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Celestion Alnico Blue, Ruby, Gold and Cream Shootout 

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Celestion's Alnico Blue speaker is one of the most iconic guitar speakers ever made. In this video we play through it's bigger brothers, the Alnico Gold, Cream and latest addition the Alnico Ruby.
First we talk through our experience using all four speakers and then play through each speaker with a few different style. You can hear the early breakup from the blue and its bell like qualities, how the higher powered alnico cream brings some warmth to the sound. We talk through how the power rating effects whether you can use the speakers in 1x12 and 2x12 cabinets and the classic amps that these speakers (mainly the Blue in Vox and Marshall amps) would be used for.
We played these speakers in the Zilla Compact 1x12 with an open back cab.
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Alnico Blue 7:45
Alnico Ruby 9:45
Alnico Gold 11:35
Alnico Cream 13:25
Gear used: Marshall 87 Marshall Silver Jubilee (on 50 watt setting) 2550, 2000 Les Paul Classic with stock pickups. Joe also used a TC electronic mojo mojo overdrive.

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@danyjr
@danyjr 4 года назад
Clean: Blue 7:45 Ruby 9:46 Gold 11:35 Cream 13:24 Overdrive: Blue 8:02 Ruby 10:01 Gold 11:51 Cream 13:39 Distortion: Blue 8:20 Ruby 10:20 Gold 12:11 Cream 13:56
@d.a.t.4699
@d.a.t.4699 3 года назад
dude...thx for this
@d.a.t.4699
@d.a.t.4699 3 года назад
aftet listening to all of the clean side by side, i cant hear the dif lol...somebody get me a doctor...or was it coffee beans?
@jonathanvenegas7543
@jonathanvenegas7543 3 года назад
@@d.a.t.4699 don’t worry it’s normal. Critical listening is a skill that takes years to develop... I went to audio engineering school, worked live sound and played in bands for years, and every year I’m hearing new things in my microphones, guitars, and amps that I couldn’t notice before. Your brain and ears are like muscles, they work together to focus in on sounds and frequencies. The more you practice this hidden skills the better you’ll become at noticing this stuff
@d.a.t.4699
@d.a.t.4699 3 года назад
@@jonathanvenegas7543 word on that!!! cheers man!
@ChadWork1
@ChadWork1 3 года назад
Thank you! They edited the clips in the most retarded way for a shootout.
@bluesful
@bluesful 3 года назад
That Cream Alnico is so versatile. Sounds great across clean, OD and distortion.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
I agree, its a great speaker.
@topdog2583
@topdog2583 2 года назад
Yeah the cream sounds the best to me on all of them. Thanks for this. I've been trying to decide between them
@MatnessYT
@MatnessYT 5 лет назад
Really like the Alnico Blue. It has that rich sound to it. Seem's like I have to buy another cab with one of these! Keep up the good work guys!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
yeah the Blue definitely has that iconic sound, a nice warmth but also a really nice top end.. as long as you can get away with the lower power rating it is a great speaker.
@scottdavidson6066
@scottdavidson6066 2 года назад
The Cream is sounding pretty great-especially under distortion.
@marccarter1350
@marccarter1350 Год назад
I have placed a cream in my Blues Jr. Yep, i had to remove the plastic barrel on the end of the speaker! Loads more head room in a 15 watt amp. Amazing clean sound, i can hear each note alone. The cleaner the better for me!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs Год назад
I bet that sounded great.
@YMESYDT
@YMESYDT Год назад
I really want to mix creams and golds, I think that would be a stunning combo
@johndcx
@johndcx 4 года назад
best speaker demo ever ...great work
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks for that John, that is very kind of you.
@tylerdurden9765
@tylerdurden9765 4 года назад
The Blue is a classic for a reason. Along with the original greenback the blue represents the pinnacle of guitar speakers at least for those looking for a more vintage tone. The other speakers sound good but the blue has a better balance going from a beautiful shimmery chime to full throated harmonically rich crunch.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
I do agree there, the Blue is a classic. I thin the cream is going to be seen as that one day and is very useful but the blue does have the heritage to back it up. Thanks for checking out the video.
@MrBluzhound
@MrBluzhound 8 месяцев назад
Wholeheartedly agree. If the Blue was a 25w speaker I’d push the buy button today. Even paired up with something in a 2x12, it’s a 30w cab and that scares me.
@harveycan5820
@harveycan5820 4 месяца назад
Tyler - - it was beautiful. Thanks for citing that! The others... Not so much. But it's all subjective.
@kidawesome8665
@kidawesome8665 4 года назад
Great vid guys, and thanks to the guy who put in the time links. I love these speakers. I have a blue in my Vox hardwired ac4, and a cream in an open back 1/2 that I plug various amps in to. I think aggressive is the right word for the gold-not my cup of tea, but I’m blown away by the new ruby. It’s incredibly warm, and thin on the low end in just the right way. I love the clarity of the blue top end in my vox, but it takes that Vox heavy overdriven tone and it tends to thin out at the top end and get a little piercing. This ruby might be the solution.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks for watching. I think we should spend a bit more time on the Ruby, I know there is a place for it where it will be amazing, I'm just not sure where it is. I think that would be a great video, having these four alnico in an AC30 and doing a shoot out there.
@harveycan5820
@harveycan5820 4 месяца назад
I think trying them in pairs in a 2x12 would be a great demo!
@gearoftones8585
@gearoftones8585 3 года назад
I love the blue and Gold. I've already got an AC15 with a Blue in it I've got one with a G12H 55 And my 3rd one is about to get an Alnico Gold. I run them in a wet/dry/wet set up 🤟
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 2 года назад
That's great, I;ve never played an AC15 or AC30 with a gold before but I bet that could really work.
@ed1978ed
@ed1978ed 2 года назад
@@ZillaCabs A friend of mine has my old Golds in his AC30 and it sounds glorious!
@RMosack
@RMosack 2 года назад
Great video(s), as usual! I can lose hours watching these. After years of having a Gold in a 2x12 (currently paired with a Private Jack), I realized a better use for it. That 2x12 has to support Synergy preamps driven by a Synergy power amp. Lots of Marshall type tones. The Gold was never quite right. I finally hooked it up to my Allen Encore (Blackface Vibrolux type circuit) and was extremely pleased. It may be a British speaker, but I think it excels supporting that clean, Fender sound. Not soo much Marshall crunch and Soldano type lead tones. For what it's worth, that 2x12 will now house a Creamback G12M-65 and a Creamback G12H-75. Yes, I watched those videos dozens of times the past week or two!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 2 года назад
Thanks mate that's really kind of you!
@stuartwhite7514
@stuartwhite7514 5 лет назад
Great video. Good to get a well recorded comparison with some cool playing. Loving my 2x12 fatboy with Creams, great cab and looks and sounds awesome 👍
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
Thanks Stuart, I'm not sure what I love more, a pair of AlNiCo creams or black croc with wicker ;)
@dennysiu1212
@dennysiu1212 4 года назад
What's music style suitable for a paired of alnico cream?
@RokinLee
@RokinLee 10 месяцев назад
Great to hear your thoughts and experiences. Very useful!
@benwah1854
@benwah1854 2 года назад
Guys.... excellent video for sure. Would like to see a video that compares these speakers with an electric 12-string. (clean and over-driven) Truth is that most people considering the old-style Celestion AlNiCo speakers are looking for the early to mid-60s sound. Especially would like to hear comparisons with the 10" versions and the 12" versions. Electric 12-string guitars are severely neglected these days.
@j.rozman7016
@j.rozman7016 5 лет назад
Great comparison! I love Ruby in my Tone King Imperial. Perfect combination! works very well with OD pedals-really smooths out the harsh high end. I thinks its a great match for lower watt Fender style amps, which tend to be on a bright side. Cheers! :)
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
That is a great analysis. I would really like to do a video trying them with a Fender style amp.
@scooter5179
@scooter5179 4 года назад
I have an alnico cream speaker in my toneking imperial 20th sounds great
@uzefulidiot
@uzefulidiot 4 года назад
...aaaand I've got a Blue in my Tone King Meteor 1x12, really like it.
@beestew79
@beestew79 Год назад
Happy to be your 500th like. I was hoping you guys had an alnico shootout. Thanks for making these cool comparisons.
@enriquekikzdelapazbichain1126
@enriquekikzdelapazbichain1126 4 года назад
Omg that ruby is super sweet
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Glad you like it, it tends to be peoples least favourite in this shootout but I really do think it has some qualities that would make it someones favourite, there is something about it.
@harveycan5820
@harveycan5820 4 месяца назад
It has a particular texture to it that could be just right in a mix but I'd not like to have only that speaker.
@robertdurrwachter
@robertdurrwachter 2 года назад
Didn't spend enough time on the Cream! And it's the best one!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 2 года назад
It's probably my favourite too... this was a relatively early video for us and we were still learning. As we love the cream we've since made quite a few videos on it if you'd like some more content. Thanks. Paul
@cazziebb1707
@cazziebb1707 3 года назад
I have a Blue in my Princeton - sounds beautiful.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
It's a great speaker but I especially like them with Fenders. Glad you like it and thanks for watching.
@harveycan5820
@harveycan5820 4 месяца назад
I have a cream in my Deluxe Reverb 65 reissue. Sounds really sparkly at low and moderate volume but totally roars when cranked!
@fabiogramani3849
@fabiogramani3849 4 года назад
Hi there! Really like your videos! I think speakers and cabs make a HUGE diference in sound and it's not very often that we see a channel dedicated to that!! One thing I always wonder when watching videos comparing speakers is; why not including in the end of the video, the sounds for each speaker using the best settings for each one (in your opinion)? Cheers!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks Fabio, that is really kind of you. You are right to bring that up about amp settings. When we are planning videos we are often torn between getting what we consider to be the best sound for that speaker and portraying what each speaker sounds like on one amp setting. In reality as players we would all combine the two. I am sometimes maybe a little too conscious of bringing my own bias in to what sounds good as I would use each of these speakers for quite different things so the amp settings may end up being quite different, making it hard to see what the different speakers are doing...... that said, this does give scope for a hell of a lot more comparison videos. Thanks for the input, you brought up some really important points Fabio.
@FinleyWheatback
@FinleyWheatback 3 года назад
Thanks for this. I'm looking for the perfect Alnico for my '64 Deluxe. I like to be able to drive the speaker a little sometimes, but I need clean sounds too, so I always thought the Blue wasn't enough, and the Gold was too much. I"m thinking the Ruby might be best choice. Excellent demonstrations.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
Thanks for watching, let us know how you get on.
@LesPaul3399
@LesPaul3399 3 года назад
CREAM!!!
@scottdavidson6066
@scottdavidson6066 2 года назад
The Ruby-yes!!
@Artress357
@Artress357 3 года назад
That ruby might be just what my Friedman dirty shirley mini has been asking for...
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
I wasn't a big fan of the Ruby at first but I am starting to find it is mixing nicely with quite a few different speakers.
@harveycan5820
@harveycan5820 4 месяца назад
OK now that you started playing the playing is fabulous! Here's my take: Blue, Cream, Gold, Ruby. They all sound great cranked but to me only the Blue was truly versatile. It was the only one that sounded BEAUTIFUL. It was rich, resonant, sparkling. It was the only one where my breathing stopped for a sec. It hit me emotionally. The Cream had its moments and had some versatility but did not move me. The Gold was OK for a breakup sound, and the Ruby... Not the first time it underwhelmed me. It was OK for a gritty sound but a limited range. Maybe it would sound good in a cab with another type speaker? But for me the Blue soared above the others. I don't know how to evaluate the contribution of the cab here but each speaker was able to have its voice heard. And again... The playing was stellar. Next time... Start playing at 2 minutes! 😊
@edisontsang8365
@edisontsang8365 4 года назад
It would really be my dream to have such great speaker cabs with my Blackstar HT5
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
We made a Fatbaby 1x12 with an AlNiCo cream for use with a HT5 last year. Unfortunately we didn't get to play it but the customer loved it.
@d.a.t.4699
@d.a.t.4699 3 года назад
thx for the vid. i liked the blue and cream...
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
Yeah those are my two favourites too. Thanks for watching.
@greatwhite3676
@greatwhite3676 4 года назад
man i'm diggin that ruby maybe because its new but it sounded killer. Always been a greenback guy with marshalls just what i need something else i want to buy/try.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Hi Toni, I think the Ruby is one of those love/hate speakers, it's not my favourite but it is clear it has certain qualities that some people will love. If you get one let us know how you get on with it.
@user-jq4fz6co8b
@user-jq4fz6co8b 5 месяцев назад
I'll always prefer the Ruby. I like how darker speakers sound in the room...they're so much sweeter on the ears for high-gain tones. Plus, with a darker speaker, you have a lot more options that open up to you when it comes to mic'ing--a lot of the standard choices are fairly bright, so you forfeit being able to direct those direct tones. Darker speakers allow you to get a bit closer to the cap--with basically any mic--and get the most harmonic information, without sounding shrill or nasty.
@harveycan5820
@harveycan5820 4 месяца назад
Nice ears. It was my least favorite speaker here but I suspected it could be profitably used in a mix - - which you articulated very well. It definitely has a texture to it that the others don't have. I heard Ruby in another demo and thought it dark but not so here. It was just gritty without sparkle, but not dark. Thanks!
@andrew6978
@andrew6978 3 года назад
Nice video lads. I think the Ruby's best use is taming an amp with a harsh top end, my AC30TBX for instance has blues and is a bit ice picky in the upper mids, even after 15 years of playing. I downloaded some Ruby IRs from Celestion and use them with the Axe FX3 AC30TB model, perfect combination. I would never use an alnico for something like metal, that's what 4xV30 cabs are for.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
Thanks Andrew. We definitely need to spend a bit more time with the ruby, trying to figure it out a bit more. SOunds like you've got a head start on us.
@stevehughes1510
@stevehughes1510 Год назад
As I expected the Blue and Ruby for overall brightness compared to the other two...........thanks Zilla for the A/Bs.
@electricurinal
@electricurinal 4 года назад
I like the throaty snort of the Ruby. Might change the greenback in my AC15c1. I like greenbacks, but in this particular amp they are a bit brittle. The Ruby would probably be a good bet.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Great, the Ruby is quite a unique sound, if you load one you AC15c1 let me know what it sounds like!
@Funkybassuk
@Funkybassuk Год назад
All 4 sounded great and would be good choices for different applications. I currently have a blue in my AC15 and my Tweed Deluxe. I’m thinking of the Cream for a high powered 1x12”.
@amarildodepaula7017
@amarildodepaula7017 4 года назад
Great video!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks for watching, I am glad you found it useful.
@accurtis2763
@accurtis2763 4 года назад
Thoughts on a Gold/Ruby mix for a 50w Hiwatt DR style amp? I love it through a pair of Golds but am curious what a Ruby would bring. Or, two cabs with one of each.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
That's a really interesting one. I'm no expert on Hiwatts, we really should have one here for testing. The Ruby is a weird one for me, I'm not sure I've quite found its place yet. I would say though that the Gold and Ruby are the closest linked of the AlNiCos... although being quite pricey I would be cautious of talking someone in to buying one just to try.
@accurtis2763
@accurtis2763 4 года назад
@@ZillaCabs just saw this now. Sorry! Thank you for the honest feedback. 👍👍
@davidkimmerly7711
@davidkimmerly7711 4 года назад
I personally run an JCM800 into a blend of a Gold with a G12 heritage in a Hyperion closed back...absolutely stellar combo for the higher gain stuff as the G12 smooths out the top end of the gold. I sure they will sound amazing in on of the Zilla 212s too!
@jojokeo
@jojokeo 3 года назад
Nobody likes commitment, "let's mix these two instead..."??? Half of something is "half assed" anyway you look at it.
@honestreviewer3283
@honestreviewer3283 Год назад
Cool. I have a Gold in my Tone King Falcon (the original Falcon). All the amp I likely ever need. Might have actually gone with the Ruby if it existed earlier.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs Год назад
The Ruby is a cool speaker but I often struggle to find a place for it... if you love the sound though there's not many other speakers that are like it... mixes great with other speakers too. Thanks for watching.
@dtworzguitar5775
@dtworzguitar5775 4 года назад
I have a cream on the way,was then gonna get a gold and then put them both in my ac30c2.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Ooh I'd love to try them through an AC30! That is an amp I really should have, they are great amps.
@brentduxbury5814
@brentduxbury5814 2 года назад
Cream for me. I have a Magnatone Varsity Reverb (2xEL84 15watts) that had the stock Magnatone special design WGS speaker in it. I love EL84 amps (own 3) and this amp sounds amazing. However, with the stock speaker it is exceptionally poky in the mid range and, even at very low volumes, it has my band mates and sound guys complaining it is too loud; so much so I can’t get the amp into the sweet spot even though it’s only 15watts. I knew it was all about the midrange poking out of the mix too much and there’s no midrange control on the amp, so last night I swapped the speaker for an Alnico Cream. Voila, I think I’ve solved the problem and the amp has gone to another level with a wider sonic palette, but still with the great midrange presence EL84s are known for. Rehearsal tonight will be very interesting.
@CC-fi3pp
@CC-fi3pp 2 года назад
RUBY GANG!
@ramilrodriguez8340
@ramilrodriguez8340 11 месяцев назад
Very nice comparison. I prefer when every speaker is presented clean, then all edge, then all overdrive, then all lead, not like you did this time, but good anyways. I like them all, prefer the blue on this video. Surprisingly for me I liked it at all settings which makes me confirm how important is the amp eq on speakers comparisons. I just watched one of your videos comparing alnico, neo, ceramic… One of the speakers was the alnico cream and it sounder terrible to me on distorted chords. I didn’t hear that here. I love how all those alnico sound on any setting you did. I guess the difference is that the eq was adjusted tu them and not with a ceramic or neo…
@ulmestrat
@ulmestrat 3 года назад
Blue is the best for me !
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
Yeah it is a great speaker, as long as the 15 watt rating doesn't cause you any problems. Thanks for watching.
@giorgiocimoli1025
@giorgiocimoli1025 5 лет назад
The more I hear the Cream the more I like it. Probably I’m biased by the name...
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
haha the cream is a great speaker... my favourite of the four.
@colaboytje
@colaboytje 4 года назад
The Cream is in my Two-Rock 2×12 cabinet. Best speaker I've ever played. It sounds broken in. No sharp highs, responsive bass, great midrange. Would love to put them in all my cabs, but they aren't cheap.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
@@colaboytje you are right, they aren't cheap, I love those speakers and we use quite a few but the price is definitely a draw back.
@bastardsonofretkillr
@bastardsonofretkillr 3 года назад
I like the Alnico Blue best and then the Cream
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
Yeah those two are my favourites too. Thanks for watching.
@OPPIDUM666
@OPPIDUM666 5 лет назад
Great Video =)
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
Thanks Ricardo!
@bresem
@bresem 4 года назад
I'm considering putting the Ruby in my ´74 AC30 Top Boost. I have currently installed the greenbacks. For me, the Ruby in the review sounds less harsh than the Blue in higher gain settings with pedals. What do you think?
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
The greenbacks and Blues are more the norm in these amps and can both handle higher gain settings. I didn't fund the Ruby to be all that strong on the higher gain settings, I personally found the cream AlNiCos to hold up a bit better with heavier tones. But that said, I haven't played the Ruby with an AC30.
@CC-fi3pp
@CC-fi3pp 2 года назад
@@ZillaCabs Rubies reign supreme.
@paulcowart3174
@paulcowart3174 4 года назад
I just ordered a brand new ceramic cream back for an unbelievable 65 bucks Plan on putting it in a 2 6V6 Silvertone 1482 Deluxe type amp
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Awesome! Was it the M or H? Let us know how you get on
@monkeyxx
@monkeyxx 4 года назад
cream and blue all day for my tastes
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Yeah they are my favourites too.
@RG-yz8ov
@RG-yz8ov 3 года назад
Anyone mixed a blue and ruby in a 2x12? I use Marshall dsl1hr and thought ruby might work well as dsl can be brighter.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
He have done it in a studio setting with 1x12s, but I'm hoping to do that mix next month and put the video out. Thanks for watching.
@Charlie6969
@Charlie6969 2 года назад
I prefer the Blue for clean and overdrive, but I would use a Cream for high distortion. Thank's for the comparison.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 2 года назад
That sounds like a sensible choice!
@lockdan
@lockdan 4 года назад
I'm thinking about a cream plus a V30 in an upright 212
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Should should be good. With the cream being a bit smoother it may be best putting that one in the top, but you can always experiment with that.
@miketaylor6053
@miketaylor6053 7 месяцев назад
Cream for the win!!!
@pippydog28
@pippydog28 4 года назад
Blue sounds real good in this video. Maybe they are picky to particular amps. I've bought a blue 3,times, and they've always sounded thin and ice picky
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks. I think we may have been a little biased by picking tones that you associate with the blue. I personally find the cream copes a little better with more modern tones.
@patrickpinkerton318
@patrickpinkerton318 2 года назад
I put Rubys in a Vox 2x12 open back fed by an AC30. Takes pedals really well, and it just has a certain something to it when driven by an AmPro Strat. Using the neck pickup with it is something else. Bridge/Middle selection with an MXR Stereo Chorus is, well... celestial. Not knocking the Blue; it's just different, in a good way.
@erpu5645
@erpu5645 4 года назад
I did like Cream and Ruby most they did sound mellowest but attac is there if you need it I could imagine Cream is most fabulous Jazz and Country rock speaker
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
You are right the cream is really popular with country and jazz players, but I think it is a bit of an all rounder. I don't think we've found anyone who doesn't love it yet.Thanks for watching.
@johngonzales8481
@johngonzales8481 2 года назад
The Blue sounded killer, but it will blow quickly in a 50 Watt amp like the Jubilee you used. It's rated at 15 watts and I pushed one in a 22 watt Fender Deluxe Reverb RI for years, but it did eventually blow.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 2 года назад
it just depends on how loud you play, I've never blow a blue but never really pushed one all that hard, not past its 15 watts anyway. Definitely something to watch out for though. The blues do sound great with Fenders, that's for sure.
@mattbortz10
@mattbortz10 4 года назад
I was thinking about putting some alnico Ruby's in my ac30/6tbx. But not so sure now. May just keep the blues in there
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
I know what you mean there. As much as I would love to try a pair of Rubys in an AC30 I'm not sure I would buy a set to do it. The Blues are such an iconic speaker for that amp.
@coldshot307
@coldshot307 4 года назад
The Blue one beats them all!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
It is a cracking speaker, that's for sure.
@Tonetwisters
@Tonetwisters 4 месяца назад
The problem with Celestion (thankfully for Weber), they are not smart enough to make 4ohm versions of these speakers for people who want to run just one 12 with old Fender amp heads. The GOLD takes the gold, for me.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 месяца назад
I know what you mean but I assume the market just isn't there. I think it's probably one in a few thousand customers that ask us for a 4ohm 1x12, and they generally want a Jensen anyway. The gold is a cool speaker... it's a nice one for Fenders too.
@IamMusicNerd
@IamMusicNerd 2 года назад
I prefer the blue and gold tones, but i always like brighter tones
@panagiotis.tsiatsis
@panagiotis.tsiatsis 3 месяца назад
Hey guys, what kind of cabinet (open / closed) would you suggest for smooth distorted sounds (Marillion / Camel) for the Ruby and Cream (separately) with a Marshall JCM 800 / Jubilee? Many thanks in advance!!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 месяца назад
It really depends what you are doing and what you like. Closed will give you a more focussed low end and generally sound a bit tighter but open back will give a bit more ambience. There's an arguement for either when it comes to those sounds. Open back is more combo like if that makes sense.
@panagiotis.tsiatsis
@panagiotis.tsiatsis 3 месяца назад
@@ZillaCabs Many many thanks guys!!
@qddk9545
@qddk9545 3 года назад
I have 3 of them, and like them in this order: Blue, Cream, Gold, and listening to this video I would not buy the Ruby. Blue and Cream are close, the Blue being chimier with less bass, and the Cream more balanced.
@ronaldgrim606
@ronaldgrim606 3 года назад
What kind of rig are you using them with? I have a 3rd Power Citizen gain amp I'm picking up this weekend. It has great cleans and can get very hairy. Will be running through a 2x12 cab with a pair of original Ipswitch v30's, (about 25 years old) but want something to balance the sound. Have been thinking either Gold or Cream.
@qddk9545
@qddk9545 3 года назад
@@ronaldgrim606 The Blue in a 2x12" Convertible cab, with different amps. Gold 2 in a 4x12" cab together with 2 old G12-65, Cream in a DelLuxe Reverb. The Cream is very balanced, and I like that the best.
@rockzilla5150
@rockzilla5150 8 месяцев назад
As much as i like the cream, its always had a boxy quality to it. The ruby is unusual, the gold has a smooth, buttery midrange. The blue is outstanding.
@stanislavmigra
@stanislavmigra 2 года назад
Thank you for the video, its veeery good. Still prefere the Blue all the way :D can be interesting to mix Blue (for topend and articulation) and Gold (for the thick body).
@tombain5665
@tombain5665 4 года назад
That was a really informative honest and independent review from two knowlegable enthusiasts. I am going to play this a few times and enquire about a cabinet for a Blues Junior. I have a Blackstar HT5R and want to replace the Blackbird speaker. Would you recommend a speaker that will give me a smooth sound and reduced "early gain" common with this amp. Your playing was just great and really illustrated the qualities of each speaker. Thanks a lot for that!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Sorry for being slow in my response here. What kind of thing are you looking for? I tend to liek a warm speaker as most lower powered amps will break up at a sensible volume. The HT5R is a 1x12 right? You have a lot of choice of what to go for here, I recon a greenback would be great.
@joea9257
@joea9257 3 года назад
@@ZillaCabs Yes! I have a greenback for my ht5 and an alnico blue. They both sound great alone or both together.
@tomd8313
@tomd8313 Год назад
Nothing sounds like a Blue. Ive got one in an ac15, paired up extension, with a Wizard, (closed back) and it is unbelievably Rich!
@slizz_detroit
@slizz_detroit 2 года назад
Any have advice for choosing one of these for a Princeton reverb type circuit? Here's the context of what I'm working with, Thanks! I play burstbuckers through a boutique take on Princeton Reverb that has 35 watts, a 12” speaker, a master volume, increased headroom, mids control and a mids boost footswitch. I got it in order to play clean tones at higher volume in a band setting AND also to be able to use more boost/overdrive/distortion-things I couldn’t/shouldn’t do with my 1966 Princeton Reverb. (The problems are pretty the amp's bass and mids are not so good, it sounds like a reissue (sorry to those out there with reissues, Fender can't even replicate their own amps from the 60s)...So the cool boutique features I mentioned mids control and a mids boost footswitch) are cool in theory but in practice not really. My theory is the problem is the speaker- a Jensen 12Q. Switching out the Jensen from the vintage PR (a new Jensen not the original speaker) was also a big upgrade. So which Celestion is best for what I’ve described? The $ difference is not a big factor, I just sold a guitar and that money is going into fixing this problem. Thank you gracias thank you gracias!!
@drewmcdowell1622
@drewmcdowell1622 5 лет назад
OH THANK YOU!!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
Thanks Drew, I'm glad you like it. If you are into Alnico 's we have a couple of other videos coming up on them.
@drewmcdowell1622
@drewmcdowell1622 5 лет назад
@@ZillaCabs Please, for the love of all that is good, put a gold and a ruby in the same cab. I think it would sound so sweet, and I wanna swap my Cream 75 for a ruby in my 2x12 diag cab, but just wanna hear it! :) Nice looking cabs!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
We have a really nice cab here that would be great for that, not a diagonal cab but one that is well suited to that. I think we will have to rig up an in room mic for mixing speakers but you are right, that would be a good video.
@drewmcdowell1622
@drewmcdowell1622 5 лет назад
@@ZillaCabs Well crap, on this alone ill have to get my next cab from you guys! :)
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
@@drewmcdowell1622 haha that is great. Stay tuned for the Alnico stuff. Mixing Alnico's isn't really something that ever gets done so it would be interesting to see what happens there for sure.
@wyllb
@wyllb 4 года назад
I gotta say I think I'm in love with the gold the most. I already had my mind set on a G12T-75 and a V30 but the gold really impressed me. Hope you see this, but if I went with the Gold should switch of the G12 or the V30?
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Sorry for being slow here. Out of experience players who like the Gold tend to like the bite a T75 gives so I would say mixing those two would work well. I would describe them both as being in the same kind of family if that makes sense.
@qddk9545
@qddk9545 3 года назад
Get rid of both.
@scottdavidson6066
@scottdavidson6066 2 года назад
One should choose between them based on power handling requirements.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 2 года назад
I think that is what a lot of people do but I have to say, I love the cream even for low powered stuff.
@presentelaw
@presentelaw 4 года назад
Thanks for the video! I have a gold in my Marshall DSL40CR. Used to have a blue in my Vox AC15CHW. I loved both of them. Am now itching to try the cream but hesitant to shell out hundreds if it's not going to work well for me. Do you think the 50watt gold is a good match with the 40watt DSL? Silly question but like to hear your opinion. Thanks.
@jonathanvenegas7543
@jonathanvenegas7543 3 года назад
That sounds like a nice combination. Would love to hear it if you bought it
@paulgerards6494
@paulgerards6494 4 года назад
Cream,creaM & mOre CREAM = bEst !! ThanX !!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
It is a great speaker and the fact that it handles (relatively) high power so well makes it even more useful. Thanks for watching.
@paulgerards6494
@paulgerards6494 4 года назад
@@ZillaCabs You're welcome! I just got a Milkman Cab 1x12 "with Cream" ;) SUPER GREAT !!
@andrebrito3816
@andrebrito3816 4 года назад
I say Gold is the golden one ☝️
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
And the cream is more creamy sounding ;) The Gold is one of those speakers, like the Blue that if that speaker hits the spot for you then you can't really get it any other way.
@scottdavidson6066
@scottdavidson6066 2 года назад
The Ruby is my personal favorite, though.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 2 года назад
That's really cool. I love that about speakers, although the Ruby is really growing on me it's my elast favourite of the four, but it is quite unique so I can see how it would be some peoples favourite. Thanks as always for watching.
@bojackhorseman5367
@bojackhorseman5367 3 года назад
I'm a little bit undecided as to which of these to go for really: I have a vintage AC30 from the early '60s with the original blues in which sound absolutely fantastic, and I'm considering a vertical angled fatboy or super fatboy for a 1966 AC50 I recently acquired - The AC50 is a much darker, thicker sounding amp than the AC30, though, it's got a certain amount of the characteristic 'chime' sound only with a lot more depth and punch as well, almost like a JTM45 - and blues can be ruled out due to the power handling limitations. I'm trying to maintain as much of the 'vintage vox chime' character as I can really which is why I'm looking at these alnicos. The AC50 is not bad with V30s, I quite like the overall tonal balance for the most part but the top end has quite a brittle 'ice pick' attack to it and quite a scratchy 'nails down a chalkboard' thing with more aggressive dirt when paired with this amp. I think it's a response thing rather than a tonal balance thing. Taking that into consideration, which do you guys recommend? do you think it makes sense to go with golds, due to their relative extra top end presence and 'sizzle' compared to the blues? it sort of feels like that would go some way towards compensating for the darker tone of the AC50, but maybe it'd be a bit too much and would have the same slightly ear splitting 'rasp' as the V30s? since the ruby and cream sound like they are a bit more rounded off in the top end, relative to the blue, I'm not so sure about either of those. might make the AC50 sound a bit too dark and muted.
@hungry4des
@hungry4des 4 года назад
Anything you play on the Gold reminds me of Brad Paisley, even metal
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
haha cool, it does have a very unique sound!
@bishlap
@bishlap 4 года назад
who's Brad Paisley?
@jocelynguindon4913
@jocelynguindon4913 4 года назад
@@bishlap lol look him up ...They created the Gold for him years ago cause the blue wasnt loud/strong enough
@davidgiles9378
@davidgiles9378 4 года назад
This is the best I’ve ever heard a gold sound. Usually could see no reason not to go with blue, but here the golds had more bottom, less mids and highs if you wanted more chunk and less in yer face. Cream couldn’t quite make up its mind middle of da road and red was the expected undefined shite perfect for when you want an amnesia sound or for contrasting with other things.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Excellent, thanks David... straight to the point about the ruby hahaha. I have to say the ruby was probably at the bottom of the list of four for me too. They do take on a bit of a different vibe in the room, and I too wasn't a huge Gold fan before, I always went for the blue and cream but I saw the gold in a new light when doing this video. Thanks for dropping by, it is great hearing what other players think. Paul
@jett7530
@jett7530 5 лет назад
Great vid, but tough choices. I have a gold at the moment, had it for years, it's a really great speaker but I still find the top end to be a bit brash. I want to swap it with something close that is just a bit sweeter on top without changing the whole eq of the amp. Im thinking cream, but it's a tough choice when you can't shoot them all out in a room.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
Thanks for that. Yeah the cream is the smoothest to me. The gold can cut through in the upper mids/top end which is great for a lot of players but the cream is definitely a smoother speaker.
@hcc9587
@hcc9587 5 лет назад
I only have one cab so I’m always switching back between the gold and the cream. The gold has faster response while cream is layed back. Def my 2 favs
@jeremybanks9007
@jeremybanks9007 4 года назад
Are all these speakers made in england and whats your two cents worth on the v type speaker im thinking of buying an sv20h marshall and cab but someone near me has a cab with two golds for a good price any thoughs appreciated excellent vid
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Hi Jeremy. Most of Celestion's speakers are UK made these days (including the Alnico's). The V type is fine, it isn't my favourite though, I think you would notice a big difference with V30s or creambacks in there. Marshall had a speaker called the gold, which was a more budget speaker so watch out it isn't confused with the Alnico gold, they are quite different speakers.
@Sirstarfish
@Sirstarfish 4 года назад
1 x 12 with a cream. Can’t go wrong.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Good choice.
@charlesrawlinson429
@charlesrawlinson429 Год назад
Blue
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs Год назад
It's an iconic speaker the Blue.
@JJodell92
@JJodell92 Год назад
Gold and cream in a 2x12 would sound great
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs Год назад
That mix is really rare but it does sound great
@peterwilliams8403
@peterwilliams8403 3 года назад
Which Alnico would suit a Laney VC15 which has a 10 inch Jensen, have access to a victory 2x12 vintage 30, too loud for home use, also vox ac15 c2 with a pair of greenbacks ?
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
Stay tuned Peter, we should hopefully be putting up a bunch of Alncio videos soon and we used a VC15 to record the bluesy tracks.
@steveh1273
@steveh1273 3 года назад
Would a Vintage 30 be a good match with a Blue alnico in a 2x12 18 watt Marshall? Music is not for heavy breakup and gain such as metal. Looking for a second speaker with a Blue, maybe a G12M 25 watt Greenback?
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
HI Steve, well I actually do really like a V30 with a blue but one of the most glorious speaker mixes I have ever heard is the blue with an M greenback, I absolutely love it. The blue is a tad louder but it rarely causes any issues.
@georgefromgreece4119
@georgefromgreece4119 2 года назад
Blue: vintage mid 60s and pre chime and character. Ruby: as blue with more lower mid harmonics, less mid high cut, sweeter highs. Gold: the jangliest- most meat around high mids. Cream: even through the spectrum, articulated, head roomy (higher wattage), not overly biting neither dark, with a greenback/ ceramic creamback flavour. PS. ALL are great. Many hate the Ruby. I did too for quite some time. Wrong. It has the some low mid harmonics the others don't. So it definitely has it's place, eg if you want to give body and darken an overly bright rig without getting too much away from the vintage character.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 2 года назад
Great comment, and I'll hold my hands up too about the Ruby. I'm actually starting to appreciate it a lot more. I'm actually finding it stands out quite often as a really solid speaker in the mix videos that we do, it often is a stand out speaker to mix with something else. Thanks for watching and for the great comment.
@georgefromgreece4119
@georgefromgreece4119 2 года назад
@@ZillaCabs huge "thank you" for the great approach, top job, and over the top cabinets!
@nickbenjamin6527
@nickbenjamin6527 5 лет назад
What do you guys think of the Fane Ascension series? I'm getting on well with an F70 and an N30 for certain things. Would be an interesting comparison video...thanks for this one: confirmed my liking for the Cream!!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
HI Nick, they are great sounding speakers, I really like them. Unfortunately we had issues with their quality control and customer service was bad, the absolute opposite of Celestion so it forced us to stop using them. It is a shame as they are made in the town that I grew up in. Their AlNiCo speakers were particularly nice, but we found if you have a fault you are on your own.
@nickbenjamin6527
@nickbenjamin6527 5 лет назад
@@ZillaCabs that's a shame: I hope the ones I've got hold up ok...good to hear Celestion have it right: I'm really into my A-type for cranked tweedy sounds!
@markblagdon
@markblagdon 5 лет назад
Interesting vid, thanks. Did you record during a rainstorm?!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
Thanks. I'm not sure about a rainstorm but we will of had some machines working in the next room.
@chuckkirkpatrick6712
@chuckkirkpatrick6712 3 года назад
BLUE
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 2 года назад
It's a great speaker for sure! Thanks for watching
@Matte23Pam
@Matte23Pam 5 лет назад
Cool video!! Wath amp and guitar was used for the demos?
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. We were using a 87 Marshall Silver Jubilee (on 50 watt setting) 2550 and a 2000 Les Paul Classic with stock pickups. Joe also use a TC electronic mojo mojo overdrive.
@ecantalk
@ecantalk 3 года назад
I have a 65 Reissue Princeton that came with a 10 inch Alnico Gold. Can you recommend a 12 inch to pair it with in an extension cab?
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
I absolutely love the G12-65 with Fender combos, we have a recording of one in our earlier videos (I think it was a twin conversion), that also mixes well with the 12" gold, so I can't see any issues with mixing it along with a 10" gold.
@ecantalk
@ecantalk 3 года назад
@@ZillaCabs Thanks for the quick reply!
@jme92685
@jme92685 3 года назад
Alnico speakers sound too strident for my taste when kicked into overdrive. But they sound wonderful on the clean channel. The Celestion Greenback is my go to.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 2 года назад
I know what you mean, I think the alnico's tend to be used mostly for clean and through to lower gain levels. That said you can;t go wrong with a greenback can you. Thanks for watching.
@patxiiribarren1905
@patxiiribarren1905 2 года назад
Hi friends! I have an Orange retro 50, I always use it in class A 30 watt mode, and I want to combine it with a 112 screen. What speaker do you recommend? alnico? ceramic? celestion, or other brands? What celestion models will be the most suitable within this brand? Thanks in advance!
@antonioalbares
@antonioalbares 4 года назад
Great video comparison! I don't mean to troll, but to say the alnico blue at 15 watts is not that useful is a poor statement. That is probably the best performing speaker of the bunch.. also, loudest 15 watts you will find! more than enough to band practice or play small gigs.. I might be missing something but unless you are palying for Kiss, you don't need 100 watts/ 2 alnico gold speakers next to each other lol
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
I don't think ignorant is the right word, I do say in the video "it isn't massively useable in modern applications" (or there abouts). I think this holds as most of our customers will at some point be in the position to get up to and above 15 watts. 15 watts is about as low as it gets and if you want to get really clean sounds you will need to took for something else. The Blue is an iconic speaker but definitely not one I would recommend for everyone, largely due to its power rating.... remember we are the guys who have to replace the speaker if it blows ;)
@antonioalbares
@antonioalbares 4 года назад
Zilla Cabs I just corrected my comment. As I said, it was not my intention to troll. I do think a lot of RU-vid shows mislead new players to think they need a half stack 50/100 watts all tube Marshall to achieve the tone of their heroes. My 15 watt Princeton with an alnico blue will cut through any 50 watt Marshall in a band mix any way of the week.. again, great show .. cheers
@hungry4des
@hungry4des 4 года назад
I like and own a Blue. The Cream sounds similar but better in this video. It's almost like it is missing some of the hissy, paper scratchiness frequencies that can sound rude to my ear. Do you think a Blue can be EQ'd to sound like the Cream, or do I need to go out and buy one right now?
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
What amp are you using your Blue with? I think those two speakers go hand in hand, they can work well for similar jobs but the cream for me is a bit more smooth. How loud are you playing your blue?
@hungry4des
@hungry4des 4 года назад
@@ZillaCabs I'm playing through a 50W Vox MV50 Rock. I play at half to full volume, gain on low and push into overdrive with Fulltone Fat Boost and NuTube Screamer. Sounds great with power amp cranked. Vertical 2x12 with G12EVH on top and Blue on bottom. Really enjoying the tones, but may spring for a smoother speaker like the Cream Alnico if I have extra cash. I'm probably hearing some fizziness from the G12EVH because the Blue sounds smoother when I put my ear up against it, but it still sounds so good. I'm probably splitting hairs at this point.
@MrKarim989
@MrKarim989 3 года назад
please which of these 4 Alnico is closest to the G12M greenbacks that originally jimi hendrix uses in studio ?
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
Closest in sound? None are all that close to the 20 watt H, and the original speakers are super expensive now. The H heritage is probably closest in terms of sound.
@MrKarim989
@MrKarim989 3 года назад
@@ZillaCabs Thanks for your response 👍
@gggomez9764
@gggomez9764 4 года назад
Great vid. Was quite surprised the blue and gold sounded quite different. I am tossing up for my Princeton 65 clone with 175, both have big bass so my sound is bulbus and woofy very easily. I want to take my amp toward tweed territory. I thought the blue had more of that classic sound. Would a Princeton test a blue’s headroom though?
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
ooh this is a really interesting thing you are doing.I know it is a different amp but Lazy J put a blue in one of their Fender clones. The blues are a pretty loud speaker so 12 watts sounds really loud.... It would be pushing the blue relatively hard but my experience of the blue is that is colours the sound in a very similar way as you lift the volume. What speaker do you have in there at the moment?
@gggomez9764
@gggomez9764 4 года назад
Zilla Cabs currently an Eminence GB128. Does not compliment the amp. Too bassy, highs not pleasant.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
@@gggomez9764 OK cool I can get that. I think any of the AlNiCos will bring that bit of sparkle to the amp. Just check there is enough room physically inside the combo as the AlNiCo's are quite big
@CargoShorts7
@CargoShorts7 4 года назад
Great video guys! I just picked up a '62 brown Princeton that I am going to swap the 10" speaker out of to preserve. Thinking about one of these options as a 12" replacement. My first thought is that the blue would suit the Princeton well since it is rated at 12 watts, but I'm wondering if that would be too much mids since the brown Fender amps are closer to tweeds in nature. Open to ceramics and other brand options too! Greenback? Thoughts?
@nickhadjirallis4888
@nickhadjirallis4888 4 года назад
They all sound beautiful but I prefer the blues
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks Nick, the blue has such an icon speaker, as long as power isn't an issue I think that is the one I would go to too.
@bartekbanys2254
@bartekbanys2254 4 года назад
I've just ordered 2x Ruby for my Budda V40, will see how it's gonna sound...
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Excellent, make sure you let us know how you get on.
@bartekbanys2254
@bartekbanys2254 4 года назад
@@ZillaCabs 👍
@rgr4929
@rgr4929 3 года назад
@@bartekbanys2254 Yeah! He sure let us know! xD
@bartekbanys2254
@bartekbanys2254 3 года назад
@@rgr4929 I sold a budda, a tried it with different speakers and gave it up. I think this amp just isn`t for me. I made a 2x12 cab and put cream 90W + Ruby and it sounds pretty good with the Victory Kraken. The ruby wchich left I put into 1x12 cab and I'm playing it with JTM45 and I'm very surprised. Takes overdrives very well.
@rgr4929
@rgr4929 3 года назад
@@bartekbanys2254 Thanks for the info! ;)
@MrDavemiley
@MrDavemiley 2 года назад
Question, Just in sound . . How close does the Gold sound to the Blue ??
@TheOroldan
@TheOroldan 5 лет назад
Great videos guys and very informative. I got those 4 speakers and the idea is to do a couple of 2x12 cabs, I would like one cab for vintage/classic sound and the other one for more aggressive/modern sound, what would be your recommended combination? Thanks a lot!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
Thanks Oscar, as far as pairing go I love the Blue with a creamback so I image a blue with a cream alnico would work great. I would say the other two (ruby an gold) had some quite similar qualities. What cabs were you thinking of putting them in?
@TheOroldan
@TheOroldan 5 лет назад
@@ZillaCabs Thanks for the information. I will put them in custom cabinets made in my country Costa Rica.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 5 лет назад
@@TheOroldan let me know how you get on with them, and which ones you prefer.
@TheOroldan
@TheOroldan 5 лет назад
@@ZillaCabs absolutely, I will let you know.
@Iamgavrilo
@Iamgavrilo 3 года назад
For my ears blue is the nicest
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
Thanks for watching. The blues are great speakers.
@soundknight
@soundknight 4 года назад
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@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
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