Chaos is a ladder... but to where? ASOIAF Theory Analysis (Part IV) Feat. Jessie Bear Book Club! 

Thank you for the high praise! I am interested in talking about Lyana and Jon's parentage and the whole R + L = (X) thing at some point for sure, got a fair amount of thoughts on it. As for Littlefingers involvement, while I like the idea and I like the InDeepGeek theory I have yet to find anything that actually points to or verifies it, so short of LF admitting it to Sansa or something I think its a no go, at least to me.

I'm not so much a fan of the idea of magic but I do agree that its proximity to the gods eye and the weirwoods doo give it a connection to some of the powers of the series. So yes I think that an ending near there or like at the shores of the Gods Eye is possible(?) But like a lotta things could happen so I'm still kinda hesitant to think its anything other than like a Red Harrenhalling for lack of better terms. Like its powerful and cool and got lore and all that but its not gonna be an essential element(?) Its at least worth considering imo and yes I think youre right about all that mystic stuff and "magic" surrounding the castle being a big part of why LF is associated with "magic".. or at least its a strong potential

That is the highest quality complement I can receive, thank you!

@@randominternetguyoffical and u truly deserve it many thanks

BETTER!

That is fascinating and I have never heard that comparison before I'm gonna have to go take a look at Heathcliff I think!

@@randominternetguyoffical It is a fairly interesting comparison! It has been made on the internet but other people’s comparisons are obviously prejudiced one way or the other so I would recommend doing your own research by looking at a summary of the book (or reading it if you have the time). I am glad that it sounded interesting!

@@randominternetguyoffical Have you had the chance to take a look at it?

@@faintingheroine sadly I have not as of yet but it is still on the list. Even got a name for the video... "The Wuthering Finger"... or "Fingering Heights" XD

@@randominternetguyoffical I am looking forward to the Wuthering Fingers 🤣

Are you a Snodgrass fan from other stuff?? Just listened to your readings btw! You have a great voice, maybe I could enlist your help sometime doing a reading for a video 0_0 I've been having lots of fun with dramatic readings and I'm working on a collaborative on with my friend currently so I'd like to do more.

@@randominternetguyoffical Next Gen is my favourite Star Trek, i honestly think they should play it to kids in schools to learn morals! The writing was excellent. Thankyou! That sounds great, I have a few ideas for videos but terrible at getting it together! (Been trying to record a Theon narration on and off for months)

@@AlexOfTheRhoynar TNG is also my favorite, tho I believe DS9 is close second with some great stories of its own. I honestly need to do some more Trek content, im workin on a Diana Troi video atm and a response to Lore Reloaded's Kira and morality video. Ahh, that should sound pretty good once its done tho. You got anything planned after that??

@@randominternetguyoffical i hold my hands up and admit i didnt get into the other Treks so I'm not entirely versed in the lore, kind of enjoyed the newer films to some extent and got totally disappointed by the newest series, especially had high hopes for Picard though. I particularly enjoyed doing the Tyrion narration and basically having an argument with myself so Ive been trying hard with the Stannis voice for my next one! I was planning one about Meereen or Arianne, ive got an idea for one one Georges self-placement in the series and some loose ideas on other theories. I really want to do one on the Children of the Forest though, those little bleepers are evil. We alllll know it.

@@randominternetguyoffical I love DS9!

That means a lot! I do probably get into the self deprecation a bit more than is earned lmao Im happy to hear the videos are so well received I have great respect of the creators I aspire to do work like, as they gave me so much fun an joy watchin vids and thinkin on goofy theory so Im happy that I'm able to pay it forward while doin something similar.

Im so glad you've enjoyed it so far, I hope that part 5 lives up to the rest!

Check out JessieBearBookClubs Varys x Chrysalis video, id like to hear your thoughts on that comparison.

She's really chill and fun to work with. Were talking about doing another collab in the future, maybe talking HOTD (?) So there should be some more crossover stuff to come. Hopefully some more wildcards talk too.

@@randominternetguyoffical thats so exciting! I love both of your takes and I love Jessies takes on Sansa, she really made me change how I thought about her

@@hotchic4000 You ever check out Hills Alive? I made friends with her a little while back after watching some videos and she's really cool. if you got time take a look at her Jayne Poole video

@@randominternetguyoffical I think I've watched some of her videos, if shes who I'm thinking of she has a video about rhegar and lyanna that I liked, either way I'll have to look for the Jayne video

@@hotchic4000 I believe thats her video you're referring too. She helped me do a bit of the thought organizing on part 3 and then i got a lot of help in thoughts from her on Jayne. Cuz tbh I had kinda missed a few things that I now think are gonna be bigger factors, namely I think Jayne is gonna need to be part of a Sansa and littlefinger ending, I could be wrong but it really seems like thers too much connection and too much to say for it not to go to a place where all those characters meet for a final time..

That's certainly perplexing that Harrenhal has so much land attached to it... I want to just say, in universe incontinuity and or author error and be done with it but like maybe there is some rational reason why it would be left with large tracks of lands but like as one of the other commenters pointed out House Whent would have a hard time paying for tourneys. My thoughts might be along the line of maybe the area around Harrenhal while vast is under populated compared to other holdings and areas? Like maybe Lord Harroways town is the only major population hub it controls? Do we know what house holds Salt Pans?

@@randominternetguyoffical Salt Pans is controlled by house Cox according to awoiaf. Now while I thing it is author error that concerning the whole Harrenhal topic we can still try to make explantations. My guess would either be that Harrenhal was built as the seat of the King and as such would not be subject to taxes rather gaining some. This would explain why it, at first glance does not seem as beeing undesirable in financial aspects but is never the hoped grace. It would also explain why houses Harroway and Strong do quiet well if my assumption is correct that house Strong has other incomes as well. But to be clear this is just an assumption.

OH MY FUCKKNG GOD THANKS FOR THE SHOUTOUT!!! Also on another note, do you have any quick thoughts on the blackfire theory?Especially considering Illyrio’s “debts of affection to repay”

The best video I've seen on the Young Griff and Varys Black Fyre theory and surrounding is this one by Kevin Pendragon. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aCzOirBZtZg.html Check the series out and lemme know what you think, parts 2 and 3 go into the Blackfyre stuff.

@@randominternetguyoffical sorry for taking so long I’m currently in a much different time zone so I had to sleep. I have finished part 2 and about to start part 3. Here is just my review of part 2. Sorry I know it’s long. - [ ] Lies of arbor gold theory has little to no merit and is merely a coincidence - [ ] I agree with all of the phrophecy stuff on the numbers dragon. I think he does a very good job showcasing all of the different places it has come up. - [ ] Although the acknowledges the fact that Jon can’t be considered since his mother hasn’t been proven, he’s too quick to point towards R + L = J as cannon. Unpopular opinion but I’m a firm believer in N + A = J. I won’t argue it now but there’s good evidence for both sides. - [ ] Despite not being “real” evidence, I’m happy he lays out some of the historical references that may have influenced George when writing ASOIAF - [ ] I know I seem very critical from all that but I do agree with much of his evidence, and he acknowledges when there is tinfoil evidence that should still be considered. Excellent video. Starting part 3 now

Ok, so I just finished part 3, and I loved the video. I think he does a good job of laying out all the evidence, although I think he forgot to mention how Varys shaved his head to maybe conceal his Valyrian hair features. I like the point he made about how he was much more secure in Pentos than KL. Once again I’m happy that he’s quick to point out that much of the evidence is quite coincidental and that it’s not nearly as concrete as something like R+L=J because Jon was a literal baby that we see 9 months later. While I believe that Varys himself may be a blackfire, I find it hard to believe that Serra was by coincidence another lost blackfire and they bumped into each other again. You also have to consider what Varys was planning to do with the Dothraki and Danearys and viserys. Clearly he didn’t want the war of the 5 kings, but once it started what did he plan to do knowing that the Dothraki were coming across the sea??

@@aripeters2412 The Varys Illiryo Dany Dothraki plan has always been a cluster fuck, I think Preston makes some decent sense of it tho in a few of his videos. id have to go back to reference which ones, but hes had the thoughts I enjoy most on it.

Glad to have you along for the ride!

Who do we hear that detail from? It sounds familiar but I can't place it

To be fair, if anyone could pay the upkeep, it would be Tywin 😂

@@randominternetguyoffical finally a year later i found it - it's one of the pieces of gossip arya hears after she first starts working at harrenhal under wease (it's part of a sequence of things she overhears because people don't pay attention to her). i also think tyrion briefly thinks this, but haven't been able to refind this)

@karlmoll7584 ahh Wease! That makes sense I think I do recall this part now!

In previous episodes people have really brought up Harrenhal a lot and like many folks think that the castle itself is like is main objective. I don't see things that way, so I thought I'd have some cheeky fun with it XD Glad you got a kick out of it!

The Whent tournament point is an excellent one and i agree that its telling against Harrenhal being a place of mass profit of financial gain

Did anyone think little finger wasn’t a planner?

@@umwha he’s clearly a planner I don’t think that’s a shock, the note was more toward showing how mediocre he is as improviser. I do think many give him credit on that front and this video made note of how that’s not true.

Very happy you enjoyed it

Im very pleased you enjoyed the reading!

Thanks Goose! Good to see you again so soon and glad you enjoyed it!

@@randominternetguyoffical I’m not going anywhere, love the vids!!

I think that though the kids might not be Frey, like you say Tywin and team Lion know that they are legally considered highborn and true born and are able to stake a Lannister claim (legit or not) to great house holdings and a power base in the river. I think its part of his greater play to consolidate power. He had planned under Robert to make Jamie Warden of the West and to take Sweet Robin to teh Rock so i think he was lockin things down for a Lannister future prior to his death and Riverrun was a target. Least that's my thoughts.

@@randominternetguyoffical Of course, no one would question the legitimacy of these children... not even Emmon Frey. And yes, Tywin wanted to consolidate the power, just as you said. As for Harrenhal, well, Cersei had given it to Janos Slynt of people, so when later on Tyrion offered it to Littlefinger the proposal seemed legitimate. I mean, Slynt was nobody, even worse than nobody, he was a treacherous murderer. Compared to Slynt, LIttlefinger belongs to aristocracy. And I like how all the Lannisters always think of Littlefinger as some low born. Cersei remebers how she turned down his proposal to marry Sansa because he was too low born, Jamie, he is certainly the best when he muses how good would it be if Littlefinger were the new hand of the king because he isn't threat to anyone being so low born and likeable. And only Tyrion sees LIttlefinger for the real threat that he is. I like how Tyrion first lied to Littlefinger that he would give him Harrenhal, but afterwards dared to criticize Tyrion for doing this for real. And according to Tyrion, Littlefinger wanted Harrenhal for one and only one reason - it was obtaining Harrenhal that made his marriage to Lysa Arryn possible. Oh, and Littlefinger totally paid Ser Mandon Moore to kill Tyrion during Blackwater.

@@barbaraludwiczak4728 Moore was def in LF's pay, hard agree As for Tyrions thoughts, Tyrion is like always (maybe not always but mostly) wrong about his thoughts and assumptions so I think this is an example of a classic Tyrion mistake. LF could have just married Lysa, he both already noble and landed and more over as PJ infamously points out "she's a grown ass woman and can marry who she likes".. Harrenhal tho as a historic an prolific seat but also as a give away token fills the gap, for both the Lannisters and LF LF gets to have a seat in the Riverlands which makes him eligible for the paramountship, but its a ruin so he doesnt have to live there (or really do anything with it at all). The Lannisters get to give away a ruin rather than say Darry or Riverrun, while fulfilling their end of the bargain to make LF Paramount over the Trident (and any living Tullys). Its about the Paramountship imo, thats why LF asks to confirm he'd be ruling over the Riverlands and any living Tully's, its about punkin house Tully and then getting to be Paramount.

​@@randominternetguyoffical Yeah, and LF threw Lisa's grown ass out of the Moon Door. Tyrion might be wrong about many things, but he got LF right. Moreover, LF tried to get rid of Tyrion, like, thrice, as far as I remember. Once at Blackwater, and second time during "Purple Wedding". LF clearly wanted to kill Tyrion because Tyrion had lied to him - and, later on to free Sansa from her marriage. But, what puzzles me a bit, is the fact that LF blamed Tyrion for sending catspaw assasin. I mean, at that point of story, Tyrion did nothing wrong to LF (according to our knowledge).

@@barbaraludwiczak4728 He's a Lannister whos not in Kingslanding so he cant deny it, was kinda the angle ive heard. and it does make Tyrion a great patsy so I tend to go with that line of thought.

So at this point I think that there's not enough evidence to tie him to Bravos is any real way. Like yes he negotiated with the Iron Bank... but his fam wasn't like crazy rich or like powerful in Bravos and he doesn't overtly do anything, that I'd consider to be super "Bravossi". Like hes not a water dancer, not in contact with or a worshiper of the house of black and white, hes not a sailor, he not a fromer bravo... like he's not really very "Bravossi" He was raised in Riverun and on the Fingers and then basically as an adult hit up Gultown and Kingslanding, so like yeah he's had contact with Bravos but again idk if he;s like so in touch with the Bravossi or Iron Bank leadership that they would A, want to work with him, B know of him well enough to formulate an option.. or like C even view him as a viable option to work through or with since he's a low level lord and just a random agent of the crown and not in debt to them or tied to a potential political faction that could take over rulership. So I lean towards, him just have proximity to Bravoss in heritage and his vocation being that of master of coin, but him not being otherwise majorly attached to or associated with the iron bank or the Bravossi leadership.

Should be cropping up soon hopefully XD

@@randominternetguyoffical 🤘🏻

Glad you've enjoyed the vids! I like to share the ideas and such, its always a lot of fun to speculate on and debate asoiaf.

Im really glad you enjoy hearing all the Littlefinger talk! Every time I thought I was finished talking about him I realized there was something more to say and so the series got a lot longer than I thought it would lol There will even still be a few more installments I realized and then like I'm sure more will pop up when Winds comes out.

Gonna try to talk about about it in part 5 (hopefully) but I think the potential hostage taking aids LF's return to the fold of the kingdom post then end of Winter and the Wars. He shows up with grain, coin and heirs in hand and smooths over whatever bumps are left and solidifies himself a nice holding and retirement )or at least thats how I see the master plan on paper, reality is gonna be much different)

@@randominternetguyoffical wait - retirement???? i could not picture LF deciding to retire. outsmarting everyone else in The Game is just too addictive a pass-time to stop.

@@Mj_Jetson Maybe retire is the wrong word but, in theory at least he would have fucked over all the folks he needed to and secured himself a power marriage and titles. Like I think in his mind he has this view that if he can just F over everyone he needs to and swoop on a few things that he needs he'll like have "won". Which is basically what ill call the Bunnish trap. As Peter in Unsound Variations points out Bunnish will never get waht he wants out of his revenge plots, revenge doesn't really have teh power to fullfil whats eat at Bunnish, its never enough. But of course Bunnish and Littlefinger in imo don't think thats true, they think they can win, they don't realize that the revenge itself is an "Unsound Variation" and so Bunny kills his present body and time warps over and over and Littlefinger goes into his own mind and time travels in his memories over and over and they play out their scheme assming that the end game is a win that will like make things better (for lack of better words) but such an end doesnt exist. Or you know something of that nature

I'm not really sold on a Barvossi invasion, but the debt scheme is much better covered n his video and he noticed some really subtle stuff that appears to be part of it like the 3 ships.

@@randominternetguyoffical If not for the Braavosi invasion then why put the Vale houses in the Bite in debt? Is it part of his grain plot? How does he plan to control the Vale? He's going to have to get rid of Harry the Heir eventually. Preston also claims Sweetrobin has greenseer powers and will use them to kill Harry after he rapes Sansa. Since Sweetrobin is likely to be Petyr's son, are we seeing a father-son clash over the same woman? The questions just keep piling up?

@Gany Kaliya I believe that fundamentally he's indebeting houses so he can A) wrap them up in the grain/food scheme, or B) so he has something they need and thus isn't someone they could just do away with... I think LF never inteneded to kill Lysa and thus would have had her on his side as well as the powers of debt and food over the Vale and to a greater extension over much of Westeros.. But now that he has Sansa and he has killed Lysa things are kinda in limbo and hes struggling to keep the pot from boiling over before winter hits and all that grain and debt planing can come home to roost and give him a goo stranglehold on power. As for Sweetrobin... im unconvinced hes a greenseer, not that he might not have powers but they are untrained and no fully manifested if they do exist so idk if he could even use them to seriosuly harm someone. Im also unconvinced that Sansa will be raped, GRRM said that the rape in teh show was not from his notes and that LF is obsessed with her and would not put her in danger of that sort (I was gonna talk about this int he video and show the quote but I forgot lol) but essentially I could see Harry making a bad play and being caught in a LF trap (?) or maybe Harry making a well intentioned play and being snagged in a LF trap (?)maybe he does the same thing he did with Sansa and Lysa on accident but this time with Sweeety Robin and Harry intentionally? Getting Sweetrobin to go after Harry and pretending he had nothing to do with the whole thing... Like you say lots and lots of potentials there and yes there certainly is room for a Father and Illiginmate Son battling over the same woman thing going on there. Given the Puppetman murdering his own kid cuz he saw it as a threat thing I think that LF kinslaying his son, like how Hoster kinslayed LF's unborn kid is a possibility on the table too.. So much to think on lol, Wheels within wheels, to quote the late Ned Stark (another random thought... The Mad Mouse defends Harry in a trial by combat against Sweet Robins champion 0_0 .... lol)

Glad you enjoy the videos! I should have another one up after the weekend that ties into Littlefinger as welll

@@randominternetguyoffical Fantastic!

I don't know if I'm a worthy successor of the Tinfoil Crown.. But I'll take it! With Fire and Blood if need be XD XD XD

Your blood sacrifice to trees of the Tube will not go unnoticed

Hot damn! Thats a fun crossover 😳 I've never actually read the boy's comic myself 🤔

@@randominternetguyoffical I'm not sure if I should recommend it or not lol. IMO it is far from as big of a shitshow as the hater say, but also not the masterful satire the fanboys refer to it as. It deals with some heavy themes in interesting ways, but it leaves a lot to be desired in terms of pacing, comedy, character writing and overall execution. The only truly great thing about it is the ending. Made a pretty crappy video on my old channel where I talk about it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-g11ZyPtcsgI.html EDIT: Though I guess compound V fills a similar role in the Boys universe as the Wild Cards Virus lol.

I got turned on to george r r martin's older stuff when preston did his thousand world series way back in the day. A lot of those old books are really good too like definitely worth reading

I believe it is supposed to more or less be that. Its very much in the super hero comic vein. I have yet to actually read it but its on the list.

Littlefinger reveals to sansa afterwards that all of that scene is staged. Corbrey is actually in his pocket hes miming out what they planned. He had been working with several of the lords of the Vale. Previously, so many of the players of the room were actually in his pocket as well or he had accounted for them. So I think that would be an example of far from it being a seemingly chaotic scene. It's actually a highly controlled and well manipulated scene. He's much less an agent of chaos and much more in agent of calculation and planning.

Oh yikes! I had no idea it was doing that. Ill get it sorted momentarily

I really respect her stuff even on points where I think different. In general I find her to be very refreshing and well offering in perspectives that make me think in ways that I hadn't before. Of the newer ASOIAF youtubers I've gotten into her and Kevin Pendragon stand out to me a lot.

I think with YTers the sign of quality is you can 90%+ ‘see how they got there’, some might assume Bran is a secret Targ or something, but as long as they disclose their axioms and take me for an interesting theory ride I’m happy.

I will say him dying from a random accident that no one sees coming would be kind of interesting kind of anticlimactic , but like maybe in a good way?

It is said to be beyond upkeep essentially, which kinda makes sense in that it was built by a king who has the recourses of an enslaved force and a massive kingdom to work with. The thing also would require basically being torn down before it could be fully refurbished both of which are outside of Littlefingers means likely. Im not really sure he could ever profit greatly from it.

@@randominternetguyoffical I can agree with that reasoning I do think it's possible to make it profitable but the amount of time and resources needed would be absurd. Something little finger surely wouldn't want to do. It's funny cause I agree that littlefinger won't get Harrenhall or go for it at all he wants more than that but my boy is a king at rubbing pennies and I refuse to believe he couldn't do it if he wanted 😂

Yeah, I think people put a little bit. More stock into that castle than there actually is. Like I think some important stuff may happen there but I don't think he knows that necessarily.

I would think that the fact that Edmure while being a hostage won't really inherit anything as far as I am concerned is enough in LF eyes

I would agree, I think Edmure being robbed of the home and titles that he bragged about so much when he was dunking on LF is the revenge that LF was seeking for him. I dont think LF has a death in mind, just a hard life as nobody in Edmures future. Kind of a happy and somewhat guaranteed side effect of the overall plan. Tho if Edmure had died in the war I think LF would have laughed and gloated a bit.

@@randominternetguyofficalWhat about Catelyn? You pretty much debunked the entire myth that LF was madly in love with her after all this time. Did he plan on doing anything to her? Because I don't think that killing Eddard Stark was a move against Cat directly

@@piotrx6833 So i'll try to go into some detail about that in the next video but yes I agree that I dont think killing Ned was to hurt Cat as much as it was to get a petty revenge on a existing Stark (basically using Ned as a stand in for Brandon) The fact that LF does not ever attempt to kidnap Cat and seems to not care if he hurts her by killing Bran and Ned to me point to the idea that LF had the same kind of "love" for Cat that Puppetman had for Andrea Whittman, that is to say a twisted obsession that I believe hadn't fully matured during his teen years. after the duel I feel the obsession hardened to blame and potentially hate. (hence him using her as part of his plot to seemingly destroy her family both Tully and Stark) Flash foreword to the now and I think hes transposed this wrapped and matured "love/obsession" on to Sansa . The while experiance has very clearly warpped his mind and GRRM states that LF himself switches through modes of viewing her in his own thoughts. (Thers a quote im gonn try to fit in next video about it) Tl;DR yes we have been misreading the LF x Cat "love" and that it lasted or stayed "loving" and hes transfered much of the past obsession onto his new "love" target Sansa... more or less I dont think LF planned to have Cat killed tho, but rather would have left her to her ruined fate, which he probably saw as fitting, like "thrown in with wolves and I'll leave you to em after I ruin you!" kind of thing. Damn, we really need a Littlefinger POV...

@@randominternetguyoffical Wouldn't an LF poverty be like a horror chapter? I mean, seeing that Petyr is responsible for the biggest clusterfuck in Westeros since the Dance of dragons I wouldn't be surprised I he was a bit more messed up I his than even cersei. Don't get me wrong the guy is a mastermind but like his predecessors in different books written by George he can't be described as mentaly stable.

Personally I think that uch of the Frey Civl war shenaegans will happen off screen and or in the appendices. I think Preston is def picking up on the transforming politics I just dont see those poltiics coming to the forefront of most if any of the plots but rather the progression of the fallout of House Frey being a background thing for the close reader... ut idk House Frey is very important to the story so we may get a much larger impact of all the Frey fallout.

@@randominternetguyoffical so i agree its probably the smarter move to sit by and extort the riverlands over the food situation, especially if you're aware (as LF is) of the larger things at play. but the narrative requires the vale to go to war eventually, and grrm gave the freys very high in succession a ton of vale-connections - this surely amounts to a Chekhov's gun. current official Frey succession (assuming standard Westerosi succesion rules) is: Edwyn, married to vale lady Janyce Hunter Walda, daughter of vale lady Janyce Hunter Black Walder Perra Frey, daughter of vale lady Mylenda Caron Walton, married to vale Lady Daena Hardyng Walton's 3 half-Hardyng kids

I think theres some confusion (or Im confused lol) 🤔 I have something in the works with Hills Alive and they did a ramblings with me on hotd thats not up yet. But the cameo here was Jessie Bear Book Club 📖 Is that what you meant? Or am I lost 😂

@@randominternetguyoffical I for some reason wrote instead of this thod lel I mean that If I am not mistaken Hills alive name is Ari Peters

@@Kai555100 I'd be surprised if Ari was Hills... That would be a Jaqen Hagar feat of face changing XD I did run into Ari Peters on Hill's channel tho, maybe that's what you're thinking of 🤔

@@randominternetguyoffical ohooooo yeah that makes sense

@@Kai555100 Im legit gonna ask Hills if they're secretly Ari XD Gonna get to the bottom of this faceless mystery! Im 99% convinced that Ari is really that baby in the pfp tho.. just with like a Dr. Doom brain 🧠 He's plotting the end of the world from his electro-crib deep in some forgotten missle silo somewhere.. taking breaks to watch weird Littlefinger videos.. Thats my head cannon 😂

Hmmm, I imagine that it would require some unfeasible or highly impractical demolition of the towers... Like I'm not a construction guy but you're essentially dealing with a lot of concreate (fused stone) on top of traditional stone and mortar works.. and like that just sound like a b*tch to demolish pre the invention of the steel framed industrial crane.. And even if somehow they figured out how to topple or pull apart one or more towers without serious damage to the rest of the castle, they're left with essentially having to construct a new castle per tower from how big its said to be. Like idk if anyone has that kinda money but more importantly man power and stone quarry access along with means of transporting stones at their finger tips. (?) like as i recall Harren built it at the height of his power using forced labor and the combine power of his entire kingdom (?) Idk that any single lord or even a warden could summon the power to essentially redo most of the project. Thas kinda my thoughts on it

@@randominternetguyoffical so basically anyone who is gifted harrenhal is just given ruins lol, I hope to godthey at least try to reconstruct a few things, like the wants had I think 3 generations of people living in it, I’m sure they tried something, also speaking of, did you know Oswald Whents brother (Llrd Whent) had 5 SONS! Wtf happened to those dudes?

@@billychops1280 5 sons?? Thats wild as hell! I thought the Whents were kinda a baren family as the book says the current lady Whent is like the last Whent or at least I thought so

@@randominternetguyoffical if you look them up in the ASOIAF Wiki it says 5 sons, and I think it’s just the woman of that family, also where are those sons, if Oswald was friends with Rhaegar and Arthur it means he was at most in his early 30’s so why happened to his 5 nephews ? There’s no way they all died in the rebellion

@@billychops1280 This might require a video or at least mentioning in a video 🤔 Where are the Whents?!?

They also seem to note that the incomes can not offset the upkeep. Which kind of makes it a money pit, in my opinion. I'm glad you enjoyed the video in any case!

Lmao, you are correct 🤣 I am a rambler, it comes from not writing them out I think, but also I noticed that folks tend to ask a bit of questions so I try to leave some of the ramblings to flush out the discussion (I guess you could say) I may do a final cut version where I edit the series down to a 30 or 40 min video.. undecided as of yet

I'd certainly take a look at Piers Gaveston and the Great Gatsby! (haven't read that in like 2 decades lol) I have plans to do more Littlefinger inspiration series stuff so I can work these in down the line. I got caught up in doin the economics and politics one so once I'm done with that one I'll be back on track XD

Just roping the Eyrie and the base of the Eyrie where he intends to stay (and is currently staying) Sometimes when you're talking about a big topic little details go by the wayside you know? Figure most people get whats being said tho.

I had the same thought XD I wonder like if its a stab at liberals is the US or if it was just like an goofy coincidence that the author didn't intend lol

@@randominternetguyoffical Given what I know or believe to know about GRRM's political views, I do find it a bit strange to find a character like this in a work associated with him, tbh.

@@tarvoc746 Thats why I wonder if its a unintentional portrayal (?) But.. you know older American dude who writes comics... I mean I think its safe to assume it could be his legit albeit dumb commentary lol From what I also believe GRRM's politics to be I feel like he'd tolerate that kinda "fox news uncle" view point from long time nerd friends.. The sort of liberal "thats just Bill" approach to another writer proliferating conservative fictions