I had the privilege of seeing Carlos Kleiber with the Vienna Philharmonic in the 70s. He was not supposed to conduct that concert, he jumped in on short notice because Christoph von Dohnányi (I think it was him) had to cancel because he was sick. So they changed the program and played 2 pieces both the orchestra and Kleiber knew "by heart" - a Haydn symphony (don't remember which one) and this one - Beethoven 7th. It was absolute magic! In the Vienna Musikverein, no less, a concert hall with arguably the best acoustics in the world (the annual New Years Concert is performed there).
Diese Übergänge. Diese Leisheit im zweiten Satz. Herr Kleiber hat seinen Vater und Herrn Karajan erreicht, überholt. Wir Glückliche leben im Genuß, uns das immer wieder anhören zu können. Danke und noch einmal Dank.
Ich denke bei allem Können ist es auch sein Hang zur Hysterie, der das Publikum fesselte bzw. fesselt! Ich bin mir nicht sicher ob es einen anderen Dirigenten gab bei dem das so ausgeprägt war! Mir fällt als anderer Musiker Horowitz ein! Der war aber wiederum subjektiver. Hysterie meine ich hier natürlich nicht negativ!
Kleiber wouldn't conduct, he would absorb the music, and then perform an interpretive dance. "All" the orchestra had to do was make it match what we were seeing Kleiber feel. Amazing. Mil gracias, paz.
Kleiber doesn't the orchestra. He conducts the music. The orchestra could play it without him, but not nearly so well. That's was the special magic that he brought to everything he touched.
NUNCA...... NUNCA olvidarpe que tuve ... el PRIVILEGIO.... el HONOR..... la BENDICIÓN... la SUERTE.. de escuchar a Carlos Kleiber dirigiendo a la WIENER PHILARMONIKER... interpretando la 7ma Sinfonía de Beethoven... en al Sala Netzahualcoyotl de la Cd. de México.... ES... sin DUDA... el MEJOR y MAS BELLO al que he asistido en TODA mi vida.... AL final terminaron ofreciendo como ENCORE... Valses Vieneses !!!!!! El estrado terminó lleno de ramos de rosas que LE llovieron!!!! Uff.. escribo esto ..lleno de lágrimas de nostalgia y felicidad!!!!
Wow, que envidia, como me hubiera gustado ver eso! Que triste que nunca me va a tocar verlo... Definitivamente Kleiber hacía mi interpretación favorita de la 7ma.
Yo tampoco lo tuve, pero he oido todas sus direcciones de sinfonias a traves de los tiempos y este Argentino / Aleman era simplemente un GENIO...! No hay nada que lo compare....! Me emputan el baremboin y el otro judio bernstein...! Bravo, Carlos Kleiber....!!! BRAVO!!!
Usted tiene que mirar al marcha de Radesky dirigida por el en Viena....! Este es en RU-vid: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DYB4c163dJA.html
La parte mala de esto es que después de aquella experiencia es complicado (por no decir imposible) volver a acercarse a algo tan sublime, no es cierto?. Enhorabuena por haber podido vivir una experiencia tan maravillosa.
Beethoven makes us all worth survival. He stands up to all the horrors of our existence and says, this is what I am. and this is what you are. Let us be together;let us go forward from this time and place and make the most of ourselves.If I can do it,you can do it.
Ich höre mir das nicht an, ich erlebe es. Was für eine meisterhafte Leistung von Dirigent und Orchester! ........ Ich bedanke mich sehr sehr herzlich bei C Hwa 西华 Wong dafür.
Are you being serious right now??? I see nothing special in his conducting at all. Professional musicians playing or singing in a group learn how to divide their vision between the music and the conductor….if they don’t respond to a cue one time too many, they get canned, and if they play wrong notes or make wrong entries because they’re enthralled with the conductor, they would never keep a job in even a third-tier ensemble. So, from your comment, I take it that you’re not a musician.
Possibly, there is no show like one of these symphonies where you can go (if you can find the tickets!) and since the moment you enter the theater, you will only see men and women in FORMAL SUITS and LONG DRESSES while the whole theater smells like Chanel #5, Nina Ricci and Jean Patou...! And..., there are no cell phones ringing, people talking or "clearing their throats", etc.! Just people knowing how to behave, when to applaud and...enjoying a super symphony! When you pay upwards to US $1,000 a ticket..., this is what you get! What a place where to be!
Que fiesta para el espíritu !! Muchas gracias Señor Wong Chung Hwa. Y a los miembros de la orquesta. Y especialmente al querido y y admirado Maestro Kleiber.
Here he still keeps that beautiful enchantment he always had when conducting. And what a pleasure for us to be part of his feeling. See at 15:17 to 15:27 and at 15:45 to 15:50 how intimate are his emotion. Norah de Almeida
No, he is not THE best. He is YOUR best. There’s a humongous difference. I find this performance nice, but certainly not genius. The first thing people should learn about any of the arts is that *taste as to individual artists is completely subjective.* Which means people don’t get to impose their favorites on anyone.
@@voraciousreader3341 and this Is YOUR personal opinion. I couldn't care less imposing anything on anybody, but I definitely want to feel free to decide and assert what is THE BEST for me, without anybody interfering in my opinion. What you think is what YOU think, and next time you want to share it with other, please be humble and show more respect to other people's point of view.
Well, this is what great conductors do. Get a group of musicians to so completely commit to a piece and to a level of listening that it becomes as fresh and new as when it was written, so that it seems that as if we're hearing it for the first time as it emerges.
+Vittorio Deriu Non esattamente, Sig. Vittorio. In realtà il titolo di miglior direttore d'orchestra di sempre gli è stato attribuito da una votazione indetta dalla rivista Classic Voice, che ha chiesto a cento de più autorevoli direttori di esprimere una preferenza. Più che di "alcuni" esperti, si tratta invero di una giuria ampia, riconosciuta e qualificata :)
+ Daniele P. - Intendevo dire proprio la stessa cosa. Grazie comunque per la precisazione, anche se, a mio sommesso parere di musicofilo "non esperto" i singoli direttori andrebbero valutati in base ad un certo repertorio, per cui si può essere eccellenti in Beethoven, Brahms o Wagner e assai meno in Debussy, Ravel o Stravinsky.
As a teenager and just becoming enamored with classical music, I spontaneously "conducted" while listening to recordings. Without being a musician or attending concerts, I felt and related to the music more while "conducting". I sense a similar spontaneity and expressiveness watching Kleiber. Obviously, he is more knowledgeable and involved than I ever was. If I had become a conductor, I would want to have been as emotionally expressive as Kleiber.
Now that you've listened t this performance (and maybe shed tears during the 2nd movement) go back to this movement, and at 12:10, look at the designation of the movement: it's NOT Funebre, (a funeral march) and NOT Andante: Beethoven titled it ALLEGRETTO! (Happy and quite fast). Now listen again and think Allegretto! This is what it is, and forget the Romantic funeral march designation. It will be a new ---& authentic --experience. [Thanks to the Rising Star, Joana Mallwitz, who brought it to my attention and to yours].
@@josele003 Asi es. Sin embargo, en lo personal, cuando escucho grabaciones "nuevas", siempre me sorprende la falta de calidad interpretativa. Pocas son las que realmente me resultan sorprendentes, asi que acabo volviendo a los viejos y amados conocidos.
@@gerardod4915 Gran parte de la calidad interpretativa pienso se debe al sentimiento del intérprete general del instrumento orquesta, en este caso el irrepetible Carlos Kleiber. Afortunados somos de haber escuchado esta versión, aunque personalmente me quede mucha música por vivir, pero cuando algo te mueve la máquina como esto, pocas reservas hay que hacer, tan sólo reconocerlo y agradecer el don.
Carlos Kleiber - and for me there’s no higher praise - was not Toscanini, was not Erich Kleiber, he was the Fred Astaire of conductors, expressing the essence of music with grace, wit, unerring rhythm and seeming ease. He hovers above all others and lands it!
…grandiose Interpretation eines großen Orchesters unter einem genialen Dirigenten. Leidenschaft und absolute Meisterschaft, exakte Zeichengebung, ohne die heute leider üblichen artistischen Versuche vor dem Klangkörper. Als ob die Musik nicht spräche…
Shallow comment, what the heck are you trying to prove here? Showing how good your music taste is by dropping names? What a typical "Music appreciation curriculum" bragger
*Music is a PURELY SUBJECTIVE art,* meaning that *each listener gets to decide what they like and don’t like, and nobody else gets to make them feel stupid by pretending they are smarter or more informed or qualified to do so.* As many have said, classical musicians (and every other type of artist) don’t engage in objective exercises to determine who is the best in any given field. That’s my first point. So I don’t give a rip what experts people cite to make others feel their own differing opinions are automatically placed in the “ill informed” bucket….I go by my ear and my own taste, and I’m a classically trained musician who has played these symphonies-which most amateur critics have not-so my opinion is formed purely on what I have experienced. And I will be the first to point out that this doesn’t make my opinion more valid; it’s simply been my very wide experience that, while musicians definitely have favorites, they rarely impose theirs on anybody, especially their colleagues. So, in my opinion, this performance is well down the list of my favorites; nice sound, but the conductor’s choices didn’t strike me as being more than ordinary; he also took the Allegretto too fast for my taste. I am also a classically trained singer and, in my own opinion, Callas is a very overrated singer whose recordings I never listen to. At one point, I tried very hard to understand why people are so obsessed with her voice, and I came up empty. Except for her early recordings, I find her voice to be strident, pitchy, and ugly. People don’t like to say negative things about her for fear of being called cretins but, again, zealots tend not to be musicians themselves; again, this doesn’t matter to me at all, except when the zealots insist on being tastemakers for everybody. Very strong opinions are just that….opinions. The strength of the opinions do not make them correct. I listen to music because I love it and cannot live without it….it would be nice if more people did the same.
@@derek2365Shallow comment the one above ? Not at all. He / she is expressing an opinion. However YOUr comment is absolutely unqualified, just nothing more than an expression of aggression empty of contents and without any depth. You better stayed silent.
Music is not a competition but as much as I love Lenny and John Barbirolli and Jascha Horenstein and Leopold Stokowski and the irascible but brilliant Fritz Reiner, Erich Kleiber's son Carlos remains the exemplar IMO. I must say: Gustavo Dudamel reminds me of Carlos Kleiber.
Изумительный, прекрасный дирижёр, большой художник. В И.Штраусе он великолепен, а вот в Бетховене он, в частности в 7 симфонии, на мой взгяд, чрезмерно человечен.
Carlo Kleiber insieme a Toscanini...Abbado...B.Walther e Giulini per me i più grandi del secolo...ma Kleiber è certo il più comunicativo ed elegante nel gesto.
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19:47 le final de l'allegretto a été changé (premiers violons font pizzicatto en lieu de ce qui est écrit). Le meilleur c'est le 4ème mouvement (là c'est vraiment l'esprit de Beethoven)
C'est vrai. Je ne connais qu'un seul autre chef qui fait ça, mais c'est justement Papa Kleiber, l'immense Erich. Ecoutez : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IxwjDuEjNmc.html (un peu après 17' 30"). Je sais que ça a été très controversé. Je ne sais pas pourquoi l'on fait ça chez les Kleiber. D'autres, que je ne connais pas le font-ils aussi ? Si vous en savez plus, merci d'avance. Mettons cela de côté car tout le reste est sublime dans cette interprétation, meilleur encore qu'avec le Wiener, à mon sens, ce qui n'est pas peu dire !
