Never and i go everywhere, but at the O church i went to a few times while out of state, yikes…. the ‘Bishop’ visiting really dissed C’s at his homily and later during fellowship.
@@Hopeternal316 i have never heard a Catholic priest/bishop or an Orthodox Priest/Bishop do that. i am Catholic. I have heard a lot of protestants do that. I wondered what they do on Sunday besides bash Catholics, and if they have any tenets or doctrines that are important to them besides hating Catholics and telling lies about the Catholic Faith.
I was a lapsed Catholic for many years, and Eastern theology is one of the things that brought me back. Purgatory made sense when I understood the concept of theosis and that there would be a final theosis. I briefly toyed with the idea of converting to Orthodoxy, but since eastern Catholic Churches hold to the same theology but are in communion with Rome, the papacy itself didn't seem like a good reason to convert. Around that time, Patriarch Bartholomew was trying to organize a meeting with the other Patriarchs. You could have played the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme song while he was trying to organize it. Because one patriarch was going, another said he wasn't going. And if that one wasn't going, another wasn't going to go. From that, I saw an administrative need for the papacy. After that, I learned about the Jewish roots of the papacy and was convinced that's how Christ set up his church.
Keep in mind that the Pope has the power to change your Eastern theology at any moment 🙂He can personally assign you any bishops he wants, making changes very easy to enforce 🙂Also keep in mind that your Eastern theology is in conflict with the supposed infallibility and absolute truth of the Roman theology 🙂
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Struggling Catholic here. The Sixth Ecumenical Council condemned a former pope under no uncertain terms for "disseminating...a heresy", and also banned changing the language of the Creed. What are we to make of this?
The Filioque was introduced to England at the Council of Hatfield in 680 under the presidency of St Theodore, of happy memory. Nothing has happened since then to indicate to the English bishops that they made a mistake. The Orthodox would argue that the Filioque was condemned at a Council held in Constantinople in 879, but they are unable to identify the English delegates to this alleged Oecumenical Council. One Orthodox told me about the goat-fields of England, which is obviously just a racist slur. Others call me a papist. Even their priests use language like that.
Correct on your view. I was shocked at the negative reaction when I announced my Catholicism while in eastern Europe. Reading the history of the region later I was not surprised to discover discrimination and attempts at forced conversion against Catholics and Lutherns in the 20th century.
@@Kitiwake There are currently two Catholic churches in Hatfield, and Catholics attending them are only likely to encounter "Orthodoxy" on the Internet. Their first encounter is with some nutcase calling them a heretic. Maybe St Theodore did get it wrong, but I would suggest that Orthodoxy has presentational problems. It is simply nothing like the Orthodox *_Catholic_* Church that it claims to be.
When I was leaving Protestantism I looked into Eastern orthodoxy because I thought the idea of a pope and him being infallible was bonkers. What's interesting is the papacy is the reason why I had to drop orthodoxy and convert to Catholicism because without the papacy, and it being infallible then orthodoxy is just another Protestant denomination. The requirement of a pope drew me away from Catholicism and then I learned how necessary it was and it drove me to Catholicism.
In early 2022, I knew I had to become either catholic or orthodox. I met with a catholic priest and orthodox priest. The orthodox priest was a former catholic, prideful, called the Catholic Church a whore, Pope a communist, said Catholics took the immaculate conception dogma a step too far, and was really against the potential fifth Marian dogma of Mary being a co-redemprtix. He only had good things to say about Vigano and the SSPX. The catholic priest I met with was humble, filled with the spirit, loyal to the Magestarium, loved Pope Francis, asked me more questions, was sincerely interested in why I was thinking about orthodoxy, had a deep love for the mother of god and understood her role in salvation history, and kindly corrected me when I shared misinformation with him. It was a no brainer decision. Why is it that the Catholic Church and Pope is hated in the most? Maybe because it’s the fullness of the truth.
Or because they sexually abuse children then move the offending priest to another parish where he does it again. That stuff really annoys some people, you know, people with morals. Maybe you have heard of them?
@@kevinkelly2162and yet modern mankind haven't learned any lessons from the past, allowing legalized MURDER of MILLIONS and MILLIONS of INNOCENT babies via abortion. Which is lesser of the two evils?
@@kevinkelly2162why are you trolling Catholic videos spewing hate and venom? Judging The Catholic Church by the actions of a few is like judging the ocean by a few waves. We are far greater than that, we are Gods One True Apostolic Catholic Church. The one He gave His Clergy, Doctrine, Sacraments and Teachings to.
@@kevinkelly2162 Wait, are you talking about the Catholic Church or the evangelical Southern Baptists? Or that this behavior is 10X worse with teachers in public schools? Why are you trying to make it out to be a "Catholic thing" when it occurs in PROTESTant denominations and secular circles as well? If you did your research you'd find that the Catholic Church has addressed this scandal head on and cleaned things up.
The Eastern Catholics venerate St Palamas who died outside of the Roman church hundreds of years after the great Schism. I think this is significant because Palamas was against the addition of the “Filioque” to the creed and yet he is venerated as a Catholic saint. And because canonizations are infallible this seems to be a contradiction between the Byzantine and Roman Catholic rites.
I have no doubt that The Catholic is the true Church of Jesus Christ. . Thank you Jesus for choosing me to be the part of this beautiful Church , my protestant best friend who has converted to Catholic, after 19 years of marriage my husband want to learn and become Catholic , i don't know whether it is right or wrong but I have a very strong attraction towards the Coptic orthodox Christians, especially when I read and heard about their strong faith, but since we don't have any Coptic Church or any members here in India I don't know much about this Church.
I just found your channel and I love it!! I’m starting RCIA in January as a life long Baptist. I have fallen in love with the Catholic faith and it’s helped me understand our Lord Jesus more deeply
Thank you for making a video on this topic. I hear a lot of the Orthodox argument against our Catholic Church (often). It's nice to hear our stance and so well explained. Thank you Bryan! (And guest speaker ) 🌻🙏🏼
@@Tpxp-z7xYes, St. Robert Bellarmine wrote: “And so that they may understand that the cause of their fall is their stubbornness in error about the procession of the Holy Spirit, Constantinople was taken, the Emperor killed, and the empire wholly extinguished by the Turks on the very feast of the Holy Spirit. For as Gerard Mercator proves in his Chronology, in the year 1452 on the 26th day of May Muhammed ordered his army to the final attack and on the following day he took Constantinople. But in that year the feast of Pentecost was on the 28th of May, as is plain from the bronze number and the dominical letter by which movable feasts are examined. For the bronze number is 8 and the dominical letter is A. Therefore many compare the Greek Church to the kingdom of Samaria, which separated itself from the true temple and was at length carried off into perpetual captivity.”
@@Darth_Vader258that was an excuse they used but in reality it was not a problem even to them, otherwise there are eastern Churches who are in communion with the Church and don’t use the nicene creed.
@@FideiDefensatrixso ture amen, God use the right church to evangelize the world, that why their are Catholic Churches in every part of the world, unlike the Orthodox and Oriental
I gave up attempting to communicate with Orthodox. I’ve found any attempt to reach out, is met with a metaphorical slapping away of the hand offered in friendship. They are our Brothers/Sisters, but unfortunately, they do not see us that way. In their minds, we are heretics. It’s as if they have a vested interest in remaining separate.
I find this the same with many Cathyolic they turn to insults when tough questions come out.bit does that mean that all roman catholics are like that I would say no, as not all orthodox are not what you experienced
@@OrthodoxStudy-wd5nkI very rarely see such behavior from Catholics, when engaging Orthodox. I see it quite regularly on the part of Orthodox when engaging Catholics. I’ve also experienced, when progress is made, and sharing is occurring; another Orthodox will poison the well, and the one who had been participating, in gaining a better, mutual understanding of our respective Rites, shrinks back. I can only imagine the guilt trip they experienced, behind the scenes. It’s horribly unfortunate. There is terminology, and ways of conveying mutual Truths, where the Orthodox method is admittedly superior, and confounds adversaries, attacking the Faith.
@@paulgritter7957@paulgritter7957 I find I have the same experience with catholics. I had tried to have good chats with roman catholics but as soon as I make points that they don't like them out come the insults or belittling. Even when I was a Roman Catholic trying to understand certain things I questions I was called names. That's why I walk away and as a neutral I looked into the actual teachings of Orthodoxy and roman Catholicism instead of talking to people and in short I left roman Catholicism because of teachings not because of individuals. Or I would have to leave Christ because Judas betrayed and St Peter denied so he can be true if I judge by individual to understand the whole church
@@OrthodoxStudy-wd5nkI’m a Catholic Convert, who was called to Catholicism. I’ve ended up doing the same. I compare their teachings to ours, in writing, rather than fruitless interaction. I’ve been practicing for almost 17 years, and have been studying much longer than that. I’ve never found one reason, or teaching , they would cause me to be even remotely interested or inclined, to leave the Catholic Church. If, I were inclined to Orthodoxy, and joined with them; I would always be considered an outsider. Orthodoxy is more regional, and ethnically oriented. I am not of any ethnicity, that is tied to any Orthodox Communion. Thankfully, for those like me, there is a Church, that meets the criteria set forth in Malachi 1:11. It does reach from the Rising of the sun to its Setting, (global), and offers a pure Oblation, every hour of the day, somewhere on the globe. Catholicism transcends borders, language, culture, ethnicity, and national identity, as well as political ideologies.
Catholic the best forever ,i am proud to be a part of Catholic Church and Catholic is real Christian. Thank you so madly for this great vidio,GBU always Bryan🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤❤ and good morning from here.
At one minute in, you've disqualified yourself from being worth listening to. There were 5 patriarchates. Rome was one of the five. All five agreed the Nicene creed could be changed. Rome then changed the creed. When Constantinople objected, Rome excommunicated Constantinople. The other 3 patriarchates stayed in communion with Constantinople. This is history. Rome is the one who made changes after agreeing not to, Rome is the one that initiated the excommunication, and Rome was left standing alone while all 4 other patriarchates stayed together. Rome is the church that left the faith. The others stayed consistent, Rome changed. The others stayed in communion, Rome left. Catholics who say they are in the one true church from apostolic times are denying reality in order to keep their image of themselves as supreme.
The filioque was inserted to defend the divinity of Christ brought into question by Arianism. The Pope found it necessary to insert in at a time where it was detrimental for the deposit of faith. The insertion of the filioque was not really the problem, the problem was that it was the Pope who inserted it and therefore it really was a question of authority, did the Pope have authority to add the filioque? Yes he did, for the same reason Peter proclaimed Jesus to be the Son of God and Jesus said no flesh and blood revealed this to you but from the Father in Heaven, isn't it ironic that after a few centuries the seat of Peter had again to reaffirm the Divinity of Christ while all the rest kept quiet. So yes it was more because the East didn't want authority.
What about the 8th ecumenical council. This council was originally accepted and fully endorsed by the papacy in Rome (whose legates were present at the behest of Pope John VIII), but was later repudiated by Rome in the 11th century, retroactively regarding the robber council of 869-870 to be ecumenical. The council of 879-880 affirmed the restoration of St. Photius the Great to his see and anathematized any who altered the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, thus condemning the Filioque. The fact is when the Patriarch of Rome broke away from the other Patriarchs and from the original Christian Church, they had to reject what they agreed to centuries later. In fact the Roman Catholic Church should be seen as the first Protestant Church. Peter was first a bishop of Antioch, the Present Patriarch of the Antiochian Orthodox have more claim to be a successor of Peter than the Pope.
Orthodox study, You made the statement. You backed it up with nothing. We gave many incontrovertible facts. You're not being honest and didn't even have the honesty before God almighty to watch the video. So, you're speaking from ignorance. No offense.
I don’t think the orthodox and Catholic Church could unify unless the Catholic Church take out the “Filioque”, the dogma of papal supremacy, papal infallibility, the immaculate consumption, etc. there are just too many differences to harmonize the two churches.
That's not accurate at all. Most orthodox don't even have a problem with it. And they used to be in line with it. They actually changed their mind to centuries later. We already made a video on this recently and are making another one in the part 2 of this video series.
I saw a question and answers on an orthodox channel. They claim we are closer now than we've ever been but stillba ways away. They claim that dogmas that came after the Schism don't necessarily keep us from unifying overall. He says there needs to be more dialogue.
Thanks Bryan and Michael.. this video helped answer some arguments that the orthodox bring.. hope to see unity between the 2 daughter churches one day..
This is the video I needed. I’m reengaging with my faith and church and had always considered the Orthodox Church as a brother church of the Catholic Church. There seems to be a chip on the orthodox shoulder when they speak of Catholics. I’ve even heard the term “apostates” in reference to us which really struck me as needlessly harsh.
It's really weird, right? They claim to be brothers and yet claim we're satan at the same time. It's odd. Here is if you're interested Part 2: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RjAPNbTYwpM.html
The Orthodox Church still has apostolic succession, valid priests, etc. however, the Orthodox Church denies the truth that the Pope has authority as head of the Church. Think of them like Protestants with priests
@@Marcissusjust because there is a schism doesn't make someone a Protestant. Know your history. The Church of Antioch was not in communion with Rome for a period of time in the early church, but the church of Antioch was still in communion with the church of Alexandria and the Church of Alexandria was in communion with Rome. Did that make the church of Antioch protestant? When St Paul and Barnabas separated did one of them become protestant.? And still waiting for your response to my comments in reply to yours I am very interested to hear you explain. Besides pointing out typos to prove Catholicism right
Only the Catholic Church is the true Church from which the Orthodox separated in the 11th century. And also before that and after that. The Orthodox churches came back to the Catholic Church at the Council of Florence too and then left again about a decade later. They also returned to the Catholic Church in the 13th century and left again later on. It was never the other way around showing that they were the ones who departed in the first place (were excommunicated). That is why the earliest Christians were known as Catholic and not orthodox. No such thing as an orthodox church but nationalized separated churches. Only the Catholic Church is the true church of Jesus Christ.
I have debated a self-proclaimed Orthodox theologian but none of his claims were consistent. In fact, he was completely paradoxical and ironical -- self-contradictory. I have come acrossed the RU-vid and found his comments defending the Immaculate Conception by saying, "I am also Orthodox and believe the Immaculate Conception of the Theotokos" and yet, he argued me against the Immaculate Conception. He even used St. Thomas Aquinas to prove to me that the IC Dogma was a false doctrine, but at the time I gave him the arguments of Bl. John Duns Scotus and the books Summa Theologiae III and rhe Compendium Theologiae, he gave me the Summa Theologiae I. Lol. ^^ I realized and concluded that Orthodoxes are the original and leaders of Protestantism. They always call Catholics as heretics and will go to hell, but they never realized that they are actually the original heretics and fear that they might go to hell. ^^
I am someone who has been praying about which way to Christ to take. I will be calling my local parish soon to ask “Father, how do I become Catholic?” Thank you, for this video.
I really have a question. In orthodox church there are many .. hundreds i could say..saints in the 20th century that did many miracles as long as they where alive. I really would like to know if something similar happens and in the other christian world?
Well, we know that it happens in the Catholic world as well. I think there are miracles in Protestantism as well. Though we don't know that frequency. And they're not as well regulated or authenticated as in the Catholic and orthodox churches. But no doubt there are some that happen in the protestant world too.
There are several heresies of the Orthodox churches. They deny the Catholic doctrines of the primacy of the Roman pontiff, papal infallibility, the procession of the Holy Spirit from the Son, purgatory, original sin (specifically, the inheritance of original sin through generation), indulgences, and the Immaculate Conception of Mary. These doctrines are parts of sacred tradition and can be found in the writings of the Church Fathers. The Orthodox don't believe in the one true Church as it is in reality even though they profess belief in it in the Nicene creed. They believe in energies of God and hesychasm, which are errors. And they permit divorce and remarriage, communion for people who are divorced and remarried, and contraception.
Thank you so much Sr. Mercier. This is truly a treat. ORTHADOX videos keep saying that the Catholic church is the one who changed and separated fr the Orthodox church. They say the Catholic church changed the Creed to FILIOQUE and they been changing the original tradition. And sense Vatican 2 Catholics within the church hve seperated and many Nuns hve left the church. Etc. So these videos helped us Catholics to defend the church with our Orthodox brother's. Thanks again. 🫶🏻🫡👍🏻🍞🍷🔥📖⛪️🕊✝️📿
Jesus himself told of a few parables whereby a rich man or a king goes away on a long journey to a distant land and leaves his property in the responsibility of a caretaker/servant in charge.
*servants For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. Mat25 > For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore... Mrk13 < He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds... Luk19
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE Matthew 16:15-19 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter said in reply, You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonas. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I shall build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the Keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Among all the others God the Father chose to pour upon Peter this great revelation about the Lord Jesus. By giving to Peter, the keys of the kingdom Jesus bestowed the greatest authority upon Peter in his church and appointed him as its first and foremost leader.
I find it interesting that Pope Francis can not compel or sway the Eastern Orthodox church into his Synodal paradigm shift. The Orthodox church seems steadfast to resist the changes/errors he is trying to implement.
@@Marcissus Is that so? Why are so many bishops warning us to stand against the coming changes? I'm worried about what's ahead. I fear from my grandchildren. They will be corrupted by this Pope.
That’s all you got from the video? lol yeah they’re our brothers and sisters but they’re schismatics and we should pray for their conversion or they might risk damnation. “extra ecclesiam, nulla salus” no salvation outside the Catholic Church
Remember the scene in Zorba the Greek when Madame Hortense dies? Zorba is asked if there will be a funeral. Zorba answers "There will be no funeral.The priests will not bury her. She was a Frank. She crossed herself with four fingers." There is your answer about the philosophy of Orthodox towards other religions, particularly Roman Catholics.
I publicly apologize to anyone one on here that i have offended in anyway, i know things can get heated and i can carried away, although i had some nice conversationa on here. I was reading a book called The illness and cures of the soul in the Orthodox Church,i think my parish priest seen i needed this. I have forgotten the important part asceticism. As st Maxismos the confessor st Gregory Palamas and st Gregory Nyssa put it and in this order purification, illumination and deification and i know that to know the faith is important but without the foundation of asceticism what good will it do, even to win debates. So i apologize humbly if i have offended anyone
Amen. Well said about prayer and asceticism. I was on someone's radio show recently and reminded people something similar. People were wondering how to do apologetics. People were wondering how to do apologetics. And I said that it's very important to pray at least 30 to 60 minutes a day because we can't give what we don't have and we will just get angry if we don't have the love of Christ in us. All ministry and evangelization we do should flow from the relationship we have with Christ and the desire to serve and love him. We all need reminders of this sometimes. I'm actually trying to step back a little bit more during advent to find more quiet time and more room in my heart for Christ. God bless you.
Eliakim (Hebrew: אֶלְיָקִים, Greek: Ελιακιμ, Latin: Eliacim) was the son of Hilkiah. He succeeded Shebna to become royal steward or prime minister for King Hezekiah of Judah, according to the Hebrew Bible. I used to think (assume) that Eliakim was the Al Habayith (Over the House) for King David. But it was actually King Kezekiah.
Not what I said. Eliakim was the servant chosen by King Hezekiah, not by King David. Hezekiah was in the line of David. The House of David. The Davidic kingdom line, but Hezekiah was the king who put Eliakim in the position of Al Habayith. Hezekiah was the 13th king _after_ David, reigning in the late 8th, and early 7th centuries BC. This coincides with the approximate time frame when the Book of Isaiah was written.
Similar to the divinity of Christ or the Trinity, the beginnings of these official pronouncements were started centuries beforehand. They were only officially proclaimed when people began to doubt them in cause Scandal and confusion. Same thing. People in fall ability was taught since the early church, even in the sixth econometical account People in fallability was taught since the early church, even in the sixth economical council. But it was only officially proclaimed at a much later date.
@CatholicTruthOfficial firstly I wasn't asking about the Divinity of Christ or the Trinity. I asked when the "rules" were put forth regarding when and how the Pope speaks infallibly? And secondly, if the Ecumenical Council's of the first 1000 years taught papal infallibility without question, as Michael Lofton claims.....why would the Catholic Church have to put forth a doctrine that supposedly was already proclaimed hundreds and hundreds of years earlier?
My support for the Filioque comes from John 20:21-32 21 [n][Jesus] said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” 22 [o]And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. 23 [p]Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.” If Jesus can breathe the Holy Spirit then doesn’t that mean that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the father and the son? Plus if the holy trinity is coming equal co eternal then Jesus can send the Holy Spirit.
I grew up Catholic and became Orthodox but im having second thoughts. Online Orthodox are VERY uncharitable too. And most are not Baptized into the Church btw. They're larping because its a trend
Definitely a trend. And an emotional trend at that. We also agree about how very unchrist like they are online and in their evangelization. I hope this part one and part two have helped you. Also check out the RU-vid channel if you haven't, reason and theology. It'll help a ton as well.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Thank you, Sir. I certainly will. My issue with Orthodoxy is that it's filled with Protestants. Most people I have encountered in real life are good people though. But there are a few that have old resentment for the Catholic Church from their Protestant days. My Priest is a former Catholic too so we bonded over this and even he would have to tell other Parishioners to calm down a little because we really aren't THAT different at the end of the day. Most of these Orthodox converts did not shed their Protestant skin I guess is what I'm saying lol.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I was just a frustrated Trad who was confused. I pray God gives me humility. I was borderline Sedevacantist when I left. I want to come back with an open mind. Not zeal without knowledge.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. and who are the 7 kings that 5 have fallen?
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Mat_15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Mar_7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. that excludes, Popes, Mary, Saints, Priests, everyone but Jesus Christ alone
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Heb_12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
The Sixth Ecumenical Council in no way endorses papal infallibility--the Bishop of Rome is easily read to be defending the integrity of HIS church--the Church of Rome, one of the 5 primary Churches/dioceses making up the Catholic Church of the time. Also, hilariously, that same council went on to renounce and anathematize as a heretic a previous pope of Rome, Honorius I. This is absolutely incongruous with the argument about the infallibility of Rome.
It actually does though, which is what we showed in the video and demonstrated that even orthodox point this out. So just saying it doesn't teach that doesn't mean it doesn't. We talked about Honorious in the video and showed how it demolishes your argument and actually proves papal authority. So win/win
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I mean, you can also say that you've demonstrated something in a meaningful and convincing way, but that doesn't make it meaningful or convincing. Which it isn't.
Somewhat. What we mean by that is that, they only go back to the 11th century. But they had validly ordained Bishops and Priests who could validly ordained others and validly concept of the sacraments. But that does not give their Church legitimacy since they are still in schism.
WHAT TRULY MATTERS: I'M BLOWN AWAY AT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT CALL JESUS A LIAR. JESUS SAID THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD (JOHN 17:3). THE ONLY THING TRULY REQUIRED IS TO LISTEN INTENTLY TO WHAT JESUS IS SAYING ABOUT THE FATHER AND TO GET TO KNOW WHO THE FATHER IS AS WELL AS JESUS. ONLY THIS IS LIFE ETERNAL. NO STRANGERS CAN ENTER GOD'S KINGDOM. THE WORST WORDS EVER SAID TO MANKIND, TO ALL STRANGERS, WILL BE “DEPART FROM ME, I NEVER KNEW YOU” (MATTHEW 7:21-23).
Why are you shouting? No one is calling Jesus a liar. _Jesus said._ Well Jesus Hisself is God. _The only thing truly._ So you are saying this big giant book with all these instructions is simply garbage? Jesus also said to eat His flesh, but I bet you don't. After we get to know Jesus and His Father are we then to ignore the Holy Spirit? His virginal conception, dying on the cross for our sins...
@@dave_ecclectic JESUS DIED FOR TELLING THE TRUTH. IN JOHN 19:7, THE JEWS ANSWERED HIM, “WE HAVE A LAW, AND BY OUR LAW HE OUGHT TO DIE, BECAUSE HE MADE HIMSELF THE *SON* OF GOD.” JESUS HIMSELF SAID ONLY THAT HE WAS GOD’S SON-IT IS MAN WHO CLAIMS THIS IS A LIE. JESUS ALSO SAID THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD (JOHN 17:3). MAKING TWO GODS LEADS TO HELL, WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING WHEN THEY SAY JESUS IS GOD. TRUE BELIEVERS KNOW THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND ONE SAVIOR (1 CORINTHIANS 8:6). WHAT DO YOU MEAN IGNORE THE HOLY SPIRIT “AFTER YOU GET TO KNOW JESUS AND THE FATHER”? IT IS THE FATHER THAT SENDS THE HOLY SPIRIT TO US, IN THE NAME OF THE SON, AND IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO WILL TEACH US ALL THINGS OF GOD. WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE MYSTERIES OF THE WORDS JESUS SPEAKS (JOHN 14:26). THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT REVEALS TO US THE TRUTH BEHIND THE WORDS JESUS SPEAKS-BECAUSE THEY ARE THE WORDS FROM THE FATHER. NOTICE THAT IT IS THE FATHER WHO SENDS BOTH THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. THE FATHER IS PRIMARY.
@@annie5441 The Church invented *Minuscules* so people didn't have to shout in their letters. There is also a reason to use capitals, just as there is reason to use punctuation.
@@annie5441 I think the only time the Word of God shouted was at the temple with the money changers. There is a key on the left side of your keyboard marked *caps lock* try hitting it to turn it off. I notice your name is annie5441 and not ANNIE5441, so you must have hit it by mistake.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate(JESUS CHRIST): for wide is the gate(UNIVERSAL RELIGIONS), and broad is the way(WORLDLY RELIGIONS), that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate(JESUS CHRIST), and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Jesus started a teaching and preaching authoritative Church. He trained the disciples to be the leaders of the Church. They also passed on their authority to others through the laying on of hands. (Mt. 28:19; Jn. 20:21-23, Mt. 16:18-19, Lk. 10:16, Mt. 18:15-18; 1 Cor. 12:28-30, Eph. 4:11-12, Acts. 11:15, 1 Tim. 5:11 and many more). The church was around teaching and preaching, correcting and reproving, and making doctrine
@@CatholicTruthOfficial he trained the disciples to: Mar_16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Luk_4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
He gave the authority to bind and loose to the other apostles but only gave the keys to Peter. Meaning all authority flows from the chair of Peter which is what Catholics believe.
Even if it was true, he gave it uniquely to Peter in a special way in Matthew 16:18. He's ignoring that. I want to ignoring early fathers on this. We talk about this in the video.
@@Darth_Vader258even with those bad popes coming into leadership they never tried to change the teachings of the Church, meaning God guided them when it comes to that in spite of them being bad.
I always facepalm when I see these videos in my recommended from orthodox channels like "The errors of the Catholics". But it's like bro you guys got conquered on pentecost, do I need to say more?
@CatholicTruthOfficial I wasn't very clear...you have had guests of other faith backgrounds on your channel. I would love to see a video with you defending Catholicism against some of her arguments for Orthodoxy.
@@jcgurl3773 The point of the channel isn't honest discussion and the discovery of truth--it's about polemical apologetics for Catholicism. Why would they talk to someone who could refute Lofton's terrible arguments, for example?
I love Dr. Jeannie’s take as well & would love a healthy discussion between the two…guess he’s scared that if he speaks with an actual Orthodox Christian about what they actually believe & why rather than speak within an echo chamber he has created like this one then he will be caught in a sticky situation…
26:51 This division among the Orthodox is why I believe it was they who left the Church and not the west. I'm not talking about today's division but back when, when they left the *One Unified Church* they fragmented immediately. What had been a unified Church became for them several independent Churches, something that had never existed before. Not only that but this concept had never existed within the Israelites or the Jews. One priest over several main priests over many local priests. Not several equal priests governing their own area. Add in the so called filioque, a problem they claimed for 300 years but never brought to a council. That is the primary reason for calling ANY council and they did not do that. I feel the filioque was simply an excuse for something they did and had no reason for doing it. If it was such a problem, it should have been brought to a council to decide. 300 years was more than enough time.
Mar 2:22 And no man (but the Catholic church) putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles. and it started with Constantin the 6th head of the dragon! only God is infallable only the serpent thinks he is infallable! death or life only comes from God. Repent and believe the Gospel once you find it!
Thanks for the comment. There were over 30 popes before Constantine was even born. So clearly, Constantine didnt start the Catholic Church. You're promoting a conspiracy theory and a myth of history. Anyone can read the writings of the earliest Christians to see that they were Catholic centuries before Constantine was even born. If Constantine invented the Catholic Church, and it wasn't in existence before then, then how did Christians believe in Mary, the Pope, baptismal regeneration, the Eucharist, and other distinctive Catholic beliefs? Because Constantine starting the Catholic Church is a myth that no scholar subscribes to.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial 2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
@@richardjackson7887 But when Paul talked about "scripture" in 2 Timothy 3:16, he didn't give us any specific list of the names of the books that should be considered as inspired by God. So how are Christians supposed to know which books are worthy of being included as part of scripture ?
Simon son of Jonas do you know and do you love me,Lord you know that I love you feed my Lambs.Simon son of Jonas do you know and do you Love me,Lord you know I love you feed my Lambs.Simon son of Jonas,do you know and do you love me.Lord you know that I love you,feed my sheep.Who are the Lambs and who are the sheep that Jesus is talking about for Peter the first head of his Church to feed.Great video keep up the good work
It’s so obvious that Jesus changed Simon’s name to PETER THE ROCK ON WHICH I’LL BUILD MY CHURCH,Jesus did not say upon the other apostles I’ll build my Church but upon PETER.Try to understand that in the Old Testament God had appointed a High Priest above all the other Pharisee’s scribes and Sadducees,so Jesus Christ who Is The SON OF AND ETERNAL HIGH PRIEST has Done this in the NEW TESTAMENT.If you don’t believe this then it’s A’OK with me because there’s so much thing’s to learn from the Sacred Scripture and TRADITION’S handed down from the Apostles And Their Successors Hoo’Weee
@@johnchung6777I must mention I was a Roman Catholic until I was 45 I defended the understanding of the papacy from the teachings of the roman church. Now when Jesus meets St Peter in the gospel of of St John 1:42 that's when Simon gets the name Cephas ( Peter). Now my question is how does Jesus the verse where Jesus says Simon son of Jonas indicate the Supremacy of the Pope's, and why didn't Jesus call him Peter? Thanks for responding
@@OrthodoxStudy-wd5nk It’s really simple because Simon is called peter by the Son Of God Jesus Christ,and it’s so obviously clearer than daylight that Simon Peter is the same person.He’s not two different person’s,so no matter how you try to understand this Simon is Peter and Peter is Simon.
@@johnchung6777I know that Simon Cephas and Peter are the same person but what I am curious is whys Jesus didn't call in Peter the rock? Also how does St John 21:15-19 show supremacy and infallibility. I have the bible commentaries from the early church fathers and I don't see them indicating this
Theological On the Orthodox side. Even though Western. Rome is the biggest 🔥 hotmess right now than even Luther would have conceived. And this man butcher the word Catholicism in the intro. Not nice.
Orthodox is a huge mess as well and always has been. You have churches that can't even agree with each other and excommunicate one another. And just saying that this man is wrong doesn't mean he is you have to give facts. What you meant to say was you didn't watch the video.
Rome ain’t a mess, Rome is literally the capital of Christianity. If you took Catholicism away, Christianity would IMMEDIATELY lose most of its influence over the world. Without Rome, there IS NO CHRISTIANITY. There’s just a bunch of small fringe beliefs about Jesus that all contradict each other and don’t have any real impact other than harming peoples minds.
With this teaching of purgatory by the roman catholic church, God can not be just. Example someone baptized on their deathbed who was not faithful all their lives, goes straight to heaven, good thing he was not baptized as an infant and someone faithful all their lives but was baptized as an infant and died with not enough merit, will have to suffer in purgatory for who knows how long. Should not the faithful avoid purgatory, common sense says yes. And how bout this crazy scenario. a person has invalid baptism as an infant, the wrong word we instead of I, and never knew about. On their deathbed asks a priest for a conditional baptism on the slight chance that their infant baptism was not valid. Guess what on the account of the priest saying the wrong word, no purgatory for this person, no suffering. That is just a couple reasons i can not believe in purgatory. It is just common sense
You know God can't be tricked by a clerical error by the priest right? Plus, it's clear from macabees, we can pray for the souls in purgatory. I certainly don't believe that people can find Jesus and then sin like hitler their entire lives with NO consequences.
Purgatory is absolutely just. Many people would say that the owner of the vineyard and the parables, who gave the people at the end of the day the same amount of wages as those who worked a full day in the sun was unjust. The fact is, people who die after baptism have no sin or stain of sin. That's just a truth. It has nothing to do with unjustice. It has to do with God's mercy and generosity, just like in the parable. It's not whether or not you die with enough merit, it's whether you have any sins on your soul or attachments to sin. Lost is not allowed in heaven, nor is anger, gossip, sloth, and other imperfections. They must be purified. The bible says nothing unclean or impure will enter heaven. Purgatory is just sanctification completed.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial So if a woman has a abortion and gets her tubes tied and gets absolved, she will not get any time in purgatory for those 2 mortals because you can not have attachment for sins that is impossible to commit anymore, right Bryan?
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Thank you for showing how you can't show your version of Christianity is any better than the next and that you can't do what jesus promises to his true followers. What's the problem, CTO? Why are you, and every other self-professed christians such failures?
.@@andreasbenjamin2438 I think that is a sentence. Or a Verse. Not a chapter. Chapter 14 includes verses 12 and 14 among many others which if read you may understand scripture. You forgot to tell him you were playing chess and not asking a question.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Catholics teach the innovation of papal supremacy. The Orthodox understanding of infallibility makes much more sense. Christ is “the head of the church” (Ephesians 5:23) and the Orthodox Church, as “the pillar and the ground of the truth” (1 Timothy 3:15) is infallible “but there is no such thing as personal infallibility.” Papal supremacy is a distortion-innovation.
@@gunsgalore7571 Sola popetura! Protestant innovation is no different than Papist innovations. Two peas in a pod because they were separated from the same tree branch. Besides, even your own pope said Orthodox have valid sacraments. It is true Orthodox have valid sacraments, but I’m not so certain about the papist church.
@@P-el4zd Mhm. And it looks like you might not have watched this video, because it totally debunks the claim that the Catholic Church is the one that separated. And I'm not saying this video is the end-all-be-all, but it still proves my point, because if you had actually watched it, you would be responding to the logic in the video and not just making dumb comments that don't address the video's point.
This is called indifferentism, religion is not something you can just pick and choose like a flavour at an ice cream shop to your liking. Only one has the fullness of truth. It's not "ok" to be in schism from the mystical body of Christ the catholic church. Read your catechism bro.
he good thief on the cross was before Jesus was resurrected and went to put his blood on the mercy seat which is the throne of God1 Behold, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world! if you died with Christ you will be resurrected at his return Heb_9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this
@@andreasbenjamin2438they USED to be under the Pope, and THEY ARE IN DISSENT. This is why it’s called a SCHISM. They are currently cut off from the Church by their OWN CHOICE. Council of Florence brought them back, and they rejected it!
When you said all you want is TLM that messes up everything, there was a time when the Church put restrictions on the Charismatic movement and there was a good reason for it and that is same to TLM. When the leadership of the Church realizes that those grouping are loosing focus of their faith then the Church in its wisdom put some restrictions until the grouping come back to their senses.
@@johnosumba1980the TLM doesn’t need restricted bc there is nothing wrong with it. Issues are much more likely to come out of the novus ordo than the TLM.
@@stevied3400 nothing is wrong with it but something is wrong with part of the people who believe in it just the same way charismatic movements itself was not wrong but a section of people who believed and were aligned with it so the Church had to control it. You need to go back in history to understand Church’s decision. The problem comes when individuals starts thinking they are holier than others.
The east and the west are not in communion in any way although the pope may speak differently on both the oriental and eastren orthodox. First point 21 Coptic Orthodox martyrs will be inserted into the Roman Martyrology of the Catholic Church as a sign of the spiritual communion of the two Christian Churches. How could that be when pope Eugene IV Council of Florence said that no salvation outside the church even for those who shed their blood for Christ. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church. Now Pope Francis apologized to the Eastren orthodox for what the roman church did in regard to the schism. This quote is from Pope Francis “Shamefully, patriarch - I acknowledge this for the Catholic Church - actions and decisions that had little or nothing to do with Jesus and the Gospel, but were instead marked by a thirst for advantage and power, gravely weakened our communion,” the pope told Ieronymos II, the Archbishop of Athens and All Greece. “In this way, we let fruitfulness be compromised by division,” Francis added. “History makes its weight felt, and here, today, I feel the need to ask anew for the forgiveness of God and of our brothers and sisters for the mistakes committed by many Catholics Seems to me that the pope have different ideas then those of loftin or Brian. So attacking the Orthodox church is going against what their Pope's say and obviously make these videos obsolete and ridiculous especially if they truly believe in the roman church teaching on the papacy. I mean you have a saint the have veneration to the quaran, had other religions gather together including pagans that prayed to their gods which St Paul called devils. And this comes from false ecumenism and if you read freemasons writings on ecumenism you will see the same ideas. There is so much that can be said here. The point is no eastern Orthodox can not be in communion with this and amount other teachings of the roman church. I was a Roman Catholic and had serious questions about this for many years and then about a year ago or more I started looking into these questions, digging deeper and deeper into church history and discovered Eastren orthodoxy, long story short I left the Roman Church and now becoming Orthodox. Sorry for the length of the comment. But someone on here likes to accuse me of not backing up what I say.
Why did you remove my comment? Are you afraid that i will reveal the truth? God's truth not your religion's truth. Please kindly explain 1 Corinth chapter 14....with an honest answer....not dodging the real question
We only remove comments that are pre-written, have outside links, or are troll comments meaning they don't watch the video and don't comment specifically on the video.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial the link was from the Bible YouVersion app. It's not a hazardous link. 🙄 And the topic was about tongues which you'll probably never discuss. It's in the Bible and i sincerely asked for your explanation about this topic from 1 Corinth chapter 14.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I've watched the videos about the spiritual gifts, still you're not explaining 1 Corinth chapter 14. You skipped the 3rd type of tongues which is a personal prayer directly and intimately to the Father enabled by the Holy Spirit. So if through Jesus we can naturally pray directly to the Father, now the Holy Spirit enable us to spiritually pray an even more intimate prayer to the Father. That's why you won't ever need any other intercessors like your so called saints. You just need the Holy Spirit to help you pray and Him pray for you. Hallelujah 🔥
It's about relationship with Jesus and do the will of God, so simple. Most catholic don't understand the gospel, and they don't read their bible that's the big problem in Church today orthodox, catholic whatever it doesn't matter the Bible is one and human divided it.
That’s a straw man. You don’t know what you’re talking about, every single Mass there’s Bible readings. The Catholic Church are the ones who MADE THE BIBLICAL CANON, YET YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SAY THEY DONT READ THE BIBLE? Straw man. Straw. Man.
@@CatholicTruthOfficialThe real Jesus said "Our Father who art in HEAVEN..." "My kingdom is not of this earth" In regards to spiritual matters "call no one on earth your Father..." The guy in the vatican calls himself holy father. How arrogant to steal the title of the true and living God. Who is mocking whom friend??
We showed how the Eastern Orthodox have nothing but false attacks, and we answered them with facts. You gave none. Seems like you perhaps didn't understand your faith before you left.
@@Tpxp-z7xlet's see where to start, venerating a false gospel, praying with false religions in Assisi including pagan, which st Paul condemned as demons. And the many heresies of John Paul 2, you would need to watch a video on that, commenting on all them I don't have the time. Plus false teaching of supremacy even though the early church in context proves something totally different. Roman Catholic like to do quotes out of context and they do this often just as they accuse protestants do with the bible etc
@@Tpxp-z7xalso 21 Coptic Oriental orthodox martyrs will be inserted into the Roman Martyrology of the Catholic Church as a sign of the spiritual communion of the two Christian Churches How can a pope and the one true faith say that there is a spiritual communion, oriental Orthdox split from both the west and the east before the great schism. And this I deal lead to false ecumenism which is the belief of freemason etc. and that kind of thinking lead to what I mention in my first response to you and there is so much more
@@Marcissus wow because I made a spelling mistake now that really discredits eastren Orthodoxy. There is nothing cool about Orthodoxy, this is one reason why you can't see the truth, Christ's Church is sacred not cool.
