made such a large profit from the sale of a vehicle.

@EarlSinclair97 5 лет назад

I remember the R-12 A/C in my old Ford Bronco was always super cold. You could practically hang meat in there - even on the hottest summer day! After driving for 2 hours you'd feel the way Frankie Carbone looked in Goodfellas.

@Acroposthion 5 лет назад

A friend of mine had an old FoxBody Mustang, with an A/C system like that. It could be 96 degrees and humid out - but practically SNOW inside!!!

@bryangpeterson77 4 года назад

I can almost guarantee that you could remove the R1234yf and replace it with R134a. The operating pressures and temperatures are almost identical so the metering device will be unaffected and they both use the same oil.

@kassemadam3005 Год назад

Its more of a regulation issue that these machines enforce when contamination is detected. If you do the conversion you better be okay with never taking your car to a mechanic to do work on your ac system.

@smokeysmith1282 Год назад

Wanting to chat with someone who’s actually made the change back to 134A. Anyone?

@kassemadam3005 Год назад

@@smokeysmith1282 I have done it and have ran my ac for 2 years now with no issues. Feel free to send any questions.

@ArcChain 5 лет назад

Every newfangled thing that comes out on cars these days, the longer my chevy truck is gonna stay on the road.

@HairyTheCandyMan 3 года назад

R-1234yf: *helps environment* R-134a: *screams* Freon: *screams*

@watcher206 2 месяца назад

@HairyTheCandyMan I think it's more like: Environmentalist reaction to refrigerant: 1234yf: *nods in approval* R-134a: *faints* R-12: * Runs to the nearest firearm And suck starts it.*

@ArcChain 2 месяца назад

😂😂😂@@watcher206

@jirizhanel795 5 лет назад

I replaced my whole A/C system for 450 dollar. Of course I have to learn everything about A/C system. But it was worth it.

@Newcumpas1 5 лет назад

Jiri Zhanel I did the same 6 years ago.

@mikeb1617 5 лет назад

This is the best video by Eric showing the last portion of his video regarding Honda's plagued blowing hot air A/C problems. The condenser's are faulty, they need to be replaced. l purchased a 2016 Honda Civic at Richmond Hill Honda, Ontario Canada, they still won't answer my warranty RE/RE.

@rickpalechuk4411 5 лет назад

"Whatever it is that you have that sweats" Priceless Eric, thanks for sharing, Cheers

@InsideOfMyOwnMind 5 лет назад

You now have to make room for the non-binary people and the alphabet people whenever you speak of gender on RU-vid.

@stonent 5 лет назад

One left testicle and one right double-D organ.

@nitraml4536 5 лет назад

The worst part in an automotive shop is that customers are going to freak out when they see the receipt for a a/c charge They be like why so much

@CosmicMomentumX 3 дня назад

Hey dude, thanks for mentioning hondas had issues with their ac. My aunt was saying her ac wasn't working right and she drives a 2016 civic. After about 20 minutes of research I found the bulletin for the 2016-2019 civics ac compressor shaft seal leak from Honda. Thanks again bro!

@zygi22 2 года назад

We’ll see how this new stuff will hold up in 10-15 years….I suspect leaks and thousands in repair cost will be the outcome….But don’t you know? You “saved” the environment in the process! Bravo!

@smokeysmith1282 Год назад

Off topic here, but humans can never save a planet that the Bible says that due to human sin, God is gonna destroy the planet by fire 🔥. 😂

@Guillotines_For_Globalists 5 лет назад

Our brand new R410 residential system seems to cool just as well if not better than the old R22 system. As for R134, it can get pretty icy chill in the car. I don't remember R12 so much but from what I do remember (in grandma's 1980 Oldsmobile) it was also similar!

@joshrobinson856 5 лет назад

Place I work also has a body shop. We recently got a new Rq234yf machine. Only had to use it a few times so far. Yes the big cans are pretty expensive but we didn't need any special licences to buy one.

@Viperman200221 5 лет назад

One of my Co-workers works at a stealership. He told me that it takes about an hour to evacuate a 1234yf system versus 10-15 mins for a 134a.

@jcortes3930 3 года назад

It can take about 8 seconds if you just pull one of the valves

@Viperman200221 3 года назад

@@jcortes3930 Yeah, but he likes his job and doesn't want to get fired for not going "by the book", LOL!

@sabriath 5 лет назад

I used to be a mechanic and a guy came in with a bad AC unit, another mechanic said "you can't work on that, you're not certified, I am, so pull it into my bay." (even though I knew a lot about HVAC) I then watch as he bleeds the system straight to air.......yeah, "certified" guys are very important in life, sure. I'll stick to DIY, thanks. :)

@elBusDriverKC 5 лет назад

I had to purchase a new work van (I do commercial HVAC - also have my 609). All the newer vans have 1234yf. I had to compromise and get a low mileage slightly older van that ran 134a. I want to give it another 5 - 8 years so that the price of 1234yf comes down and the equipment (gauges, recovery machines etc...) become more prevalent and therefore cheaper. Thanks for a good video on this topic.

@FlyEaglesFly19111 5 лет назад

If you have Testo or Field piece gauges it's as simple as a download to add the data into them.

@Fair9Balanced 4 года назад

DIYers you really need to pay attention to this video. I am a 609a certified DIYer/semi-professional. Have replaced many systems for my personal self and friends. R1234YF is an an entirely new game and you can get hurt or destroy your system. The presenter is correct, the cost of the refrigerant is prohibitive if you have a leak in your system. Topping your system off is not the answer.

@rickgaine3476 5 лет назад

Eric, as someone that works on cars, you should know that the 3 most important things on a vehicle are air conditioning, the radio, and the cup holder. Not much else matters.

@littlerhino2006 5 лет назад

Cruise control?

@killer2600 3 года назад

@@littlerhino2006 Depends on the owner and whether they drive long distances and/or if they even know how to operate the cruise control. But frankly, I've seen the radio break many times more than the cruise control go out. It's a pretty reliable system, up there with the cup holder I'd say.

@carlosqlv Год назад

car weight

@YZJB 5 лет назад

Woo! It *is* my birthday today! Thanks Eric

@ETCG1 5 лет назад

Happy Birthday!

@TreyCook21 5 лет назад

Happy Birthday to you!

@MrZdvy 5 лет назад

alexaescht mine too😉

@nismo2070 5 лет назад

I did a motor swap on a 2014 Charger last week. I was going to pull the freon and remove some A/C parts to make the job easier until I saw the funky fittings. I was kind of surprised to see R1234yf in a five year old car. I ended up working around it instead.....

@Got2gofishin 4 года назад

You do some pretty cool videos Eric. I own a couple shops in Arizona, Sedona to be exact. I have used several of your videos to help train some of my younger techs. I wish I could find a tech like you. (Wanna relocate to Sedona AZ?) Keep up the great videos.

@ETCG1 4 года назад

Thanks for the invite! You're right, good help is getting harder to find these days it seems. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TydU5aho4yo.html

@JustinDowDIYcentralhighway 5 лет назад

Great Video Topic Eric. I Agree AC should be looked at by a professional rather than topping off the system and hoping for the best. There’s a reason why it’s not working correctly and mostly from what I’ve seen this hot season is leaks more so than electrical.

@ETCG1 5 лет назад

I totally agree.

@TJC450 5 лет назад

Justin Dow I topped mine off and hoped for the best lol

@Andy47357 5 лет назад

i enjoy watching the idiots put the can on the high pressure line and explode the bottle next to their head!

@evlo8059 5 лет назад

@@Andy47357 what?

@paulmelah8667 5 лет назад

I agree but some of us DIYers can work on the ac. I work on my own cars. But then again only some of us DIYers have the knowledge and experience (2 yrs at an ASE cert ac shop)

@copperlocks1 5 лет назад

LOL!! just reverse retrofit to Propane{R290a) or IsoButane (R600a);I am sure there is more explosive energy in a tank of regular gas than a few ounces of propane; use nylog on all O-rings and valve fittings to prevent leaks; the amount to fill the system is less than R12 ;R134a. Which politician mandated this change?

@Luckingsworth 5 лет назад

California no doubt

@SmittySmithsonite 5 лет назад

I had a TXV system charged with propane, and it blew ice cubes! 33°F vent temps @ 95°F ambient and 75% humidity down South. It worked fantastic in that system, but on a regular orifice tube system, the head pressures got WAY too high for me to be comfortable. My 2 older vehicles were all restored using R12 - one was reverse-retrofitted. Shhhh, don't tell anyone. 😁 Both blow ice cubes up here in the humid Northeast all summer long. Low 40's when rolling, and no higher than 55°F stuck in traffic. I use Nylon on everything - that stuff is fantastic. Liquid snot, lol. 👍

@Andy47357 5 лет назад

have a r12 system that blew 34 in 100 but got retrofitted for r134 and blew 40 at 100. remove the heater core lines in the summer and the ac blows 28 in 100 weather

@fakiirification 5 лет назад

probably one of those retarded ass communist democrats. #MAGA

@picklerix6162 5 лет назад

@@SmittySmithsonite - I just bought a bottle of that Nylog. I hear that it's great stuff.

@MrEyad1990 5 лет назад

More eric please . Keep it coming .

@iand6078 5 лет назад

Yep, ive DIY topped up several 134a AC systems and crossed my fingers. Its a pretty cheap diagnostic tool and most of the time it has fixed it. It didnt work in my Honda (dead compressor), another car lost AC pressure over a few weeks so i left it empty, but had always intended to get a professional to fix it.

@wobblysauce 5 лет назад

Stuff with the leak stop is all most need... if it can't, you have other problems anyway.

@caddyguy5369 5 лет назад

wobbly sauce The problem with stop leak is after that you most likely won't be able to get the a/c professionally serviced in the future if need be. At least not without a lot of expense.

@ETCG1 5 лет назад

I'm not a fan of this type of diagnosis.

@iand6078 5 лет назад

@@ETCG1 its not great if it just leaks again, especially for the environment, i'll give you that, but sometimes an amatuers gotta work with what he's got.

@ETCG1 5 лет назад

@@iand6078 Well, you have the article I linked in the description full of free information on how to diagnose and repair an AC system properly.

@justindr2 5 лет назад

The jug of 1234yf is 1000$ per jug. The good part is that the RobinAir system for the new refrigerant is that when you recover it tests it for contamination

@frankrodriguez7468 4 года назад

Finally a Great video....great explanation of the AC repairs.

@jayx.6813 2 года назад

Great information in this video, thanks. (I’m still gonna try to top it off!)

@2010challengerRT 5 лет назад

R-1234yf isn't just a Honda problem either. In the FCA world we are seeing it leak out, a lot. Suction line seals, expansion valve seals, condenser and receiver drier plugs, etc. are now common repairs, which wasn't the case when these same models ran R-134a. Friend of mine at a GM dealer tells me the same thing. For whatever reason, R-1234yf has a way of escaping past any little seal or o-ring that it can. I don't think it was tested well enough before it came to new vehicles. Considering the stupid high cost of this stuff, don't be surprised to see a lot of contaminated AC systems as these vehicles come off warranty and people try backyard repairs.

@punker4Real 5 лет назад

a back yard repair is putting in a old 134a system in to the newer suv

@carlosqlv Год назад

"backyard" your in the wrong space bud

@freakyflow 5 лет назад

I have a 05 Blazer I own hand tools and a 20 gal compressor Airtools from A to Z Done a full paint job right down to wetsand and polish replaced a heater core Done a proper 2.5 lift kit Full brakes and lines Fuel lines etc etc Only thing i have never done is a A/C unit If i had a few bucks and didn't bother to read my Haynes manual or look online for the most info on doing DIY my first guess would be grabbing refridgerant with dye But knowing the Truck is 15 years old Really I need to break down everything that would be common and go from there

@isaacmoore3285 4 года назад

They did extend the warranty on some of those Hondas. 1234yf is pretty much the biggest pain in my ass to service. The purity check, the vacuum test, the pressure test, the half charge pressure test, the vacuum cycle again, the 3/4 charge pressure test and the full charge if the system passes all the tests. Roughly about 20-30 minutes in a good scenario.

@Dinger154 5 лет назад

Someone told me that R134a works just fine in the new systems. He just bought the new connectors for 10 bucks that are different to the old ones and regassed his car and it works 100%.

@fakiirification 5 лет назад

yeah, change the connectors, flush the lines to get all the oil out, and recharge with the proper oil for the compressor when running 134, and you should be good to go. just dont take it to the dealer for service or they will freak out. lmao

@tractyzadorozny2972 5 лет назад

I work for a all makes shop and we were the first non dealer to get r1234yf recovery machine and this new refrigerant is very difficult to work with you can have a low charge and pressures look normal and in canada the 10lb bottle shop cost is 800 canadian pesos

@ETCG1 5 лет назад

Thank you for that info.

@coldfinger459sub0 5 лет назад

Tracty Zadorozny you’re lucky it’s so cheap now when I first started buying 10 pound containers they were well over $1500. $800 is almost half price

@scrappyny7432 5 лет назад

Yea the temptation to convert to propane is growing. Boooom!

@AntonioClaudioMichael 5 лет назад

Great topic Eric

@KENARDO 5 лет назад

It's 1993 all over again. All of these problems faced shops and DIYers when we changed over from R-12 to R-134a. It'll be a few years of difficulty and growing pains for HFO-1234yf, but the market will catch up. It did last time.

@ETCG1 5 лет назад

I agree, but it's the service time of R1234yf that wasn't a part of the last evolution. The only thing that changed last time was the refrigerant.

@coldfinger459sub0 5 лет назад

KENARDO they’re already looking into phase out what is being called the new refrigerant R1234YF it is just a temporary of refrigerant just like R134 They found out this new refrigerant when exposed to the atmosphere rain and sun makes a plant growth hormone inhibitor

@AntonioClaudioMichael 5 лет назад

Great video Eric

@kathyporter1718 5 лет назад

I like how your video popped up right after my car AC crapped out

@gregorykusiak5424 5 лет назад

Kathy Porter google is listening to you. All the alphabet companies are. And more beyond those as well. Turn your phone off- fully power it down- when you’re not using it.

@davidostring803 4 года назад

Thanks for the warning!

@TimTurner115 5 лет назад

Thank you sir that is wonderful information

@jayyoutube8790 5 лет назад

I have a 89 and 92 civic that both have factory AC and still work. Wife had a 2010 Mazda that’s been trouble free as well

@andrewbutton5580 5 лет назад

Me too

@thinman8621 4 года назад

Good info. Thanks!

@comput3rman77 5 лет назад

Eric, you mentioned that it was $34 for the 8oz canister, but didn't mention how much the 10lb was in comparison (even though you do have to be 609 certified to buy it). I just did a quick look and saw anywhere between $700 and $1800. So even if you have your AC serviced by a professional, it will still cost an arm and a leg to have it serviced compared to R134 A.

@jims.3987 6 месяцев назад

Shit I saw one for $2400 and this is 4 years later. lol

@ariesr4883 5 лет назад

Found this out too when my sister 2017 civic ac freon was low. Then tried to see if I can "fill" it then saw the price and said "is it still under warranty?" Lol when I typed this u just said it about the Hondas lol 5:34

@nickstej 4 года назад

Great video, especially relevant to newer Honda owners with the new R-1234yf system. I'm currently leasing a 2017 Civic Sport 1.5L turbo with dead AC. I took it slightly past the 36K warranty when the AC started to fade. They told me at Venice Honda (FL) that the compressor had gone bad, but I would have to pay ~$1700 to replace the condenser (or vice versa, sorry) or they could not fix either. One part was on a recall, but the other was out of warranty range, so I was out of luck. Honda owns the car, but still refuses to fix it. It's a great car otherwise and I was definitely going to buy it after the lease expired, but just have to walk away. It was a nice break not having to turn a wrench for a few years, but it's back to an old truck for me. What a shame, hope this helps.

@edmondlau511 2 года назад

What did you end up doing with the car?

@nickstej 2 года назад

@@edmondlau511 Funny enough, a can of AC stop leak fixed the problem, at least temporarily. I can't recall the brand, but it was a complete success on the cheap. I'd gone way over on mileage by lease end, so I got stuck trading it in for a new lease to avoid fees. The 2020 Honda CRV has been perfect, though in hindsight I should have gone with AWD. One more year and I'll finally be back in a fun V8 truck.

@edmondlau511 2 года назад

@@nickstej my 2018 Civic is fun to me coming from a 2003 Civic. 😂 With these crazy gas prices, I’m glad I went with a Civic.

@edmondlau511 2 года назад

@@nickstej I ended up putting a can of 1234yf in on Sunday and it's held up over a 600 road trip from central to west Texas in some hot temperatures. Hope it can hold for a few months at a time.

@nickstej 2 года назад

@@edmondlau511 That's great news, glad it worked for you. The AC charge on my Civic lasted about a year and was still blowing cold air when I turned it in. Here's hoping you have the same luck.

@npsit1 5 лет назад

Ugh. Goverment regulations. "Let's make this new refrigerant difficult to obtain by most people and super expesive! Yeah!"

@willyck948 5 лет назад

I did have 97 Buick with over 260,000 miles had week or no ac depending on the day. Looked over the accumulater and lines for condensation to see if anything was cold, only the lines were cold. Being a high milage car I gave it a shot couldn't hurt to try and it did help for 2 seasons then got week again wasn't worth dumping anymore cash into it. My take away is if it's not blowing cold air there's usually a reason and if your going to fix it minus well do the entire system so it covered under warrenty. Here's a rant for you Have you played any warrenty games😅 Buy cheap without warrenty and it doesn't last. Buy better quality and it to doesn't last either. Spin the wheel and try your luck see how long you can go on a cheap buck😅

@JT-rk8ix Год назад

I can attest to the Honda 1234yf system. I personally owned a 2017 civic EX off the floor with 0 miles, and the ac system was out of refrigerant after 20k miles with no apparent leak after testing. Even a two day follow up with dye revealed no leaks. The most bizarre thing man… both me and the technician were stumped. Never had a problem since, and it’s pushing 100k miles.

@TheDrunkardHu 5 лет назад

Guess I just won't buy a new car... That simple.

@TreyCook21 5 лет назад

Same here

@Andy47357 5 лет назад

better stock up on r134 then because it’s going to end up like r12 did. you got to go to mexico for the propane mixed r12

@TheDrunkardHu 5 лет назад

@@Andy47357 If there continues to be a market for it, it will continue to be made. Plain and simple.

@evlo8059 5 лет назад

@copperlocks1 5 лет назад

@@evlo8059 R744 aka CO2 is used ;just a higher pressure system;so all the componentes have to be re engineered

@collinsands3982 Год назад

I’m an HBAC tech and you can put 130 for a back in the system if you don’t wanna use 1234YF it’s the same oil

@Darksyne 5 лет назад

Here in Canada a 10LB tank of 1234yf costs nearly $1300! Meanwhile a 30lb 134A tank doesn't even cost $200. Personally I'd avoid any new car that uses 1234yf until the prices comes down.

@ETCG1 5 лет назад

Even when refrigerant prices do come down, it still takes significantly longer to service a 1234yf system which will increase the labor cost of service.

@Darksyne 5 лет назад

@@ETCG1 Sounds like another Dupont conspiracy, just introduce another gas once their previous patent expires just to increase profits while saying it's environmentally "safer" lol

@averyalexander2303 4 года назад

Manufacturers don't want people to know this, but 134a is actually a slightly better performing refrigerant and is compatible with the oils used with 1234YF, so you CAN have the system recovered and recharge it with 134a. My buddy did that on his Jeep after the condenser failed and leaked all the expensive 1234YF out. He said the system works better than new, it cools off faster and gets colder at idle. Presuming the conversion is done properly, the compressor should last longer too since 134a carries oil better than 1234YF. However, converting from 1234YF to 134a is probably illegal and can cause contamination issues if someone works on the system without knowing that it has been converted, so I can't recommend that people do this. If you choose to convert to 134a anyways, please clearly label the system as being converted to save the next person who services it the headache.

@billrimmer5596 5 лет назад

Good job!! Thank u!

@rwdplz1 5 лет назад

Everybody wants a quick, easy answer for A/C repair. If you tell them you need a manifold gauge set with the low and high side readings and ambient air temperature to start, they're very disappointed there's actual work involved and not just add a little refrigerant.

@ETCG1 5 лет назад

Truth.

@chasmarischen4459 Год назад

Good video. Thanks.

@jakleo337 5 лет назад

1234 YF. Does the YF stand for 'Yellow Flame' or ' Your Fucked' ?

@daveybernard1056 5 лет назад

At 100USD/lb, I think we know the answer.

@WBatte1 5 лет назад

The answer to this question is on the floor. You will need to bend over to read it .

@obviouslytwo4u 5 лет назад

Don't you mean you're fucked???? Dummy

@marshalllhiepler 5 лет назад

Jamie Carter, Guess its settled then. YF stands for "You Fool".

@StumpyVanLife 5 лет назад

@@obviouslytwo4u I can't stand people who think they are a sworn officer of the grammar police.

@rogermurph101 5 лет назад

I remember when r134a came out. It was impossible to get in auto parts stores and was stupid expensive if anybody did carry it. And now it’s not. Same thing here.

@coldfinger459sub0 5 лет назад

rogermurph101 I remember the switchover when I bought my first 30 pound jug of our 134 back in 1990is about $300 and that would be equivalent to about $1000 plus now

@1ManWrenching 5 лет назад

I’ve used propane based refrigerants in many of my cars. Works really well.

@nokoolaid 5 лет назад

Propane for AC is popular in Mexico.

@punker4Real 5 лет назад

yes gas fired fridge?

@moeshouse575 5 лет назад

i knew a guy that had a shop. his buddy had a shop less than 100 ft away. but the EPA made both shops have there own machines.

@eltonyancey6426 2 года назад

Probably got a kick back from the company that made the machines.Big government ,rotten .

@allensmith8953 5 лет назад

Thanks Eric

@georgebonney90 5 лет назад

Thank u etcg1👍

@person12307 5 лет назад

Eric r290 propane is being used in some small display refrigerators

@mariesepich7557 4 года назад

I've really enjoyed these clips... and couldn't have made it this far through automotive training without you! Question: Why are some refrigerants added to the high side and some to the low side? How do you add blends (high or low?)

@shotguncamaro1214 2 года назад

UNLESS you have a machine that can do that, YOU NEVER, NEVER, NEVER add anything to the high side with it running. You could possibly get hurt very bad doing that.

@joeshmoe781 5 лет назад

So let me get this straight 1234yf is flammable, as is propane, as is R-12 with an oil charge. But you are somehow afraid of twelve ounces of propane but you are not afraid of 16 gallons of gasoline. Thanks, I'll use propane and stay cool.

@cpufreak101 5 лет назад

The main concern is with a front end impact. Fuel thanks are built to handle a bit of an impact, wheras an A/C condenser isn't so much

@crxsleeper18 5 лет назад

Well dang. Cant service the old either. Love my r12 😃🤣

@redbonetony22 Год назад

so, make sure you have the tools, the money, and be on your game. UV dye and add oil, vacuum the crap out of the system, hold, test for leaks, small charge, check for leaks, and complete the charge, make sure you take your time and balance the system. got it. and yes, every thing about r1234 you're screwed (YF) is expensive including my new rates.

@makerofmanythings8447 3 года назад

My 2014 jeep grand cherokee is making sounds like it's on a respirator when the A/C is running. If I turn the A/C off and just use the blower fan the sound goes away. Have you heard of this before. Thank you very much for making this video.

@cgrscott 5 лет назад

I have been lucky in a freaky sort of way. I have 335k on my 2001 Odyssey and I'm still using my original Honda AC compressor and it is still working. I'm still on my original Honda Alternator as well. I was thinking of making my next vehicle a late model Toyota Sienna. The Dodge and Honda products of recent years have not had long lasting AC compressors.

@saleem83 5 лет назад

cgrscott you probably don’t live in Phoenix Arizona

@redmesa2975 5 лет назад

Old refrigerators used to operate on propane. My uncle had one at his mountain cabin, growing up. No electricity required.

@5Dale65 3 года назад

I have a portable AC running on propane (the R290) and it works extremelly well. Using just 700W it can easily cool a 20 square meter room. The device holds just 150 grams of the R290 to work. And for the last - it's just propane, if it vents to the atmosphere nothing bad happens. You can buy cans with R290 with no problem, however the R1234yf is not available for everybody in the EU. You have to be a qualified technician with all the certificates and stuff.

@sirtokesalot47 5 лет назад

ive been using r152a in my cars for a bit now and it performs very well get ice cold a/c and there's hardly any noticeable power consumption using it as there was with r134a. yes its air duster. i dont know if it would work with r1234yf but it works great in r134a and r12 systems

@CRAPO2011 5 лет назад

I believe you those air duster cans get ice cold

@SmittySmithsonite 5 лет назад

We will soon find out! People aren't going to pay for 1234YF, so they WILL find alternatives.

@NETWizzJbirk 3 года назад

… and it’s legal to vent because it’s a propellant. Ironically, you can buy fellows cans of air duster with 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane also known as HFC-134a. Perfectly legal to vent as a propellant not as a refrigerant

@Max-kj1xb 5 лет назад

Best info I have found yet for DIY 1234YF freon recharge for my 2014 Cherokee; but I was hoping you would show it being done. Is it the same procedure as the R134 recharge?

@bronzechicken4437 5 лет назад

I don't think it'll be long before there'll be a easy retrofit for this, it's my understanding that this is explosive.

@kakeru123 3 года назад

The dealer can do leak check, condenser replacement and refill yf 1234 in about an hour.

@mike201488 5 лет назад

Bought a new 134a vacuum and guage set from harbor freight, 1234yf can tap and a few adapters and did the ac on our 18 focus after a collision. It can be done but boooyyyyy was it a headache. Anything to do with 1234yf has left hand threads. Good luck.

@dieselscience 5 лет назад

Did Harbor Freight (horror freight) have the adapters?

@mike201488 5 лет назад

@@dieselscience no. Can tap for 1234yf came from advanced auto parts as did the coolant. I found the adapters online as well as qd couplers as they are different as well

@dieselscience 5 лет назад

@@mike201488 thanks...

@Chaddz3 5 лет назад

If I were you, since you had to replace most of the AC stuff anyway due to collision damage, I would have ordered the AC parts for a 15-17 focus which still used 134a. My guess is the compressor, condensor, evaporator, lines, etc are the same, but the pressure switches and TX Valve are different. just simply replace those with the R134a versions from a 2015-17 Focus and recharge the system using the 2015-17 R134a specs... I have a 2018 Focus ST that once the AC dies in it, will be swapped back to 134a.

@jaredstrehlein5605 5 лет назад

Cool As a DIYer I would have more confidence in pulling my engine, and rebuilding said engine myself instead of messing around with my car's A/C. Besides in the Northeast we kinda can live without A/C.

@fakiirification 5 лет назад

you have been brainwashed by the global warming conspiracy. AC work is extremely simple, as it is a very simple system with only a few parts to do any work. r134a is the same shit they sell in canned air and air horns. Dont be scared of it.

@catpagan4925 3 года назад

After an accident, my AC was blowing hot air. Took it to Chevy and they told me I needed freon. (Easy fix, right? Wrong) they were charging me $1200.00 to replace the freon on my 2020 traverse because it uses the R-1234yf. I been riding with the windows down ever since!

@austinboguess3301 5 лет назад

todays actually my grandads birthday and tomorrow is my birthday. i was hoping that your wouldpost a video on july 2nd,my bday, but i guess its close enough. thanks for all the good content.