"QUIET HIRING" - THE "NEXT" DUMB JOB TREND |  

An article from VOX posted just 7 hours ago confirms my tin foil hat theory that Emily McRae is indeed responsible for the term, and went into a room full of executives and basically said 'quiet hiring is now a thing'. Then proceeded to tell the media. She says it's very important that we take the naming seriously of these dumb trends and she doesn't take it lightly. Anyways, here's a potato. Excepts from the article - www.vox.com/recode/23548422/quiet-quitting-hiring-great-resignation-words-about-work "And then Emily Rose McRae, senior director of research at Gartner and leader of its future of work research team, can take credit for popularizing the current iteration of the term, after her 2023 work trends report was picked up in a CNBC article last week." All that said, McRae says the naming of trends is an important responsibility and one she says she doesn’t take lightly. “We’re gonna go into a room full of executives in a position of authority and say, ‘This is happening.’ By the very nature of doing that, we’re going to bring it into existence a little bit more.” Hope you enjoyed the vid.

Quiet hiring: "exploiting multitalented employees without paying them for the additional service". It should be called for what it is: exploiting.

It means hiring so others who have the same position can’t talk to each other and find out 90% of them are being screwed cause they aren’t earning a nepotism salary.

My old job "quiet hired" me to drive a forklift. They trained me for it, I got experience... but there are no pay increases at that job for being able to do it. So with my new skill, I went to another job specifically for driving a forklift, that paid $5 more per hour than my old job. Thanks, quiet hiring! :D

"Quiet hiring is what caused quiet quitting because we've been doing it for decades but now we gave it a word to make it trendy too"

I tried quite farting at the office. Believe me, people still knew

This “quiet hiring” was the whole reason people were “quiet quoting” in the first place

There are two answers I have given for "Quiet Hiring", and that was a decade and a half ago. "I don't work for free." and "No pay. No work." The "No pay. No work." worked pretty good when I was a trucker. I'd be on my phone with dispatch about them withholding pay, or having paid me wrong, shorting my pay (happened *all* the time) and I'd just pull the key out of the ignition. "Why are you stopping?!" "No pay. No work. Truck sits until you issue a P.O. Number for my ComChecks." "That's a million dollar load of auto parts!!" "...I know... Better get cracking."

I got "quiet hired" to do manager duties. They never actually promoted me or paid me for the work. They didn't increase my pay - I still got paid minimum wage. It took a huge toll on me, being taken advantage of in this way. I felt unappreciated, overwhelmed, and miserable. Quitting was the best thing I ever did.

I got “quietly hired” into a middle manager’s duties and after a couple months of empty promises I “loudly quit”

"People aren't going above and beyond anymore, not because ThEy DoN't WaNt To. But because they have been, and got nothing for it." Damn, that is the most accurate statement I've heard this year.

You know, corporate types dont get enough credit these days. That brainstorming section is actually an amazing example of how well these people can use so many words to express absolutely nothing. I can only imagine how it would sound to sit in at a corporate meeting, just hearing buzzword after buzzword, with very little actual substance or depth. Truly breathtaking.

My boyfriend just reached the inevitable end of the “quiet hiring” process. His contractor term (initially 1 year and then extended to another year) was ended 6 months early with 2 weeks notice🤗. He was the top performing person in his department by the companies own monthly metrics (contractors and full time included). And they wonder why GenZ doesn’t gaf about the company’s needs.

Two options: 1. Say no thank you and continue to do the job they are paying you for. 2: say yes, add the new responsibilities to your CV and use it to immediately look for a higher paying job

The funniest thing about this is that "Quiet Quitting" was literally the direct result of the "Quiet Hiring" that's been happening for decades. Thanks to Emily Rose McRae, we, as the work force, now have a super simple phrase that we can leverage to callout this BS when it's used by our employers. Thanks Emily, you really helped us define this in a concise way now!

Being in retail management, my favorite thing is being asked "Why are sales down in your departments?" "Well, people just aren't buying, right now." "No, its something you're doing... We will be taking a closer look at you."

Quiet quitting is the exact opposite of quiet hiring "That's not my job" is our counter to them trying to get us to do 4 jobs instead of just 1.

I think it's about time the employees start a "quiet riot"

"Quiet Hiring"= Tricking the employee into going "above and beyond" for no additonal pay

This lady brainstorms what will happen in the future and gets paid six figures, I do it and get diagnosed with anxiety lmao

When I was working at Ralphs, they offered me two different promotions, then took them away at the last second citing "union issues" after teaching me how to perform the tasks required for those positions (Deli Chef, Cheese Master. That way, they could have me perform the tasks without paying me for the positions. I got a second job that was taking priority over Ralphs, and quit from Ralphs soon after, to which the managers told me, "If you needed more money then we could've given you extra hours to work." That's not how this fucking works, and I know my worth.

"HR experts" are complete idiots. Especially when Gartner gets involved. Your definition of "quiet hiring" is spot on. I've been dealing with "quiet hiring" for 25+ years - it's called more responsibility, different jobs from what I started out, and of course no additional salary.

The corporate disconnect with reality is mind boggling.

She made fetch happen.She just wrote an article telling you what companies are already doing to employees and have for decades-adding and changing your job duties. She came up with a new term for it. She spent 20 hours and performed a hippie meditation ritual to come up with this idea, which is a non-idea and gas lit her supervisors that this was an innovative insight.

I did 80 hrs per week for an entire year,I am salaried, so I didn't get anything but a bunch of emails about how I saved the project and was so appreciated. This was planned project work and not emergency situation. I am an exempt employee, but this was straight abuse of the exempt status. Anyway, a year later they laid me off and stated they sent the role "offshore". Now, I typically work about 60 hrs a week, but the 80 was real tough for me. So, yeah, there is no benefit at these large enterprises.

Reading those “tips” on swindling employees was sickening

I’ve definitely been duped by the “we’ll get around to hiring someone to do this” bit. I worked nights at a hotel for 3 years. And there was one point where it was just me and another girl alternating shifts. And she gave them 3 *months* notice that she would be leaving. And they still didn’t hire anyone. So they asked me to fill in every night until they found someone to replace her. I did get overtime and everything, so it’s not like I wasn’t compensated for it. But this went on for months. I would ask the assistant manager for updates. She said that she’d pass along applications, but she’s not able to hire people herself. Finally, some life stuff happened. I had the opportunity to move, so I put in my 3 weeks. *The next day* they had magically found TWO new employees that they expected me to train before I left.

Quiet Hiring is literally just the HR equivalent of "paying in exposure".

This is seriously my last job in a nutshell. I literally was doing 6 jobs and hadn't gotten a raise in many years. I asked for one and they offered .45 cents. I was making 14.50 (which was min wage at the time and I had worked there for 7 years) at a warehouse job and Taco Bell in the same area was hiring people starting at 16.00. The best thing I ever did for myself was quit that job and go back to school.

It amazes me how she can seriously feel she does something of value

Working harder without an incentive is basically taking a pay cut.

So they just said the quiet part out loud. "Your quiet quitting? Fine well im gonna exploit you then!" "Uh, you have been exploiting me this whole time" Quiet hiring just sounds like (as usual) companies are doubling down on the bad practices. This whole thing just sounds like putting a sheet over the problem and thinking we don't have object permanence.

Nannies call that "job creep". You get hired to watch the kid and clean up after the kid, you get asked to do one load of laundry because mom boss is in a pinch and needs an outfit by tonight. Next thing you know, you're expected to do laundry regularly. Same happens if you do the dishes once just because you have the time and inclination, and it's nice to be nice, but pretty soon it's an expectation.

Spoiler alert: it’s not the way a manager phrases things. It’s about the manager. For a great manager, I’m happy to go above & beyond. Bad managers get blank stares. This is exactly why I’ve left jobs. Bad managers who expect more & give no credit. The d-bag manager comes in & doesn’t understand what my actual job consists of.

Back in the 90's George Carlin had a skit on what he called "soft language"; aka euphemisms. George hated euphemisms because they conceal reality and they just show up out of nowhere without warning. And they just keep getting worse. George wasn't a stand up comedian; he was a prophet.

"Quiet hiring" is just training... a thing that existed forever

Loyalty and dedication are no longer seen as admirable traits... They are seen as exploitable ones.

I literally had my manager give me that "do more work since you already do and in couple years you'll have someone help you with your job of 2 people" speech a month ago, currently am negotiating my salary at new job !

I've actually experienced this. I was customer service at a corporate/warehouse retailer and suddenly found myself processing returns. Then I suddenly found myself working as the front receptionist and then picking online orders in the warehouse. I was performing 4 people's responsibilities for minimum wage.

It reminds me of the 1990's where managers all read the same book or article about a revolutionary new management concept : tinker toy team training, paradigms, quality circles, total quality management and many others. It would sweep in a big wave across industries and each company had a slightly different propagation delay. Many of the ideas showed up in Dilbert cartoons. Some of the techniques were supposed to be done to circumvent the poor management in the company (quality circles) and thus could get you fired. Many of them were so managers could teach all their employees to think more flexibly and congratulate themselves on how enlightened they were. Most of the techniques merely gave the employee back some extra time to be strategic, which had been scheduled out of their job and were trying desperately to meet quotas. Many of them were pointless, because subsequent disruptions in the work environment would undermine all their strategic plans (Franklin scheduling training) or some time management program would require documenting all the time spent on strategic thinking, raising red flags. Of course, some management experts had to write the books or articles. McRae is just another of the same. The next revolutionary idea will just undermine some parts of this "quiet hiring" idea and overall there will be no gains as each new idea removes some of the foundation of the others. There is no underlying solid management design but just a bunch of half-baked values fighting for recognition. So many workers today are contractors, so they get no reliable review cycle and get punished for drawing outside the lines. This lack of structure and incentives will kill this latest concept.

Insane topic and tour approach. Yet another subscriber.

Quiet hiring is how you train employees to get better paying jobs. If you train your employees to do more and they end up doing more and being more valuable, you'll have to reward them with a pay bump and a new title. Otherwise someone else will.

I'm starting a new labor term: calling it "quietly getting dumber". More acronyms in the workplace, managers admitting they have no idea how I do my job, I'll just appear dumber and dumber but have a good attitude so I get promoted into management.

So appreciate this video!

A lot of this stuff happened to me because, of course, no one tells you what to look out for in college. So the first decade of my work experience has been pretty exploitative. And you kind of have to do it because of student debt. It’s becoming an unhealthy dynamic.

My coworker was asked to be the "temporary manager" , while they were doing the hiring search. She was told by Upper Management , it would be good experience for her, but they couldn't pay her the higher pay. She went back to school to get her Master's degree, since that would eventually be a requirement as a Manager. She ran the Department for over 18 months, when they finally hired a permanent Manager, she was told that she didn't qualify for the Manager position.

This shit has been happening since forever, that's why we have all the quiet quitters and people all standing up at their jobs finally. This last generation is tired of the abuse.

You absolutely NAILED this subject!

This used to be called "job enrichment", where people were enriched by being given new hats to wear - like a job description tumor.

I am retired. This lying crap has been going on forever. It’s not new. I remember one time 15 people were led to believe they were going to get the promotion if they just worked harder and did more outside of their job. In the end the job went to the managers girlfriend nobody got it! Remember people lie. Period.

This happened to me. It was wage theft because when an employee quit, my boss lied and said they would hire someone but asked me to do their job plus mine with no extra pay. I quit in July but I was doing 6 jobs. My salary should have been over $200k for 6 jobs but it was $64k. After I quit the person who assumed my role which was 6 jobs plus his job, passed away on December 27th. He was 49 years old. Yesterday my new boss asked me what I did at my old job and my new boss couldn't believe I did all that work. 9:46 Josh said it best

Quiet hiring is a thing that's been going on for ages. That's what caused quiet quitting to be a thing in the first place. These companies are just shooting themselves in the foot

what you explained was the exact thing i was thinking what quiet hiring meant so not surprised at all

Crazy how I'm just realizing this has been happening to me. I wanted to learn new skills so I allowed HR to "expand" my responsibilities, but when they wanted to promote me without changing my salary, "because I was basically doing the job anyway" I said HELL NO. Companies will find every way to take advantage of your hard work.

Swindle is an excellent way to describe “quiet hiring”

Man if I’m asked to do some “quiet hiring” for no extra pay, I’m not “quiet” quitting, i’m LOUD quitting.

You're very good at reading between the lines and translating "professional" mumbo jumbo into what they really mean.

She's a legit grifter. I have to give her props tho, she's figured out a way to do nothing and get paid for it.

That HR brainstorming session sounds like a gathering of fortune-tellers having a gathering on finding a new way of conning people out of their money.

Hahah, didn't see that end coming!

This happened to my wife, she had been working effectively as a senior rank in her role, so with a lot of responsibility and a lot of extra work, without being given the prestige and the salary with it. Then at one point she finally managed to achieve that promotion, but even then, for a couple more months she only had the prestige, a different job title, but still for the same salary. Only now she was given the salary she deserves for having been providing senior-level output in a junior position for almost a year. At least they promised to backdate her salary for those 2 months. And she is a lucky one. I do this to myself, so I am even worse. I have been putting forward process improvements to make my job even just doable, doing what my manager should had done long ago. Also, I have my own self-started projects because I have my own goals to achieve, but whether I will get any genuine recognition for them that go beyond mere words, is yet to be seen.

so essentially... quiet hiring is something older than my grandpa, but its being sold as "the new trend". These people really think we are THAT dumb?!?!?

Companies have been quiet hiring forever now, "Other Duties as Assigned" is the worst and second most abuse work place thing. Wage theft in all its forms of course is the worst and the two are obviously deeply linked.

At my hospital, going above and beyond meant you took on more work, with less resources for the same pay. What was our reward for all this? They continuously delayed our annual raise by 4-5 months until we were all over a year behind on the money we were promised when hired. They counted on us caring about our patients more than our own wellbeing, but eventually that ran out. The worst part is when a lot of us walked out, they just bitched to the government that they were 'understaffed', getting more money to hire new workers. They pocketed that money and dumped the extra work on who was left.

Madness All of it Entire ideas and this presentation

It's even spread to fast food. Taco Bell tried pulling this as I was only authorised to do food the service people get paid more, the manager asked me to take care of customers orders and I responded pay me the difference in the job title and i will. She walked and laughed stating i was funny. My response was walking out to go seek another job

The best thing about being a contractor is quitting. Then everyone is mad at you. The recruiters are mad, the company is mad. All you hear is but but, we were planning on moving you to full time. It was just being held up by paper work. I love hearing your takes on all the marketing speak employees hear from corporate Josh.

Omg the learning opportunities thing. I have heard this soooo much at my job. I literally know how to do everything in my dept. And am doing managers stuff. My paycheck does not reflect this…. Oh.. but this is such a good learning opportunity. And new skill. Absolutely, something I’m gonna take with me when I quit this fucking job and you guys scramble to find 4 employees to cover what I do. Sigh lol love this channel. New sub!

Thanks for giving us in the rest of the world a head start when this "trend" might reach, ehh, affect, us. Gretting from Europe, love your stuff.

I feel a weird mix of blessed and survivors guilt whenever I hear of stuff like this, because the manager of my last job never expected more of us than what our job was. He also didn't spout the whole "On time is 10 minutes late" bs, and when we were on break, we were on break, no exceptions.

How funny that I've been "quiet hiring" since I started working. My first job was a Sales Associate at Sears (yeah, I'm old af, I know) in 2004. I did things my bosses asked that weren't literally in my job description, and those weren't really worth mentioning. But as I worked at places where I wanted to advance, like Disneyland, I did things that I look back on and realize were basically entirely other jobs. In fact, I, on my own, created a new position for restaurants that was a liason with the Maintenance department. I taught two co-workers at other restaurants what I had spent over a year learning and creating, and they both got promoted to manager off that position. And as the person who CREATED and shaped the position... I got nothing. In fact, I got the position taken away from me because I became increasingly unhappy with my management team for mistreating me for over 5 years after becoming a shift lead and working my brains out. Literally spent my first summer in that role working 6 days a week, 4 of those in 12 hour shifts, and learning to be lead for all but 3 positions in the restaurant. Oh, and I was also the only lead who asked to be trained in the positions I'd oversee so I knew wtf I was asking of people I'd be in charge of. Not to mention I was, or at least my co-workers told me I was, a great lead/boss. I'm sure some didn't mean it, but when I had problems with staffing and my workers would volunteer to stay for me, but not for other leads for the same work literally the next day, I think that attests that I treated them well and they felt appreciated when working for me, which I did and tried to show it in the limited ways I could. This has followed me into my construction career. I got hired as office admin, answering phones, scheduling the CEOs meetings, and it only took months to take on things like helping processing payroll, ordering company equipment, even minor IT work. That eventually turned into me creating, from pretty much scratch, their safety program. And then I got let go after the company was bought out because my "position doesn't exist within our corporate structure". That's right, a construction company without a safety dept? No, they just didn't have safety COORDINATORS, so it was nice to be thanked for all that work (without a raise btw) for 2 years. So this isn't a "new work trend". This is just corporate repackaging of an old idea they want to sell. Literally. God I hate it here. Lmao.

I was victim of that shit in my previous job. Started like: "So, this department is understaffed, so from time to time you will be doing the same function as them will doing your regular job. And we are not training you because is temporary". And then weeks later: "The other department no longer exist, now you are taking over their role and the role you have been doing and were trained for no longer exists. And we will give you no training because you can learn on the go"

good points

Definitely DONT get more personal with your job/boss/coworkers. If youre having problems, especially with the job, just leave. They will use everything you say against you.

All these companies come up with all these bullshit terms to avoid employees talking about one simple important issue. "Paying the Employees".

The French for decades have been saying, "Compensation!" every time they've been asked to do more than their job description or going overtime (or so a French guy once told me). They even pushed back against teachers giving out homework. Sounds like they do more socializing in the evenings and on their days off over there. In general. But what do I know

My favorite Hr story: I was trying to hire an hourly worker to operate packaging equipment. The employee had worked at 3 companies in 10 years, increasing their wages at each step going from manual labor to supervising a line. The head of Hr denied the hire since the employee was only motivated by greed. When I pointed out that their company bio (before Linked in) stated that they had also worked at 3 other companies in a decade, they stated they were seeking new responsibilities. When I asked if each position came with more money, the Hr said that they went to college and so had higher aspirations. Now days, we constantly have talking heads talk about the waste of going to college. Don't believe them, four years of college is valued more than a decade of working in the trenches. Plus for some reason employers seem to believe that a degree provides proof of morale and intellectual superiority.

the biggest red flag of any company for me, is a manager who tries to be your friend.

Exactly! This bs has to stop..

I quiet quit bc my company did 'quiet hire' we even received an email from the now defunct CEO with literally the quote, "Do More For Less" bc they greatly appreciate it. Adding 3 or 4 more tasks especially that requires us to go to different offices just to perform for 2-3 hours. Not necessarily dumb if it helps the person get through a tough work day or work atmosphere that they cannot escape due to job market downturn. People are looking for better jobs, problem is some of these jobs are very selective due to the great resignation.

My personal strategy has been to take on the new position, get the title, hold it long enough to stick, then leverage it in the interviews for a new job with better pay.

"why should I trust that you'll follow through on what you're telling me?" this is the perfect response to any corporate promise and I'll be using this next time

Since the pandemic, weve all realized how much we do for companies and how little we get rewarded for it and it doesnt want to be addressed in the media or by companies so now theyre just fighting against people that come to work, do just their actual job, and then go home as if thats a bad thing

That last transparency part... If it were honest and truthful, I could respect it. I've actually been there. We had a hiring freeze and were all asked to put in more work, some of us asked to take on extra duties. And once the recession (2008-ish?) was over, they hired more people and we went back to normal. We had one year of shit raises, but they went back to normal raises after that. I've heard they finally caved and became just as shitty as other big companies since, though.

A few years ago, worked for a company where a succession of eager beavers, myself included, went above and beyond, learning the whole system, advising other colleagues, became experts... and got nothing back for it at all, so eventually just walked out, myself included. There's just no point in the modern workplace.

Damn. I messaged you 6 days ago mentioning the new team "quiet quitting" on Facebook and you already have this well researched content. I'm guess you were already ahead of the curb on this nonsense. Thanks for producing content as fast as the nonsense is being spewed.

Oh I love this that is sooooooooo current corporate "Times are difficult how about you taking the fall and losses employee/customer" Remember if YOU don`t have a company to lose your answer to that idea should be always "No thanks!"

These are the exact reasons I left the automotive industry. Things have been bad since, but I am not losing hope!

Or how about this? You OFFER A RAISE to those who want to take on more responsibilities, and then not only do you get the work done, the employee *wants* to do it!

The only quiet hiring we have at our company is how the top sales person's nephew becomes a branch manager, how the COO's daughter gets hired as our HR Manager with no HR experience and so on. the quiet part is don't speak up or you instead will be shown the door.

My manager tried to pull this crap on a lady before. She was hired to work only in restocking and organizing shop items, work for 5 hours and then leave. A few weeks pass and now Manager wants her to also start taking orders, make drinks, ect and immediately the lady just said "If I wanted to work this job I'd go anywhere else that pays me more for it" she left and never came back. Honestly based, good for her. Don't put up with that manipulative crap. It's exactly why when my manager tried prodding into our private life like we're "friends" I keep things extremely nebulous at best.

Definitely. A company I worked for LOVED coming up with new products and offerings, and signing on new clients, with NO ONE to fill the positions needed for their new contracts... so they over promise and then pressure current employees to take on roles they were not initially hired on for (meaning excessive amounts of unpaid self-guided training was needed). They pressured me and didn't even offer a clear answer about increasing my compensation, so I quit. :)

Get everything in writing. If they say they'll give you this promotion, get them to sign and date it on paper and in an email. If they say there are other conditions, get them to specify those conditions so when they're met, you can call them out. All on paper. Paper trails are vital!

You know Emily, you've been doing such a good job playing with potatoes and making up words, we think you're a good fit for a new learning opportunity. It involves working as a team with Milton downstairs, investigating the inner workings of the state welfare office from an end user perspective.

8:45 Verbatim pitch I was given after being 'promoted' on a Zoom call with a large number of people, prior to me even knowing, or being asked about, the move. AND they never produced the job description I continuously requested for over six months. When the project management job turned out to be stressful garbage, my old job had dissolved away, and I had no where to go but to be extremely unhappy and overworked, or quit. And this was a company I had been at for years, and had done excellent work up until this BS move.

Yep, had the same experience multiple times: I was hired for a specific role, but in the end they assigned me multiple completely different roles within the same team, while being payed only for the first role. Quiet hiring or overcharging your employee's will end either in burnout or in quiet quiting alias work-to-rule until the corresponding employee will officially quit.

There should always be, somewhere in the conversation, a question about the total salary of the CEO and/or the investors. Especially if they bring up the argument of "it's a hard time for the company".

Flashbacks to my last 9 to 5 where I was one of 4 supervisors overseeing the needs and work flow of the rest of our employees and how my "quiet hiring" myself to try to "help more" ended up making everyone else's work life hell, my own included, as they used my work stats as the new baseline of expected performance and punished others for not juggling 3 positions they weren't hired to perform at the same time. Lesson learned. If not asked to do it, will never do it again. Unfortunately, they also punished me for doing the things I was tasked with doing since I was, "too effective" and "too meticulous" for their expectations; aka I was finding where too many other supervisors kept fucking up and fixing it and since none of the other supervisors had time to find their own mistakes, much less other people's mistakes, they accused me of hacking their software and making up the mistakes I found, as if anyone had the time to do that much less know-how. And no matter how many times I pleased, "the mess ups are a direct result of the fact you cut each shift by 2 workers on average and we have nearly double the workload as it is, so that much pressure and stress on anyone is guaranteed to mean human error," they would turn around and show me my stats and say, "we don't see the issue here, so we're not going to consider what you're saying." Ffs, just because I can multitask doesn't mean punish others who can't. Fuck that place.

Was a fan from Dr Phil BS about being biased against Quite Quitting lol but goddamn, you’ve taught me this new concept that will continue to but fail. Like you said it’ll only encourage more Quite Quitting or lose contractors 😂

I've had all of these said to me or something of that variation. And I've always flat told hr if it doesn't a pay increase I don't care and not doing it. You can't fire me because you already saying you're desperate for people so you'll just make it worse so either you pay me more to do that job or I'm just going to keep doing my regular job and you can keep that extra work