Celestion Creamback M, H, neo and Alnico cream Shootout 

Thanks for that, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks for that, that is really kind of you. We have been meaning to do this video for a while now so it is nice to know it has gone down so well.

You guys are killing it right now so keep up the good work! I’m sure it’s not easy to do these videos in between filling orders running a business. It’s a needed and valuable resource. Because not many do speaker comparisons as well as your channel IMHO.

Thanks for that. It is good to hear you are still loving your cab.

Thanks, Joe is a great player for sure. Thanks for watching.

@@ZillaCabs is it possible to get a full version of what he's playing? it's so good i've been listening on repeat for hours at this point lol

Thanks, that's really cool, I'm glad you found the video useful.

Thanks for watching. It is a great speaker. Not like some of the neo speakers that came before it that could be a little harsh sometimes.

I own it and it’s great in a marshall style amp, I wouldn’t put it in a fender or anything but that’s my own take

The M is the same speaker. Only the magnet is slightly bigger in the H. Amazing what a difference that makes.

Its a great speaker. Thanks for watching.

Yep, surprised and impressed by the cut-through of the H

I bought two of the h 75 w at eight oh I never plug them in I never tried them they've been sitting in their boxes for 5 years, will sell for a bargain price.

Great, I love the M too. We have a Mark V here that we will be doing some speaer changes on. I will make sure there is an M creamback in the mix.

Thanks. Yeah that alnico cream just works for so many styles, nice and warm without sounding dark or losing any articulation. Its a shame it is as expensive as it is.

Thanks for that, that is very kind of you, we really appreciate it. The Alnico cream is a great speaker, I don't think we've found a style it can't do yet. Thanks for watching.

Yep! M-65 & Cream Alnico in a 2X12 open cab for the win!!

That combo is going into my Twin Reverb in a few short months!!

Thanks Bill that is very kind of you mate, we have fun doing them.

It's our pleasure Luiz.

Thanks mate. Yeah Jensen do some great speakers... there are loads of great speakers out there. At the moment because we don;t have loads of time to spend on videos we just do what we stock but I am definitely looking to get more speakers involved, including a few that we have of out own ;)

haha great, let Celestion know it is down to us ;) Glad we helped a little.

Thanks for that, that is very kind of you, I'm glad you enjoyed them.

Thanks for that, I'm glad you like it. I really like them all, they mix great too. The alnico cream is probably my favourite but they are expensive.

Thanks Matt, I'm glad you liked it.

Yeah, it does hold up really well with gain. The alnico cream is surprisingly good for higher gain playing too. Thanks for watching.

Great, I'm glad you found that speaker. Although the H creamback is great in big cabs too, I find being such a full bodied speaker it works great in smaller open back cabs (and combos) too. I do love a Celestion in Fenders too, I think they help put a different slant on them.

Im trying to decide between Creamback and G12h Heritage Greenback for my BJ 😩

Thanks

Thanks for the kind words Joakin. You are right, it is very subjective, even now I go through stages of preferring different speakers for different jobs. That is what makes it so much fun.

@@ZillaCabs I would love to hear the 4x10 custom cab. In 91-96 I had a Marshall stack with 2x 4x10. I could play realy loud and they sounded great. I think the ones Zilla have is better. I will defenetly buy one later but they are not on the market yet? Thanks for respons🎸🎸🎸

Thanks. Joe's a great player for sure.

That's great, I'm glad it helped. If you get a chance to try the neo creamback do, it can sound really cool in 1x12s, don't be scared off if you've had bad experiences of neo speakers in the past.

@@ZillaCabs I think the Neo will be my next purchase for my 1x12 open cab ;) Thanks !!

Thanks. I'll be honest I'm a bit of a dinosaur, I'm not too sure what a podcast is ;) I really should get out more.

@@ZillaCabs Haha, it's kind of like a radio show. You guys just talk all about different speakers and cabs and stuff. Very interesting.

Thanks for watching Laurence, you're right, they all mix great with the V30, especially the H, they marry up really well.

Excellent thanks for taking time to watch, I'm glad you liked the video.

Thanks Michael, I'm glad you liked it.

i agree!

Helpful. Alnico wins on all. And this is the 3rd best alnico they make! See these guys’ other shootout!

Thanks. We keep impedance the same when testing and try to keep as many constants as possible. It is hard to say exactly how speaker impedance effects sound as you never know how much the change in impedance on the amp is colouring the sound.

Zilla Cabs As ever I appreciate everything you do. Every last smidgen of attention you pay to every detail. I wish I were not on the other side of the Atlantic because I would come rub elbows with you wearing masks of course. My experience is that The different taps within an output transformer usually are almost identical in frequency response. Of course the primary side of the transformer doesn’t change with the secondary side. So presumably the different voice coil load within the same magnet of two different speakers is the culprit for any difference. I do have the 15 and eight ohm G 12 M 20 and they are strikingly different. Ultimately I would say eight ohms is the best overall load. I think Celestion agree because their spectral analyses of their own speakers it are always taken at eight ohms. In general a single eight ohm speaker is the best load of all. Good bass good treble. 16 or 15 tend to be far more treble biased. Makes sense when you consider that almost every HIFI speaker out there is eight ohms for some reason. :) Keep up the great work guys. Don’t ever quit.

Zilla Cabs oh and I see we are talking past each other a little bit. I see my original point was that 2eight ohm speakers in series sound very different to 2 16 ohm speakers in parallel. Even though the speakers themselves are different as I just discussed. Series humps and parallel scoops. Generally. The best possible sound is always with one speaker. Or I should say the clearest. Series will tend to enhance a nice high gain sound.

Thanks Danny, the neo cream is such a great speaker, but also does seem to lend itself well to a closed back 1x12. It's a big sound for 10kg. Thanks for taking time to comment.

I would agree with the neo being best in a sealed cab. Neo flux is sharper and that makes it snappy, a sealed cab boosts Bass if tuned right and dampens cone movement creating a bit of speaker compression.

I love all four but I think this range of four speakers gives something for everybody. Thanks for watching Jordan.

Hi Danilo, the Alnico cream is a great speaker, I love it for most things... trouble is it is quite expensive.

My alnico cream never sounded as heavenly as this demo, but maybe I just suck at playing!

@@MatthewTomich does it sound as hell? That is good too! 😎

Excellent, thanks for that Stuart. I remember your cab, the Alnico creams so work really well in those cabs!

That is a great mix, we don't do it that often but I love it. The Alnico cream is a great speaker, it is really warm. It is getting really popular in our ported 1x12 actually, even though the cab was designed for the H cream. Thanks for taking time to listen!

Alnico and v30 is a beast! Alnico andCreamback H75..not that good,hard to describe but something is missin. I would love to hear a Creamback M and Alnico!

Thanks, I'm glad you like it

Great, it is always nice when it isn't the most expensive of the range that you think sounds best ;) Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

The ALNICO's sounded kinda icepicky to me, the M's and the H's are the best imo

Amps with equalizer models, so you can mix various ablinco in an attenuator isolate cab, then mix with cheap ones, and play and your over personal moniter and everyone probably, listening to different things in a lot of lsd

I use the 12 H… and I bought it only because it was the only 12” Celestion in stock … But I’m happy I did because it’s got a whole range of tones… it cranks.. but it’s articulate at the same time..

More than for certain amplifiers, they are for certain types of music... Alnico speakers are not for use with high levels of gain or distortion...palm muting or things like that... They sound very good with clean and crystalline sounds or a certain level of crunch or overdrive, not very high, preferably with single coils, tube screamer type, sparkle drive or Carl Martin heavy drive... With the latter it sounded very good to me

I think you hit the nail on the head there Andi, regarding the H75 and neo. You should try and give an alnico cream a blast if you get the chance, it is a great speaker.

I always disliked the m65. It's just dull and boring.

Thanks mate. We have that in the pipeline. We are on the hunt for a few other 15s to tie in there with it. We had some 15" greenbacks but can;t seem to find them.

That's great, I'm glad you like it. I've been trying to get hold of the DV-77 but haven't been able to, not even in the States, they are so hard to get hold of in Europe. I can't wait to get one in though.

The H is a great speaker, I still think the Alnico cream has something about it that makes it a great speaker but it is a lot of money.

That is a very popular combination. Joe uses the M cream and alnico cream together in a 2x12. We have a load of creamback mix videos coming out shortly.

The M cream is a great speaker, it works well in a lot of different sized cabs. Thanks for watching.

Yeah a lot of the early neo speakers (or models from ten fifteen years ago) were a bit shrill, the neo creamback is really quite nice... a lot darker than some of the early speakers. That would be cool if we could mess around like that but I guess they dont want us building our own haha

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Thanks for that, I'm glad you liked it. That Alnico cream is so versatile.... so warm and smooth but still has a distinctive sound that can cut through.

Thanks that is very kind of you, thanks for watching.

Thanks Colin. It is good to hear you are still loving it.

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.

hahaha it's funny how many backs prefer the neo ;) It is great that it is a really nice sounding speaker too, so there isn't really a compromise in weight and tone. Thanks for watching.

Moral of the story, own loads of cabs ;) ... only joking. I really do believe ever (decent) speaker has at least one thing it fits in the mix for.

it's a great speaker, especially for smaller cabs

Excellent, let us know how you get on.

Let me re-phrase that....”THAT Speaker Show”!

We're building a 4x12 for That Mick Taylor at the moment. It is very flattering for you to class us in the same league as those guys.

Glad you like it, it is a great speaker and the weight saving it offers is amazing.

You're not a big fan of the neo for heavier playing? I quite like it for heavier stuff. It is a little darker than some of the others so I can see how that would go down.

Totally agreed on all

@@ZillaCabs I went with EV 12L Classics in the end :-) Thanks for the vids!

The M is a bit darker than the other for sure. Thanks for watching.

@@ZillaCabs Thanks for the fine demo!

Thanks mate, I'm glad you like it.

Thanks, we appreciate the kind words.

We're hoping to get a few Jensen in to the studio soon to have a play around with. How are you getting on with the blackbird?

Great, that is an awesome mix. Joe has that same set up in his Studio Pro 2x12.

Do you have alnico cream on top or bottom in this set?

@@mckorczas7483 i have the alnico in the bottem do to the fact ist bassier.

I’m lookin into the 65 and started to consider the cream. Do you use these in a band setting? I’m wondering how easily the 65 fits in a band mix and once blasted if it has the ear hurting fizz some speakers have. One of my amps came with v types and they are warm to a degree and off axis they still sound present and don’t get all dark sounding which is good but if you’re in the front it just sizzles in a very unappealing way and is totally in enjoyable, off axis is ok I just would rather have a speaker that doesn’t sizzle like that I’m wondering with the cream back mostly. How would the alnico compare to it? It’s funny people love the alnico and many people claim the 65 is muddy yet I hear the cream is even darker yet never described as muddy

Do you find the 3db difference in the two noticeable when playing ?

They are all really cool speakers. I think the blue has something that you jsut can't get any other way. Thanks for watching.

haha that's very flattering, it was me that suggested that combination for him, we did it at a recording session at Riverside studio back in 2014 with his first Fatboy 2x12. It is a great combination, best of both worlds.

which turned out to be the whole band's favourite lol (and many of the djent kids on the community)

@@junkawakami3193 yeah when we made Mishas second cab he just said go with what Nolly has... it's not normally a bad strategy.

That sounds like a plan. I know Joe uses an M cream and Alnico cream in a Studio Pro. All those speakers mix really well too, so you can pretty much have any combination.

Hi Bryce, the H does have that bit more top... I think Hs can often be lazily said to be bass heavy speakers. The M's can be a little dark for some people too, but then I guess they are used for different jobs. Thanks for watching.

Hi James, sorry for the slow response. We will ahve used standard 4.8mm spade connectors I guess, but the wires in shot are soldered to the jack with some heat shrink on there to make it a bit tidier.

Hi Erik, it is a great speaker, it is very popular for all sorts of styles. Thanks for watching.

I have 40w evh 5150 combo and can't decide what to put in it? I like gain.. not sure?

They both sound cool but the H cream/V30 mix is very popular, they are also well balanced with volume. We have a video coming out next week that you may find really interesting... different speakers mixed with a V30.

Thanks. That is a really common mixed, the V30 and H creamback, it is a great pairing and really useful in the studio too.... The Alnico cream is a great speaker, I love it for nearly anything. Thanks for watching.

Speakers are so subjective, that is what is so great about them.. and good that there are so many ;) Thanks for taking so much time listening to our videos it is really cool!

haha that's really cool, we should have done some led zep riffs

Well we make a nice ported cab based around the H creamback but it sounds great with the neo creamback too and that is the natural choice if you want to keep weight down, in fact with the neo creamback it sounds massive for its size and weight.

Glad you like it mate.

Excellent, it is great to hear you are loving the cab, that was just before Christmas wasn't it. Thanks again for the order and for dropping by and for the feedback! Paul.

Thanks for watching.

Avec plaisir merci

That sounds really cool Steven. Let us know how you get on with the amp and how the speakers sound in there, it sounds like a really cool project.

We just recorded a 4x10 with a mix of speakers, including the 10" creamback in. It is a great speaker and recorded really well too. Thanks for watching.

Yeah that's right. I just wanted to point it out so people didn;t think the new creambacks were reissues of the old ones.

Hi Tim, thanks for that... The Alnico cream is a great speaker, you can do almost anything with it.... You are the second person today to ask about a 15" speaker video. We have a few that I wanted to do a video on so maybe I should get that done.

@@ZillaCabs Hi Guys. What it is, I have a Mesa Roadster head and wanting a cab. 2 by 12 was what i thought of, but while watching your videos wondered about a single 15" could do the same, or a combination of a 15 and a 12". Another thing, I have never really liked v30's, but seeing them on your channel and hearing them, may be changing my views Once this lockdown ends, I may end up giving you guys a call. Keep up with the great videos.

@@timbennett6644 thanks Tim, well keep watching as we should have some 15" videos coming up. We were going to do a video on how different speakers sound for different amps, and we have a Roadster too so maybe we should do one of those.

I like them all but the Alnico cream is something special, I do really love it.

Yeah, I'm with you on that for sure.

HI Jamie, we have been meaning to do a video on different impedance and we will do but there are a lot of variables, it isn't just the speaker and wiring that makes a difference, the impedance setting on the amp and remicing will do too.... we are working through it though. Thanks for the input Jamie, we love feedback.

@@ZillaCabs thanks for the reply, lads. Out of curiosity, have you guys tested the Redback? If so, how does it compare to the rest? How'd you describe it? Cheers, keep up the awesome work.

Hi Emil, it is good hearing from you. Nice to know you are having fun with your cabs..... if you ever fancy switching speakers in the cabs, the Alnico cream sounds awesome in the ported 1x12.

@@ZillaCabs It will be more likely that I'm buying another cab to have a mini stack in the future :)