Charlie Ward analyzes Austin Rivers' NBA vs. NFL debate | Dan Patrick Show | NBC Sports 

Very underrated

I agree

Exactly

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Right?!? Heisman?!? 1st Round Pick in Basketball?1? Get you some Charlie!!

Shannon sharpe did

As far as success?maybe but Tony Gonzalez is right there

Jimmy Graham. Played 4 years of college hoop and 1 year of college football. Played over 10 years, made 5 pro bowls, lead league in receiving Tds one year.

Allen Iverson was the best in state in football too.

Antonio Gates can

Don't forget about HOFmer Julius Peppers...

I believe most if not all wanted to draft him as another position. They said if he wanted to play qb, he would be drafted in late rounds....90s was still bias to black qbs....better now

#1 overall

Not as a QB, they were still being racist against black qbs in the 90s

​@Josh_H there still racist now, black qbs are just becoming the norm so they don't have the amount of white by choices they used to have

The whole reason he went to the NBA was because of where he was projected to be drafted

Exactly

How can you forget Warrick Dunn how was the RB on the same team as Charlie.

Do you know why the documentary Was somewhat disrespectful?

@@JazJaz-su6nb I am confused. It seemed to be respectful. Did I miss something?

Yall like quiet people of color.

@@topdad-dawg834 I am a man of "color". I disagree and resent the dog whistle. Have a good day though.

I saw Ward play against my Yellow Jackets on a Super Bowl weekend. It was a good game and it came down to the last possession Ward beat Travis Best off the dribble to score the winning point. To this day, my main memory is of Spike Lee celebrating with him and thinking, "Spike Lee is in the house!"

You're right He isn't mentioned enough

You Forgot They Won The National Championship Along With His Heisman.

@@55cleon That's what #1 means. But then, there were two polls. Probably finished #1 in both.

@@xxphactorI was at NC State during same time period. Charlie was way ahead of his time, huh? He’d flourish in today’s NFL.

Randy Moss, remember Peter Warwick? How about Scott Frost, Tommie Frazier, Tim Tebow, or Cam Newton.

@@therealmikebrown good ones. Imma say Byron Leftwich too. Don't laugh but that game where he got carried plus how likable he was woulda got him all the wholesome endorsers

@@alifrombenhill3374 I know its not football, but think of all the money the Fab Five would have made. They might have stayed for 4 years. Or Shaq?

@@therealmikebrown bro it can be any sport. Thanks for the convo

Don’t forget Warrick…

He is a great man ❤I remember meeting him in South Bend

That's false. They didn't think he could be a starting QB because of his size and average arm strength. NBA money was better than backup QB money and a lot safer to earn. Can't say it was racism when there were black QBs in the NFL at the time. There were black QBs drafted high in the 1st round around the same time Charlie came out of FSU

Why you gotta say stupid things

Coach an NBA team and blow a 3-1 lead?

He can say my dad!

You missed the point . It's harder to be an NBA player than NFL . it's not close

Still, it's an entirely different set of preparation and conditioning. NBA players could never take the physical abuse play after play and sustain any kind of career. Their knees, hips, shoulders, back, etc would become permanently damaged in short order.

@@tacotom3492 You are missing the point. It's much easier to be an NBA player, especially if you're really tall. Regardless of skills, you're automatically given consideration. There are guys on playgrounds right now who are better than some NBA players. If you're a hooper, you know it's true. Football, like baseball, is not a pickup sport. No way to simulate a football game in the real world, unlike high-level competitive basketball that's played in every gym in the world. High-level football is different however, baseball is by far the hardest. NBA is tough but come on.

@@zerostozeros lose money to get cte in football. If you can go pro in any of the three sports you mentioned, why would you choose football?

@@ThatGotDaymBoogie that's completely irrelevant to the topic.

A NY sportswriter said that the best quarterback in NY was with the Knicks.

Easily? 😂

Any draft n history

Those guys are not running routes... It's more to WR than just running and catching

@@marrioburnett9625 How many NFL players could dribble a basketball.

They tried to shun Lamar Jackson! He just persisted and refused to be denied!

I don’t know how I forgot about him. Lol

russel maryland, dan wilkinson, kijana carter, orlando pace and keyshawn johnson were all black. Do you actually think before speaking or just don't know football in the slightest? Also, how was the nfl racist when all these #1 picks for 7 years were black? And the year charlie ward was drafted in the nba, oh go figure dan wilkinson was the #1 pick so yeah the racist nfl selected yet another black as the 1st pick... Bait somewhere else

@@macaltime2 NFL was very racist.

@@pglanville yeah sure, bet you also believe America is racist lol

@@macaltime2bruh he’s talking about quarterbacks only. The good ole boy owners didn’t think black players had the mental capacity to play NFL qb. Of course that’s not true. Still they wanted to convert Charlie and other black qb’s to other positions. But fortunately for Charlie he had other options. And the thing is he was a better football player than basketball player.

​@@macaltime2It wasn't even a race-baiting comment. You clearly didn't understand the context of the original post, nor did you even attempt to.

But he really didn’t say much of anything though. It’s like this was his first interview in decades.

He didn't decide the NFL didn't want th3 type of qb he was so he played basketball. He was just a player in the league

Their ragging on Austin Rivers but finding an Antonio Gates is more likely than finding a college Football player who makes to the NBA (without playing). … The most telling point is that: Moss, Charlie Ward, Deion, Bo, Antonio Gates, Julius Peppers, Jim Brown’s best sport was Football. Athleticism directly translates to success in Football more than anything other sport except for track. Hence Jim Thorpe, Bob Hayes & Jackie Robinson were all multi sport athletes who’s second best sport was Football.

​@@cedricbeard4609 Generally speaking your point is valid. The flip side is that all those guys you mentioned already had a football mentality. And having that mindset is generally what makes them capable of even competing at the highest levels of any other sport. Because every other sport outside of football is just about a particular skill that needs specific development. It doesn't mean football is the easiest because any track guy can't run routes or catch, and any basketball player can't tackle or block. None of those things mean you have to be tough. But you do have to have the skill and willingness to do it well just like hitting a curve ball. Football produces more athletes in dual sports because it prepares more athletes to play any sport. That's why you don't see any basketball players trying to run track at professional levels or play baseball. Point is that once you have the mentality for football you can translate that more easily to developing a skill in baseball, basketball, track, wrestling, etc.

@@EricA-kl7by and I not only agree, but I’ll go one step further; I kickbox and Basketball players are hit & miss, but Football players had the “toughness” factor. Obviously other sports like wrestling also had that factor too, but Basketball was one that was hit or miss. I think it’s quite telling that Nate Robinson was a better HS Football player & he had the toughness to get in the ring with Jake Paul.

Jason Williams had the athleticism and skillset to play point guard in the nba. Moss is a 6’5 (at best) power forward. He can’t play in the nba. He would need the skillset of a guard which he didn’t have

@@ElectricLettuce1 Moss was Mr Basketball in West Virginia his Jr & Sr years. Moss was chosen over Jason Williams. Jason has said in interviews that Moss was their leading scorer and star. Moss would’ve had to be a do it all shooting guard, like D Wade. Michael Redd was also a 6’5 shooting guard, so at 6’4 and committed only to Basketball who knows. D Wade didn’t have a deadly outside jump shoot either. Allen Iverson was arguably better at Football and he played both point & shooting guard.

He was on scholarship for football which meant he played the entire season until he was released to play basketball which was after 1/1 of every year. He also had to lose that football weight of about 10 lbs of muscle before he was highly effective so around February he was a fully contributing member of the big 3 fsu had with Bob sura (now a professional poker player) and Sam Cassell. It was a fourth person on that team that had a cup of coffee in the nba and he was nice too. The NFL wanted him to for go his senior basketball year to show his commitment to football but was still mocking him to be a 3rd to a 5th round pick so he told them not only am I playing basketball but you need to draft me in the 1st round in order for me to play. 3rd to 5th round pick meant significantly less money with no real guaranteed money while basketball was all guaranteed money and longer career. The sad thing is Charlie was not a run first qb so them suggesting he switch to WR was disrespectful af. Meanwhile, the guy that went #1 in that draft was Drew Bledsoe who chose to sit out his senior year to train for the prod which in my opinion should have been a red flag. He didn't want to play his senior year cause Washington state lost talent to graduation and he didn't want their potential lack of success to effect his draft stock.

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