The risks of wake turbulence have been understood for a long time, but it's fairly rare to see it demonstrated on a recording so clearly. Even though I'm pretty sure the trailing A-380 (in the second example) was never in any actual danger, I hope the airlines and regulators see this and think about whether their spacing protocols might need to be changed a bit. ... and it's probably only because of LA Flights' emphasis on heavy jets that we get to see this at all (I saw it on the live stream yesterday).
Those pilots were just getting their "moments of abject terror" out of the way early so they can cruise to Asia with 15 hour of boredom. Seriously though I'd like to have Kelsey weigh in on that, because that abrupt wing drop looked kind of concerning. Right on takeoff they're flying low and slow, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a serious incident, but obv I'll wait for the experts to discuss it.
@@dexon777 If you read my remarks more carefully you'd notice that I said I saw the live stream yesterday. I'm not a pilot, but I do know a few things about optics and long-range photography and I can state that the perspective in a shot like that can be very deceptive. If an actual heavy-jet pilot has something to say about the apparent wake turbulence I'd be very interested. Other than that, I'll stand by what I said, which is just opinion in any event.
Have been studying and researching on airplanes & aviation since i was a little boy. But i have never seen an A380 being affected by the wake turbulence of another A380!!🤯🤯 This was truly fascinating! Thank you for such content🙏🏻
After watching an episode of Mayday, I think this captures the amazing power of airplane wakes. I’m sure we all can agree to have the planes spaced out just a few minutes to avoid an unnecessary accident. Amazing footage LA Flights!
By definition unless a plane crashes then wake turbulence is within safe limits. Do we replace our tires the first sign of wear and thinning? Flying is so safe increased safety adds cost and pushes more poor into their cars. There was famous example of FAA saying strapping babies in own seat was safer than mom holding her, but then quarter of 1m moms would choose to drive to not pay extra $300 for ticket for baby, and this leads to more dead babies like 200 over decade in car accidents than ever saved by being saved by not being secure on flight maybe 1..... Just saying "more safety" is simplistic, why not mandate 10 minute plane separation just build more airports...... People including me should leave it to experts...
Time is money. Business as usual. Gotta *push them off the tarmac not more than 2 minutes* after each other, rrright... until some smaller craft hits a tower, chimney or something or just comes straight down. 🎉
A little background information by an ATC Trainee: there are several values how long we have to wait between departures of certain pairs: - e.g. Cessna 172 behind A380: 8NM/3 minutes - B747 behind A380: 6NM/2 minutes However, between two succeeding A380s no value is prescribed. To be honest, we don‘t understand why…
Wow I thought the title was clickbait until I saw that second Asiana get it. What a ride, you guys did a great job capturing it, thanks for your diligence and hard work!
I’m really glad that during the last wake turbulence, you had the utility pole as a reference for scale. The 380 actually dropped altitude a few times and you could see it quite clearly.
I fully expected to watch it and come back and explain it’s likely parallax error, diffraction, etc. that might explain some of it, but they definitely got tossed around and looks like they lost some lift for a bit. Not sure if they dropped, even a decrease in lift will look like a drop from that angle and distance.
I don't understand why they have these super jumbos taking off so close too each other. Their should be some time between each take off too prevent such turbulence. For example, the first two A380's were EXTREMELY close too each other while both in take off flight. I don't know if that's an LAX thing but we don't operate like that here in Boston Logan.
I guess its LA and also a big aircraft vs the same one with big controls over its wings... If theres obvious differences between size then its too dangerous
Their timing is specifically designed based on aircraft creating the wake and ones following, and all controllers follow extremely strict guidelines on this - it can be close with A380s because the wake impact is relative to the size of the aircraft flying INTO it. Even a massive A380s wake turbulence isn’t a big deal to another A380.
Among the reason: LA was busy as always and the only plane that can withstand a380 wake are the a380 itself. With back2back A380 departure, it save time and money cause they didn't have to wait after one flying. You see, if they put a smaller aircraft after an a380, there's like a 3-5 minutes buffers time before they can takeoff. With every time airlines on the ground, it cost airlines and airport Millions. You can just read Skybrary A380 wake vortex guidance.
Great shot seeing the 2 380s climbing, reminds me of the final landings of Concorde at London Heathrow, tv cameras picked up 2 Concorde's in the same shot, it was a sight that had never been seen before.
@@katrinajones8788 I get that things happen, but as a passenger I'd be pretty unhappy and worried after getting buffeted around like that (and more importantly, that close to the ground where there isn't a ton of altitude yet if something actually serious does happen).
It looks to me like they over-compensated for what they thought would be a roll to the left, and instead created their own roll to the right around 7:08, which they had to correct. The plane was never remotely close to anything dangerous, but yeah, nervous flyers probably weren't happy with that departure.
In 2001 wake turbulence killed several hundred people on an AA Airbus 300 flight 587 and i thought the need for wake turbulence separation is to avoid similar accident from happening again. But here we are in 2023 watching some huge birds dangling and dancing in the air. It seems FAA controllers did not learn from flight 587
587 did not crash due to wake turbulence. It crashed because the FO violently pushed the rudder from side to side until it snapped. They did learn from it, as training manuals no longer encourage pilots to mess with the rudder to overcome the wake turbulence. As it can be seen in the video, the pilots are doing just fine by adjusting the bank angle.
I am surprised right after they pulled up the gear that the pilot just didn't veer out of the flight takeoff path that the previous heavy used just to ensure they didn't run into wake turbulence and make the flight correction once they had more sufficient altitude...the pilot had to have been expecting it.
Right! Part of me wonders if the sharp turn we saw was actually the pilot steering out of the way of the wake turbulence. We didn’t really see an equally sharp maneuver back onto the departure heading.
Pilots can ask for more time if they believe it's unsafe to take off. I've heard pilots tell an ATC they'd rather wait, especially after an A380/747 has departed. If I were piloting either of these planes, I would have asked for an extra minute or so to give the wake some time to calm down.
Well. If I was pilot, I'd *absolutely expect* ATC to keep things safe regarding separation *at all times, without asking* so all I can say, this is shifting blame to the pilots and obviously a little too lousy on part of the ATC... I see a bias here to keep ATC not responsible. Who else is then? 🎉
@@robadzso Yet you cant expect to always give into others judgement in any industry, if your gut instinct tells you something sounds unreasonable or unsafe. Pilots can and should push back if the situation calls for it, they are trained to do so not just there to push buttons. Complacency goes both ways.
That is insanely cool! I've always wondered how these two airlines battle it out in the sky since they usually always have depart in short intervals. And to actually shoot to huge planes - amazing! Thanks for this video!
Really like that you checked in before reproducing footage! That kind of courtesy between content creators is great to see.... SO much aggregation & plain ol' uncredited copying goes on in YT space unfortunately, & creators often seem to think that if they're adding something (voice over, commentary, etc) then they don't need to ask originsl posters, and/or don't even need to credit them? 😐 I always really appreciate it when I find a channel that does go the extra mile & that cites its sources properly. Kudos to both the original creators & you! 😘
@@katrinajones8788 On a takeoff profile while heavily loaded you can't just slow down and climb above an invisible wake turbulence..and that is what they would have to do, slow down to climb faster and above.....the only way to safely avoid it is sit on the runway and wait just like a smaller aircraft is instructed when following a larger aircraft.
@@ymml467 When pilots take off close behind another aircraft, the plane needs to climb at an angle that places it above the flight path of the proceeding aircraft to avoid the wake, being that wake turbulence sinks. They can't see the wake turbulence, but they can see the aircraft in front of them (just like the Asiana could see Korean in front of it). Yes, the best way is to just wait, but if pilots decide not to, then they need to take steps to avoid the wake during climb out to avoid a possible upset.
@Blue looks like they had enough spacing only need the first one to be 4 miles away before the 2nd starts departure roll and 90 seconds with a plane as powerful as an a380 should roughly get it done
As you know, the time difference between those two arriving in Korea is only within 10 minutes. It is impressive to see a Korean Air pilot rolling-take-off from Korea to match the arrival time of Asiana Thank you for the great video
Wow, that was incredible! Two Flying Whales going at each other! 😂 The tower should had Asiana waited for 3 to 5 minutes on 24L. Wake turbulence ain't no joke that's for sure but impressive fellas great catch! 🛫🛫
A380 is a wonderful machine to fly! Personally, I feel the computer righting the plane in a good position, but gently in order to remain comfortable and not to frighten the passengers. It is still acclaimed all around the globe for its unique quiet, relaxing, spacious travel experience (the straight exterior wall, maybe) My favorite plane!
That Asiana actually lost altitude it was dropping quick for a moment that’s why it made that quick right turn to get out of the vortex. For passengers it was definitely a very frightening experience I imagine because you do feel like you’re falling straight down for that moment, happened to me a few years back in Chicago
Awesome catch! Would you be okay with me featuring this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!
Why are they letting them take off that close to each other ?!? The international airport near me, makes them use alternate perpendicular runways if the take off time is that close to each other.
Wake turbulence is no joke. Such turbulence from A380 nearly crashed a small private jet over Indian Ocean a couple years ago. And that was on cruise altitude.
Yep. The plane rolled over several times in midair. Thankfully, it landed safety but the plane was a complete write off due to the damage and some of the passengers suffered broken ribs and head injuries.
I fly the 747 and there have been stories from coworkers where they've been in a 30+ degree bank to the right with the yoke fully deflected to the left during bad wake turbulence. It's nuts.
I understand departure procedures etc, but in this case, would it have been better for the trailing AC to fly say several degrees to the left. I mean would it not eventually be going through wake turbulence periodically seen as that it is behind the other AC ??
Seeing it fall from the sky for that brief moment and turn right to escape the vortex is extremely unnerving. There’s a 3 minute rule., But then this route is a gold mine for these specific airlines, it’s unsettling to speculate what may be the obvious
This is well out of order ! Absolutely no respect being given to the wake turbulence that follows the A380s ! Even a departing A380 leaves a very turbulent ground wake for several minutes after leaving the runway.
Didn’t expect to see an A380 being pushed around in wake turbulence ! If taxiways need to be cleared for super wingspans and separation increased for wake turbulence, doesn’t that mean the total number of passengers getting though the airport is fewer when these big beasts are around, despite their greater capacity ? If I was a bizjet there, I’d think twice before taking off anytime soon behind them.
While that may be cool to look at, meaning the wake turbulence, It can be really dangerous. there was a plane crash that happened not long after 911 and it was an airbus that went down in New York, it was caused by wake turbulence from a 747 and the particular plane which I believe was an airbus A310, if I'm not mistaken and the guy was hitting the rudder pedals a little bit too hard and it caused the tail section the horizontal a stabilizer to break off due to him pushing the rudder pedals beyond their limit and it caused it to crash in New York. I'm sure you guys know which one I'm talking about.
Yes, I remember that one. It was AA flight 587 and it was an A300. Many people thought it was another terrorist attack, but as you mentioned, it was the pilot overuse of the rudder to correct wake turbulence. Very unfortunate and sad incident.
Affirm, while i would say it was more of a manouvering error due to fast response provided by the pillots, still wake turbulence is a no joke. I hope they file a report and do something.
Yeah AA 587. A300 . Pilots seeme aware of the wake turbulance and that was what it was but one of them hit the rudder hard which added to the turbulance and the pilots thought it was still the wake turbulance. I guess other pilots had noted that this particular pilot was hard on the rudder but it turned out that there was an issue with the training manuel that AA put out regarding wake turbulance and using the rudder. Irony was that several people who were killed on 587 were survivors of 911 including from escaping from the attack on the WTC towers.
I was a Northwest Airlines Flight Attendant finishing up in the back galley of a B-757 when we hit the wake of a B747-400 going into L.A. I thought I was inside of a spin cycle! 🤮 Those stretch B757's can really get crazy in the tail section!
