NBA vs. NFL DEBATE 👀 J.J. Watt walks back criticism of Austin Rivers' claim | The Pat McAfee Show 

Lmao bruh come on man you know what he means. He means a forward that shoots lol. Very different from a power guard 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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@@anthonyhinton6748 Whats a power guard then? A guard that powers?? 😂 🤣

@@user-ty1wm6sm4w yes see you understand 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@user-ty1wm6sm4wGilbert arenas asked if wemby can be a kick blocker this convo Austin started show how lil both athletes know bout the other sport

Duh that don’t mean sht we choose basketball because we want a long career football you won’t and that doesn’t mean sht everyone wants to feel safe

⁠@@Basket-holesidk about you but me and my friends and teammates didn’t choose basketball to feel safe lol if that was the case we would have played baseball or golf, basketball is just more fun, and is something you can play and practice by yourself you need a minimum of like 6 people to play football or even more for baseball, and then if your good enough to think about pursuing one professionally, it really comes down to 2 factors, you’re either gonna go with the sport your ranked highest in or you’re gonna go with the one the pays more money, in which case baseball and basketball win that battle( for the most part their are some qb’s who get paid more then nba players but only like 3)

Yeah but that’s mainly because basketball pays more and you’re more likely to have a longer career. Not to mention it’s more options and alternatives besides the NBA with the G-League, overseas, and all of these other semi-pro leagues popping up like OTE and JBA. In football you only get big money if you’re a franchise QB, top receiver, or elite defensive player and even then their salary is equal to most role players in the NBA. There’s also no other option or alternative playing football, it’s pretty much NFL or bust. Yeah I know the UFL exist but they’ve only been around for a few years, let’s see how long that league actually last

You can forklift Shaq?

@@kojo6300 yeah JJ Watt would fold them in half,

@@velder22 lol. Shaq is 7 foot 350

​@@kojo6300And would run a 40 and 8.4 seconds.

@@kojo6300 in what position do you think you're going to put him at?

Just height

@@user-rz2pv9rx8l That height makes them stronger, quicker, and faster if all things are equal because they can do more with less effort.

Being taller and longer isn't an advantage past a certain point. Way to show you have no idea what you're talking about.

You are silly if you think that a longer, bigger athlete doesn't give a person a quickness and athletic advantage if all things are equal. I have sent numerous players to the NBA in the Oakland area. People who play both basketball and football are almost always better in football if they can take a hit. There are many former college basketball only players who are invited to a NFL football camp. There is no former college football only players invited to a NBA camp. Ask the coaches, not the players. Basketball coaches don't recruit football players, but football coaches are giddy if they get a former basketball player.

Yeah he averaged almost 7 points in college but was an all American TE😂

Yet he can't stay healthy enough to actually win.

The NBA players will heve issues with they're height they would be too big and they will deal with too many injuries because of the muscle they will have to gain

Zion Williamson the guy who averages 4 injuries a season

U can’t pull up any nba player that played college football, but u CAN pull up footage of DOZENS of nfl players playing college football… This equals Austin river being wrong…

Facts.. they seem to conveniently leave that part out every time.

⁠@@spicebandzreacts6072 dozens? I would think it would be a lot more NFL players that played college football then dozens lol😂

Bc the exception doesn’t make the rule? Talking about 3-4 guys who’ve done it in the last 25 years successfully. For every Antonio gates there’s 10+ Mark Vitals and Quinten Rollins. Not to mention Antonio Gates didn’t just start playing football randomly. He was recruited to play football for MSU by Saban. He just decided to play basketball in college. I think the issue is football players realize there’s skills needed to play basketball and you have to practice those skills for years to make the nba. Basketball dummies and the general public who’ve never played high level football don’t realize that the same applies for football. You have to not only be a freak athlete but have to practice released, stems, route running, soft spots in coverages, contested catching, catching in traffic, catching while getting blasted, etc. it isn’t just line up wide and run a fade man to man and it’s a flag football jump ball fest. The toughest guy in the nba (Draymond green) tried to play TE in a MSU spring game. Watch the clips. It’s not sweet

@@snarlesbarkley2818 you saying all of that changes nothing about what I said. And you bringing up somebody like Rollins only further proves my point. He was a high level basketball player who wasn't going to make it in the NBA so he switched to football and made it to the NFL. If I can name guys like Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, and Jimmy Graham and you can even bring up somebody like Rollins it shouldn't be hard for you to name guys who primarily played football who made it to the NBA. You talking about exceptions don't make the rule. But in this case they do because it's proven based on the names just mentioned high level basketball players have a higher probability of transitioning to Football then football players have of making a high level basketball team. Basketball players make more money which is why more of them don't make the change. And the fact that you think Draymond is toughest guy in the league let's me know you don't know enough about hoops to have this discussion.

Nope. Not true. Look at Draymond Green trying to play D1 football. There’s maybe 5-10 guys in the NBA that might be able to play in the NFL. At most they can play WR, but they wouldn’t last

Wrong! Every NBA player would be out for 3 weeks when they get a paper cut

​@@danielnelson5601like Antonio Gates?

No, just…No

Lies!

@@lewalcindor9356he wasn’t in the NBA 😂😂😂

Shaq, Zion, Iverson, Giannis, Pat Bev, would have succeeded in the NFL with just months worth of training.

@@blackcapone187lol😂 stop it bunch of pu**sy in the nba can’t handle football physicality

Almost every WR could probably play in the NBA most LBer could be Forwards and Small Forward in the NBA….im sorry I might be 2 may 3 players in the NBA you could but on a Football field…but we are talking about Basketball players who they league had to put in a flopping rule and who cry every time they get touched they to soft to play in the NFL

@@BSO111968Ah yes, football players would choose CTE, a shorter career, less fame, less money over being a basketball player. You see how these dudes will leave their teams for extra millions… You don’t think they would leave their sport to earn 2-3x their salary? James Jones is much more decorated than Austin Rivers in their respective sports yet Austin earned 60 mill to James’ 20 mill. Make it make sense

@@joeasuncion2891 no I don’t think they would leave they sport because they love football and yes I think they would chose football over basketball 20 times over perfect example Kyler Murray could have been a high draft pick playing Baseball and he chose to play football over it because he loved it more

Yet despite being one of the most athletic nba players. His and the average nba players combine numbers are trash compared to nfl players. They’d get toasted.

i mean the fact the nba combine is 185 pound bench press compared to 225 for nfl says a lot russ would be getting babied

@@Juju-ue3njfacts, like what are we even talking about lmao.

Zzzz. Name them? NFL players have played professionally in two sports. NBA players haven’t. NFL players have medaled in other sports (track) in the Olympic. NBA players haven’t. In the same combine events nfl players destroy the nba players. Just check vert, speed, and even lifting .

​@bobbymo3591 Every single one of the 32 starting quarterbacks would not make NFL roster even the GOAT Brady. 1 player in every single NBA team could make the NFL roster.

​@@user-df3op4jz1fBrady wouldn't make an NFL roster?

​@@user-df3op4jz1fHow did you edit your comment and still mess it up 😂

No it doesn’t.

It doesn't. Cuz it's not that many to begin with.

tony gonzales, that dude from the chargers

lol why should they? The salary is garbage. There were a few who considered switching over as a last option.

What about Charlie ward winning the heisman then turn around and have a long nba career so I think it goes both ways

@@Hoodlum728 Example: Charlie Ward was a Heismann Trophy Winning Quarterback (ie, he was _the best_ football player in the nation). His NFL prospects were bleak, though → which was the case for many black quarterbacks. So, he entered the NBA. Where he spent several years as a ho-hum point guard. In other words, *the top football QB was a run-of-the-mill NBA point guard* . My Point: a lot of NBA guards would be tremendous QB prospects.

​@@0-Elias-0You know alot of players who won the Heisman couldn't succeed in the NFL. So we honestly will never know if he could play at an elite level.

​@@eddieprieto6511 I see you; and although I agree with your first statement, I find that it missed the mark. Reason: it was aimed at _infamous busts_ , while mine was aimed at pronounced success rates. Fact: Heisman-winning QBs have had significantly more success than non-Heisman-winning QBs. Nonetheless, I'll acknowledge how mystifying this fact is to our current sports minds. And that's largely because of how much we focus on the [infamous] busts. Yet, when we look at the entire landscape, we'll see that Heisman-winning QBs have tremendously more NFL success than their non-winning counterparts. We'll even reach this conclusion upon analyzing every metric (eg, production, years played, snaps taken, draft position, etc.). I'll also acknowledge that these same mystifying agents cause our minds to stigmatize entire demographics. In this instance, that demographic is the black quarterback. Unfortunately, this stigmatization has clouded our prospects of their success (of course, some of us are just flat-out haters; promulgating the inferiority of others). So, with those factually-debunked clouds now dissipated, we can [more easily] see that *Charlie Ward was a tremendous QB prospect* . Then, when we look at Ward's [more-gifted] peers (ie, other NBA guards), we can see that many others would have been *tremendous QB prospects also* . Are you seeing that, too?

@0-Elias-0 Kyler Murray won the Heisman, and yet he hasn't done anything significant compared to a Brock Purdy, who was picked last. Also, Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson haven't done anything significant in the NFL, and they won the Heisman, too. Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in the league, and he didn't even win the Heisman.

@0-Elias-0 All of the quarterbacks who have a Heisman trophy in the NFL today are still not as good as Mahomes, and he doesn't even have one. So what does that tell you about the significance of it?

westbrick 🤣

iverson was a allstar qb in highshool

​@@kodyscot9360Lebron also

Boxing

Hockey players would get beat up & hit harder by NFL players. MMA is the toughest sport

Not with the flags they throw now. NFL isn't as violent as it used to be

@@typingpleasewait LMAO

@@khalfanikeme Hockey is played at speeds far faster than Football and play through broken legs/necks/arms, punctured lungs and I could go on all day. Hockey players are built differently than football.

My ONLY knock on your points, and they are good points, is the toughness factor. Everyone has a game plan until they get punched in the mouth. Even with the softer hits of today's NFL, I don't know if many of the NBA players you mentioned could truly take the hits at all. Especially the ones you want playing TE or EDGE. Also, you might be devaluing the skill involved in pass rushing... though the pure length of someone like Zion would present significant issues to passers.

@@ThePatrickakes but it is different when you grow up in that environment its the same as no one in the 1980s had iphones and they didnt care however try take away peoples iphones today and it would start an apocalypse type event If NBA players grew up with just a focus on football they would be use to that environment but with the knowledge of what they have now and what they could be doing instead being the NBA they probably wont last in the NFL

I personally don't think the NBA players could handle the physical. Toughness That it takes to be an NFL player. As soon as they get hit one good time, they're done. It's a different mentality for both sports.

@@ThePatrickakesany center in the nba could handle the physicality of the nfl your banging down there with other 6’10 to 7 ft 250 pounds constantly using your body to box out other physical monsters to grab boards or going up to contest faster, higher flying players as they drive to the rim and make contact with you full speed as you meet them at the rim to block or get dunked on. They could easily translate that to catching touchdowns in the endzone. Probably not in open play or across the middle of the field but specifically redzone monsters absolutely.

Old school football you dont throw anything up because of patrick willis and ray Lewis

It's little man syndrome.

Compared to NFL players, they are.

Really? lol

Who’s acting?

I'll put Wemby on the goal line and and throw fade routes

Eh, you don’t know that. Players adjust to the league they’re in, if there is a standard it’s easier to rise to. NFL season is much shorter than the NBA season as well so they have to treat injuries accordingly

You can't even touch quarterbacks or hit receivers in the NFL now, football is beyond soft now.

No he wouldn't be.

@@Ghostkilla773 you watch anime and play 2k past the year 2012 you couldn't possibly understand the type of athlete he was

Injury prone D Rose??

Lies.

@@leerob7738 Truths... 6'7" Julius Peppers = NFL HOFer 6'5" Tony Gonzalez = NFL HOFer 6'5" Travis Kelce = NFL HOFer 6'4" Antonio Gates = NFL HOFer all of these guys transitioned from basketball to football. By NBA standards, they had below-average height. By NFL standards, they had above-average height. They knew they couldn't make an NBA roster, so they turned to football. Where they became all-time legends. The key to their transition was their height (where they towered over much-shorter opponents). All truths, bro-bro... all truths.

@@0-Elias-0 - Your opinion isn’t truth! That’s the problem you think your view means truth.

@@leerob7738 Wrong; those were facts. Let's break down the first one (into each key element): #1. Do you dispute the fact that Julius Peppers is an NFL Hall-of-Famer? #2. Do you dispute the fact that Julius Peppers played college basketball? #3. Do you dispute the fact that Julius Peppers is 6'7"? Thank You

@0-Elias-0 Gates is not a HOFer btw. Most importantly, you named only 4 guys in like the last 25 years. And those guys were more of football players than basketball to begin with. An NBA player is not good enough to play on an NFL field.

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This is the entire argument! Their bodies are too frail for the contact that comes with football. Any football player can play defense and stay in front of a guy.

You're definitely a kicker. K/P shouldn't even be in a game. They literally come on the field for 1 minute. Stop lying to yourself

@@user-df3op4jz1f Nah, I played D1 as a running back actually lol (University of Idaho)

Most NFL players handles would be suspect on the NBA level, not to mention all the other skills they would need. NFL on some positions you can almost get away with pure athleticism, toughness, & game planning which is easier to find than the NBA skillset.

Charlie ward left the chat*

Wrong

I actually think a decent amount of NFL corners could make it like sauce gardener I think he could legitimately be like Patrick Beverley he would l be more athletic. He wouldn’t be that much shorter. Playing corner is very similar to playing one on one defense and also communicating with other players is something a DB has to do as well

@@dsbeats5657Go search up Pat Bev HS highlights. Y’all don’t realize that these dudes are buckets. Bev got no offensive bag against players in the NBA but against lesser opponents he’s dropping 40. Put him in D1 and he’s an automatic superstar getting 30 a game in the right system. Draymond Green had a high post fade turn around jimmy that was BUTTER in college. But in the NBA he has 0 bag and is mainly known for playmaking on offense. Literally 0 NFL players could play in the NBA.

That's only because of money.

Garbage players get 150 million in the NBA. That's not the case in the NFL

He’d play receiver. 6’2 215-220 he’d be a beast

Look at the commercial with him & reggie miller, they’re almost the same height

​@@keemosabe8858that's the average NBA height

They are great athletes

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Dude Pat Bev averaged like 40 in high school. He’s closer to Lebron than any normal human being and any NFL athletes COMBINED. 15th player on an NBA roster is cooking 99% of the general population

@@fk-cz8pz that has nothing to do with his role in the NFL… there have been plenty of great football players that put up crazy stats in high school, you’re not using that to say NBA couldn’t do what they do

@@Okay-es2mt you think an NFL player can just hop into the league with no left hand and do anything against NBA level talent?? Steals and turnovers for days. This ain’t no run and dunk league

@@fk-cz8pz it is for sure a run and dunk league if that’s your role in a team… I’ve watched players not dribble more than 5 times a game because their role isn’t to do that. It’s really simple…

@@Okay-es2mt yea that’s the guys like Giannis who are like 7ft tall and shredded. Tallest NFL dude is a 300 pound 6’7 lineman. What can those guys do with no handles and below average shooting ability? They’d be ineffective and would easily be the worst player on the court

Antonio gates .

@@hb3041 Allen iverson. what’s your point? Lol you have to go back twenty years to find an example

​@keithprater2011 You're talking about a sport where touching the quarterback and hitting receivers is basically illegal, lol the NFL is soft now.

@@lewalcindor9356 I’m talking about a sport where players can handle getting hit period lol Anthony Davis wouldn’t even survive training camp lol

Basketball players make the NFL literally all the time