great job Antonio, always appreciate when you take the time to work through all the variations and HOW TO finish and win the game at the end, I always learn alot from your video. thank you!
Definitely enjoying that you show lines playable by humans during the game and then after the game show us the face-ripping engine lines. Keep up the good work
@@tomgold5006 Antonio probably doesn't want to speculate on gossip. The accusation was subtly implied by Carlsen and there's no direct evidence to date. Hans has cheated in the past, albeit *online*. Until Magnus produces direct evidence of cheating, this is a textbook definition of a rage-quit.
@@KakashiBallZ fax there was no proof of cheating just suspicion and little evidence, he just quitting on an assumption which could be true but we dont know yet.
Agadmator, i got into chess 5 years ago and only some months ago i was able to play vs you (random rated 1+0) 3 times on lichess! It was nice! Awesome video, i heard there is a drama started after this game so i wanted to see the recap of this game explained by you as usually before knowing what happened after that! 🤷♂️👍
@@MasonNoThumbs average magnus fanboy Edit: Pls shut up defending magnus. Yea what if Hans was just tired and didn't want to calculate deeply after that tiring game. And also it's possible that he didn't calculate everything properly but fortunately for him Magnus didn't play the moves which he has calculated wrongly.
@@Shreysoldier just pointing out the facts, he’s been banned twice for cheating in the past. And is currently being investigated again for foul play in this tournament
This might be your best video, including the analysis. Thank you for this video because all the moves are shown. Note: Chess24 has removed this game from the database for the Sinquefield Cup. You have preserved it for all time!
Thank you for looking at this with an unbiased eye. So many people jumping to conclusions and for all we know he played the best he has ever and will ever play. People don't understand kids these days have had these bots to train against since they were kids. They're going to get better and better.
I don't think hans cheated. I think he makes bold moves that either help win or assure defeat for himself. In both cases against magnus I think the gambit worked.
@David Martelli that's what I'm saying. He could've gotten lucky and played good best tournaments because he plays like that all the time. And most of the time it hurts him but this time it didn't and magnus pouted
I like these kind of chess video format. It is vert educational. I never really learned chess strategy at all. It always go over my head. If onlf this kind of video are available when i was younger i might have learned how to play smartly
Now there is big twist in the tournament with magnus withdrawing from the tournament via TWEET and attaching an interview where the coach was seen to be hinting towards cheating, The drama is going to be REAL fun. Magnus has never ever withdrawn from any tournament in his whole career ,if he did this time there might me something fishy here, i guess the most logical reason to that tweet is , Carlson prep got leak somehow from his closed ones, so he was very unhappy being betrayed by them.
1. Hans beats Magnus in classical 2. Agad posts a short form video the next day, a rare move, but it has been played at the top level 3. Magnus tweets: Chess speaks for itself, Mourinho speaks for me 4. Neimann stumbles through an analysis with Alejandro after drawing Alireza
@@parthsavyasachi9348 Exactly, might as well say Magnus is cheating and has never been caught all his life. Innocent until proven guilty. If it comes out that there was actual cheating, then and only then will I ever accuse Hans. Right now, he WON and Magnus Lost - simple. If Magnus has any accusation to make with evidence, please do so.
Me, clicking on the video: "I wonder whether Agadmator will address the cheating suspicions...." Agadmator: 1:53 -- "Hans captures, this is the best way to do this." 2:01 -- "C5. Again, everything played to absolute perfection." 2:07 -- "There are some games that reached this position, but in none of them C captures on D4 was played, which is a new move and in fact the top move recommended by the engine." 🤣🤣🤣
If you’ve watched this channel, this is nothing special :/ Everything you just stated has already been played before, except for the last one. it’s literally just a slight optimization to an already played game.
Hans claims that Magnus played this g3 Nimzo at the London Chess Classic 2018 against Wesely So in the postgame interview. Neither Magnus or Wesely were at that tournament. Magnus's withdrawal is tantamount to an accusation against Hans, and rewatching Hans's interview does not help Hans's case imho. He presents terribly.
Carlsen did, however, play So and indeed a number of other games in this variation by transposition according to the lichess masters database. So vs Carlsen in Kolkata 2019. Chess is not a geography or history quiz. He got the place and time wrong, so what? Innocent until proven guilty.
@@SeanStrain Hans felt the need to explain his exemplary play. This in itself piques suspicion, to my mind. If you got nothing to hide, why defend? He claims he looked at the lines right before the match, and said with utmost assuredness that Magnus played that line vs So at the 2018 London Classic. But when Hans was questioned about the variations, his grasp of them was off. An explanation of all this is that Hans miraculously analyzing the lines right before the match was a red herring, drawing attention away from the possibility of assisted play. He’s been caught before, as well. But yeah, innocent until proven guilty is the ethical stance.
20:16 thank you for this. Im not a experienced chess player by any means i just like playing occasionally and watch your videos from time to time. So the moves are always interesting and fun for me to digest. Thanks for the cool content 😎
After watching this well explained video (thank you Agadmator!) I am, as a reasonably competent player, mostly convinced that Carlsen played a less than optimal game. It's also not beyond the bounds of possibility that a much weaker player can put in a perfect performance and improve in strength quite dramatically. However the guy himself (Niemann) has admitted to cheating online and that throws serious shade on any of his accomplishments. Maybe Carlsen got caught out and is throwing a hissy fit about it. Time will tell. Either Niemann will continue to rise in the rankings and Carlsen will put in more and more weaker performances as he ages, or Niemann will disappear having either played the game of his life or pulled off the cheat of the decade. My guess is that Neimann will be remembered for a dubious shock win over a dominating world champion after disappearing quite quickly
Magnus playing white gave his advantage away with a poor opening, however Hans being able to predict which variation his opponent is about to play and prep for it, is equally annoying.
He can't reached 2900 because he is a crybaby and he even can't defeat a 2600 guy...in the Olympiad this year he drew to a lot of lower rated opponents and remember he almost lost in the olympiad 2022 as well.
If this was an anime script: To atone for his earlier mistakes, and to prove himself worthy, Hans has, after spending 2-3 years mostly alone with only the engines as his closest friends, started to develop an engine-like chess intuition that he cannot put into words very well, partly because he has lost touch with basic human interaction. His ability is still slow, and doesn’t yet work under rapid or blitz pressure, and he finishes last in the tournament, and hates himself for it, because deep down he knows he can do better. Magnus has claimed he himself has a good chess intuition, but is not good at calculating, and is for the first time faced with intuition similar to his own in this slower classical format (that he himself has claimed is too slow because you can compensate for any shortcoming with a long time to think), and gets furious when he looses. It’s the story of the least worthy, most awkward underdog making it to the top. Next chapter, anyone? Plot twist or go deeper?
If this is what it is the internet owes more than an apology. But magnus has lost before to outstanding young talents and didn't quit, the tweet is what makes it scary since it has a lot of consequences and unless he was without a shadow of a doubt he would not do that to someone
I can see why Magnus thought he was cheating. He played almost every move perfectly, and with a lot of time to spare. Im still not sure how I feel about the game
He said in an Interview later, that he prepared that Line for 17 Moves, which is not that hard for professional Chess players. When Magnus, MVL or Nepo does it it is accepted and normal. When some1 out of the 2800 Club does it it is cheating. I hate the Hipocricy of the Chess elites.
@@hosenzieher25 it wasn't just that one move, it was that he played incredibly well, well above his rating, with great ease. Also, watch the interview with Nakamura comments (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KN3zNrvO8b4.html min 14 onwards). He doesn't seem to be able to propose different good moves. The result does look very fishy to me. I guess that time will tell if Niemann is a true super grandmaster or not.
basically the game he won, there are at least a few moves that a human would not play or see. They are very computer like moves. Later proved to be the top engine choice. When GMs play, their positional play is very different from that of computers. Carlsen is no idiot, he saw it over the board that Hans's play is less and less human like. To make matters worse, Hans can't explain thought process behind his own moves which makes me think, hold up .. you have clearly no idea why you made the incredible pawn move, or how did you find the perfect square for that bishop when in that position a human wouldn't even consider a bishop. So yea, all the top players are basically thinking in the back of their mind that he cheated even though they cannot say it out loud because there is no proof. Its like Agadmator said "it's like science fiction, nobody would expect anyone to play this" haha without really saying that it is cheating.
@@hosenzieher25 my only issue is that he prepared so many moves for an opening that Magnus has literally never played. That’s just not how chess players prepare.
@@hosenzieher25 makes sense that guy caught cheating, does Super GM moves with good amount of spare time, playing the best player of this time in opening that he doesnt play often with apparently 17 move prep.
Hans doesn't actually strike me as obnoxious or delusionally egotistical, because he's actually quite self effacing at times. But he is a bit of a troll, which is delightfully entertaining.
People that think he is egotistical just because of that "chess speaks for itself" incident are people that never interact with real person lmao. He definitely was trolling. No one in their serious mind can do that
Because he didn't lol. It's literally impossible to cheat on classical over the board games. Every electronic device is removed and their whole body scanned by machines before the match starts. The fact that Hans now is constantly beating top players should tell you that he didn't cheat at all. Magnus was just a baby that day. All investigations for this match proved that Hans didn't cheat.
there is no way this is an impossible win for Hans. There were 2 pawn moves that obviously were great, but this is a winable game. The more I see things, the more i realize Magnus was just freaking out he coudn't get to 2900 with Hanz lowering his rating, and had suspiscions. But everyone forgot how they were treating this Hans kid, and what the reprecussions would be in his life. This kind of thing, and the way it was handled was a fail, and should never happen to anyone in their lives. I hope he gets monetary compensation for the damage done to him. Aditionally, what agamator shows as a brilliancy of Hans at 14:25 is right after Magnus played a sub-optimal move. There are also several places when better moves could have been played by Hans that he didn't play. There is no way on earth he was using some kind of micro ear peace in live chess, televised with people watching him in the room. All this was a massive, needless drama. I really hope the people who caused this grief on Hans get their just deserts.
It's pretty clear that he is using outside assistance in his games. He is playing 40+ move games with higher than 95% accuracy and even a game with 100% accuracy. Tons of games with 90%+ accuracy. Magnus at his peak is playing at 70% accuracy and Bobby Fischer during his peak was playing with 73% accuracy.
@@75ncv4hu9tg7 just last week Hikarun played at 99 % accuracy. There are alot of figures people read and look for proof. Kasparov even didn't condem Hans. The game he beat Magnus in was in no way perfect. There is no proof Hans cheated other than suspiscion wich has ruined the kids career. Anyway, he was playing live. How on earth would he have cheated? No one can say. Cameras, judges, everyone watching the whole time. I don't buy into the whole condemnation attitude. Innocent until proven guilty. If anything, let him play more times and use tech to try and catch him if there are doubts, right? He cheated when he was 12 and 16....jeez, if I was held up to things I did in those years now, it would be a terrible life... I mean, he even admitted publicly for hsi mistakes, and in my mind you only do that when you have nothing to hide and you want to leave your past.
@@tuckerlivingston Just remember that those are only the times when he has been caught. He plays these godlike games but can't even explain himself when asked about moves and lines. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Am_AQf1ZBq4.html
He has the right mindset. He trust himself but for moments is fiercely autocritic, also knows chess is all about hard work and has a clear goal. He is not so different than other players, just more public about it. I find it really fun watching a player who will go for great things even if sometimes fail.
@@avg_user-dd2yb getting 2700 is hard work, I'm pretty sure Niemann already worked himself hard to achieve it. Magnus is just blessed with good genes and that's why he is on another level.
A beautiful game, now tainted forever in Chess history. I dunno who is going to win that battle - Magnus or Hans. In either case, the sure loser is the game of chess itself.
Magnus is so cocky that he will result in accusing someone of cheating before taking a L like a man. There’s so much elitism in chess everyone puts Magnus on a pedestal and refuse to accept with upmost stubbornness that someone could out play him. Disgusting attitude
Magnus has lost games to premoved games online, he's lost to little kids like Praggnanandha, like dude there's many times where Magnus has lost a game and just moves on like normal. I think you hate Magnus because he's just the best. but bro, Magnus didn't even accuse him of cheating. he lost the game and bounced from the tournament, that was it, that's why I think you just hate Magnus, because he almost said nothing.
Losing online in rapid isn’t the same to losing to a 2600 OTB in classical chess, and losing badly that is. He lost in ways he beats others, a slow painful loss. And maybe you don’t know anything about the mourinho meme and English football but Magnus definitely insinuated he cheated. And he did it in a way in which he can go back and say in the future that he didn’t outright accuse him of anything. It was a smart move. And to your assumption about me hating Magnus, I love Magnus he’s my favourite player ever, but I’m not bias and clouding my judgement - his attitude when losing stinks
We need a statistical model showing the odds for what happened, considering the distribution of average precision for each player and therefore the probability for the outcome. People are deep diving in conjectures. This statistical model COULD lead to a PROBABILITY beyond reasonable doubt. Although it could also lead to a probability that doesnt mean much, and so we would need to rely on other sources/evidence and perhaps never know the true, but at least we would exhausted the statistical fundaments.
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That alone isn't the evidence. I've seen people with much bigger discrepancies win and lose. Not saying it didn't happen but *that's* not the evidence itself
@@aliceinwonder8978 that's not a good argument. Kids from elementary aren't beating professional places. So no certain skill level will never out perform another. And if Magnus isn't losing to other folks 100 ratings difference for years why would he with hans? I'm rooting for hans since I'm in America but to say there's no discrepancy and to say "sometimes people go up in skill" is a silly argument.
I don't see what's so incredible in any of his moves. What I see is Carlsen attacking a lot early on, and expending a lot of time doing it, and when the attacks got blunted, he suddenly found himself far behind on time. THAT alone would explain why he lost the endgame to a weaker player.
@@Romans8-9 56 moves by Niemann. 11 moves that weren't the top Stockfish line at depth 22. Of those, 4 were the same evaluation as the top move. 6 were the second move recommended with a non-impactful loss of value. 1 was Bxc4 on move 21 5:18.
I wish you wouldn't assume that we know the results. Your channel is the only way I follow chess, I'm sure that's true for a lot of other people too. The result should be in doubt for nearly all of the video.
‘Off course this is all very elementary stuff - and I know you know this’ No I promise you Agad, I would have still not won the game in black’s position at the end.
#Ask Agad how do you calculate that these many matches a GM should win to earn these many rating points. Is there any formula? I love your content and creativity.🙏🏽❤️
You can look up the exact formula for Elo on Wikipedia. Basically, the bigger the difference between the Elo ratings of the players, the more points will be gained (and lost by the stronger player) if the weaker player wins. If the stronger player wins, they will gain fewer points, and the weaker player will lose fewer points. This is why it is so difficult to reach 2900; Magnus gains almost no points from beating most opponents, and draws and losses hurt him a lot. He has to play the absolute best players to gain substantial rating points, and any loss or draw is a severe penalty to his rating, especially when he's playing significantly weaker players. There is no exact number of games he has to win, unless you know in advance the ratings of all opponents, and those ratings are dynamic, so calculation done now may not be accurate by the time Magnus plays each of them. 👍🏽
@@vlindstrom actually it's the FIDE rules not the generic ELO system needed to calculate things. It's public information though on mathematical details of how they apply the ELO
@@gregorymorse8423 good to know, thanks! I'm unaware of the details of how fide specifically implements Elo formula, just trying to help with a general understanding of how these calculations are made.
I was surprised when Niemann said the word "mannerism". Its a pretty rare word for someone who has English as a second language. Have you ever used the word?
@@Girafficorn13 I wondered about that. I watch two "games, sports"-chess and mma. In mma there is a girl (Mackenzie Dern) who went to Brazil in her early 20s but came back with a thick accent. After one of her fights they sent an interpreter in for the interview thinking she was Brazillian! Thanks for the reply.
