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Celestion Vintage 30 and Greenback Speakers in 2x12 and 4x12 Cabinet 

Andreas Diehlmann
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I changed the speakers in my 2x12 Palmer cabinet from Celestion V30s to Greenbacks and recorded the most common possible combinations. The V30s went into a Marshall 1960AX 4x12 cabinet, to get the combination of Greenbacks and V30s like in the Friedman 4x12 cabs. The amp is a Marshall YJM100 Plexi, guitar used is a Fender 1959 Strat ...
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@roncarter2188
@roncarter2188 6 лет назад
With playing like that who cares what the speakers are, hell you could probably play through a coffee filter and it would sound pretty damn good, that was some awesome playing man.
@gibsonkyson2748
@gibsonkyson2748 3 года назад
InstaBlaster.
@TheChayseEmge
@TheChayseEmge 4 дня назад
Dude, awesome sound and even better riffs
@timothyjay2012
@timothyjay2012 6 лет назад
The Greenbacks are Stealing the Show bra!!!! I love the tone of the V 30's but those Greenbacks are everything Old School Superlead Marshall!!!!
@sgmarshall3
@sgmarshall3 8 месяцев назад
You sound amazing through all of these!
@charlesconnally5243
@charlesconnally5243 Год назад
Thanks for the video. Going to try the 4x12 greenback/v30 set up. Great playing!
@jochengnu4214
@jochengnu4214 4 года назад
the combination sounds great!
@carlosg4537
@carlosg4537 2 года назад
4:52 Marshall greenback 6:03 Marshall greenback and V30
@Nghilifa
@Nghilifa 4 года назад
And that YJM sounds great too. A great choice for a player who wants a Plexi with some extra features.
@kevinvezina6535
@kevinvezina6535 5 лет назад
Those greenies really bring out the "Brittish"tone ...they really bite the mids ..But I would have to say that the 212 v30s had an amazing tone ..obviously more headroom ..I like that for a 212 it has a little more bottom end but still really tightly defined..I have a baltic 412 with v30s and its a tone monster...great playing dude!!nice comparison!!
@DJVogonJelz
@DJVogonJelz 3 года назад
Ganz großes Kino. Ich habs mir gleich dreimal angeschaut. Jede Kombi hat ihren Reiz. Aber das genialste ist einfach dein Spiel. 🤘
@riccardococcia
@riccardococcia 4 года назад
Palmer Drive Chords Greenback 2:39 Marshall Drive Chords Greenbacks 4:52 Palmer Drive Solo GreenBacks: 3:02 Marshall Drive Solo Greenbacks 5:12
@jimmystromberg9533
@jimmystromberg9533 Год назад
That amp sounds incredible!
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann Год назад
Yes, my best sounding amp ... but heavy as hell (28kg) 💪😅
@rockboy360
@rockboy360 6 лет назад
The best of both worlds!
@deanmlshredder
@deanmlshredder 3 года назад
Vintage 30s always sound thin and spiky to me with a clean amp. Then you drive it and it is the tightest and clearest speaker there is.
@edwinmartinez9787
@edwinmartinez9787 3 года назад
It’s what what is made for
@badguacamole3709
@badguacamole3709 2 года назад
@@edwinmartinez9787 amen
@user-cs1jo4gp2e
@user-cs1jo4gp2e 2 года назад
Great playing , great sound , great demo .
@marvelharris9540
@marvelharris9540 6 лет назад
The greenbacks are a little softer... the solo doesn't cut the same way. I love vintage 30s
@OTTOAUDIO
@OTTOAUDIO 5 лет назад
Legit thought this riff was the intro to Yellow Ledbetter by Pearl Jam. Nice playing
@frodostreet5466
@frodostreet5466 2 года назад
thank you! and man, that was some nice playing!!
@KrisBarton432
@KrisBarton432 4 года назад
Great Playing!!
@leoduzzi1084
@leoduzzi1084 5 лет назад
Congratulations, veeery good test ;)
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 5 лет назад
Thanks! 😄
@patrickgiles9281
@patrickgiles9281 5 лет назад
Edge to Greenbacks (they’re just that good!) but man, I love V30s. Vintage 30’s are best for metal.
@user-ts8bl3qe5t
@user-ts8bl3qe5t 5 лет назад
Sht this greenback speakers with overdrive sounds crazy! I have 2*12 palmer closed back cab with v30+ G12H-30. I really dont understand how closed back cabs should sound because the sound is focused in very front of the cab, even if you are standing ( not sitting) in front of the cab it cuts high and mid frequencies. Recording with mic it does not matter but it is quite weird sounding when you walking arond, slightly better when you play on clean or overdrive and terrible on highgain. First thing I did, I put cab around 40-50cm higher it helped little bit, but still sounded muddy when standing not in front. So finaly I put it vertically first with v30 up, then othervise..and finaly it sounds how in my oppinion it shoul sound! G12H-30 nicely cuts in space you can walk around an sound is still bright on highgain! It is a bit more bass than I want and sound not much compressed but much better than in horizontal position. It is kind a feeling when you play in front of 4*12. Maybe Andreas or anybody did any cuts in closed cab back and did it helped to prevent blanket effect? I would like to build custom 2*12 vertical cab with changhing open/semi-open/closed back options. =D
@johnsmith-sm6mh
@johnsmith-sm6mh 4 года назад
They both sound awesome with your playing mate 🎸🎸 i have a Palmer 1x12 and a Marshall 2x12 136 Vintage 30 loaded use both both sound great 👍🏻
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 4 года назад
Thanks John. Do you know if the V30 are the chinese or the english version?
@johnsmith-sm6mh
@johnsmith-sm6mh 4 года назад
Andreas Diehlmann Hi Fella , Yes 100% English made 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 4 года назад
@@johnsmith-sm6mh I got to try these, i think they sound a lot better then the chinese ones!
@johnsmith-sm6mh
@johnsmith-sm6mh 4 года назад
Andreas Diehlmann Agreed 👍🏻
@hipsterblackmetal124
@hipsterblackmetal124 4 года назад
Thinking of getting a 4x12 but the 2x12 sounds better to me. I think straight cabinets sound better than slants.
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 4 года назад
They definitely sound different! Most of the time I use the 4x12 cab because on small stages you can put it on a beer crate and you can hear yourself pretty good, not the case with a 2x12 cab.
@Bognerman14
@Bognerman14 3 года назад
It would have been nice to hear you solo on the V30s as a comparison.
@mwooly1
@mwooly1 3 года назад
I just did the same test myself I’m in my studio, greenbacks distort a bit more, 30s are better for clean, BTW, great demo
@richard66754
@richard66754 3 года назад
I had an original 1960 ax cab loaded with greenbacks that I sold to my brother years back. Now he won’t part with it, and I’ve had to build another.😆
@mertmermerci218
@mertmermerci218 Месяц назад
Is it actually safe to play a 100watt amp with 50watt cab? Greenbacks sound awesome tho
@dalealanbryant7062
@dalealanbryant7062 3 года назад
Good comparison, just thought it was a little long between swaps.
@andrewslads
@andrewslads 6 лет назад
What pedals are you using on your pedal board ? Great tone . I own a YJM . Found the greenback more ‘marshall’ especially for the high gain sounds . Liked the vintage 30s as well but definately brighter and abit much with the boost engaged
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 6 лет назад
Thanks :) The clean sound is pure YJM the drive sound is an Xotic RC Boost (best boost pedal ever) and the solo sound is an Maxon OD-808. The V30s are very "agressive" sounding in real live, the greenbacks indeed sound more marshally.
@matteobianco8440
@matteobianco8440 5 лет назад
@@AndreasDiehlmann g
@Whitefox-pc7lp
@Whitefox-pc7lp 5 лет назад
You should try out the G12K-100s I'm currently running them in a 2x12 and the sound is huge and somehow it's louder than all of my friends 4x12 cabs, but they probably have crap speakers in them haha!
@OperationEndGame
@OperationEndGame 6 лет назад
Wow. i couldnt get that tone off mixing V30+Greenies using a Super Lead/Super Bass clone..
@daviddriskell2378
@daviddriskell2378 5 лет назад
Either speaker Is great, BUT I WANT THE AMP!!
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 5 лет назад
😁
@laerteandrade5166
@laerteandrade5166 5 месяцев назад
And what about 2x12 greenback and v30 mixed?
@irishRocker1
@irishRocker1 3 года назад
How did the V30/Greenback mix sound in the room? The V30 didn't dominate the Greenback? For a 212 would you prefer V30/G12M, or 2xG12M?
@Nghilifa
@Nghilifa 4 года назад
Greenbacks all the way!
@Lawyer_lpr
@Lawyer_lpr 4 года назад
Hi man! very good test 😈😈😈
@vladzubac5360
@vladzubac5360 4 года назад
this is the way on how to make an idea about a cabinet - not through a mix..with a microphone..but with a good room mic...I wish people would learn that - use headphones and you will be able to better tell the difference...
@MRxr400
@MRxr400 5 лет назад
my idea of a perfect 4x12 is v30 and greenbacks. did you put them v30 one side top and bottom and greens on the other side? that way if a stereo cabinet, you can have both or either.
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 5 лет назад
No, the Greenbacks are in the top row and V30s at the bottom to get them balanced, volumewise. The box is mono so the stereosplit is not an option ...
@robskatesurf9125
@robskatesurf9125 5 лет назад
@@AndreasDiehlmann The mixed sounds amazing. It's adds a custom tone sound to the already great setup. I have a Bassman 4x10 that is mixed, so I was already a fan before I heard your rig. Now I have to go out and build a mixed 4x12 cabinet. Thanks.
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 5 лет назад
@@robskatesurf9125 The never ending sound quest 😄
@roncarter2188
@roncarter2188 6 лет назад
I have a 212 cab right now that I have a celestion v30 and a wgs veteran speaker in it and it sounds pretty good but I'm thinking of mixing it up with a vintage 30 celestion and a greenback, so I'm going to see what that sounds like and if it's to my liking I'll probably go that route. But then again it all depends on what you are driving the speakers with and how the cab is constructed is it sealed, open back, ported - So many factors go into this and what it all comes down to is this, if you like the way it sounds, then go with it, that's what I've always relied on.
@lhzx
@lhzx 5 лет назад
Hey there, I'd like to know what volume do you usually use the 100w head with the greenback 2x12? I'm thinking of running a 100w marshall head into a 50w rating 2x12 greenback cab. Heard it may blow up the speakers if the head's wattage is higher than that of the cab's....
@mikeindel
@mikeindel 5 лет назад
Dont do it...im doing it with my 100w jcm but i pulled out 2 of the 4 power tubes and im still weary
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 5 лет назад
I now use a 2x12 with Creambacks (65W each), my top has a PPIMV installed, without that I wouldn't use it with the 25W Greenbacks.
@doyrayburn2668
@doyrayburn2668 3 года назад
What are the dimensions of that Palmer cab? I just built a 24x30x12. This looks close.
@Xevin766
@Xevin766 4 года назад
Hi, how do you connect them at the back? Separately or one cab connected to another and to which output(s)? Thank you
@rodneythekingcobra
@rodneythekingcobra 4 года назад
Hi Andreas , What is recording the audio in your video is it the camera or you used a separate mic ?
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 4 года назад
Hi Andrew, it's only recorded with the camera mic, I allways feel like you can hear better how it sounds in real life ...
@rodneythekingcobra
@rodneythekingcobra 4 года назад
Thanks I must agree sounded perfect.
@JoaoSilva-xs9dz
@JoaoSilva-xs9dz 3 года назад
How did you wire the 4x12? I've been thinkingof doing the same combination, but it would be cool to be able to use all the speakers, but also just the greenbacks, or just the v30s, if desired.. Cheers. Amazing tone!
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 3 года назад
Hi Joao, it's a vintage style cab so you can only use all 4 speakers, but when you get the modern version with the stereopanel it should be possible to wire it like you sayd.
@JoaoSilva-xs9dz
@JoaoSilva-xs9dz 3 года назад
@@AndreasDiehlmann Thanks Andreas. Yeah, i own a 1960A cab, which has the newer pannel. i'll have to research a bit more about it. Cheers!
@johnb4024
@johnb4024 Год назад
If the Greenback and the v30 were in the same cabinet, would a V 30 really overpower the Greenback? I know the v 30 is more efficient, thinking about trying it.
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann Год назад
I don't think that the Greenback would be overpowered by the V30 because that Greenies have a very prominent sound.
@Lpiont
@Lpiont 5 лет назад
What did you think of the combination of the two?
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 5 лет назад
It worked good with the two combined, but I'm using the Greenbacks most of the time! (in the room the V30s are at the edge of being a little harsh). Now I got 2x12 with Creambacks, great sounding alternative!
@fidesetratio77
@fidesetratio77 5 лет назад
Nice playing! Just got a V30 and been doing the same comparison myself with Greenback & Blue. The V30 def has a place as do all other speakers. The greenback is prob by far best all rounder if you need to cover all styles, in my humble opinion!
@jimischland
@jimischland 6 лет назад
klingt toll.......is das palmer Gehäuse offen oder zu....gruß thomas
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 6 лет назад
Danke :) Ist das geschlossene Gehäuse
@deanmlshredder
@deanmlshredder 5 лет назад
The greenback have a little more breakup but the v30s are tighter in the ass.
@henryweiland7761
@henryweiland7761 Год назад
lol
@domyeetfield
@domyeetfield 6 лет назад
Perfect! ;)
@rareform6747
@rareform6747 5 лет назад
Ghosting !
@dannon2010
@dannon2010 5 лет назад
Good playing but I hear you physically hitting the stings almost as much as the speakers.
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 5 лет назад
Believe it or not, I even hear myself hitting the strings in live situations, the video was recorded at rehearsal or live volume ...
@darthslater6077
@darthslater6077 2 года назад
I WAS NEVER A FAN OF GREENBACKS, BLEW TO MANY OF THEM UP....THE V30S ARE MORE FOCUSED AND HAVE MORE HEADROOM...FOR TONE THE V30S BUT I ALSO LOVE THE 75S THAT CAME IN MY 1960 CAB THEY ARE SIMPLY THE BEST....TONE FO RME IS EVERYTHING I DO NOT MEAN CRANKING EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT, I MEAN TONE....
@u563rick6
@u563rick6 5 лет назад
Wattage on the greenbacks and magnet? 25w M?
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 5 лет назад
Yes they are the 25W M version
@lennyluzitano8920
@lennyluzitano8920 4 года назад
4 green backs in the "ROOM"...definately sounds fuller, warmer,..and just as clean as 2x12's in the room....there you have it..!!!...i was right.....I WIIL NOT DITCH MY MARSHALL 4x12 cab for a 2x12 cab..and i am 66 years young....it has wheels....fits in my Toyota Camry Trunk...or squeezes into my back seat....and when i'm in a club ..it fills the room whit "MORE SOUND "at a lower volume...YES..to 4x12 Marshall cabs........fuller,smoother, warmer, fills the room with sound at a lower volume..because it spreads 4x12 cabin way..better than 2x12...."in the Room....."FULLNESS..vs volume..WINS>>>>Lenny Luzitano......Listen to my Music on ReverbNation/Lenny Luzitano...and RU-vid.
@cheycasters
@cheycasters 4 года назад
Well dang, thanks for talking this 63 year young guy into keeping his1968 4x12 cab(s). Ive had the same 100W Super Lead (its a 1970) since I was 17.....that 46 years ago!! Bonus, I paid $500 for both cabs and head in 75. The head is now sitting in Ben Fargens shop getting the first filter cap job and some lovin' on.
@kirillprilepko394
@kirillprilepko394 2 года назад
Is 4x12 louder than 2x12 with the same set of speakers and same impedance?
@thanovee5999
@thanovee5999 4 года назад
The 1960AX sounded way better... nice sound.
@camaro1972ah
@camaro1972ah 5 лет назад
why do you think the chinese greenbacks are bette than the english -what tonal differences?
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 5 лет назад
In my 4x12 cabinets the chinese greenbacks sound less "harsh" but the cabinet with the british Greenbacks is a 1960B perhaps that's a different sound, but I'm to lazy to change the speakers in the two cabinets to try out :D
@camaro1972ah
@camaro1972ah 5 лет назад
Hi , i might try this as I have 1960a and b. Theres a youtube video of a guy comparing the same speakers and these 2 cabs. Shows the sound waves etc. The angle cab comes across much less bright ( suprising to me) but its the way the sound waves cancel each other. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fj_WHO7lROg.html
@trader307
@trader307 3 года назад
when you can play like this guy does it really matter what speakers you have??
@ihanvarmasti
@ihanvarmasti 4 года назад
Im sold! Shut up and take my money!
@ChristopherAshbaugh13
@ChristopherAshbaugh13 5 лет назад
both closed cabs?
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 5 лет назад
Yes, both closed
@Alexhangman
@Alexhangman 6 лет назад
Vintage 30 is "made in" where? CH or EN ?
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 6 лет назад
China, the Greenbacks are China too. The China Greenbacks sound better then the Made in England ones (have some english ones in another 4x12 cab), but for the V30s I think it's the other way round, the Made in England V30s sound way better ...
@Alexhangman
@Alexhangman 6 лет назад
Yeah, i agree with you. I just bought V30 made in England 16 Ohm from eBay. it is on its way. I sold my chinese V30 a year ago.
@santiagoterrazas3279
@santiagoterrazas3279 3 года назад
Los Greenback suenan a Hendrix
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 3 года назад
Yes! I love them 🤩
@travelbyrocket
@travelbyrocket 6 лет назад
I did some comparisons too on my 212 and 412 cabs ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TWkGw-w5igs.html. Scumback, V30s, G12Ms. Always love the GB tone!
@jgabora
@jgabora 2 года назад
The only thing I don’t like about Fender Strats is that everyone who plays them tries to sound like Jimi Hendrix.
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 2 года назад
As if this sounds like JH 🙄 Believe me if I try to sound like Hendrix it sounds like Hendrix and not like this 😂
@jasonbaak
@jasonbaak 6 лет назад
Nice comparison and great playing indeed! Is that Palmer open or closed back? And what model Greenbacks are you using (old ones, Heritage or the Chinese version)? Thanks!
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 6 лет назад
Thanks :) The Palmer is closed back. The Greenbacks are the chinese version, I have another 4x12 with english greenbacks from the 90s actually i like the chinese ones better.
@jasonbaak
@jasonbaak 6 лет назад
Andreas Diehlmann cool, thanks!
@ATOMSKI_MRAV
@ATOMSKI_MRAV 5 лет назад
@@AndreasDiehlmann That's a personal opinion. I love my English Greenbacks while I despised my English V30s. The Chinese Greenbacks sounded too thin while the Chinese V30s were not as fizzy as the English ones. Currently I have two English Greenbacks and two Chinese V30s.
@AndreasDiehlmann
@AndreasDiehlmann 5 лет назад
@@ATOMSKI_MRAV 😀 i think the whole system with all its components is so complex! So it works for you, then when I would use my stuff with your cab it would sound like crap and your stuff with my cab would sound like sh...
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