CEO GETS GHOSTED, NOW WANTS JOB SEEKERS TO PAY TO APPLY?! |  

You are an MVP in a sea of people who don't care. We appreciate you.

Thank you for not ghosting. Even if you gave some cookie cutter answer at least there's closure.

I have been emailed and called by two people I interviewed with out of the 200 people in my lifetime I interviewed with. It probably took them 3 minutes but it really stood out as classy .

We need more good people like you in the recruitment business.

@@JoshuaFluke1 "You are an MVP in a sea of people who don't care. We appreciate you." And how do you change people's mindsets, Josh? By making videos to tell them that it's ok to not have a courtesy to tell someone that you won't be attending a meeting that they know they have in their schedule?

Say it louder for the people in the back

@@tobiasreaper3650 IF I GOT 5 BUCKS FOR....

What I hate is when they act like you got the job and you end up not getting it, just tell me I didn't get it, be honest.

Lol! Right!?

me too

No normal company does.

So.... You're saying i shouldn't give every random guy who knows how to copy/paste corporate job speak onto Indeed my SSN, license number, personal history, bank routing number, and a job application fee....? Then how do I get a job? ;)

don't some states have laws about this, especially union heavy states like new jersey? if anything this is a liability issue that could see future civil lawsuits.

my first thought, i'd think it was a scam company too.

It's like the guy has been oblivious to the costs of running a business all this time.

It's called investment. If good candidate is found, return of investment will happen within 1st day of his or her employment

at least recruiters get paid for searching for people. We don't get paid for looking for a job.

Spend even more to retain them. No? then goto 1

You know, instead of immediately firing the experienced staff so you can get newbies you don't have to pay as much.

But they have an enormous beating heart

*Department of Labor and comptroller office has entered the chat*

5 bucks here I come

Looks like he deleted it already lol

Little anecdote from my job search. An American company paid for a flight, back and fourth, from Europe to the USA to have a 1 day interview with me. So good companies pay you to travel to the interview. Accommodation included...

After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.

Plot twist - first he restricted the post to connections only, now I think it has been deleted. Much bravery.

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what permanent record? that thing was useless in school, it's useless after

@@BdelaCAS I think he’s joking

@@BdelaCAS I was definitely joking. But I have been told by HR to rewrite a resignation letter in case I ever wanted to come back, because mine wasn't good enough and it would be in my permanent file. This was at a large university. I told them no. Within two months that university was a client of my new company I've now had for 13 years.

@@saywhatnow57 that must be fun, did it ever come back again or talk with the same people?

Maybe try desktop apps? Or mobile? Maybe games? Cyber security is very general you need to know alot about alot. Web dev, hardware, different IT connections. All that.

@@JoshuaFluke1 The thing I hate about web development is the CSS. I love just coding and not worrying about how the final product will look. Any recommendations based off of that?

@@ahadzeb1142 While I like styling my webapps, I get why people don't like it. You might be the perfect candidate for backend development, just pure development, no shenanigans. There are plenty of jobs available and more than enough freelance work !

I think it depends on the amount of time it takes to get an interview scheduled. If you apply and 2 months later you get a response for an interview, then I'm not even going to answer lmao

Plot twist twist: Me and my ski mask bros come in to rob the place at 2:48 AM from the back window

No company is good enough to make someone pay. I'd rather walk dogs for a living than endure more of this insane feudalist bullshit from corporations

Yes - exactly! It's a new business model for sleazebag CEOs!

After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.

I pretty sure some employers would just do that to earn money.

Just got an email from a company I didn’t even apply to requesting I take an aptitude test which takes an hour or more. Really really don’t want to waist my time jumping through hoops for nothing.

Exactly we have to update our resume, customise a cover letter, travel, pay for petrol and parking and they want us to pay, fuck off i would not want to work there

@@noble7461 I don't know who tf started using aptitude tests as a screening method 😤

recruiters get paid to talk to us. We don't get paid to apply to jobs. And it's a business transaction for the benefit of the company AND the employee. The company gets an employee, the employee gets a job. Better example: when an agency tells me to drive 1-2 hours to their agency. "for an interview". But it's not an interview with the company, it's with the agency. Any questions that they have, they can ask over the e-mail or phone. Any paperwork they need, they can send via e-mail. Making me waste several hours of my time for some 20 year old kid getting 10 minutes of experience interviewing a person. Who should be paying who here?

What world do you live in where applying for a job is supposed to be "rewarding for an applicant"? What an absolute joke of mentality

That's so sweet, literally

lol

Lol same happened to me too.

Sometimes managers at corporate jobs bend rules or directly break rules because they’re humans with empathy. I worked at a predatory loan office after college and talked many customers out of all kinds of loans that they didn’t need or couldn’t get out of if they would’ve applied. Literally would give them financial advice and try to help them find an alternative solution before borrowing money from us. But our manager at Wendy’s in high school would take wraps and cheese and sauces and make us cheese quesadillas. He knew he could get in deep shit but didn’t care because it was shit that we were gonna throw away and it was a tiny thing that meant a lot to us.

@@Greenthumb6a I used to do the same thing, talk people out of getting loans when I worked for a place that did payday loans. I'd spend more time talking them out of it and looking for other solutions than it would take for me to write the loan. Around half of the people were coming in wanting a loan to pay medical bills, usually from one of those freestanding ER places that started popping up everywhere around 12, maybe 15 years, where they charge $60 for an aspirin. Collections would be telling them they were going to sue them and garnish their wages or even send the police to their house to arrest them and put them in jail if they didn't pay. Of course that's all BS, they can't throw you in jail anywhere in the US, and in my state they can't garnish wages for anything except taxes and child support. They're almost never going to sue for anything less than $5k, likely $10k. Medical bills don't count against your credit the same way as other debt, at least in my state, it can't be counted against you when applying for a home loan and a lot of places never bother reporting it anyway. And they have to accept a payment plan if you offer, whether it's $20 a month or whatever. I handed out flyers I made up with the contact info on how to file complaints with the state attorney general, OCCC, CFPB & FTC for the ones threatening jail time. Anyway, the ones that did get it, I made sure they knew the terms we weren't supposed to talk about, like it can be canceled if paid back within 3 days, or payment plans available with a fraction of the interest rate. I hate the way corporations run our country and our lives, trapping people in that crap. There was one senior manager that wanted to fire me over it. I flat out refused to stop what I was doing, telling her it's in the best interest of our customers and it'd be a disservice to withhold everything I counseled them on. But I was a model employee, my store still had the best numbers in the region with 15 others, and HR and some of her superiors actually backed me up, and said that wasn't a valid cause for termination. Surprising, because it probably was, this being an at will state.

The irony is palpable ! 🤣

ALL THE TIME

Same thing how they expect 2 week notice when you quit, but fire you with zero notice

​@@rafael502 Not just zero notice but will out and out lie about how there is no expectation of downsizing less than a week before doing so.

The only companies that should be able to get away with this are ones who would never make you do this. You would complete a 4 hour sprint for google, microsoft or amazon for this chance just to tell others you did it. But those companies would never let an outsider touch their non-open source code.

@@sohaibarif2835 I think you're right in both statements, I would be more willing to provide work to a company in which the result of hiring is tremendous but the same companies that hold this value would never ask anyone to because they simply don't require that input to get a result for their product in the first place.

They're just making free work from job "applicants" part of their business model. Kind of like a modern day, white collar slavery.

Lol, that tells you a lot about a company. They don’t have any concerns about people stealing their code or poking about looking for security holes... and if they actually use code written by applicants, then they are just plain nuts. They’re clearly not a serious company.

Lol, it's like translation firms sometimes. They would give you an entire document to translate, proofread, etc as your "test". Later on, people would see their work published as an official translation for decrees or something else. No money for the labour, of course, as it was "just the test" after which they would never called back

Corporate entitlement at its finest.

It´s almost sociopath.

Some of the application processes I have done takes hours to apply for 1 job, they take all your personal information all your data and you never hear back...... all wasted time

@@aussiegruber86 For a job interview we usually spend with new clothes, transportation. The HR uses the same clothes he/she uses in work, don´t need transportation, don´t need to rent a place neither most of times. I wonder what make these people think that they spend more.

Shit Id apply at 100 places a day lol

so true

I had an email rejection notice that the position was cancelled about 4 years after I applied. The idiots never found anyone lmao. The department likely got canned.

One I applied for a position, only to hear back well over a year later that the position had re-opened and I was invited to interview. Like... no thanks. Sounds to me like the other person quit and you just need to fill the slot asap.

@@seinfan9 that's great

Man the number of times I have had this happen is crazy.

I'm an aerospace manufacturing engineer and while I was in college I applied to be a tailor at David's Bridal after I bought some things from them to alter my own wedding dress and THEY asked me to apply. I didn't hear anything after that and it's been 6 years since I applied. They called me up just last month to offer me the job! LOL!

the advent of distant two way communication started the trend, probably when the telephone was invented

ahahahhaha you hit them right on the nail

@@cuddlycooper8169 Probably when letters were first used. I don't think ghosting is a modern thing.

I believe you should reverse charge them minus 5gbp as your exposure is worth more.

Welp

@@JoshuaFluke1 I was satisfied.

@@JoshuaFluke1 welp is apparently puppy in some language according to google translate

@@kapjoteh It's "Welpe" in german.

@@kapjoteh it's the cousin of "gulp"

Lmaoooo nah bro, paste wht you sent here , I need the laugh today.

@@Goval400 I didn't really say anything Josh didn't cover here. Just that it's an abhorrent idea which would never fly were it the other way around, that I know they'd never reach out to a prospective candidate to offer the same courtesy upon passing them up and that this suggestion speaks a lot about what this company's business model is probably like.

A temp agency is a union for scabs. Except they don't get good pay or benefits

* a scab agency

If you consider that it is far more common to hear,read,watch a ghost story about a human that has died than about a company that died I would say that when a corporation does it the term used should properly be zombied/undeaded,or generically, /monstered. Those terms are not as catchy for this and are experiencing heavy useage in other situations so I understand turning these nouns to verbs will have to wait for mainstream appeal. Not so much a double standard as no standard at all. There is a reason the warning for scams exsist. That reason is that CEO's are criminally inclined and certain bechaviors are illigal. More than likely because the potential for abuse is 98.6%.

Man why is America so easy on the "I'm gonna sue you" trigger? How butthurt can some people get...

@@stefan1360 laughs in European

@stefan1360 Gotta sue alot to stop these greedy companies/landlords from screwing us. Pretty much every landlord(that is an LLC individuals are usually better about it) will try to find some way to screw you out of your deposit if anything people don't sue enough in some cases or landlords wouldn't pull that bs

@@stefan1360 the weirder thing is he probably spent a few hundred in court just to file the case...

@@stefan1360 If you have the time money and inclination it is the only way to get anything out of the parasite. If americans were paid for the productivity they produce the butthurt would go away and so would the hunger, anxiety and willingness to do anything to keep a job. But you knew that....

They string along in case the chosen applicant leaves.

It is also an act of stealing intellectual property. Any beneficial tricks will be adopted and stolen without your consent.

!!!!!! Yes good on you for recognizing the disrespect

They'll do anything they can to get you to do billable work for free.

What if we sign nda with them that they cannot use it? 😅

I would make a decent side hustle that way from each Indian recruiter that has ever contacted me about a job that either pays less than $15/hour or required relocation while having requirements that I couldn't meet.

From what I’m seeing most applicants aren’t selected. Recruiting managers select a majority of people.