Bachmann Trains have made many options for their Thomas line, but this video goes over what they WON'T make and why. Music owned by Nintendo Thumbnail by @gingeronrails This video is for older fans of the show.
Yeah seriously who even knows or remembers beau? Of all the BWBA characters why didn't they also do nia since rebecca was already approved? Personally I don't care for any BWBA stuff since that's what killed thomas to begin but it would have made more sense to just make nia alongside rebecca since she is relevant.
One character I'd like to see at some point is hiro. He's one of the few CGI characters that fans old and new both like and would be a gateway for bachmann to gain Japanese customers and even the first Japanese locomotive class to be made by an American model train company. I'm very surprised they never made hiro yet, especially since it's been fifteen years since hero of the rails came out.
As much as I would love for Diesel 10 to be made, I wholeheartedly understand that even if they did not only would it be too costly depending on detail Bachmann had to endue, but also we had to consider about how the claw would've worked, especially given the Real Lives of Thomas page's trivial details of adding an illegal modification that would be too large under loading gauge.
bachmann also wanted to bring boco and duke but mattel also denied it, duke was gonna appear in kevin the steamie but he was cut, in 2015 sam wilkinson wanted to bring duke and boco back it didn't happen, andrew brenner also wanted to bring boco back to cgi but mattel denied it
What Mattel denied Boco and duke in bachmann and the cgi series what the hell this is why toy companies should stick to making toys instead of making tv show they ain’t that good at it
Bachmann never considered choosing BoCo, when manufacturing Diesel and The Scottish Twins in 2010, before they were released in 2011 from the fans theories. Duke wouldn't even happen, after the six of the SKR fleet are made past the 2010s.
Honestly, they don’t even really need to do Stepney with a Thomas face to release him! They could just do a model of the real-life Stepney and us fans could add the faces at our leisure. Never mind what Mattel says, they’d just need to ask permission from the Bluebell Line instead.
Somehow I had a sinking feeling Bachmann wouldn't be making models of Stepney and Diesel 10 anytime soon. But at least their reasoning is justified. Personally, I'd like to see them come out with HO Scale models of Hiro, Stephen, Winston, and Harvey. Though then again, Harvey would be another character that's unlikely to get its own model. But one can dream.
Diesel 10: I knew pinchy will have an issue but Tbh, people made customs of D10 where he can fit through tunnels. Stepney: Not a chance Flying Scottsman: talk to Hornby
If we were given the opportunity by both Mattel and Hit. We could’ve had Bachmann produce characters like Diesel 10 and Lady in around 2003, Murdoch in 2004, Harvey in 2006, Molly and Neville in 2008, Whiff in 2012, Stepney as a limited edition in 2015, maybe City Of Truro with a face in 2020, heck we could’ve gotten a model of Sidney last year in 2022. Also if characters like Duke or Derek came back in CGI, we would’ve definitely seen Bachmann make models of them.
@@islesofforeignrails7917 we could’ve also seen characters we did get eventually come out earlier like Mavis in 2003, Toby in 2004 and Edward in 2005 to coincide the 60th anniversary of the railway series.
Knowing that after what Doug said recently means that Diesel 10 is likely now. He's not happening like right away but he has a likely chance same for Harvey.
I mean, technically, it wouldn't take much to make a Bachmann Smudger or Splatter and Dodge, all you need is some paint and a spare Rheneas and a couple of spare Diesels.
Older fans could always show younger fans the original model Thomas series, those were the best and show them these characters and how great they were maybe that could help get their interest on these original great characters and make them into bachmann, and also characters like stepney, duke and boco are relevant and many other model characters like molly, Neville, mighty Mac, Murdoch Arthur and Harvey would all be great additions, hopefully all these characters and the other model series characters will make it as bachmann someday
Not like it will convince Mattel to let them make Stepney. Mattel sees the older fans as the minority and is more interested in marketing recent characters than those who haven’t appeared in over a decade.
@@joshuaW5621 that’s their problem they will only do recent ones now instead of giving originals a comeback, the kids will never know or understand how good we all had good characters back then from Thomas
Bandai diesel 10 model is just amazing and closely accurate of his claw yeah I guess we just have to accept the fact but in past model trains can be built from plastic mold kits rolling stocks maybe it might work but only third party company would dare to do that
I can understand this because honestly, I don’t like Bachmann’s line in terms of what gets produced as of now, and I just don’t think Stepney maybe be possible anymore. Same with BoCo. Diesel 10, definitely not, it’s impossible. But yeah, it’s like anything we fans do, we do better, including with custom models.
Lady wouldn't be too difficult to make, I'm sure she wouldn't be too expensive to purchase. I hope Bachmann will make Lady, I'd love to have her in my collection.
I don’t know if Lady is possible. If any non-cgi characters are possible, I think Hector is the most likely one seeing as Bachmann is still making rolling stock from the model series, including the spiteful brakevan, so who knows.
@@joshuaW5621 If Bachmann can make characters like Oliver and Stepney, which they have done, I'm sure they can add Lady to the list. Anything is possible, never say never.
@@joshuaW5621 Ever heard of the words stop being negative? My point is Bachmann have made Daisy the Diesel Railcar, Devious Diesel, Bill & Ben, and Ryan the newest character to come out on sale. If they can do that, then give me one good reason why they wouldn't consider making Lady the Lost Engine for a reasonable price. Stop being a Doubting Thomas. With Bachmann, anything is possible, never say never.
@@kellyashfordtrains2642 I’m not being negative, I’m just being realistic. If you watch this video you’ll understand. Mattel isn’t letting Bachmann make engines who haven’t been in cgi. Why would they make Lady? Also what do these characters have to do with this? They were made because they were already in cgi (although in Bill and Ben’s case, absent characters were still getting merchandise at the time they were made). How is Lady different from a character like Daisy or Diesel?
I totally understand why Bachmann is not making old characters from Thomas, as much as we would want to see ones like Stepney or Molly being made their unfortunately not relevant due to them never being brought back to the CGI Series. Even for characters who do appear in CGI like Harvey or Rocky, they can’t make them due to their perplex fictional crane arm. On the bright side I’m happy that my wishlist for Ryan and Stanley came to be, now I’m really hoping they would make Sidney next.
Pointing to the NMRA standards as the reason why Diesel 10 can't happen is utterly laughable, for multiple reasons. 1. The Bachmann Thomas range is not and has *never* been concerned with the NMRA standards. Why would it be? It's British OO, a scale outside the NMRA's bailiwick. The only standards it's concerned with are toy safety standards and UK model coupling height standards. 2. The NMRA standards are merely the rules of a club anyway (a nationwide club, but still), not legally-binding regulations or anything like that. 3. On top of all that, Pinchy is frankly no more of a clearance hassle than an electric loco's pantograph or - looking at American stuff - the second level of containers on a stacktrain.
Well, Doug debunked the Diesel 10 not happening myth in the recent Thomas Tuesday stream saying Bachmann has gotten away with non NMRA compliant Thomas products in the past.
Another reason for scott and Stepney not being made is the licencesing. Both being real engines therefore have real owners that need to grant permission for them to be used
I thought it was just the brake museum coach that wasn't canon. Wasn't Toby pulling a singular museum coach in the episode where he thought he was going to be put in the museum?
3:23 Actually, I'm strangely fascinated with the chunky Flying Scotsman from the show and kind of want to convert a Bachmann Gordon into one someday. Maybe it's the blocky Corridor tenders, or maybe I just find it funny that the show's Flying Scotsman looks like a Reginald Dalby illustration because the show's version of Gordon, his brother, is closer to Reginald Payne's and Reginald Dalby's illustrations than to the prototype. I guess I find the CGI series Flying Scotsman whimsical because it's a callback to the days of Reginald Dalby illustrations, when the artist settled for "close enough" or simply rendered a character as (Enter Awdry left stage, waving book) "A green caterpillar with red stripes" (Exeunt Dalby right stage).
They should’ve brought Stepney back! He might not be as grand as Flying Scotsman, but he is another character that could lead children to learning about real life preserved railways as he is a real life engine from the Bluebell Railway and visited Sodor
@@greatwestern57 On TrainWorld’s Thomas Tuesday stream The Reveal Of Bachmann Stanley & Painted Figures at the 1:39:52 mark. Doug said Bachmann has gotten away with non NMRA compliant Thomas products before, which opens the door for Diesel 10 and Harvey in the future. The problem is the cost to make an operational claw for Diesel 10 and crane for Harvey.
I think the minority of people know this, but there only making CGI Characters, ones like the Spiteful Brakevan were just obes that slipped through. But maybe they will make big exceptions for ones like BoCo, or as you said Stepney. But that's all you said in this one as well
Honestly, I could see Bachmann making obscure CGI characters like Charlie and Samson, like they are hated characters, but like they said with Rebecca and like you said, they are making CGI Characters
Fun fact originally there was going be to a live action actor who was as going to be the main villain of movie Diesel 10 next to conductor there few clips online
3:51 man, that's too real. I've been wanted to put together a collection of Hornby terriers with the new tooling and it's been impossible to get a Stepney (or really any terrier in Improved engine green)
Naw but think about it, if they made the spiteful brakevan a character in my opinion who probably didn't have that much of a reason to be made don't you think they would make atleast stepney or neville?
Spiteful Brakevan was just taking an existing model, repainting it and adding a new face, same with Scruffy, while Stepney and Neville would require new toolings altogether
With pinchy diesel 10 too tall To fit under tunnels Hornby Toby: Too big to fit under tunnels and sheds And yet they have an updated him Even before the range was canceled
Doug Blaine just opened up the possibility of Diesel 10 in the recent Thomas Tuesday stream. It won’t happen right away because of high costs to make the claw.
Another reason why Bachmann won't make a Flying Scotsman is because Hornby makes Flying Scotsman models and trix also makes an expensive Flying Scotsman model
I doubt Bachmann would shrink their Standard 4 to HO scale just for a single mid-to-low popularity character, but I wouldn’t complain if they did. Belle could’ve been a decent character, maybe a mainline tank engine, but she was a victim of the Miller era and being tethered to the SSRC and Flynn most of the time she appears.
With what’s been said on the recent Thomas Tuesday stream, we might actually get Diesel 10 and Harvey after all. We’ll just have to wait until they’re announced.
Bachmann is one of the only high-quality Thomas merchandise lines left because Bachmann cares more about Thomas than Mattel does right now. Why do you think that the only new model released for the Wooden Railway line in 2023 was the Day Out With Thomas model? If I were running the Thomas Wooden Railway line, I would have had new models of characters like Duck, Donald, Douglas, Oliver and Toad released in early 2023 because I know they're what the fans want and what will sell. It makes me wish that another company, like Orbrium were able to acquire the Thomas license from Mattel.
THaNK YOU! I have heard that Bachmann is the only good Thomas Merchandise left, and they do well, wish Mattel would just give Bachmann rights to make many character
I’ve been thinking of printing in a terrier to put on a Bachman Thomas model I just need to take some measurements of a Hornby Stepney, and luckily I have a Hornby Stepney
I just realized once bulgy is released we’ll have all the characters introduced season 3(not counting city of truro and flying Scotsman) this would make season 3 the second series where all of it’s introduced characters were made in bachmann with the first being season 1
This also means that BoCo will be the only character from the first 3 seasons who isn’t in Bachmann, although we know why they won’t make him for the time being, as well as the fact that none of the Magic Railroad characters will be made in Bachmann.
Never say never my friends, we got freaking Stanley and Duncan! Plus who knows, what if Mattel with chill out with their high standards and just hire good people who will write good stories for the franchise and bring back fan favorites from the model series… like Stepney… 😏
I feel like Diesel 10 might have a chance. Idk if Bachmann will do this but I think Diesel 10 Would go great with a Pinchy that can be removed and can also be put on with a tool that help hold it. Also I’m pretty sure what Mattel is saying is just nonsense. Most of the people that buy them are people that have been fans of the show for so long and using characters irrelevant is useless. I’m sure children that grow up with Thomas would have most likely read the books as well which would ALSO make them know a bit about Stepney
Ah we all dream. Would love me a Scotsman, or updated versions of even the main 8 CGI engines. Smudger would rock too (I'm a sucker for green engines, huh?), but if Mattel's rules are CGI only, we aren't ever getting some cooler engines. Odd that they allow any era of rolling stock though? Look at Toby's branchline coaches, or some of the era specific freight wagons. Overall sad, but a very good video!
@@growlie2676 the big engines (henry, spencer, rebecca, gordon) are already expensive enough, meaning they get even less sales. To produce an engine thats even bigger would not only require loads of expensive new toolings to make the new engine, but would cost even more for the consumer. Only the most dedicated fans would purchase it, given it would likely be $150-$200.
unrelated to the bachmann debate but just a contructive critisism. Music was too loud on this one compared to your voice, it made understanding some parts a bit tough, other than that awesome video homie
Someone needs to buy mattel out. They should balance it. 1 new character 1 older character 1 off rail character 1 narrow gauge character 1 building 1/2 standard gauge rolling stock models dependinf if its a coach type 1 Narrow Guage rolling stock model That would be ideal to see. Beau is completely irrelevant
It’s a pity that Bachmann can’t make these characters. But if you’re a hardcore railway modeller like myself, you can make customs of them. And as rare as Hornby Stepney or Murdoch are, they are pretty accurate in design.
I was fortunate to get Stepney when he was still being released for £35 second hand, but Murdoch seems to average around £2k on eBay thanks to 3 factors: 1: Only produced for one year before Hornby canned the range 2: Had already been out of the series for 9-10 years, so didn’t sell well 3: Filthy scalpers
@@christophergarland7936 well then again characters such as Daisy, BoCo and Duke were still appearing in merchandise in the 2000s despite not being in the show at the time (with the exception of Daisy having a non-speaking role in Calling All Engines), so I guess it’s not really that far fetched for Hornby to make Murdoch in 2011. No need to worry about making a mistake. It happens.
@@joshuaW5621 You’re not wrong about characters getting merchandise far after their time, I mean CULDEE was still getting merch in 2014, 50 years after his only appearance.
Josh here, just wondering if it's possible to see a Bachmann model of my personal favorite character Hiro. Hiro is a character many are familiar with and I personally would like to see a model of Hiro.
Diesel 10 can be made by modifying a Bachman war ship class if it exists but the standards limit possibilities of practically upgrading a model that was made a decade or more ago so relevance makes sense but Height is the most obvious one and a flying Scotsman model isn't needed as they technically have already a model of the actual engine as all you would need to do is just do some research to have a design for the face that can fit the model then make the face and put it on as it doesn't seem hard besides the price being equivalent to stunning your toe on the metal pole keeping your bed up on the frame but besides that some of these or all of these issues come with quick solutions so people shouldn't be asking Bachman for certain models if they can easily modify a model to their desire and not make Bachman put effort into models of characters that can be made custom or what but new versions of the thomas cast which their models were made years ago can definitely be a upgrade but the models that they have will have to do but hornby made decent models being more realistic to their real life counterparts so some of these issues started without people not seeing the solution to w problem that didnt need to happen so really no models have to be made from those hold characters as they should be asking hornby for stuff like that as they made realistic models as Bachman put in the effort and they did good so noting needs to be solved when the problem really never existed.....
They couldn’t just modify an existing Warship because it’s OO scale. The Thomas range, thanks to its US origins, is in HO scale, which is slightly smaller. If they modified an OO warship, D10 would be even more out of gauge.
I'm curious what's going to happen with Rebecca and Beau. I'm not saying we should we should boycott these two, but I am curious if their sales are going to hurt because they're expensive large characters that most older fans don't like (I personally have only collected RWS only characters, so don't plan on getting them). Yeah, this is a kids' franchise, but I imagine most of Bachmann's T&F customers are in their 20's and 30's. These models aren't cheap. If their sales do poor, maybe Bachmann does try out a Stepney, and if he does well, become more open to older characters fans want (BoCo, Duke, etc.). I think the next few years are going to be VERY interesting for the HO range.
@@joshuaW5621 Whoops, don't know why I typed that twice. Basically, I'm not advocating that older fans boycott Rebecca and Beau, unpopular CGI only characters. But I am curious if their sales do poorly, if Bachmann and Mattel would consider older characters, like the much demanded Stepney.
I have some ideas, if stepney (thomas) can't be made the real life can be and it can be easier so for us to have a thomas version, diesel 10 can't be made because of the arm and claw but, what if the arm was part of the roof instead of on top and the claw was lowered just like the wooden railway version. that might not sound like diesel 10 but toby has a bad bell, holes in his cowcatchers and it is better than no diesel 10.
Doug has said on the recent Thomas Tuesday stream that Bachmann has gotten away with non NMRA compliant Thomas products in the past. In other words, Diesel 10 is still a possibility along with Harvey. It won’t happen right away because of high costs for Diesel 10’s claw and Harvey’s crane.
Well since we never see Diesel 10 without Pinchy in the show, I doubt they would do that. And besides, it would probably still be tricky to accommodate the roof and to include the claw without affecting the motor.
I can understand that mentality but think about it? Who are the ones buying these thomas models? It aint kids cause let's be honest look at the prices, the only people really buying these are the older fans who have an disposable income
Fortunately like Stepney and Murdoch, she’s in Hornby too, although given the fact that rolling stock isn’t really affected by the model series ban, it’s possible that Bachmann could make her if they decided to.
