Can you road trip across South Africa in an electric car? - With Winstone Jordaan, MD of GridCars

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South Africans love to travel by road. Many of us have fond memories of family trips to holiday destinations, or to visit family across the country. But with the motoring world increasingly heading over to electrification, will we still be able to travel across our beautiful country in our electric vehicles?
Winstone Jordaan, MD of Gridcars, along with his team, has been spearheading the electrification of South Africa's road network. If you've seen a fast charger somewhere along the N1, N2, N3 or N4, it's most likely a GridCars charger.
We were delighted to be joined by Winstone in our Cape Town podcast studio for a lengthy chat, hosted by our video guy Ciro De Siena.
We hope you find this discussion valuable and we'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below.
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0:00 Intro
2:20 Who is responsible for public charging stations?
5:51 Tip when going on a road trip with an EV
6:35 Charging every chance you get
9:07 National roads electricity network
11:58 DC chargers
17:07 Power supply
19:06 Caledon System
20:30 Electric cars cheaper to run
20:50 Home Charging vs DC charging
23:00 Cost for a public kW/hour
24:24 EV vs Ice
25:35 Predictable and cheaper than petrol
26:50 Wider EV adoption in South Africa
27:30 Challenges of electric cars
29:05 Benefits of electric cars
29:45 Transition on electrical cars
32:01 Manufacturing and tax on electrical cars
32:35 Electrical cars vs Petrol version
33:50 Entry level vehicles
35:32 Installation and availability of charging stations
43:00 Educating motorists on electrical future
50:42 Outro

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Комментарии : 89

@jcvantasties 2 года назад

Vote for bringing this man back for another podcast. Very interesting discussion!

@Carscoza 2 года назад

That's so great to hear, thank you for the feedback.

@robertph72 2 года назад

I'm sold on EV's. Will be buying one hopefully in the next 3 years. Waiting for import duties on EV's to be reduced or abolished. Hoping on incentives as well. Cannot wait for road tripping in an EV. 😁

@DVTREALMAN150 2 года назад

By that time we will have a huge pool to choose from. Cant wait for the bakkies to come in. It would be nice if we had a local brand EV.

@sebbya8370 2 года назад

BYD, Xpeng or Nio need to open a plant here in SA and there will be no import duties. This is what Toyota does.

@sulemandhanchora5322 Год назад

Very insightful discussion. Thoroughly enjoyed it and learnt a lot. My next new car certainly will be an EV even if it means waiting for a few years. It’s a no brainer for me personally. EV’s and the range on EV’s will improve as the technology progresses. Solar technology will also improve and become cheaper as it becomes more mainstream. Take a look at how much cellphones have developed over the past 10-15 years. The thought of having the ability to generate electricity from solar energy on my own to then run my car without the concern of price hikes etc is just amazing. Geely and GWM’s Haval are now established in SA and should bring in affordable EV cars for the masses. They know the SA market.

@sulemandhanchora5322 Год назад

*Chery and GWM’s Haval

@oceantebogomalekutusouthaf667 6 месяцев назад

Tx soo much, very informative about the EV

@jeruntotera9002 2 года назад

we need more lol , Great chat

@tsponge101 Год назад

I’m glad Winston’s attitude has changed. I had the first BMW i3 in South Africa and grid cars has very disorganised back then. Getting info from them was very difficult back then. I even visited their CSIR offices to charge and then charger wasn’t even connected 😢

@dayav07 2 года назад

Excellent podcast, excited for when electric cars become a norm!

@keithduffield5239 2 года назад

That little wink had a distinct Aura (ORA wink wink) about it.

@bhyat 2 года назад

As someone who has spent a few weeks testing EVs in SA this was super informative!

@Carscoza 2 года назад

That's great to hear, thank you for the feedback

@keithduffield5239 2 года назад

Lovely lovely show - it is exciting. As a very green pensioner with an almost off-grid home. Should I buy a second hand i3s now. If I wait for affordable EV's I may not be able to drive anymore by the time they arrive. I would rather charge my EV from my spare energy PV than give it back to Eskom for cents.

@mcwidowmaker7495 2 года назад

I've done quite a few roadtrips in my XC40 recharge. Normally we have lunch at a DC charger and before we finish eating, the car is full enough to continue.

@gabrielpereira141 2 года назад

Great interview. Very insightful.

@ak47rey 2 года назад

Nice video. I’m super excited about the future of EV cars in SA. We currently charging at home and mostly using our solar system. Keen to do a road trip soon. Wondering how we can contribute towards building a larger charging network….🤔

@edwinungerer7989 2 месяца назад

Now can we get Tesla in South Africa already!! Fsd is getting insanely good and thats a legendary feature to have

@edwinungerer7989 2 месяца назад

The new Electric Volvo is also looking very good and affordable

@lionelmitchell7967 2 года назад

This was a truly insightful podcast. I realise that having battery storage at the charging sites would be incredibly expensive and there is always a risk of theft. Has a study been done on how viable such a setup would be, given sites with limited energy capacity?

@dionoliveira4058 2 года назад

as far as i know all DC charging stations are doing exactly that.

@719537046 2 года назад

I think Bio diesel and Hydrogen, Are going to be better options ..with lithium mining having challenges EV is not going to be ideal. that will impact the price of both EV and Solar, all vehicles are dirty though. With our crime rate, being at one point for a given length of time might poise a danger as fuel stations were hot spots for robberies.. First time watching and finishing a podcast. Nice..

@Carscoza 2 года назад

We're so glad you enjoyed the podcast, thank you for your feedback. We are working hard to foster debate around the future of motoring and we are happy you are part of the conversation :)

@peacefullsleep8904 2 года назад

They are already working on batteries that dont use lithium or cobolt wich would change that dirt.i think the main thing now and in the future will be cheaper fuel,not somuch green fuel. Nothing will ever be totally green i think to make bio feul or hydrogen isnt all that clean or green anyway.

@sagsoul7920 Год назад

@@peacefullsleep8904 Formular 1 have already developed a fuel that will be "greener" and can be used even in our current cars. You probably know since its recent news. Just updating the conversation

@truth-Hurts375 Год назад

@@sagsoul7920Really....

@sagsoul7920 Год назад

It is doable but we are far from the ideal. Lets just say you want to drive from CPT to JHB To be able to do it 1. You will need a R1.2 million vehicle minimum +- R28k per month ( Payments(72months@12%) + Insurance) 2. This car will give you a range of 400km (~R100) 3. You will drive to Laingsburg 260km (+-50% charge left) stop for 30min minimum to get enough juice to get to Befortwest. Laingsburg is 22kw and Befortwest is 60kw (~R70) 4. Drive to almost dead to Befortwest then charge to 80% (~320km range) / 1hr stop which will take you to Colesburg (~R350) 5. 1 hour Stop in Colesburg (320km range) (~R350) 6. 2hr Stop in Bloemfontein (320km range) (~R350) I would assume the person buying this has the laxuary to do this journey in 2 days which is epic. R1400 cost to charge + 1000 for the Night Cape. The same vehicle (ICE) will cost ~R2800 The only Good MOVE is if we are allowed to import second hand electric cars. 2013 Nissan leaf (120km Range) R150 000 including duty.... Now this will make the most of sense. Charge at home @R20-30 per 100km... And also good for the environment is reusing instead of building new ones that are expensive. This will be the good second car... Keeping the ICE version for Longer and weekend trips.

@edwinungerer7989 2 месяца назад

Looks like its slowly becoming a thing and boy am I exited

@sagsoul7920 Год назад

The only solution is all fuel stations in N1 to have the 22kw AC chargers. That 1hr = 140km stop will allow even a mini to tackle the CPT to JHB trip R40 000 investment per Charger. Selling R7/KWH (R4 profit) looking at breaking even after charging 10 000kw - thus about 200 charges on average... Well not considering a lot of factors above. maintenance - app cut - etc

@georgeoosthuizen6213 2 года назад

Can you do a podcast on how the batteries for EV's are manufactured what materials is used how safe is it in an accident is there cut off switches isolating the battery pack output, how long will the battery last before replacing is needed and at what cost and if there is materials that is mined for the batteries is this done also in an environmentally friendly way?

@sompisiphinda1417 2 года назад

This guy is so knowledgeable indeed.

@muhammeddawood6099 2 года назад

I think that a more suitable a closed hybrid system like that of the Toyota cross hybrid etc

@henrysithole3623 2 года назад

I'm yet to find a vehicle charging on the Caledon charger. I pass there every week atleast.

@Morne_Smith 2 года назад

mmmm not much in the descriptionj regarding the links as per promise? Last few minutes??? That said: Lets not talk about eksdom...but lets talk about battery life? On the current EV's and costs of replacing etc?

@chrisswanepoel6935 2 года назад

Maybe SA's current electrical grid network is the largest stumbling block. Being forced to use backup generators negates the positives of EVs. Until we have a good supergrid to divert power to where it's required at any given time our green programme cannot be optimised effectively. Keep up the great content. Please subscribe, like, share and ring the bell to share the love.

@astonwinter 2 года назад

Lovely conversation but maybe next time take the toys off the table, the shaking from one of them when Winstone Jordaan gets the single shot is distracting. Get one or two big ones or just one

@LVANH_Lynx Год назад

Great Pod cast. I'd like to get my household electric by converting my fiat 850 to electric as our daily runner. Are their any options for financing available yet for such a project?

@keolanechange6593 3 месяца назад

I can do the conversion for you. Reply to this if interested

@uYahbonaEmbo 2 года назад

I am just waiting for favorite brand to launch they EV local but it’s the current future.

@88tmilko 2 года назад

China can extort more mining in Africa then😂

@travelmates1 2 года назад

How would the (rather affluent) inhabitants of Pretoria East (and other towns across SA) deal with exploding substations and cable theft, leaving the affluent owners without electricity for weeks?

@micheleheynes4298 2 года назад

Good day. My vote is for EV vehicles. Just need cheaper vehicles that are within my price range. South Africa is also looking at dropping the speed limits, and if that 10-20kph is taken, the speeds most people can drive will have to drop, giving the smaller capacity EV's a better range, as the drag co-efficiency above 100kph seems like the smaller cars are using too much energy to maintain. The Mini Cooper SE makes perfect sense for me on 90% of my driving needs. I don't do the Cape Town to Jozi trips anymore. Can't even remember when last I drove more than a 120km in one direction, or driving on the N7 to Upington, or even the easier N2 to Mosselbay. With that if the vehicles prices falls into my price range, and the holiday resorts/places have an infrastructure with even a level 2 charger and overnight stop after some distance would make for a relaxing drive. The BMW i3 with the 94Ah or 120Ah model ranges would make perfect sense for my sister, the only problem I have with it, the wheel sizes. Darnit, the rubber can only be obtained from BMW, the skinny anorexic model sized tyres. As the further you you drive away from the major cities, the less you find smaller and or awkward size tyres. If we had to purchase one vehicle for the both of us, Volvo XC40 Recharge, but the P6 (single motor) not the P8 (dual motor) version would work. Unless we are getting something the size MG 5 or ZS, Opel Corsa, Hyundai Kona, because I don't like the Ioniq 5 or EV6. Another hampering factor, how about making the weakest DC charging capacity 50kW. Nissan's Leaf doesn't make any sense for road tripping, the Chademo chargers aren't used.

@michaelplates 2 года назад

What is your option when you have miscalculated and running low on a charge with no charging station in sight.

@georgeoosthuizen6213 2 года назад

Most probably call someone with a petrol or diesel generator to charge your car up again.

@CiroDeSiena 2 года назад

Same thing could happen to you in a petrol powered car though. My dad did this many times to us when we were kids on the way to Cape Town from Joburg 😂

@michaelplates 2 года назад

@@CiroDeSiena I can take a can and hike to next petrol station - what do I do with ev - drive with battery charger.

@nkgudih 2 года назад

Interesting, whilst the electric, BEV, in particular, will form part of the propeller energy in this country, please let's be realistic that until the battery magic happens (high density, lightweight, & charging time equal/better to fueling ICE) BEV will remain an urban transporter.2nd, BEV has to go on a serious diet to shed weight to achieve claimed range, plus people must remember in RSA, we take long trips fully loaded with baggage (sometimes with added trailer), and let's face it most average speeds are 110-135km/h. One critical secret this BEV marketers don't realize is that ICE is drastically improving in terms of heat efficiency, and if this heat efficiency exceeds 50%+, BEV will find it hard to make a business case. I have over a decade of living & living with hybrids, so I talk from experience.

@Carscoza 2 года назад

Thank you for your comment, we appreciate you engaging in the debate.

@henrysithole3623 2 года назад

I've seen the e-tron GT and the Taycan in the short space they have been around. But I'm yet to see the I-pace. Worst of all is that I have never seen the Kia Stinger in the flesh and yet fuel car lovers complain about the fast growth of EVs.

@muhammeddawood6099 2 года назад

EVs remain highly unaffordable for the majority of South Africans. how many South Africans afford a vehicle in excess of 2 million?

@alexemergineer3202 2 года назад

Can we engage government meaningfully.

@SonicHawk90 2 года назад

Do the people who can afford electric cars in South Africa really drive long distances rather than fly? Even the cheapest used EV is more than R400k. My point is, EV's at the moment, is more of a toy and nice to have than something the average person can afford. Topics like this are "cute" but not practical for the people who would look at moving away from ICE cars because of fuel and maintenance costs..

@labourlawact7826 2 года назад

Thank you for your insightful comment. People are just on an EV high. Them becoming mainstream in South Africa is a LONG LONG way off, unless something drastically dangerous happens to the climate. Which I doubt will make people change anyway. I think humans are doomed either way.

@DVTREALMAN150 2 года назад

Here in Hazyview we actually have an Audi charging station. Thats right next to the Kruger Park.