The Rose Pro SL Disc 2000 and Canyon Endurace AL 6.0 Disc are among the best value disc brake bikes available, so we ordered in one of each and set about working out which is our favourite. It was not easy.
This was one of the reviews that made me, a then complete newbie to road bikes, buy the pro sl disc 2 years ago. now the only thing left original is basically the frame. it got upgraded to ultegra/duraace di2, carbon dt swiss wheels, lightweight stem, saddle, seatpost and other expensive nice stuff. at one point i considered switching to a new carbon bike but actually i love the looks and fit (like a glove) of the frame and invested the money in nicer componentes instead. and completely happy and still love the bike. it now really feels like my own. from the leftover parts, together with a nice new steel frame, i build a gravel bike, so nothing was wasted.
I bought a Canyon AL 8 and love it! Climbs great (lighter than the disc brake model & has Ultegra too)and great for cruzing on long rides and smashing your Strava PB'S....
I just bought the AL DISC 6.0 at £1199 (now rebadged as AL DISC 7.0 for 2018 @ £1349)! Regarding the comment about rim vs disc brakes, the other difference is the disc versions come with 28mm tyres, the rim brake versions come with 25mm tyres. I didn't necessarily need disc brakes, but I wanted the bigger tyres (and clearances) to allow for some light off roading and for more comfort and grip when on the road. Potholes are a big problem where I live! Having said that, the rim brake version (AL 7.0), is excellent value, at £979 including Ultegra, as well as the AL 6.0 at £819 (105)! Overall I'm very pleased with the AL DISC 6.0, it's smooth and comfy, and at 1.9m and 100kg, the wider bars and levers are fine for me. It's the most I've ever spent on a cycle but it's worth it just for the improvement in comfort.
I love these in-depth reviews that look beyond just specs! And since the cyclocross season is coming up soon, are you guys planning to do a review on some of the new models in about the same price-bracket as the bikes in this video?
I have to agree with your comment about mudguard eyelets. Why manufacturers fail to fit them to bikes in this price range with this equipment is beyond me. That said why don’t they add a discrete rackmount so that A very light weight rack could be fitted if needed. I think manufacturers are a little arrogant. They need a slapping around the chops and dragging into the real world of cycle commuting.
I bought the Canyon 6.0 disc in early July 2021. It's now October 14th. So far I only have about 850 miles on the bike. I love the ride but I had to replace the front derailleur cable at 700 miles as it shredded at the end of the cable. Prior to replacing the cable I had constant trouble with chain rub. After replacing the cable it rides fine
Thanks for the video. It's not up to date anymore but it still shows in which direction the bikes are going. I guess the newest versions are similar quality (?). The frame of the Canyon is much nicer - the back looks like a part of the frame and not as if it was attached after the bike was finished.
I have to wonder, what is the major difference between these two manufacturers and a CAAD 12? I know this review focused on direct-order manufacturers, but I'm stuck between Rose, Canyon, and Cannondale.
Please compare with Trek Domane/Emonda ALR, Specialized Diverge Elite E5 (gear ratios different here), Cannondale Synapse Alloy. Any good review of comparative warranty and services?
Rim brakes limit your tire width. It's less than the disc version. I think it's limited to 25 on rims, while 30 is the theoretical limit of disc (practical limit would be about 34-35).
I think getting 28mm tyres on the rimbrake version shouldn't be much of an issue, if you move the wheels through the calipers with deflated tyres and pump them up afterwards.
Thanks for the video. Can I ask how tall are you, what's your inseam length and what size frame you ride with the Canyon? I'm 69 inches tall with a 30 inch inseam. Canyon's website recommend a XS size frame, which I bought. I've been riding the 2021 Endurace AL 6.0 disc since the end of June and, at this point, I'm wondering if the frame may be too small. How do I know for sure?
To be fair I switched my Canyon's Continental tires for the Vittoria ones. 5000km in I still loved them much more. The continentals were a bit faster but I had so much punctures for the 500km I rode them and were more unsafe in the wet. The Vittoria tires are more comfortable, have had 4 punctures for 5000km and also slip less in the wet.
I think it has to be mentioned that Rose has QR at the back while the Canyon has TA. Not a dealbreaker but ideally you would want TAs with disc brakes.
I think TA's are really important and maaybe even a dealbreaker at the back. My current bike is QR - next time it will be TA because of this reason. Taking the rear wheel off and on... if you don't get it precisely 100% same each time you remount you can end up with brake rub on your discs. It is a bit of a pain.
Yes, just to be ready for the future, although I've yet to feel any difference between the two. There is no data that proves QR dropout designs perform more poorly on a road bike.
radiantRadish shame, the canyon al 7.0 were my dream bike! Perfect combination of fair price and great components with a beautiful frame. Now the canyon 8.0 will cost 2050 dolar shipping included
how about buying a really expensive bike that has been used for years? I have been looking at videos that talk about what to look for when buying a used bike, but I am still unsure what is the best buy. I am an active student with neither a lot of time nor money (pricerange around 1500-2500 USD). I just want a stiff lightweight quick bike (no comfort) for 35 min commuting.
if you arent into comfort there is not much need to buy an expensive carbon framed bike. keep in mind, the more expensive it gets, the more expensive it will be to buy replacement components, especially valid fact to consider when you buy a used bike. a 105 derailleur is like 50€, a dura-ace di2 one costs ten times that.
How on earth do you measure yourself for a mail,order bike ? I thought trying before you buy was a must especially if you’ve never sat on a bike for a long time . I thought you had to have a bike fit
The Rose will fit a real 32mm (gp 4000 sII 28mm on the 19mm DX1650 wheels is almost 32mm) in the front, and easily on the back. the canyon might have even a little more clearance.
I never noticed before that bikes with brake disks have a hole in the fork for internal routing of the brake cable on the front. Hmmmm another good reason to prefer rim brakes !
Tiny guy is doing great, honest reviews. Seriously, all conspiracy theorists with that "they are just endorcing the manufacturers that pay for advertisments" blah blah should watch some videos of his.
The Disc 7.0 is the 2018 version of the Disc 6.0. Essentially the same spec except it now has a 50x34 chainring instead of 52x36 & weighs 8.6 kg instead of 8.8 kg. Also €100 more expensive.
If the 7.0 is the newer version of 6.0, what about the 8.0 that's also available? The 8.0 has Ultegra instead of 105, 52x36 chainrings, and unfortunately a snazzy red color instead of the gorgeous blue that the 7.0 is available in. It's cruel of them to make me choose between Ultegra and a blue frame, can't they offer more colors for all their bikes? The frame seems to be the same anyway.
Hmm, I always hear the mention of cheap carbon bike, but I rarely hear the mention of what carbon bikes that fall in that category. Take Canyon Endurace for example, the SL comes with a lower grade carbon whereas the SLX comes with their higher grade carbon, so does this mean the Endurace is their cheap carbon bike hence = the alu model mentioned here is better (ignoring the weight)? Or Specialized with their Fact 9r, 10r and 11r (S-Works), so if the bike comes specced with 9r = cheap carbon bike? but a few years ago, 9r is their mid-tier and high-tier carbon layup. So my point is, what are the examples of cheap carbon bikes?
Omar Tan that's exactly what I was thinking. My Giant TCR advanced costed as much as these bikes (but with Tiagra). It is indeed a cheap carbon bike, but it weighs much less, even with heavier components, and has the same carbon grade as bikes that cost much more. So for me it does not fit the category of cheap carbon bikes that are worse than top end alloy bikes. I had a great alloy bike before, equipped with 105 and lighter than these two (with rim brakes, though) and I'm better off with my current bike :p
I have the rim break carbon version of the Endurace with Ultegra instead of 105 but that is a great bike and not hindered in any way by being a "cheap carbon road bike". That claim is more got to do with the manufacturer than the price. You can get cheap carbon bikes form good manufacturers and they are not in any way worse than their more expensive carbon versions. It might be a lower grade of carbon but it is treated the same as their bikes that are much more expensive. If your going with a "cheap carbon road bike" go with a reliable manufacturer and it will not be in any way worse than the similarly priced aluminium version (except a slightly lower speck maybe)
colintraveller: If bikes to you just get you from A to B, why are you even bothering watching this comparison? Maybe just spend your time riding from A to B. As for your other questions, reviews don't typically encompass 6 months of riding so component life is not worth mentioning. Components are also not Rose or Canyon, the "gears and tyres" are provided by Shimano, Vittoria and Continental. The only thing you can mention on these subjects is the spec provided for the money, in this case slightly better tyres on the Canyon. I can't see why his weight matters. Off you go, you numpty........
Great review, Matthew. Respectfully, I was advised to consider the "cheap carbon bike" for the same $ back in '05 instead of the AL models. Hit up the lugged carbon SuperGo Scattante with full Ultegra for $1500 and NEVER regretted that decision 25,000 miles later (have other bikes incl a Paris). It weighs 1.2 lbs less than these bikes. PS Don't take the comments too much to heart (even mine); ColinTraveller just needs to come down off the crack or the 'riods.
How tall is Matthew actually? The Canyon looks like a very nice fit, size S if I understand correctly. I am 178cm tall and can't really decide whether to get an M or an S.
Matthew Allen Surely Canyon should have sent the new model for comparison. Comparing a bike you can't buy anymore is a bit pointless. Is the canyon worth the extra £150?
Matthew Allen ok thanks for the response. I was looking for a bike for 200/400/600k rides next year. When I contacted canyon they'd already sold out of 6.0's. is the rose suitable for rides of that distance?
Perfect review for me guys. I've narrowed my bike choice down to exactly these models. To have them compared is beyond awesome. One extra point of information that might be useful is mudguard support. You mentioned that both bikes lack mudguard mounts. Talking to Canyon they recommend SKS Raceblade Mudguards. Is that viable?
I agree with the lack of fender mounts on bikes with so much tire clearance. It's a waste and I would exclude these bikes on a list of potential future purchases as a result.
Which is now 100€ more than the 6.0 with the exact same spec except they changed the crank to be 50/34 instead of 52/36 (which is rly good) pretty bad move honestly, this bike is now not even a good deal anymore you can get a Trek Domane ALR 5 with the same spec and a way better frame for 200€ and with a life time frame warranty (sure its 700g heavier).
I hoped the price would move in the opposite direction. But they don't have any problem selling them. i.e. Based on the stock level of the 2017 AL 6.0. It would not be hard for them to drop the price later. They have the same bike on the US site for $1,500 which is about €1,260.
I hope they do, i mean we get pretty fucked in term of price/quality/paint here in europe buy hey what can we do about it, i was hopping they would do a Tiagra version for 2018 since the RS405 Hydro Disc is available but no, maybe later or next year ! But yeah at the moment i'm mostly disapointed in Canyon 2018 collection, i was about to get the endurace al 6.0 disc, but i was like "yeah i'm gonna wait for the 2018 collection, maybe they'll drop the price and add 5.0 (tiagra) and even why not a sora with trp spyres, but seems they mostly were focused on the US launch rather than their bike collection.
I’m enjoying the bike so far ru-vid.comUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.
Here's my qualm. These bikes are beautiful and ride great, I'm sure. I'd love a Canyon Endurace. BUT-- I feel if these direct-sell companies really cared about the cycling industry they would open up retail shops. Not only would it employ more cycling enthusiasts but would also provide a base for expertise.. Direct-sell scares me as I sell bikes on a shop floor every day. Not to mention, Canyon's bikes are really cool but their warranty situation is horrific.
