Don't Buy Cars that Use this New Type of Refrigerant in the AC System 

Scotty Kilmer - Thanks Scotty for this information!!! I guess I better stock up on -R-134. Before they stop selling it - Huh

hi scotty what do you think of the BMW 330i 06 N52 model? bimmers are known to have many issues but I've read and heard this particular model and year is actually pretty solid

Scotty Kilmer Scotty could you kindly send us a link to view the list of cars that use the new refrigerant. Thanks

Three grand for refrigerant God help us here in FL.

I understand just don't buy new cars.

I don't see no offense, just plain truth!

Isaac D. Because people get offended about absolutely anything these days.

He's wrong though regarding the refrigerants R-1234a has a whooping GWP of 1400. Carbon dioxide has a GWP of 1 for instance. That's a concern even in cars where it requires a small amount of gas. The issue he appears to have is the costs for the most part, and that's due to patents, for the most part . R-1234yf is "mildly flammable" and most things are "mildly flammable". Even steel wool is flammable German manufacturers within the EU, didn't say the same thing as the same German manufacturers in the US Every single time you regas your AC, your gas has already leaked. Granted that's every 5-10 years or so in the UK but in the US it's probably a lot earlier in sunnier areas . That's a concern especially as developing countries... develop, especially in India and China

@@Tenkaichibudokai22 no offence either

LMAO I'M WITH YA BROTHER, ALSO MY DOBES CAN STICK THEIR HEADS OUT THE WINDOWS.

Brian Ross ur Comment the best

"I use RD2W70 in my vehicles, (Roll down 2 windows and drive 70mph)." But what do you do in a school zone? Yeah, I know RD4w20 right? LOL!!!

worked well for me for years

I use the same stuff in my truck👍🏼

Cody'sBLab R1234yf is propane

commercial systems have been using propane or ammonia for 100 years.

Cody...propane has been available for years. DURACOOL is a brand that I have in my car: larger molecules (less phantom leaks), lower head pressures required (saving wear/tear on compressor), and COLD as HELL. It also costs the same as R134a

Actually propane (R-290) is an EXCELLENT refrigerant. To be honest, I think the fire risk from a 20 oz. charge of propane isn't as bad as people think. If it was, there's no way insurers would allow propane-powered forklifts (with their 40 POUND tanks) to be operated within the warehouses they insure!

No, R 1234yf is tetrafluoropropylene, not propane. Propane is a simple alkane, r1234yf is a fluoro alkene...that double bond is why it breaks down so readily and quickly in the upper troposphere/lower stratosphere (oxidation by OH radical). Propane is MUCH less reactive than its propylene cousin. Both, however, are quite flammable, it's just that the ignition energy and autoignition temperature for R-1234yf is substantially higher (but still not at all what I'd call safe).

Love u scotty

Its a nice old car

Okay, but I can get an older used Toyota Sienna right? I have a lot of friends!

Or TOYOTA COROLLA

CLE -CHI If I was small enough, I'd get a Corolla! But I'm basically a telephone pole, so I'm too tall for a car that small!

MTB Addict liberals

exactly lol

They think if they ignore bigger problems long enough, they'll go away.

It's not their nose in it it's their hands in it.$$$$$$$$$

guess what... the government isn't the reason for the problem. it's the company that produces that stuff to make more $ and force it to become law with their lobbyists (hi Honeywell). you can get a mixture of propane and butane to cool at the same level as current refrigerants do and it would cost you just a tiny fraction of what r1234yf costs (look at Australia eg). but hey that won't make those $hark chairman and stockholders happy.

I must express my doubts, as a lot of companies, especially startups, will pitch a project that is in the works as being universally good. (Solar roadways, vacuum sealed transits, etc.) That said, I can definitely believe a larger company will devour a smaller one that has a better product if the opportunity appears. I would expect them to have taken strides to get their hands on the X-12 though. Usually those larger ones will buy out the small ones, easily for just one product they want to capture.

@PhazonMetroid22 There are a few amazing products lost to history, IE starlight, basically a near magic insulation a home-grown inventor made and took to the grave with him. I would love to see some in depth journalism in this supposed X-12. Whether the company intentionally took it to the grave with them to keep DuPont from getting it, if it was real. Or if DuPont got the formula and found other issues that made it non-viable. A lot more Citation from OP would be nice.

Blah blah blah no links, no real information other than what the OP made up. "Don't believe everything you read on the internet kids" - Abraham Lincoln 1862

That's not my memory of what happened. I think that X-12 stuff was a highly FLAMMABLE hydrocarbon based aftermarket product. I had an '84 Chevy Citation II that took R12, wanted to know if it was a good idea to use hydrocarbon replacements. Old car systems were never designed with a flammable gas in mind, so in the worst case, such replacements could be catastrophic and lethal. I didn't find an example of a passenger car death, but I did find some guy who had the front of his Porsche burst into flames at a swap meet. Fortunately he wasn't in the car when it happened. Also found a transit bus down in Paraguay I think, that did a hydrocarbon replacement they shouldn't have. 18 people died in the fire. Scotty is right to be concerned about using FLAMMABLE stuff in a vehicle. At least if the system is designed for something flammable, you have a lot better odds than a system that WASN'T, which was the problem with X-12 and similar aftermarket hydrocarbon products.

@@phazonmetroidsrule22 But with a name like X-12, just makes for easy claim of infringement or material harm or something like that to the producers of R-12

john doe Don't ask for a bj right after she just ate an ice cream cone..

Anon Ymous im 50. Been there done that

john doe I'm just guessing as to why she blows cold

Alice Cooper comes to mind... (Cold Ethyl for the younger audience)

XX

Update! I just Googled it! Chemours holds the patent for the new r1234yf refrigerant! What was Chemours former name? DUPONT!!!!!

Shepperd November Well, well...cats out of the bag. I hope other people find out.

I'm pretty sure the God given Marijuana plant was made illegal by DuPont.

Shepperd November you nailed the situation perfectly!

Twiggy the lizard They don't care!

You can buy an old car with an AC system but when you go to have it recharged you're not gonna find our 12 anymore you're still gonna have to use the 134 a or some day new

For poor people.

@@LivingLifeSlower Im pretty comfortable that most people I know and I drive an older car.

R 12 is 1200 for 30 pounds if you can get it

@@LivingLifeSlower I have the cash to buy a new car right now, but nothing's been made in the last 30+ years I'd even consider paying a new car price for. Better to find the car you like most regardless of year of manufacture, and then invest in it to bring it up to a better state of repair as needed. I mean really, besides something like a Ferrari or something else exotic, everything made today is ugly and of lesser quality in design compared to cars made decades ago.

Amen

Best RU-vid mechanic hands down.

Scotty's videos like this one are great but I wish there was a way to really reach the masses on subjects like this. Most people buying a new car will be oblivious and go along with whatever BS the salesman feeds them

1234yf is actually even more of a pollutant than CO2. So not sure what the reasoning is...

David Laurie exactly....easy to find leaks. No more dangerous uv paint that is known to make midget raindeers sterile!

MattExzy : The reasoning, or more simply put, the reason behind it, is simply money.

Makes your ac blow cooler then ever -100c

Kleanor Koufogiorgas "Or turn you into Spiderman, and who wouldn't want to be Spiderman?" -R666 defenders

Leonard Smith yep, agreed, that's all it is to our U.S government. All they do is wonder and come up with ideas to line their pockets even more with our hard earned money, and that's all it is to them, money money money.

it's called Capitalism . when I lived in Iraq ? it was against the law for any Government agent to buy any shares from any Private company , but if you owned a private company ? and you become an agent for government ? you could not be part of any voting or meeting that involved same type of product or category your company was based on . ( it Was ) I don't think in Iraq now that constitution apply . we have bunch of wasted skins running the country now and looting is free for all thieves . sad but true .

Yep. This Republican government is screwing us blind. And it's going to get worse.

Sorry, nice try. This happened under Obama's EPA. It was done unilaterally, without congressional input.

@Anon Corruption is an equal opportunity endeavor for both parties. This legislation occurred under Obama.

It's not like R134a wasn't flammable. Any hydrocarbon molecule is igniteable somewhere. Oh and R134a also decomposes to hydrofluoride (HF), which is a very dangerous gas. It will cause heartbeat irregularities and combined with Adrenaline (often given to people with heartbeat irregularities) it will stop the heartbeat completely. HF burns are also not fun as it reacts with the sweat on your skin to hydrofluoric acid, which will cause severe burns that will only start to show up and hurt a couple of hours later.

Username 1991 it doesn’t burn like wood does, no. But it does chemically decompose in a reaction with oxygen. It’s basically burning without a flame. And the fumes produced are highly toxic. We are, in no circumstances, allowed to do A/C work when someone is welding in the garage because of the hazard.

Username 1991 alright I guess “flammable” and “chemically decomposable” are seen as different things. You’re right that it won’t combust at all. But it will decompose to hydrogen-fluoride which is, again, highly toxic and can be fatal. It cannot decompose to phosgene gas as there’s no chloride in R134a.

Not worried about the 65 litres of fuel you are driving around with?

Population control

Oceanjal lol @ ur sarcasm!

Yawn

Oceanjal. Rolling on the floor, LAUGHING my ass off!!!😁😁😁

Hahaha dangggg good one

COMMENT OFF THE YEAR

John Thornton somebody has to make money from this

John Thornton you would be correct!

Is it Dupont that holds the patent?

@@ctscantechnologist on the old and the new according to another commenter.

Jonny DIY Only if you got a newer car that requires it

I'll store it next to the incandescent light bulbs and 3.5GPF toilets nobody wants. Or I'll just keep my Toyotas like Scotty. Hard to believe I bought my camry when I was 26 and now I'm 42 still driving it. Quite an improvement from my Fix-Or-Repair-Daily

you can still buy r22 is just like 200/jug and thats in california

BigNastyreborn if you can get r22 for 200 a jug, you better buy much as you can and hold on to it. I’m in SC and was looking at it last week. $550 a jug here. Even at that price it’s worth it when it was close to $1000 a year or so ago.

do you do hvac or refer?

That's the plan, 8 years and their done. They are making them so complex the shade tree mechanic will find it harder and harder to repair his own. The end game is dealer only service......I'll keep my old girls as long as possible thank you automobile manufactures, don't need your new junk.

New head lights? If you are talking about the fact they have to be plastic and not glass, that's because the glass ones were very dangerous to pedestrians, other motorists and yourself when you crashed. and they always left lots of glass on the road even is small accidents that would either need to have money spent to clean up, or hurt people walking as it gets spread around, also putting holes in tires. So plastic ones are much much safer, also the car companies don't mind, its cheaper and easier to make, also glass is really hard to make into nice shapes, especially when you want a particular size and finish, it shrinks a lot during cooling.

Banning pop up headlights is still the greatest atrocity in human history.

So your argument is that they aren't safer because people don't crash... look up some crash statics... and small crashes.. ones where only a front bumper and head lights are damaged don't have to be reported... so the number would be even greater! Well my last set of bulbs cost $14... Not really the $50 you are talking about, and they used to be square because it was too hard to make them into cool looking, aerodynamic effective shapes when they were made of glass. Not to mention when you get hit by a square you are way more likely to die... Yep, they turn yellow after a little while but its pretty cheap and easy to repair the yellowing... there are many methods from sand paper to simple buffing and plenty of products to help keep them from yellowing... So yeah they have some draw backs, don't last as long, more prone to scratching. But there are some pretty massive benefits, safer, don't leave glass everywhere, cheaper, can be made into more rounded shapes to be more aerodynamic meaning a faster cars that uses less fuel. Also bulbs are completely different, they are all built to last longer and provide more light in a way that helps both the driver and on coming traffic, not to mention people use the, what people will pay, method of pricing things, meaning if you will pay $50 for the lights then they will charge you $50... check ebay, sellers list the same item at a great number of prices often from $15 to $200 cause if someone is willing to pay $200 then they are happy to sell it at that amount. Also you can't just compare prices... breed is more expensive its called inflation everything gets a bit more expensive over time. Also in the us alone in 2015 there were 5376 people killed by cars... who weren't in cars 5376 people were hit and killed by cars in the us alone... Now that's only people who were killed, it doesn't include any one who was injured! 70,000 people were estimated to be hit. the total cost of pedestrian injury among children ages 14 and younger is $5.2 billion per year... 5.2 billion a year, that would be a nice amount to shave off the debt don't you think... If we all drove cars with glass headlights that were box shapes I bet that number would be closer to half, so the pedestrian road death toll would go from 5000 to 35,000 meaning those crappy headlights are saving around 30,000 lives in the us alone! IF ALL YOU HAVE IS THAT CRASHES DON'T HAPPEN, PLEASE DON'T comment!

Aha I have a 1990 celica so I have pop up head lights... STILL LIVING THE DREAM!!!

RoyalKingA73 i have decided to spend my whole life with old cars..

Very true

In EU - Germany for example are people FORCED by government to get rid of their old car. You get donation to buy a new car. Good donation,but hey . .new cars are crap. Start stop,steer by wire,electronic handbrake,now new AC gas. . .terrible

jirka87 that's terrible. No way I'd be forced to buy newer.

Dominik lmaooo niceeeeeee😂😂😂😂🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽

Dominik 😂😂😂😂😂

My car does not have aircon at all, but it does have a stick shift : )

That means you have released the toxic gas into the atmosphere. Hmmm...

Frank manual for the win

i have two cars that still have r12

My mom has a freezer from the mid 90s that works better than modern ones tbh. It just has to be defrosted like once a year.

I thought there was something toxic about r12 leaks? Am I getting mixed up? I have a car that runs on r12 but the A/C system doesn’t work. Plan to overhaul it this Summer but not sure if I should convert to 134a or something similar instead if im buying parts anyways

​@@chrisladouceur4093 nah, it *is* an issue. No idea where edwalker got "non-toxic" from. And, I know this isn't a concern 99% of the time - but under high heat, e.g. in a small fire, Freon (R12) gives you this really fun gas called Phosgene

Wait until the big three follow John Deere's lead.

Hell even mechanics will go out of business. People just wont pay this much money. And if they pay on credit basis, they won’t be able to repay that back and the 1930’s will repeat itself :)))

no they wont. those that can afford the equipment will do so. those that don't, wont bother. Not every mechanic has an alignment machine (which costs thousands), they're still doing fine.

Walt's Channel You’re F*cked?

r1234yourfucked

😅😅😅😅😃😃😃😃😅 You're F*cked!! 😅😅😄😄😃😃😅😂😂

He said that he knows what that stands for

Walt's Channel yes it stands for you fool

Bingo!

Give that man a cigar! As soon as the patent runs out on your previous refrigerant, just convince the government(s) that it's harmful to the environment (easier if it really is harmful, but not necessary because everyone is ready to believe horror stories about the environment) and needs to be outlawed. But now we have NEW IMPROVED patented refrigerant you have to buy!

R12 IS ozone depleting. It chemically breaks down into Cl atoms which then "eats" away the ozone. R134a does NOT do this, because it cannot break down to the same degree that r12 does. Chemistry, thankfully, is solid ground to tread on - if you know the structure of the molecule you will know how it will react. Source: am chemist

This is correct. R-134a has near-zero ozone depleting effect. However, it has moderate global warming potential. So, that a GWP of the refrigerant in a typical car is similar to the GWP of CO2 from driving 3000-4000 miles. The role of R-1234yf is to reduce the GWP of the refrigerant to a negligible level. However, as stated it has the disadvantage that it is slightly flammable. However, it can be ignited in certain circumstances when mixed with an oil spray and exposed to extremely high temperatures (e.g. an exhaust manifold/turbo). It should not be forgotten that R-134a while it will not ignite in these same circumstances, will also decompose to produce hydrogen fluoride when exposed to this type of heat, so the R-1234yf is not that much worse. Some manufacturers are working on a 90:10 mixture of R-1234yf/R-134a, which is significantly more difficult to ignite, to the point that it is "virtually non flammable". Having said all that though, this is a lot of money for a relatively modest change in GWP, albeit a non-negligible change. With R-134a, assuming each car gets 2 refill over the course of its 200k mile life, and the final charge is recycled when the car is scrapped, then that works out as about 3% of the car's global warming contribution comes from the AC rather than the fuel. The manufacturers are falling all over themselves to get a 3% reduction in fuel consumption, so from a political perspective R-1234yf is an easy win.

Heh. Well industry lobbies do have some say, do they not?

istvan meissler All government agencies are more or less corrupt. It doesn't matter which country it is and it doesn't matter if it's democratic or a dictatorship.

Warren Pierce in fact, there was already evidence that the ozone hole is already closing up, before any mass adoption of 1234yf.

Scotty was wrong with his rant. The issue with 134a isn't ozone depletion (like it was with R-12). It is the fact that 134a is a potent greenhouse gas. These are 2 separate issues.

It's interchangeable

Useful Entertainment smart

Unknown Gamer *costs less for now Cause seriously, R134a is going to end up like Freon, Rare and expensive. Probably best to start stocking up on the bottles now.

Nice... might as well be using ammonia. Lawyers should never engage in acts of science.

except porsche... thanks porsche

Wow, scary stuff. Wait until people hear about gasoline.

If you and others do go, the group couldn't even come CLOSE to the amount of money lobbyists' donate.

You're entirely correct. Saw that apostrophe later. (Wish there was a way to edit remarks like there are on various car forms.)

Sorry--meant car "forums" (typing too fast, not proofreading.)

its not freon. freon will if gets loose quickly destroy Ozone it comes in contact with!

AZMike - You can edit your comments. Hover your cursor over your comment and a little icon with three vertical dots will appear to the right of your comment. Click on the three-dots icon, and as long as you're signed in you will have an "edit" option for your comments. Now... if RU-vid could allow me to link to your username in my response and have fully nested comments like every other social media system on the internet... *** Look at that I made a typo and edited my comment! ****

R134 was a load of crap from the beginning. R12 isn't as prone to leaking due to a larger molecular structure and the R134A never worked very well back when we were retrofitting R12 systems. It took the manufactures years to build systems that actually had low leakage rates.

What pisses me off is that many states still have h-12a as illegal for highway use because it is flammable, yet r1234yf is legal when it has nearly identical flash points as h-12a. And it's the oil in the system that makes it so flammable as r-134a ignites under the same conditions as h-12a or r1234yf when tested in the manner daimler did in there testing. But because h-12a is a natural blend, it cannot be patented, hence the dirt cheap price compared to r1234yf which has enough "other stuff" in it to be patented.

If R12 is safe for the environment then why did they ban it?

Ryan Toomey r-12a isnt the same as r-12...

Flammability isn't an issue, no. But that release of hydrogen fluorine is. That stuff is pretty nasty, and turns into a toxic element in your body that will stop your heart. Nasty, nasty stuff, forgetting price, flammability and any other issue.

ride probs amen to that. Can't stand anything newer than 2010 & even that is very new and overly engineered to me.

Not to mention about the use of plastics everywhere i cant stand it anymore... about over engineering. Engineers has to being something even though its stupid or they will be jobless haha..

Caveat Lector totally agreed... now a days people dont enjoy their ride or feel the passion.. they just want to go from point a to point b.. that makes me sad...

Yol Drove a 2016 Ford Fusion after getting out of a 2000 Chevy Impala. The Fusion felt like a big heap of cheap overpriced plastic compared to the Impala. No leg room, tons of blind spots, and little torque with poor handling. The no ignition push button start makes no sense. The Impala on the other hand feels like a well engineered (not over engineered) land yacht that takes turns like a sports car despite being large, has tons of torque (Chevy 3800), a lot more leg room, and believes it or not , more visibility despite being longer and wider. Yet they’re both rated for the same gas mileage. “Flex fuel” injectors and “eco boast” turbo 4 cylinder engines are the worst over engineered “technological improvements” to hit the automotive industry. 90% of the people I know aren’t seeing these vehicles as over hyped and engineered monstrosities as pieces of junk like I have been since they first appeared. Wouldn’t want to see the struggle with reliability in the long run. Goodbye to the car enthusiast world. The only good thing left in the US.

The Haunter's Depot COMMON SENSE and government don't exist , I'll leave it at that. Have a great day.

Or when an injurous/ deadly fire results over it--sue the federal gov't and EPA for requiring it!!! worth a try!!

Darren Davenport I still feel I got lucky with my old printer, you can buy the black and color cartridges together for $30 on Amazon with free shipping, I'll be holding onto that thing for a while now, as it beats the $100 cartride change of the CMYK printer we got to replace it

The printer aftermarket business came out with a work-around for this expensive cartridges : the continuous ink supply system (CISS) where 4 ink tanks were attached on the outside of the printer and supplied ink through small tubes to the cartridges inside. Then the empire struck back : the printer manufacturers put a counter that monitors the cartridge usage and then declares the perfectly working cartridge as unusable after a number of hours. So the rebels reacted by buying up used cartridges to replace these cartridges marked as unusable (probably with some identification code hard-wired inside the cartridge circuit board).

Al Bert wow, that sounds insane.... seems "the man" will go through great lengths to screw the little guy

Yard Sale Dale i totally agree.... i do a ton of photography and i just gave up on home printing.... i find the newer Kodak machines at walmart do a great job with MUCH less hassle...

Justin Noker ya, you definitely got lucky with that one...

AllNamesRntAvailable, yeah that's just absurd bro...

It is probably due to high demand and low supply. Since a few cars use it not every one is making it. The older types have the same problem. My great uncle ran an HVAC company and use to paid like 30 dollars for a 30lb bottle of the older house stuff he had to buy one a bit ago and it was like 400 or something. Plus I am sure that it being flammable has a tax and safety tag on it.

Here in europe prices for R1234yf drop and for R134a rise. This is due to a artificial limitation of R134a imports. But there is still a problem for people driving an "older" car with R134a: One can exchange it with R1234yf, but guess what - its forbidden by law (if the car is involved in an accident, firefighters have to know for sure whats inside). This really is a big rip off!

What he's not telling you is that r1234yf has a different weight per volume. That 10lb cylinder is actually the equivalant in size to the 30lb cylinder of r-134a as you will use roughly 35% as much hydrocarbon based refrigerant as you you will hfc based refrigerant. So a system that takes roughly 3 lbs if r-134a will only require 1lb of r1234yf. That doesn't change the fact that r1234yf is WAY overpriced, but it isn't nowhere near as bad as he is making it out to be.

3 grand for putting a bomb in your car? is it really worth $3000, to turn your car into the next version of a car bomb?

Josh Bacon Doug's the type of guy to saw a boat in half and fix it with flex tape.

They're thinking.. How can rob them even more.

Josh Bacon M O N E Y

Profits of course

Depopulation!

Ya, like 15 gallons of gasoline isn't...and it weighs 90 lbs vs 2lbs of R-290 (propane). Also I'm a HVAC tech and Freon burns if a puncher occures in the presents of flame and creates phosgene gas. The common name for that is Mustard gas. They used it in WWI to kill the F* out of people. Personally, I like propane better. :)

Nunya _ nothing like the smell of phosgene gas.

Todd Medium Wellington III and R1234YF does not perform as well as R134a. Yes you are correct CFCs are an excellent refrigerant with a higher BTU capacity per pound for removing heat. But to tell you to truth flammable refrigerants like butane and propane are even better. Flammable refrigerants are still used around the world with no problems it’s just American skill set and education is so low we would be causing fires everywhere and because of our capitalism we like to use the cheapest product possible so cheap thin poorly constructed evaporator is leaking flammables into an passenger compartment would not make for a good day.

EpiDemic117 its an HFO that a all you need to know

t lech cfc imo were terrible that and the high amounts of chlorine made it an issue.

Todd Medium Wellington III Yes chlorine was the bad molecule that attacks the O-Zone but R134 did not attack the O-Zone it was a greenhouse gas this is why they were replacing it another fact few people know is that R134 also was dissolving in our oceans raising Ph ( acid level) in our oceans. They do know and have known from the beginning that the new replacement refrigerant R1234YF when breaks down mixes with water makes a growth hormone inhibitor for plants. This is only a temporary refrigerant it already has a plan date for obsolescence and to be replaced just wait for the patent to run out (money). Here’s a few more facts. EpiDemic117 yes straight from DuPont - now (Chemours) and Honeywell, read their white papers on the product, like every HVAC technician has. Anybody in the field who gets an automotive trade magazine of any sort has read about this and was big news before 2012 when they were developing the refrigerant. All HVAC technicians are members of M.A.C.S Mobile air conditioning society or they’re not HVAC technicians there just parts monkeys opening boxes and changing parts. Every HVAC technician who flies across country to one of the mobile air conditioning societies worldwide expos for all the parts manufacturers all the OEM training classes including Street from Honeywell from Dupont told you this straight from their mouth while explaining what the refrigerant was. Every individual who actually read and studied and really learned to get a EPA refrigerant license section 608 or section 609 which I have both and universal commercial HVAC refrigerant handling license which I have all three of since 1992 and I also have the commercial high pressure refrigerant certification for handling the newer R410 for residential and commercial air conditioning. There is no one in this industry that does not know this fact just as when R134 came out we all knew that it performed just a little bit less then R 12. *** One more note if you wanna know a really good HVAC shop with a competent and knowledgeable owner and technicians. Look for the shop in your city or state who owns at least two or more refrigerant identifiers. One will probably be the older models for R 22 R 12 and R 134+ flammable gases The second will be for our1234YF plus our 134 and maybe one other gas plus flammable, The third will be for R 410+ other refrigerants include inflammable. On top of that this is the shop that reads vacuum in microns not inches it makes a big difference on the level of technicians that’s an excellent indicator of their intelligence of their knowledge of air conditioning. This will be the shop all of their shops go to for help when they can’t figure out it tough problem in air-conditioning this will be the shop that’s busy 360 days a year including the dead of winter this will be the shop that has a line and is pre-booked for a few days in advance with cars waiting to get into when it gets hot this will be the shop that does not do oil changes brakes and tuneup‘s Soli strictly 100% air conditioning only nothing else this is the shop that when the recession hit’s is full every day with work with no downtime.

t lech wow

$3000 for 30 pounds. I work for a GMC dealership as a tech.the new yukons have 1234yf and with front and rear climate control the entire system only takes about 2lbs. so yes its more expensive and seems to be dangerous but you arent paying for 30 pounds of it. and as in most new things its pricey at 1st and over time the price falls. but then again the cost of a new yukon xl denali runs about 70-80k so if you can spend that kind of change for a vehicle whats a few hundred of dollars for ac ?

you tell me. i do oil changes for people and they scream at the idea of $94 for full synthetic at 5 quarts for a brand new 2018 yukon with like 5K miles on it.

Johnny Draco- cars...

As well they should. I just got a full synthetic Mobil 1 oil change for $53.

Johnny: Televisions.

I remember when you could sunbathe all day without getting skin cancer

@@victorunbea8451 stop it with this false propaganda.

What’s wrong with Vic’s statement. I grew up playing in the sun. So did all of my friends. Constantly outdoors through out my life. I am 70 and do not know one person who died of melanoma, skin cancer. Yet you state propaganda? I wonder who has been swallowing all of the nonsense from the enviro terrorist? Like DDT? Alar? No need to go on and on. Climate change, no science just money makers and Stalins “useful idiots”.

25 cents for me in the 60's.

It may blow so cold, but don't let it run too low or you may find your compressor seizing up, always remember that the refrigerant brings the oil along with it. A well done R134A conversion is the best thing to do in my own opinion.

Just worry about the a/c when it dies why mess with it now while it's working it night go for 5 yrs yet lol

The problem is, he may have to replace the entire AC system... his TXV (if he has one) might be inside the dashboard... if the compressor's belt is shared with P/S, alternator, water pump then, when it "dies", it may make other important services die together with it...

I replaced the entire a.c. system in my 1988 Dodge which was r12 of course. The brand new hoses, dryer, compressor, evap and condenser are all r134a compliant according to the labeling and drop right in. The new condenser is actually thinner but bolts right up.

What are you people talking about R12 and r134a compliant? It's refrigerant. Granted if there was .a huge pressure difference between the two I could understand. I've never had a problem evacuating the old R12 out and putting the new r134a in. There are different connections for R12 and r134a but I paid like $4 dollars for each of those. Now this new stuff with the explosive nature and all that, it sounds like a new ball game and we will have to wait and see how that train wreck works out.

Lets also say that most people don't know jack about mobile AC systems so that they basically turn them on only in the Summer. Well, in some countries such as Canada and Sweden, it's just the weather that won't allow you to turn AC anytime else anyway. That way, leaks aggravate. And that's also why you hear of so many compressors fatally seizing up and maybe taking a serpentine belt along with them too (refrigerant carries lubrication across the system and back to the compressor and low refrigerant decreases lubrication rate).

Absolutely. It is not without reason checking your A/C system has a regular service intervals. Only who checks their manuals nowadays...

Mark Richards It should be on your AC service station or delivered with every tank of refrigerant. If not, the manufacturer has them on their website. Print it out and put it with the service station/chemicals. I hope you’ll never get to need it, but have it there just in case.

My car's maintenance schedule doesn't list AC service in any way. The manual only says to turn on the AC system for some minutes each month. Little history: it's a family car and, before i could drive it, the owner turned the AC on only in the summer and never had any AC service done, all of this for 8 years. The compressor, an Harrison CVC, didn't seize, but it tripped the clutch coil's thermal fuse and ceased engaging. A new clutch coil, and it's still doing its job, even though it's 15 years old. The car is now receiving an AC service every 3 years and the AC is being turned for some minutes every week, and the condenser is being kept clean too.

Joe koyshman bullshit

@@mattcobalt248 look it up

Lots of mini fridges use propane.

will lpg work too?

That is not true. Plenty of good R-134a systems that will freeze you out

Emin GanGster BS My life....

I hate when that happens 😩

what about some weird bolt off something your taking off

That's what they make telescoping magnets for

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STILL NO EXCUSE WHY THE BASTERDS CHARGE 45 DOLLARS FOR AN 8 OZ. CAN !!!

So what happens when one wrecks and catches fire. Doesn't that pollute.

@@rogervonschleusingen4603 they want production of the chemical to stop....easiest way to achieve that is a levy

meee too, everyone knows that to use 134a in a r12 auto the only way it will ever work is to put in a 20-30% larger condenser. I have a 1986 k5 blazer that used r12, also a 91 suburban that uses 134a, also a 93 1500 extended cab pickup, both of the later trucks use a lot bigger condenser from the factory. I still use r12 in my fieros but will be changing to the propane mix when they need to re topped off I think.

Gotta buy myself a bunch of DIY bottles then, enough to last me probably the next 20 years sounds alright, only gonna need one per season max to top off, though it'll more likely be one every 3-5

There is a big difference between butane and R-1234yf in flammability. Butane is "highly flammable". R-1234yf is "low flammability" - it is difficult to ignite, and cannot be ignited by sparks. It needs to be mixed with other flammable materials (oil spray, gasoline vapors, etc.) and exposed to a very hot surface to ignite. However, this does mean that if an A/C line breaks and sprays a mixture of R-1234yf and compressor oil onto a turbo or exhaust manifold, then ignition is a real risk in this situation, as proven in testing. However, if an evaporator leak allows the substance into the cabin, then ignition of R-1234yf is not a realistic risk, even if exposed to a cigarette. However, with butane, this would be a real flammability/explosion risk.

Oh come on, your gas tank is full of explosive gasoline! How is this any different! Lol!

The problem isn't the flammability, cars are full of flammable liquid under high pressure, the problem is that it's a mandatory change and also the ridiculously high price. Look into R12a, its the best all around refrigerant imo. The main brands are RedTek in Canada and EnviroSafe in the US, it gets colder than 134a, is compatible in all systems, prices are comparable to 134a, has a much lower operating pressure, and is safe for the environment. Look it up on amazon.

The reason the prices are getting so ridiculous is nothing is Freon this planet anymore...

Foomba, was there ever an honest lobbyist?

Got that right Frank. :-)

GO DUAL BATTERIES WITH AN ISOLATOR, THEN WIRE IN A 1000 WATT INVERTER AND A SMALL HOUSEHOLD AC DEHUMIDIFIER. THAT WILL DO HER

Actually my wifes 2018 Toyota Camry has it and it is the best car ac we have ever had. It cools the cabin down from 120 to 60's in a matter of minutes. Works better than r12 did

I'm actually hopeful Volkswagen can get CO2 compressed and safe enough to use in cars. That way we can be damn certain there will be no more of this "ozone depleting" bs that is taking advantage of the lawmakers for corporate profit. This yf gas is a fine example of how every industry has figured out a way to swindle more "required" "safe" and "green" nonsense onto consumers for a bigger profit. I still strongly believe electric vehicles are not the right way to go. We should have 200 mile range hydrogen powered cars produced with nuclear power. The technology is there. It's just that nobody would make a profit.

Loomis well, for the giant ozone hole, there is actual proof (yes, Proof!) That it's now closing up on it's own, and no r1234yf was needed for that

Thank goodness you were here to point that out! I never would have have been able to understand what Justin meant without the help of my friendly neighborhood grammar officer

Hang on to it for dear life. That was the best automotive refrigerant they ever made.