And I dont want to hear about Canelo's diet. He came into the fight underestimating Bivol... In interviews before the fight he was already talking about other opponents. Canelo is an all time great fighter, but he came into this fight vs Bivol underprepared and got thumped. Hope he bounces back from this, im sure he will.
they're the same age, but alvarez came out looking 15 years older. he's so tough he couldn't be stopped, but there were times he literally couldn't do anything except take the shots
Canelo fell in love with his power. Didn’t use his head movement or footwork, didn’t counter punch, didn’t adapt and got matador’d all night. It was a bad game plan on his part.
@@axelfoley1812 It’s not just that. When a guys guard is tight like that you have to punch with them and take risks to shift the momentum. He didn’t take any chances cause he thought he could walk him down and knock him out. He fought Bivols fight. He’s more than capable of taking a different approach which we will see if the rematch happens.
People not giving bivol his credit. Bivol has great hand speed. Moves his feet good for a guy his size. He's always under control. His defense was solid. People act like canelo has just changed as a fighter. He does the same thing he did 10 years ago. He just fighting bigger guys now. And he ran into a big guy that happens to be skilled.
Yea that’s what I was gonna say I’m pretty sure he used to fight at 147 professionally. You keep moving up in weight eventually ur gonna get beat by someone. Floyd and manny I want to say have seven different weight class belts
Lol I have to disagree saying Canelo is the same guy he was 10 yrs ago....after the floyd fight his head movement and counter punching improved significantly. I will agree that Bivol deserves more credit he's a legit light heavy weight with great speed and boxing skills!
People overlooking Bivols handspeed. This was a big factor in the fight and enabled him to get those 3-4 punch combos off and stop Canelo in his tracks
Yeah moving up weight has a big factor in a fighter, specially by doing so and not taking a tune up fight to get climates to the new weight, Canelo by the 6th round was gassed out, while Bivol who’s been a career 175 pounder has had all the time to have enough gas in the tank to carry him strong all 12 rounds. But Canelo bit off more than he could chew, meanwhile a bunch of hater channels here on RU-vid was already calling Bivol the next cherry pick, yet I don’t see any of their favorite fighters in any rush to go to 175 and challenge Bivol there now.
The hand speed plus reach and overall power, dudes has to put much more effort to hit with the same capacity, bivol is able to jus shoot those shots off at whim while still keeping the length and his footwork is a A- at worst, I don't see the rematch going canelos way
Canelo in his last few fights has stopped using his elite head movement and speed and started just walking down opponents with his guard up and hoping to break them down eventually. But that strategy showed its limitations against opponents that are too big and also happen to be elite boxers technically.
You sure it wasn't the extra weight he put on? It is not easy jumping 4 divisions from where you normally fight, and still having that top notch head movement, you gotta distribute your energy and can't waste it on head movement would be my guess..
Canelo doesn’t use his tactics and style to “hope” to break opponents down. He knows it will break them down that’s supreme confidence in his ability. Unfortunately he overestimated his power and abilities while going up to light heavyweight against a natural light heavyweight that happens to be an elite boxer.
Canelo’s biggest mistake as well as his whole camp is that, the underestimated Dimitry Bivol’s caliber of boxing. Not only is he crazy combination of elite speed and power, every time that man gets in the ring, he puts on a clinic.
@@kingadri9 Remember that boxing is a business. Canelo and his team believed they would beat Bivol easier than the other belt holders. Think before you talk.
@@kingadri9 They did. Eddie Reynoso literally said that they lost a fight that they should have won. I mean, really? They already had difficulty against Lara, Jacobs, and GGG. Guys that are not flashy with solid fundamentals. And they're fighting a bigger guy, arguably a better technician too, and they said they should have won? Jeez. Btw, thanks Eddie Hearn for making this fight. We will never see how good Bivol is if Canelo is still under Oscar.
I think reason why canelo lost was because of his new diet his focus on golf more then boxing and his way of fighting style changed but that’s my opinion your welcome to say something else idk that’s my opinion
@@gungrave10 eddie hearn has also said that canelo fought bivol because he thought he would won. there is very strategic cherry picking going on behind the scenes that people aren't seeing. now canelo wants to fight john ryder even though people are asking him to fight benavidez, charlo, etc.
People don't realize how hard it is to move up and win. It's one of the most impressive things you can do as a boxer. Especially against the best of the best.
man yall certainly didn't have the same attitude before the fight look at the betting odds yall scoffed at the idea of Bivol winning probably because you didn't even know who the guy even was or his abilities in that ring ... Canelo can beat plenty of fighters at 175 just not Bivol apparently and lucky for him he even got Bivol if the fans really got what they wanted Beterbiev would have put his ass on the canvas
Canelo is now Mayweather of modern boxing. He will always get decisions when the fight is close. If it’s not and he’s losing they’ll score where he barely loses
I disagree, I think he has the potential. He just needs to lose the ego, in my opinion he got too used to hearing his people scream his name and never disappointing. I can’t imagine going vegan helped, but at the end of the day we’ll find out in the rematch.
@@chavinho7793 no, bivol is a small light heavyweight, you must have forgot that before the Caleb plant undisputed, bivol was the second option for Canelo, and they were going to meet at a catchweight under the light heavyweight limit, bivol offered Canelo the rematch at super middleweight for the belts, and Canelo didn’t want the smoke, Canelo knows he would lose the belts at super middleweight vs bivol again.
Gotta Respect Canelo Regardless.. he ain't scared to Jump Weight Classes, and he damn sure ain't afraid to take an "L" in exchange for the Glory of winning a New Belt!!!! Living Legend, one of the Greatest Ever 🥊💪🥊
It was a boxing masterclass for Bivol, reminded me of Naseem v Barrera. He did the simple things very well. Definitely made good use of the extra size, and was able to get his arm smashed to pieces but kept his guard. Great performance. Hope he starts to get paid now.
And the difference in natural size and power was obvious. He had to expend minimal effort to cause the same effect of punishment in his punches compared to what Canelo was forced to do. When his exceptional hand speed for his size is matched with that power it results in the dominance we saw in that fight. I doubt Canelo will seek out that rematch. I can’t imagine it going drastically different next time.
Completely agree. Boxing is consistent pressure, footwork, accuracy, leading with the jab, hands up constantly - and do that for 12 rounds - and be excellent the whole time. Being a winner in boxing is being excellent at the basics ALL THE TiME. I thought canelo was drawing him in so he’d open up like he did will Billy J but Bivol is a different level. Looking forward to his next fight - hopefully his promoters get him the right fights !
In one of the last rounds Eddie Reynoso, Canelo’s trainer, asked him how he was feeling. Canelo responded he was feeling really tired. I think 175lbs is too much weight for Canelo. He should stay at 168lbs and below
@@pugilist102 Canelo was exhausted by the 9th round. Fighting at 175lbs was too much weight for him to handle. If Bivol is as good as people say he is let him drop down to 168lbs or 160lbs and fight Canelo at that weight
@@richietavarez1200 dropping that far below your natural weight class is risky as heck. Bivol would have to cut massively and probably dehydrate himself to make weight. Bivol is a big guy.
Usyk would walk through Canelo's punches and batter the shit out of him, but there were loads of Canelo fans saying that he would beat him. They think Usyk is small because he was cruiserweight, but they forget he is the same height and reach as Ali, and heavier than Ali. He's bigger than Tyson and Holyfield.
So was Mike Tyson nobody seen this coming. Remember when everyone was claiming Bivol was a cherry pick? Canelo wil come back better and fight everyone he’s supposably ducking in his weight class and all the black racist canelo haters will be mad af
@@mycrazylife408 this was not some fluke loss. Anyone who actually followed the sport closely and knew who Bivol was knew this would be a difficult fight for Canelo and many (myself included) thought Bivol would win. The only surprise was how badly Bivol mopped the floor with him. The only people calling Bivol a cherry pick were casuals who only see knockouts and assumed Beterbiev was the real 175 kingpin
@@YA-wr5wd So since you follow the sport to you actually think canelo is ducking benevidez and charlo and if he fought either do you actually think he’d lose? I can’t see him losing to either especially after his experience he gained in this fight.
Canelo in that fight reminded me of the anime hajime no ippo, after ippo becomes champion and becomes reliant on his power alone until he lost, he got stopped because of this became too confident on power alone and neglected all the other things that made him as good as he was
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Yes, he did believed too much in his power. But it's not like he doesn't try his best. This is the usual Canelo we had seen, it just that Bivol doesn't bite. Tried to destroy Bivol arms, doesn't work. Tried to trap him with his usual. Peekabo stance, Bivol jab and push him away. Tried to invite Bivol to play at the rope, Bivol doesn't play as much as Canelo wants too. Tried to go inside. Get countered clean everytime he finished combo. Canelo did believed his power too much. But he did brings a lot of his arsenal into the fight. Bivol just better that day
Nothing to do with diet. Canelo was outboxed and out thought not out muscled. Clinches were almost absent and leaning nowhere to be seen. Bivol's footwork exposed Canelo and he had to resort to rope tactics to try and lure Bivol in for the counterpunch KO. Bivol was too smart and Canelo got frustrated. Canelo is a great fighter but, as many people have pointed out, he's limited. he didn't know what to do against Bivol.
@@drdoom386 canelo has great upper body movement from the waist......but his feet are VERY flat and his legs are not fast at all, canelo walks through sand and bivol glides on ice......
He never stopped using test come on. They all do. If he's doing it to bulk up at a young age what makes you think he didn't to add some muscle going up again?
I only started watching Bivol after Canelo, but man his other fights were waaaaay harder than vs Canelo. Bivol fought guys bigger than him and dimantled them. A small guy like Canelo has no hope of hurting Bivol vegan or not. Canelo gonna get KO'd in a rematch if Bivol wants the belts enough.
Why Bivol couldn’t KO Canelo? It shouldn’t had been a problem since canelo is smaller and Bivol is on his weight. Bivol ducked the rematch and no one said a thing. Not hating on Bivol, just pointing out the double standards
True but Bivol has changed his approach. All his KO's (11 if I remember) were earlier on in his pro career. He can hit hard. Some of the fights were absolute dust-ups against bigger, more powerful men than Canelo. Bivol now uses footwork and immaculate distance to out box opponents. That jab is world class.
Canelo could have eaten an entire bison before the fight and he still would have lost. Ward called it over a year ago, he said don't fight Bivol. Tim Bradley said it was a bad match up. RJJ said it. The fight had nothing to do with food. It was about the man he fought.
There is nothing belittling about saying that it was the weight that got Bivol the win. That’s just a fact. It wasn’t Bivol’s skill that was just flustering Canelo. It was that Canelo was swinging with heat and Bivol laughed it off.
Canelo's problem wasn't his diet, it was facing a longer bigger man who is a very good technical boxer. Bivol's jab controlled the whole fight, it was lightning quick and set the range for his right cross perfectly. Plus canelo didn't have his special Mexican beef.
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@@X3MAntics Better as in ability. Bivol has faster hands, faster feet, much more educated footwork, extremely sharp counters (which he didn't even show against Canelo), genius at manipulating distance, insane cardio, great defense and an elite Jab.
@@architchaudhary1285 He's really not that much better. You're talking as though a man in one weight class who has never left it is better than a man who has won in multiple weight divisions. Most boxers start and end their careers in one weight division. Canelo just finally pushed it too far and lost the speed and nuance that comes with a lighter, more natural body weight. Canelo is without doubt the greatest boxer in the world at the current moment.
@@kgmanio7786 he wasn't vegan when he fought Kovalev. He goes vegan for this fight, looked like trash, and gassed in the fifth round.... is canelo going to win the rematch? no, probably not. but I'd like to see him actually have the tank to go 12 rounds and he can't do that on a vegan diet.
As a Canelo fan I will be signing him up for a life supply of steaks 🥩 from Angus 😂 …. Who the Hell has a big fight and decides to go eat weeds and tofu 🤣🤣🤣🤣
lmfao dude literally went vegan and moved up on a weight class? who the fuck does that? no wonder bivol knocked canelo around the ring. coming from a huge canelo fan too.
Reminds me of high school wrestling when I was 132 lbs wrestling and cutting to 119 because we had another state ranked guy at like 127 lbs or whatever it was. I was good but miserable. I cut so much weight id swear id see floor tiles moving around and shifting on me like I was hallucinating. The couple times I went up a weight and wrestled 135 lbs instead I was free and happy and went 6-1 that year that an upper weight. Going up might make you feel more healthy- but you have to wrestle all the desperate guys coming down from 140+ to get it. I look back on it now as a 31 year old and still can't believe I wrestled like that regularly- wrestling a 16 lbs spread.
As a Canelo fan I understand wanting to be remembered for having multiple belts at different weight classes, but you must know that sooner or later you’ll run into a bigger guy who has actual skills, Canelo was outboxed from the start. Never had a chance.
He should’ve trained harder and maintained his aggressive style he drops his hands a lot more than he should’ve . Bivol for sure maintained discipline and took Canelo way more seriously than Canelo took him
As a self-described canelo fan boy, Excuses need to stop, I cant say the vegan thing didnt affect canelo, maybe it did im not a scientist. But canelo isnt superman, he has limits and he finally found it. He is def one of the best ever and that mexican heart is what got him fighting all these champs way above his weightclass but these casuals really hyped him up to even be able to fight at heavyweight lmao...
Agreed big canelo fan here. But when I heard him say he's considering heavyweight vs usyk I knew dude was getting mad delusional. All the hype got to him. Let's hope he goes back to what was making him so good, head movements body shots, pull counters. I saw none of that vs bivol and I knew bivol wasn't going to be a walk in the park. Shit he's more dangerous then charlo Andrade or benavidez.
"He is def one of the best ever" To be considered one of the best ever you have to beat opponents in their primes who are also considered one of the best ever Who has Canelo beat who is in that category? Saunders? Plant? Smith? Chavez Jr? Yildirim? Rocky Fielding?
Even though Canelo lost, he should be respected for challenging himself and taking very tough fights instead of taking easy fights at his comfortable weight.
My only issue with people is the excuses for Canelo post fight. His game plan weight diet juice ECT didn't diminish his boxing abilities that are second nature for him at this juncture of his long & illustrious career. The better boxer won from round one through twelve. He tried from the outside to the center of the ring to land scoring blows & counter punches all night. He was outboxed in every facet of the game imaginable. Footwork combinations accuracy jabbing distance management level changes feinting movement ring IQ speed changes counter punching TIMING even the exchanges while inside fighting Canelo was clearly frustrated all night. Defensively he was outclassed as well Bivol's guard is beautiful and his consistency is impeccable I'm shocked that most people thought Canelo would actually stop him no one gave him a chance. Canelo is an incredible boxer but let's be honest I've not seen Canelo get outclassed that badly since Erislandy Lara was robbed. Weight is not in any way a valid excuse especially given the fact that Bivol can easily make 168 & is currently trying to go down to take his belts. He's a small man for his weight class. Canelo was simply outsmarted & outboxed. I couldn't even give him two rounds (rewatched the fight twice now) which is astonishing. The judges were looking to rob Bivol from the outset perusal but they couldn't. If they rematch you'll see the same thing except I assume Canelo will approach the fight with more offensive aggression & get eventually get stopped at any weight they decide to fight at.
We need to remember that at 36 yo, Kovalev had a difficult fight vs Anthony Yarde just two and a half months before Canelo's fight. Well rested, it would've been a different fight, although Kovalev agreed to fight within that timeframe, so it's all good.
Interesting discussion as always with Joe who knows how to convey a balanced and reasonable point of view in such an effective way. I was very surprised to hear him say that he doesn't know any athlete at elite level who are vegans though. What about the Diaz brothers, Lewis Hamilton, Novak Djokovic and so on ?! If these guys are not elite athletes then I don't know who is. I am not advocating a vegan diet for an athletic performance boost I was just really surprised by that statement.
Canelo just didn't respect him. He went looking for the knockout through body shots and combos and didn't box. Didn't use his jab. You need to use your skill and movement to beat the bigger man. Not walk through him.
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Rewatch the fight examine the details. His game plan didn't diminish his boxing abilities that are second nature at this juncture of his long illustrious career. He tried from the outside to the center of the ring to land scoring blows & counter all night. He was outboxed in every facet of the game imaginable. Footwork combinations accuracy jabbing distance management level changes feinting movement speed changes counter punching TIMING even the exchanges while inside fighting Canelo was frustrated all night. Defensively he was outclassed as well especially Bivol's beautiful guard and consistency is impeccable I'm shocked most people thought Canelo would actually stop him. I've not seen Canelo get outclassed that badly since Erislandy Lara was robbed. Weight is not in any way a valid excuse especially given the fact that Bivol can easily make 168 & is currently trying to go down. He's a small man for his weight class. Canelo was simply outsmarted & outboxed I don't think I gave him two rounds (rewatched the fight twice now) which is just astonishing. The judges were looking to rob Bivol from the outset but they couldn't. If they rematch you'll see the same thing except I assume Canelo will approach the fight with more offensive aggression & get stopped at any weight they decide to fight at.
@@rocktekhne can smell the hate off you now the weight was canelos opponent not bivol you’ll see in the rematch if bivols the one going down weight than for sure he’s getting stopped look at the first again sense you watched it twice now I would think you’d see it too but I’ll leave that to you backseat commentator
@@Markzuckfuckerburg Man quit deluding yourself. Bivol is simply the better boxer. He's everything Canelo struggles with. Even with everything in his advantage, Canelo still couldn't beat Bivol.
Canelo’s game plan was just horrible. He got over his head and thought his power would be enough. He didn’t even work the body or throw many faints or not much combinations. 🤦🏻♂️ Hope he learns & comes back stronger 💪🏻
Joe, I remember your days as "Frank" on Hardball, and Joe G on NewsRadio. Whatever you do you do it well, just like your UFC commentating, You are always UNBIASED AND HONEST.
Canelo thought he was going to bebable to eventually walk down Bivol and break him apart like his last 15 fights. Problem is Bivol was easily 190 on fight night and Canelo underestimated Bivols power and skill set. The first few rounds Canelo was being Canelo. After the 4th it was clear Canelo knew this was going to be a long hard night. The rematch may be different but Canelo and his team will have to make a completely different game plan.
168 to 175 is a big jump. Good on canelo for challenging himself but if you ever seen 1lb of meat it’s huge, now imagine 7 pounds, that’s a lot of extra power that bivol knows how to use
It's not only a seven pound jump, fighters walk around much heavier than their weigh in weight. Canelo probably got to 185 at most, Bivol probably walks around 195 naturally
@@jorgecampos31 The man made 50 million in one night, and your the one laughing! 😂 Also a Cherry pick is when a Champion is fighting lesser opposition (that are Not Champions,) just a little education for the casuals 😉🙏🏽
@@isaakdlg1737 You must be new to boxing. With today's multiple amount of weight classes with more belts running a round, it's a lot easier to pick the lesser Champs to fight. You my boy, are upset that Canelo aka la pecosa tramposa got Schooled by what he believed to be another weak champion. Jajajaja
@@jorgecampos31 Not upset! because the man doesn't pay my bills, and he's going home 50 million dollars richer. i just respect the fact that the little man moved up to face the big champion and took the risk! 💯🙏🏽👍
Idk but if a rematch happens, Bivol will still win.... I mean.. look at those eyes, very sharp and focus.. that's why he's undefeated. If he develops that punching power he will be too much to handle IMO.
The fact that it was nearly called a draw was embarrassing…Bicol dominated. Canelo also lost the first GGG fight though that was legitimately close. Alvarez is great enough. He doesn’t need a phony 2-3 round advantage which requires opponents to win 8-9 rounds clearly to have a chance at the decision.
GGG will need a knockout to beat him this go round. I feel the same for Bivol. They're gonna do everything in their power to give Canelo the W. They can't afford to have him losing twice in a row.
@@eduardoescobar1906 Wth does Floyd have to do with this? Floyd retired years ago. His career is set in stone. If we're being honest Canelo lost a few fights but got gifted the decision & damn near go another one with them trash az scores from the judge. 115-113. Stop playing....Bivol beat that boy & Saul maybe won 2 or 3 rounds.
Canelo just unified an entire division that wasn’t his, then went all the way up to fight the #1 Undefeated Prime Light Heavyweight Champion, while other Boxers still refuse too fight the best in their own division.
Prime canelo lost? I thought he said nobody can beat him in his prime? And everybody makes an excuse that 175 is too much for him? It's not his first fight at 175 it's just he lost and got outboxed by a superior fighter not a weight issue but styles makes fights.
Canelo's loss had nothing to do with diet and everything to do with style, gameplan, and the limitations of his own body. It's been covered up a bit by how average his competition has been at 168, but Canelo's gas tank and footwork have been really weighed down by fighting at higher weight classes. He just can't keep his style up for 12 straight rounds, and when you are fighting a guy like Bivol, someone who actually has decent power and a well rounded skillset, Canelo just doesn't have the ability to deal with them like he would at 160. He gasses too hard and since his power is less based on natural ability and more based on his skills, timing and leverage, he really has to bank on lining up a perfect punch or catching someone on a counter. That's much easier to do with guys like BJS and Plant, who don't have near the offensive skillset that Bivol does
I weigh 183lbs and I have weigh 168lbs with the same levels of body fat and exercise routine. I am faster and much stronger at 183lbs at 6'. There is a point of diminishing returns where too much weight starts to slow you and take the snap off your punches. For a guy Bivols size I would expect a lot of speed at power if he weighed 180-185 lbs on fight night. Canelo is hitting the upper level of what his frame can hold and still retain his speed and cardio,
Canelo started fighting at welterweight in Mexico. Won titles as a welterweight in Mexico, titles at Superwelter, Middleweight, Supermiddle weight and Lt.heavyweight. Prior to Canelo, Kovalev only lost to Andre Ward, one by decision, the 2nd by KO. This coming from a fighter who is only 5'8" tall.
He wasn't that much bigger than canelo. Caleb Plant Sergey Kovalev and Callum Smith are bigger than Bivol and Canelo had no problem w/ them. Bivol is a small lhw more of a supermiddleweight. Bivol won by skill. He was the more skilled superior boxer.
@@daebak7370 "no problem" Canelo was losing to both Kovalev and Plant before he KO'd them. Canelo rely too much on his power, Bivol didn't give him the opportunity to get that classic late KO
@@TheGayJesus he's more skilled than canelo. Bivol didnt barely beat canelo he dominated him like noone has before and that wasn't even the best version of bivol either. Size? Canelo has beaten bigger dudes than bivol its just excuses.
true but 57-3 is still a great record. personally his style is what makes him one of my favorites, as and argentinean i only wish he would have fought chino maidana; woulda been a bloodfest.
Pretty sure Djokovic is vegan now. Has been Gluten free for years. However, Canelo didn't lose due to a diet 😂. He lost due to struggling against a very good technical boxer with enough pop on his punches. Rematch goes the same way at 175 or 168 unless Canelo pays the judges even more this time 😉
He's not vegan, he said it himself he mostly eats plant based foods along with some fish. He doesn't even like to be labeled a vegan. Search for texts or interviews with Novak on this subject.
My only issue with people is the excuses for Canelo post fight. His game plan weight diet juice ECT didn't diminish his boxing abilities that are second nature for him at this juncture of his long & illustrious career. The better boxer won from round one through twelve. He tried from the outside to the center of the ring to land scoring blows & counter punches all night. He was outboxed in every facet of the game imaginable. Footwork combinations accuracy jabbing distance management level changes feinting movement ring IQ speed changes counter punching TIMING even the exchanges while inside fighting Canelo was clearly frustrated all night. Defensively he was outclassed as well Bivol's guard is beautiful and his consistency is impeccable I'm shocked that most people thought Canelo would actually stop him no one gave him a chance. Canelo is an incredible boxer but let's be honest I've not seen Canelo get outclassed that badly since Erislandy Lara was robbed. Weight is not in any way a valid excuse especially given the fact that Bivol can easily make 168 & is currently trying to go down to take his belts. He's a small man for his weight class. Canelo was simply outsmarted & outboxed. I couldn't even give him two rounds (rewatched the fight twice now) which is astonishing. The judges were looking to rob Bivol from the outset perusal but they couldn't. If they rematch you'll see the same thing except I assume Canelo will approach the fight with more offensive aggression & get eventually get stopped at any weight they decide to fight at.
It’s crazy the disrespect Bivol was getting especially from people in boxing nobody gave him a chance! I just feel like when it comes to Canelo everyone expects him to win that’s why most boxers were just saying Canelo will beat Bivol but yet these people are giving him props now seriously? If you watch enough boxing then Bivol winning is not a surprise I said if Canelo wins I’d be surprised and even more surprised if he could outbox Bivol. Would like to see Bivol against the winner of Beterbiev-Joe smith
Bivol really shed light on Canelo’s stamina. He throws so heavy that he fades by the 7th-8th round. I hope he gets back to setting up his power punches instead of continuing to be the gunslinger he has become.
i actually disagree with the dude by saying canelo lost because of going vegan this undermines bivol's masterful performance Bivol is underrated killer canelo was taking a huge risk going up weight classes no boxing expert was shocked because they knew how good bivol is but you gotta give credit to canelo for taking such risks
I agree with you, I was hoping for a little more nuance from this clip lol. At no point did Canelo look to tired to execute, Bivol just didn’t give him any opportunity.
Been saying that Bivol is Canelos biggest challenge since GGG. I was expecting the beautiful jabs. What I didn't expect was the counters. The combos. The defense. Bivol was dominant. His diet and size might of made a difference but probably not.
@@daebak7370 Canelo’s fought plenty of skilled and fast handed fighters. He’s never fought anyone as big as Bivol is with his length who is that skilled. It was the size. If Bivol was Canelo’s size he wouldn’t present much of a challenge for him
@@hurricaneNOIZE canelo has beaten bigger and longer fighters. Bivol is shorter and has much shorter reach than Callum Smith yet canelo had absolutely no problem with him. I agree bivol durabioty is major factor. He wasnt even moved by canelo power punches couldn't break his guard. The hypothetical scenario doesn't work here. If manny pacquiao and floyd mayweather were canelo size they would make even easier work of canelo.
@@daebak7370 Canelo’s error was in thinking he could bully Bivol at 175 like he did everyone at 168, which was extremely foolish and arrogant really. Loaded up on most of his punches and gassed out looking for the KO instead of actually boxing to win rounds and it played right into Bivol’s gameplan. The extra weight/size was a key factor. Canelo was too confident in his power and patient thinking eventually Bivol would fold like everyone at 168 did, but nope. Meanwhile Bivol was scoring points and capitalizing on the smaller gassed fighter-which he admitted himself post-fight he was surprised that Canelo just threw power shots and got tired. As for Bivol not feeling/respecting Canelo’s power, I disagree. He was on the back foot in double high guard for most of the fight when Canelo pressed him despite being the bigger man. He also fought the most conservative and cautious fight he’s ever fought, which isn’t just because. Obviously he was weary the entire fight of Canelo’s power and capability of possibly changing the fight with a single shot. It was actually Canelo who had his gloves down a lot when Bivol pressed him, due in large part to fatigue, but you don’t lower your guard if you know your opponents as the power to KO you or shake you
@@hurricaneNOIZE i dont understand why there are excuses with the bivol fight but there aren't with the kovalev fight. can you quit the nonsense and accept that bivol totally dominated canelo. the funny part is that right after the canelo fight he went onto dominate zurdo ramirez who is like 4 inches taller than bivol, has a long reach and is a southpaw. and ramirez was weighing 200lbs on that night. no more excuses about size. there are plenty of fighters who went up in weight and won against taller opponents.
@@mycrazylife408 Mayweather definitely lost that. Trinidad lost his to Dela Hoya. I would argue Cesar Chavez has a couple of gifts against Whitaker and LaPorte. Robberies are nothing new.
Canelo simply was outboxed by a true light heavyweight that's in his prime. Congratulations to Bivol. No excuses. You guy's must be getting paid by sponsors of Canelo with all the praise you give a man who tested positive and won a few controversial fights by corrupt judge's.
They give praise because they where true talent is. A man that is NOT afraid to fight and take risks unlike others (Charlos, Mayweather etc..) who avoided people in their prime. NELO tested positive because the beef in Mexico is forcefully fed onto animals for growth. And lastly, corrupt judges you say lol. That's why they are the judges and you are just a hating fan because you don't know shyt about boxing lol. P.S This coming from a black man! I'm a true analyst NOT a color blind kid like you. NELO is the best and he tried reaching to far for greatness and fought a bigger, stronger, natural light heavyweight champion. You're a casual and simply don't know shyt about boxing.... NELO is the man regardless with the Bivol loss.
Roy Jones was once undisputed. Tested positive not for slightly elevated levels of testosterone, but with levels more than 4x elevated, and they did nothing to him. And even he fell apart when he fluctuated through divisions and chose very careful opponents in the higher divisions he went to even with elevated levels of T 4x + suggesting serious anabolic usage. They aren’t excuses. Weight classes exist for a reason
Joe is always talking about his old fighting days, boy I sure would love to see a video or two of his fights. See if Joe is just living fantasy about how good he was or, if he was legit.
u can watch him hit bags when he’s older and he’s a killer with them gsp learned turning side kick from joe himself look it up also you can find him ko someone on youtube back when he was doing TKD
It's becoming clear as to why you are waiting to get Devon Larratt on your show. Much respect for letting the arm wrestling podcasts talk to him first. Just watched Ryan blue's podcast. Was great. One day we'll see Devon on your show.
@@sportingminds3311 he did its like he forgot lol at the beginning of the interview it was a 2 on 1 with joe taking the side of the guy who “debunked” the movie then after the director was absolutely demolishing every agrument he had then joe started simmering down lmao it was hilarious that was a great episode.
@@WhoudiniDaGOD Interesting I kind of saw it the other way around. The guy who debunked game changers understands scientific/medical research way more than that director which was extremely apparent to me being in the medical field and doing research myself. However the Director did bring up a lot of good points to things that that guy had said and that guy basically said they were good points and admitted that. But most of those things were pretty minor semantics.
Canelo is a champ he’s a king 👑 he will come back stronger and smarter Shoutout to Bivol he’s also a champ and humble but I believe Canelo is just different he learns a lot from mistakes and losses I believe he can win
Ya he will, however he won’t beat bivol. He won’t beat bivol. Canelo is a beast and he’s destined for greatness, he keeps going up and up. But he just won’t beat bivol
@@stoinge no not at all. I say bivol , beterbiev and possibly benavidez are fighters that canelo should definitely stay away from. I won money on that fight. 5/1 aswell. Total respect to canelo for attempting. He did a number on kovalev at 175. But inn my honest opinion. Kovalev was the weakest at 175. Canelo will never beat bivol. He’s used to hitting guy’s and hurting them. Bivol washed him
It was the diet along with strategy. They were actually fighting on even terms until canelo gassed in the 6th round. Then bivol being fresher was able to pull away.
@@carloandreaguilar5916 yeah... but the videos of ben hitting the pads before the jake paul fight was literally the ONLY time ben EVER looked good (at least passable) striking.
Highlights aren't enough to see how good someone like Bivol is. U had to watch his whole fights. He beat Canelo the exact same way he beat his last opponents, jabbing and moving
I love Rogan but he is so off with Boxing in regards to providing correct information, Canelo was on a transition from Welterweight 147lb to 154lb and it was his team that agreed the weight to push for the fight against Mayweather!
"There's no real elite professional athlete..." Novak Djokovic is vegan and he's elite professional athlete. Tennis is one of the most demanding sports, season is all year long, playing 4-6hr matches. Ok, Joe you need to Google that little bit.
Cycling. There's a few and it's all endurance and watts/kg. I was an amateur and eating 4000-5000 daily to maintain weight sounds near impossible on a vegan diet
imagine if he ate meat. he would have been knocking fools out! no need to fight Pacquiao 3x because he would have Loved him the first before Marquez did the job.
we cant use the weight as an excuse tho, bivol was really good at defence. canelo was fcking all arm hunting out there. i dont know who bivol is but we need to give the credit to him and his skills
It’s not about the weight because canelo already won a fight at 175 it’s just about skill bivol is the better boxer and people who actually watch boxing and know who bivol was before the fight knew he was goin to win
@@ericcoats4890 Cause he humble and don't talk shit about him , even in defeat there are way worse thing that can happen, it just that Bivol is humble and don't trash canelo after he beat him....
