Great to see you guys back posting videos, some of the best out there on speakers. Keen to see you guys do one comparing the new 100 to all the other Celestion alnicos. I recently did it using IRs and it was an interesting experience.
the vintage 30 barks ,it can be harsh in the upper mids but will always cut through a mix, great for live use and hard rock. there have been many versions along the years since 1986 some made in the uk some in china while most customers never know. the modern 25w greenback sounds nothing like the old ones way too bright, the heritage and evh versions are the best but need industrial break in.
Celestion V type has a balanced tone, using and eq you can get a lot of different tones. I have it on my 1x12 inch combo amp and I see no reason to replace it.
These are the sound of Metallica with an overdriven JMP-2203 or MESA BOOGIE Mark IIC+/Studio Preamp feeding a JMP-2203 with 6550 tubes instead of EL34 for the Ride The Lightning and Master of Puppets albums. If using only a single driver I would personally choose this G12-65 over a V30 but they sound brilliant when combined. Their respective frequency and impedance characteristics as well as their harmonic structures compliment each other quite well together. The 65 just has a better 2nd harmonic profile, period, even if it doesnt quite possess the clarity and cutting edge bite that the V30 always attributes.
Well to be honest I am bit over saturated by V30 and it fell out my liking a few years ago. Do not get me wrong it has its place and indeed it fits to some amplifiers and some versions even sound better but paired with extremely good amplifier and A B them with some other models you can see that they are workers and not refined at all. To much top end and very beamy characteristic. They have middle range but fail some part so they feel scooped. Many other H magnet Celestion speakers just sound better to me. For example the Creamback H. Now Greenbacks do also have pronounced top end. New models do, not the pre Rolla Pulsonic cone vintage once. But even new once have such a good middle range. Celestion at its strongest point. They do cover full guitar range pretty good. Only issue is the power handling and related speaker breakup if you do not want one that is. Personally I doubt that’s possible to make 100 percent same sounding speakers with more power handling. Mass of the voice coil is different plus with that power comes different breakup. Lucky for Celestion with trying to make such speakers they made some new speakers that are also great. Personally for me no other Alnico speaker sounds like the Alnico Blue despite that some come close to it. But then again I love and use Alnico Cream the most. Same thing is true for me regarding the Greenbacks. Anyhow Greenbacks all they way for me accept when you can’t use them. Because no one will ever allow you to go full stack that you do need with some amplifiers plus who is going to carry all of that and what stage has space for it nowadays? I do love that middle range and that detailed sound Greenbacks have. I love them in the reissue models as well. They all have that texture and recognizable tone. Almost like they have one more speaker playing same but sounding bit different. Complex texture. I like their breakup. With the smaller amplifier they are great. So yes 1x12 combo with 15 to 18 Watt and you are golden and modern venues safe. Lower sensitivity helps with sound level because you are less loud and they always want you to be less loud. Personally I like more mix of Creamback M and H than V30 and Greenback. Complex tone that leans to Creamback H that I still love vs mix that has more V30 than Greenback and I am no more V30 fan. Luckily that only my opinion and only your own opinion matters. Take what ever speakers you like, put them in a good cabinet like in the stuff from Zillacabs and enjoy.
V30 is known for being "pokey" in the mids but I like the lower mids of the V30 more and find the greenback fizzy in the upper mids in a way that I do not like. I have tried over and over to move on from V30s but they just work for me and I have used them for 30 years. I even love V30s for cleans and I have real Fender 67 blackface and Two-Rock amps.
A= brighter so I thought it was the v30 and preferred it even tho I hate this speaker. B= darker and bit fizzy... So I'd never thought it was the v30 actually. Glad I preferred A which was actually the greenback. I hate the v30 but
Greenback! I’m not a fan of the over pronounced mids in the V30 but the reason I love a greenback is that it’s actually less efficient! So you have to turn your amplifier Up a little more to get the same volume out of a greenback which means you’re pushing the power amp a bit harder and that feels amazing!!! I actually really love the EVH greenbacks!! Atm I’ve got vtype speakers in my Zilla 2x12 and that has a lot of the qualities of the V30 but also doesn’t have the mid thing the V30 does. Kinda sounds like a cross between a greenback and a v30
This is exactly why I prefer the Greenback over the V30: I like how both sound, but I'm all about how the Greenback plays. In general I don't enjoy playing H-magnet speakers, while I always feel at home with M magnets. I quite like the V-Type, too, Celestion hit the nail on the head there. But, like you, my usual favourite is the Greenback Heritage (the EVH is the same speaker with a different sticker), or either a Greenback from 2004 that I bought as NOS and it feels and sound so rich, smooth and compressed, similar to those vintage Pulsonic cone units we all drool about.
I have the creamback. I don't think you mic'd the two in the same way. Correct me if I'm wrong, considering I don't have experience with a v30, but it sounds like you put the mic for creamback over from centre by 2-3", and kept the v30 at the 1" edge of dust cap sweet spot.
My choice would depend on the style I'm going to play. For classic Rock like old Van Halen greenback all the way But for the heavier metal tones T 75 Works Much better.
I read a lot about pre and post certain dates. There's very little in in. The trouble is, to make any headway on youtube you have to have the best or worst thing ever. We record all sorts of speakers all the time. As it goes we've got some videos coming up that may be of interest on that topic.
Which speaker did you think was speaker A or B? ANSWER IN: 5 4 3 2 1 This isn't twice in a row we have caught you is it? . . . . . . . . 'A' is the M Greenback and 'B' is the V30 Were you right? Let us know below!
Every cabinet should be both. How hard can it be to construct a cab in such a way that you have a little door at the backside that you can open en close?
relatively hard and not that practical for most people. If you only want closed back then three piece isn't best due to a different type of bracing being used.
Wow, I didn’t realize how much the creambacks totally smoke the v30 in every shootout. I have a Sourmesh 1936 2x12 cab that had a pair of 65w creambacks that I swapped one out for a Fane Crescendo A and man, that cab sings. Been thinking of ditching the other creamback and putting my other crescendo in it or getting a mesa traditional 4x12 and putting the two crescendos in there with two white label g12t-75s. Was running either a 1980 JMP 2204 or a Mesa Mark IV, now I’ve got a Marshall Origin for gigging and can’t believe how much ground that amp covers and how close it gets to the clean sound of my vintage JMP!
Why pay more than a thousand euros for a 4x12 V30 Zilla when I can buy a 4x12 V30 Harley Benton for less than five hundred. I don't think the construction is better than the Harley Benton, the zilla only weighs 2kg more than the Harley Benton, so the construction will be very similar, the cones the same and the price more than double. Wake up Zilla, the competition is eating you.
yeah, not sure we're on the same lines here. It's great you're into Harley Benton, you'll save a load of money and I have no doubt you wont hear the difference.
@@ZillaCabs No, of course you are not on the same lines, Harley Benton's 412 with v30 are worth 500 euros, and Harley Benton indicates the materials and woods used, 18 mm poplar plywood, your standard 4x12 with v30 is worth 1000 pounds and does not say Nowhere are the materials with which they are made on your website. And the fact of not saying the materials used is a clear indication that they are probably not materials to be proud of, which alerts me that it is very possibly MDF or other not very good materials. You are also not very correct in underestimating my ear and knowledge, I am a senior sound technician, as well as a musician. So in that I agree with you, the Harley Benton line is the same or better quality for half the money, and yours has an unjustified high price.
@@YonkyKADAVER I'm really surprised a grown man would make those comments, or at least admit to that level of ignorance. Anyway, neither of us are going to learn anything from the other in this situation, and one of us doesn't have time to engage in arguments on the internet so have a great time with your Harley Benton, don't waste your money on a Zilla and enjoy your position as a senior sound technician.
