@@Henry_44which one you want to buy out of R7 & R8 for making videos for Instagram & RU-vid ? Which one gives video quality like a pro video camera? For video purpose which one is best?
@@Henry_44i was shooting with the R8 last weekend im 4k 60. altought there is no 30 minute limit, the camera started to overheat around 40 min. The batterie dies also very fast, around 45 min.
I'm a very happy R7 owner. The R8 has so many compromises. The battery is easily the biggest, but also there is no shutter to close while the R7 closes its shutter when shut down so you can swap lenses with more piece of mind. R7 has 3 custom modes (each for video and photos) and the R8 has 2. IBIS can actually be a liability for video but it's good for photos.
The shutter issue can be „fixed“ by starting manual sensor cleaning and shutting it off during the process. The lens changing problems i dont have, except for the RF 800 F11 i only use EF (S) lenses with a Meike Filter adapter, i change lenses whenever i want without caring at all.
I'm doing my review tomorrow. I just picked up an R8 for my wife we were going to send it back because I found the R6 for $1,699! Being an R5 shooter for the last 3 years I know the best way to set up the camera from weddings to Wildlife. I have to say that the R8 is an absolutely amazing camera and coming from the R5. We took it out of the box just to look at it and after playing with it 45 minutes I was astonished. It has all the little settings that took me about 18 months to figure out on the Canon R5 pretty much ready to go on the R8. Came and did a phenomenal job with this menu system and with the plethora of features. All I can say is we will not be returning it and I'm glad that my wife has a camera that we can do everything from bird photography. Not only Stills but birds in flight! She's coming from the Canon RP and this is a huge step up because I honestly think that for her situation from doing weddings, wildlife, and a lot of bird photography that we do for fun this is a perfect fit. I'm actually a little envious even though I have the Canon R5
@@carlosr.2027 they are both great cameras. The R6 is had alot more PRO features. But, it all comes down to what's best for you. For instance me personally I would pick the R6 Mark 1. Now my wife on the other hand which it's her first year for tography the R8 is a lot better for her because it's a Snappy and faster autofocus. It is a newer autofocus system. Not to say that the R5 and R6 have crappy systems. They are phenomenal but they are also way more customizable. And you also get to SD card slots. In the end they both are very feature-rich. I hope some of this helps.
I own the R8 and love it. While the battery is smaller but who really doesn’t own a few batteries even on the bigger rigs with bigger batteries. The IBIS to me isn’t a big deal with most (not all) RF lenses already having image stabilization that mitigates the lack of it in body. I bought the regular grip for the bottom of the camera and feels great. Very happy thus far with this new powerhouse.
@@mothamaster3000 which one you want to buy out of R7 & R8 for making videos for Instagram & RU-vid ? Which one gives video quality like a pro video camera? For video purpose which one is best?
Great review, thanks. Something that is almost never talked about when comparing Canon FF and APS-C cameras is "TCO". All existing EF-S lenses work perfectly on the R7 at full 32Mpix resolution. That means on R7/R10/R50 you can use all the inexpensive yet great EF-S lenses (24mm F2.8, 60mm F2.8, 10-18mm, 55-250mm, 18-135mm ...). Whereas on FF, you might probably end up spending much more on FF lenses, especially if you need to match the total range "10-250mm" of Canon EF-S lenses (16-400mm equiv. FF) at native resolution (EF-S lenses produce heavily cropped images on FF). So, my 2 cents: if you are on a budget and not a professional, think carefully about the cost of lenses you will need when deciding about the camera body you want to buy. I totally agree with FF being much better in low light situations but, in general, APS-C quality/price ratio is much higher than on FF. Ken Rockwell has written about it for more than a decade. Ask yourself : "What percentage of pictures will I take in low light situations? 10% ? Maybe I'd better invest in lighting gear. Do I need only one lens or will I buy many ? Will I really print in huge sizes ? Do I need super fast F1.2 lenses ?". In the end, you might reconsider your choice and go for APS-C.
I shoot 99.99% of the time at ISO 12,800 to 25,600 without flash on my EOS R. I shoot my pets and the EOS R doesn't focus on animal eyes. When I use my Canon 600EX II-RT speedlight angled from a ceiling or wall, the ISO won't go above 1600. But I don't want to always have to use speedlight. So for me it has to be R8 or R6 Mark II. Or even a used R6. And leave my EOS R for shooting outdoors during the day.
@@michelecintramika8482 Yes, you then need a FF, but you are also definitely ready to shell out thousands of EUR/USD for your requirements. Many couldn't.
How about lenses for the R8 thats not FF lenses, and old EF-S lenses with the adapter? Any native aps-c lenses from Canon? Are we still told there will be no 3rd party lenses for the R-system?
Hi HRJ, great video. I am a happy owner of R6 M2 and i was checking out which one is preferable to buy as a secondary camera so i can use both simultaneously with my RF lense 24-70 f2.8. Happy to find out that R8 processor is like R6 but my concern is the battery type and the one card slot. So my question is which is better for action sports (basketball preferable) to use with my RF lense 24-70 F.2.8. (On my R6 i use 70-200 F2,8 and I am very satisfied with the result).
For the past week I'm deciding which to buy, R8 and R7. Last May 1, just decided to purchase the R8 over the R7. Love the images I produced. The reason why I chose R8 is because it's a full frame camera and have a sensor like the R6 Mark II. IBIS, card slot and battery are no big deal for me. The mechanical shutter is the only big deal for me that lacks on the R8. My lenses are all designed for full frame that's why I went with R8.
@@ClockBestEvent which one you want to buy out of R7 & R8 for making videos for Instagram & RU-vid ? Which one gives video quality like a pro video camera? For video purpose which one is best?
Just a nit pick, but I think as reviewers, you've got to stop calling full frame an 'upgrade' as it implies that all crop sensor cameras are a downgrade. That isn't true. You said it yourself in the review - The R7, being a crop sensor camera, is for a particular user. It is a tool, for a specific job. Would you say a phillips screw driver is a downgrade to a flat head? In a fully controlled environment/situation, where the subject is guaranteed to fill the frame, a full frame will most likely beat an APSC camera, however, unless you're in the 45MP territory, by the time you've cropped a full frame image to match that of an APSC, the differences in image quality, mainly due to ISO performance, can hand the advantage to the APSC, especially if a bigger print is needed.
Thank you for this comment because it really keeps putting me off when I keep hearing full frame Cameras are better, although I heard full frame are more professional
Hyun, Appreciate your comparison and will watch for your R8 full review. I had the R6 but sold it recently (when i got a good offer for it). Wasn’t really bowled over by it. I have the R7 which i use for bird photography. But the problem is i’ve also used Nikons and am impressed with their photo output. am open to switching brands for my main multi-use camera.
Thank you for sharing this informative video. I'm curious to know which camera would be best for vlogging. I'm looking for one that can shoot 4K video at 60fps, has a long-lasting battery, exceptional autofocus, effective sensor stabilization, and excellent low-light performance. hmm It looks like a mix of R7 and R8.
Great comparison, I am still a happy R7 user for my vids and have as B-Cam the R10. I was thinking about to sell the R10 and get the R8 instead but somehow the R10 does not have any overheating issues when I use it and the R8 seems to struggle there a bit more. But still, for photography the R8 could be interesting. Let’s see, have a great weekend, cheers
How do you like the R10? I have an old M6 Mark II which is great for traveling and was thinking of upgrading. Trying to decide on it, R7 or R8. My Studio Camera is an R5
@@pianosfilipem when I made this comment I did NOT own an R8, but was nervous about overheating. Do rock the R8 now since couple of month as a B-Cam. In 4K 25p it does overheat after about 1hour and 20 minutes. Overhearing warning turns on after about 30-40 minutes. So it does overheat which is also mentioned by canon
I'm not a fan of the RF-S lineup for two main reasons: very limited native lens selection, 1.6x crop instead of 1.5x. R7 also has too many megapixels leading to poor lowlight performance and slow readout. R8 is just the perfect entry-level hybrid full-frame camera with very balanced performance.
If your available glass is crop frame, grabbing an R8 means having to sell all of it to pay an arm and a knee for full frame lenses, and all of that for a glorified R10 body. It's easy to drool over the full frame sensor but it also costs more to use it.
Great Content: If you purchase a camera today, would you recommend the sony fx3 or the canon r6 mark ii for doc/vlog content or any other suggestions? I also like to take pictures on occasion. Thanks
I already have an R10 that I've kitted out to be a cinema camera for my needs, and I'm looking for an A cam to have the R10 be the B cam in shoots. The R8 has some alluring features for the price but honestly, someone like me has 3 avenues. 1. Save up and go for an R6 II, of course selling my crop frame ef glass along the way, cost 2500 for the body and say another 2 to 3 grand to make up replacing the lenses with full frame equivalents (keeping some crop frame lenses for the B cam) 2. Go for an R8 and do the same thing regarding the lenses as above 3. Go for an R7, which is as feature rich as an R6, without having to spend anything on new lenses since I'll be able to interchange them between it and the R10. I'll just buy a focal reducer. Considering a focal reducer and the fact I have a lot of crop frame really fast glass that gains even more aperture from a such reducer, an R7 feels more appropriate. Besides, bigger battery, IBIS, a more substantial body, 2 card slots etc just add more. The decision for a body really depends on one's circumstances, it's dumb to me when I see so many people downplay how good the R7 is just cause "hurr not ff".
I'm an enthusiastic photography hobbiest. I've been a Nikon DSLR DX shooter since 2004. Prior to that, I shot 35mm film with the old Minolta Maxxum series. I've never owned (only once rented) a full-frame DSLR (Nikon D750 FX), nor have I ever used a modern digital mirrorless camera. The closest I've ever come to mirrorless is my ten-year old Sony DSC-RX100m3 (a great little pocket-sized point-&-shoot digital camera. I've given all of my Nikon DSLR gear to my youngest child (daughter) for her 18th birthday / Christmas present - she's the only one of my children who ever showed any interest in photography, and she actually expressed a strong desire for my Nikon DSLR gear when I started my eBay listings to sell it off. She'd already been making use of it to shoot a lot of her H.S. club activities and sporting events. I must say she does have a pretty darned good photographic eye. Now, I'm in the market for Canon mirrorless digital photography gear. I'm a lot more interested in still photography over video, but I do want good video capability. I've been leaning heavily towards full-framed vs. APS-C cropped senor cameras, as I want better low-light performance and more depth-of-field control. I think I want the Canon EOS R6m2, but I have to admit that given all my Nikon DSLR DX experience, the EOS R7 does intrigue me, too. I shoot all kinds of subjects, but mostly all types of scenic landscapes, people, sports, a lot indoors and in the evening. Any recommendations?
What should be noted: In many countries outside the US the R7 is cheaper than the R8. Here in austria the price was some weeks ago for the R7 about 1450€ and for the R8 1850€, a noticable price difference.
Great video. By the way, you mentioned that the R8 has a 30min record limit in 4k60p... It doesn't. The camera will probably overheat under normal conditions before you even reach 30min. But if you can maintain the camera cool enough, you definitely can record passed 30min.
which one you want to buy out of R7 & R8 for making videos for Instagram & RU-vid ? Which one gives video quality like a pro video camera? For video purpose which one is best?
Both cameras can do exactly that. In terms of quality, probably overkill for social media. I'd personally go with the R8 because of the full frame sensor.
Are there any APSC lenses for the R7 other than the 2 from Canon (which seem OK, but not great). Seems that Canon actually wants you to go FF. I would buy the R7 in a minute if it had small and weatherproof lenses. R8 seems like a decent camera if you don’t need an IBIS (suspect several lenses with it are fine for static shots). I never really cared about the 30 minute limit in my other cameras, so not really an issue. Nice overview!
Most people (including myself) that I know who have bought the R7 have bought it for the extra "reach" that APS-C and high megapixels give you. No interest whatsoever in shooting wide angle with it, or using APS-C lenses.
How is R7 with telephoto lenses upto 400-600mm ? For day to day city/landscape and bird photography and with good telephoto lens what would you suggest, R7 or R8?
Canon r8 has 30minute recording limit, despite the fact that it can be powered externally. It cuts the usb feed artificially at 30minute mark. Re-initiating the usb recording allows the recording to restart another 30minute limit. This limit is artificial and has nothing to do with heat. So in theory, it can record unlimited, but every 30minute mark, a manual intervention is required. There is a video about it in youtube.
A really good comparison to others on RU-vid. Really helpful to me (an M50 user). To me getting toward, R8--- obviously make sense. It is a clear winner in low light and semi-professional use. Only one lack------if you go for a Vlog test it will be more clear like IBIS wabbles. However, thanks a lot...................🙂🙂🙂
It’s not though. It lacks IBIS, duel camera slots and has horrible battery life . All things you’d want for any professional use. Check out Josh sattins video on it. It’s barely usable as even a studio cam and that’s even if you plug it into a power supply
@@evansalmonsen No, I think all camera users keep extra two/three batteries with them and it will do our job. If I am just a content creator then R8 with 24-105mm F4-7.1 & 35mm f1.8 will do my job. Alternatively, R7 with 18-150mm and 16 mm F2.8 will not do that job,
@@evansalmonsen Canons IBIS is so wobbly on the edges, the R7 has a major issue with it and EF lenses with built in stabilisation, as well as manual lenses - if you have a gimbal then your video will look at lot better soley with lens stabilisation
Hello and thanks for this review. I'm also a happy owner of the R7, and satisfied that you defined it as a successor to the 7d and 7dii, despite some reviewers who call it inferior to them. I don't understand why they say that. For video i think the R7 is more preferrable to the R8, due to IBIS, double card slots, decent quality in low light up to 6400 ISO despite the aps-c factor and 35% more pixels. Obviously the R8 is a very useful camera, but no need for some to underrate the R7. I shoot professional videos for TV in Greece.
I am struggling in which one to buy. I want to be able to take photos for sports and wildlife which the R7 is good for but I also want to take pictures in the city at night like neon stuff. Would the R7 still be good for that?
It's been 4 months, so you might have already pulled the trigger on one, but I agree with the poster. The R7 sounds like the right camera. A full frame is generally better in low light, but mainly because of the higher ISOs you need to expose correctly - - and it's these higher ISO settings that introduce more noise in the smaller crop sensor cameras like the R7 has (though it is FAR better than older crop sensors). It's important to understand that shooting in low light in and of itself is not the issue; it's the settings the camera must be set at to capture the scene in low light that becomes the issue. If your subject is a city, buildings, lights, etc. - - subjects that aren't moving, then you don't need high ISO settings to capture those scenes. Throw the R7 on a tripod and use longer exposure times. It will be just as good as a full frame sensor. Now, if you're big into action photography as well - sports and wildlife you mention, then the R7 sounds like the right camera for you between the two. The R7 and R8 are almost identically priced in most markets, so I can understand how choosing between the two can be difficult. Understand that a full frame sensor adds a lot of cost to a camera, so the R8 must be giving up something else in order to come in at the same price as the R7. That would be features. The R7 is currently - - and likely will remain the flagship crop-sensor camera in Canon's mirrorless "R" line (Just like the 7D was in the DSLR lineup). All the features you find on the most high-end in the lineup - - - just with a crop sensor. Meanwhile, the R8 is an entry-level full frame mirrorless design. Bottom line, if action is what you like to shoot, I'd go with the R7 for sure. The R8 *_MIGHT_* have better image quality for other things like landscapes, portraits, things like that, but the R7 will do a fine job on things like that as well. The R7 will have a clear advantage in the action photography space. That's my two cents. Are the features more important to you, or is the image quality inherent in full frame sensors more important? Answer that, and you'll know which camera to get. If you want both image quality and features, you're gonna have to cough up about another grand!!
@crazybanana2228 Great! I have the 7D Mkii. The R7 is the mirrorless successor to my camera. It's probably what I'll upgrade to. You have the best crop sensor mirrorless camera Canon makes - and Canon being one of the best camera makers that exists, sounds like a good decision.
If this ISO test were done indoors with artificial light, the difference between the R8 and the R7 would be huge at ISO 12,800 to 25,600. But under these conditions, any camera today does well.
You can get incredible results with which ever body you go with. I’ve done shoots with APSC bodies (Fuji XT3, XT4, and Canon R7) and FF (Sony A7iii and Canon RP) and none of my clients can tell the difference and loved the final results. Cameras are tools, you use them to present your vision/style
i feel sorry for everyone who bought the R8. it doesn't seem to be good at anything. Battery is bad, No IBIS, No Mech. Shutter, No Joystick, only 24mp, etc. why did canon made this camera
JMPO, but I think this is comparing apples to oranges. These are just completely different cameras, which are best for totally different types of shooting. I own two R7's and they are absolutely the best "for my purposes". But for a lot of other folks, the R8 might be the best choice.
They are two different cameras - - - BUT they belong to the same R mirrorless line at the same price-point, so if you are working within a budget, it is absolutely appropriate that these two cameras be compared. If the cost is what you want to spend, it would be helpful to know the difference between the two cameras. You actually articulate perfectly the reason such a comparison is merited. Two cameras. Same product line (mirrorless R series). Same price. If you knew nothing about either one, wouldn't you want to know what the differences are, so you know which one is better for you?
You need to upgrade to a medium format if you shoot professional , I wouldn't shoot full frame for my personal photos. The difference between medium and full frame is night and day, medium is much better
Can same one explain to me why would you buy canon apsc body knowing there’s no lenses for it🤔🤣. Canon only makes good lenses forfull frame😳 witch you can afford 😢
It’s a good question, and I do wish I could get some compact fast primes for travel like I had on the M5. That said, I use the R7 in combination with my full frame R bodies and share lenses across them all. I have found the R7 to work incredibly well with all my EF glass, too, which now get the bonus of either a control ring or drop-in filters.
@@Mariner1460 that is my point, you bought apsc body and you are forced to use full frame lenses. even if you have money to buy them but they still to big🧐
@@ramunasvalancius5455 I wouldn't say I'm "forced" to use full frame lenses. I choose to use them. That was my point. "Still to big" for what? Travel, yes, I agree. Everything else, not a problem. I'm guessing not your thing, but I can tell you that the R7 behind a 70-200 f/2.8 or 400 f/2.8 is spectacular. If you must have small image circle lenses, then I have found the Sigma f/1.8 zooms to also work very well on the R7. Yes, this camera is not for everybody, but it fits great into my overall kit.
@@Mariner1460 if works for you, great I'm happy for you😀. for me dos not make sense, 50mm 1.2 £2600. 85mm 1,2 lens cost £3000😭. were is fuji 56mm1.2 lens cost £999. like you said if you adding R7 to existing F Frame collection .then maybe. I was in the past canon shooter still have EF canon cameras and lenses, but now RF system for me to expensive. currently using XT3 very happy. less money, smaller system, same results😀
In all honesty I believe the R8 is built specific for those who want to shoot video. The specs are just good enough for video editing with uncropped 4k 10 bit color and clog. I am disappointed in the 24 megapixel sensor as I figured all of the R series would make the leap to 32 but I’m sure it will work fine with full frame.
I'm in the same situation. At first I thought nah there isn't enough new/upgraded features to justify the price jump. The dynamic range difference is not that huge, the RP's AF is pretty good, and who needs to shoot so many frames a second? But then I found out about some details that aren't often mentioned, like aspect markers in video (so you can frame your videos in 1:1 to pano aspect ratios and even vertical, instead of being just stuck with 16:9 or having to guess how things will look like once cropped)... detection-only AF in video (no re-focusing to the background when your subject moves out of the frame)... dark/bright modes for multiple exposure comps... focus breathing compensation with certain lenses... live depth-of-field preview in EVF for photo instead of having to dedicate and each time press a button for it... chromatic abberation correction added to the RF lens correction profiles... These are actually very useful features that the RP doesn't have. But are they worth it? Does it make an actual difference in your photography process or is it simple enough to work around the RP's compared limitations? I'm still on the fence tbh.
@@lsamoa yes, exactly. As much as I’d love to get the R8, I find more value in buying a new lens. I just recently went all native RF lenses, and the image quality that the RP bangs out with native RF glass is excellent. Perhaps if I can get the R8 on sale and a good trade-in value for my RP, I’d buy it, but I can’t justify spending $2000 Canadian on it right now. (Meanwhile they still sell the RP for around $1200 CAD, which is a steal for a compact full frame).
@@JayCatterson Just to say that I tried the R8 yesterday and tbh I wasn't that impressed. It's more plasticky than the RP and the image IQ is the same. The AF is quite good though, but other than that, the extra features were a bit underwhelming and definitely not worth the money. So I'm definitely sticking with the RP.
@@lsamoa well I guess that explains why the R8 is lighter than the RP! That’s crazy it felt more plasticky (read: cheap?). Anyway I’m still curious about it, but I’ll prob only buy it at this point if my RP all of a sudden dies and I need a new R series body. Thanks for letting me know!
