He's smarter than cortana too apparently! Don't forget the other smart AI he bested in halo wars. Don't forget that he has the only prosthetic in any game or book that works like that, despite all of their technology being directly ripped off of the covenant. Don't forget that him and his followers are de-facto immune to the flood super-cell. Because.. reasons! I'm so tired of this Mary-sue arbiter ripoff. His very presence cheapens everything that came before and ruins arguably the best villain in all of science fiction
For reference, a Tyrannosaurus Rex had a maximum bite force of 35,000 to 57,000 Newtons. Chief punches 3 to 5 times harder than a Tyrannosaurus bite. And Atriox took it like it was nothing.
@thekidwhoreviews3949 Ye, that's not happening. Arbiter is a highly skilled swordsman and probably a great marksman as well, but a close range fight won't have Arby winning.
people like to cry that the H2 Brutes are spongy but the Brutes and other enemies in Infinite literally have like x10 or x20 the health of those H2 Brutes. The health for the Chieftains is like x10 that, and for the red hunters through the game it's ridiculously high. In Legendary you can literally waste all your clips on your weapon and they will still be standing. Halo 2 Brutes went down with less than a clip of a carbine, about half a clip.
@@totalygamingtemplar they aren't more difficult they are just super bullet sponges. Nothing that isn't a boss with a healthbar should take a weapons entire ammo reserve. A group of red hunters took all the ammo in 3 weapons plus a bunch of hornet rockets. Which is ridiculous. Spent about 30+ minutes fighting them i was almost convinced they were Invincible. Only other explanation is it was a bug. Also I beat 95% of Halo 2 Legendary 0 deaths, 0 skips, every enemy cleared. I beat 100% of the rest of the Bungie Halo games like that, and Halo 4, plus Spartan Ops. So I've played Halo for over a decade. The speed of the final Brute Chieftain is unrealistic and that part of the game plays like Doom Eternal where you have to run, jump, and quickly use all your equipment on rotation to win that fight on Legendary, the problem is rotating equiment fast is weird and clunky on controller. Halo isn't Dark Souls or Doom Eternal and it shouldn't play like them. Breaks the pacing and feels like im playing other games with Halo modded onto them.
@@totalygamingtemplar plus my point is people cry about bullet spongy Brutes in H2 but completely over look that in Halo Infinite. Doesn't matter if "they're supPosEd to be thAt wAy" cuz so are the Halo 2 Brutes.
@@jhnyjoejoe69 oh, I'm playing though halo 2 with my dad rn, and have not fought any brutes yet. I doubt they are as spongy as people say, I think it's just complaints about the brutes being 1d enemy's to fight
He hit Atriox in the chin... with a mid-sized, passenger jet. We can definitely infer that no-one at Bungie or 343i has ever even considered the numbers.
Well hang on, idk what Bungie has to do with this, they didn't make Infinite. And as for 343, I'm just as happy to shit on them when they do something dumb as anyone else, but this isn't one of those times. Would you prefer Halo 5, where the Spartans fought like they were moving through syrup?
That "rock'em sock'em robots" style bodyshot/uppercut combo Chief does, has been living in my head rent free for 2 years. There's something about it I love. Chief does that jump uppercut so confidently that it looks like gold coins are supposed to pop out of Atriox's head 😂
Add to that, he doesn't suffer the dogmatic belief structure of the covenant and I would hazard a guess that he's as open minded about physiological augments as he is about recruitment
He should have, but the plot still need him alive...so no. But yeah, even if the punches did not destroy his skull, his brain should have been turn into mush inside his skull. Because, I mean, you can make your bones and muscles stronger, but your brain? That is a delicate organ in all living creatures. Unles Brutes have some sort of impact dampening adaptation in the anatomy of their heads. Similar to some real life animals on earth. Like wood peckers or Mountain Goats, and Bison ...Only that Brutes would need to have substantially stronger impact absortion.
As much as I'd love to see Chief go up against Atriox in a round 2. The correct choice to make is Red Team getting round 2, they got beaten first so they deserve the round 2 more. And Atriox is different even among Brutes, he has confirmed bested four Spartans in two engagements. Brutes are no slouches in combat, but Atriox is that exact same thing and then some.
I think a major aspect that we need to keep in mind of Atroix's strength is that he ALWAYS makes sure that he gets the first strike on his opponents. If Red Team weren't caught off guard and hindered by the initial confusion of his ambush, there's a good chance they could have taken him down in that moment. Same with Chief, who nearly killed him via a Sidekick bullet almost striking his head once he turned and saw him coming.
Makes me think of how in First Strike a Brute blitzed Master Chieft and choked him with so much force that he almost immediately passed out, and that was a regular brute, in fact I think it was Chiefs first time encountering a Brute. Also that was while he was in Mk V.
I like to think there'd be a scarab tier boss fight where chief and red team work together to take him down, I have no explanation as to how chief and red team find each other or any lore explanation as to why that would happen, but the rule of cool means that would be a kickass finale for the banished saga
@jimbothegymbro7086 well at the end of Halo Infinite Chief and Co saw something that seemed to give them hope, and at the end of Halo Wars 2 Professor Anders got back to the Milk Way aboard a new Halo Ring, maybe she somehow got the Spirit of Fire back too and thats who Chief and them saw at the end of Halo Infinite.
I know Brutes are tough as hell, but I find it a little unrealistic that there was 0 daze time after basically being slugged in the jaw by 94 tons of force. He instantly retaliated with a punch of his own.
It’s entirely realistic. It all depends on his durability, which is evident by the feat itself. He’s clearly durable enough to immediately recover and counter.
@@legionmetadef not possible unless brutes have some sort of modified central nervous system , and metal enhanced connective tissues and organs to hold to together (which they don’t). And assuming he somehow was strong enough to “absorb” the hit, he should have at least been knocked back more substantially.
@@carsonhunt4642 It may not have been to your liking, but it is what it is. Tbh, there’s no sense in making up arbitrary criteria to make sense of a feat that explains itself.
To be fair saying that chief used ALL of his strength there is a bit generous, considering he just got schmacked by a gravity mace. Not to mention atriox might have some sort of augmentation as well
@@mysteriousstranger5873Pretty much this. My headcanon (the only thing that makes this scene works) is to use what the cutscene gives us story-wise - Chief wasn't fighting at 100%. I feel like Chief grabbing for the empty AI chip in a total daze after getting punched shows us that. Not to say he fought poorly or anything. Just that he can theoretically fight better. Maybe having Cortana helps on top of that also.
Chief can punch through steal. A Spartan IV during the events prior to halo infinites campaign on the ring punched THROUGH a brute captain, dissenboweling him. The brute literally was so horrified about what the Spartan (pretty sure it was Spartan stone) had done to him, he dragged himself into a corner and died like a little bitch. In the lore, a female Spartan II during the Thursday war novel fist fought multiple brutes and won quite easily. Also Atriox is actually a relatively average, possibly even below average size for a brute. Esherum for example, is much taller and the tallest brute that we actually know of. This fight scene was very underwhelming for lore fans like myself.b
Atriox is kind of a monster of a brute himself. Plus, his abdominal armor probably isn't just for show. He probably wore it, expecting it to help protect from bullets and spartan punches. Surviving the uppercut was definitely a miracle if it wasn't mostly beard
Definitely a miracle, in one of the Kilo-5 books a spartan II kicks a brute in the jaw and the angle and force of his head getting whipped back internally decapitates him. Atriox got lucky Chief wasn't using a leg
@@devileye90to be fair that energy mace should have cut chief head clean off but well going out like that would be lame as fuck,rip emile you took an energy sword to the spine and died while the green man over here took 2 swing from a gravity hammer to the face and just walk it off
This begs the question why even bother with armor? If chief can dent the torso armor with a hook but atriox can tank a super Mario uppercut to the chin what's the point? Obviously his bones and skin are made of adamantium.
@@bentuovila5296 One, not having armor looks bad for someone leading a faction centered around strength. Two, plasma and kinetic weaponry are still very deadly.
@@stormichow5325i dont think any of the kinetic weapons besides the railgun or guass cannon can hit with nearly as much force as the chiefs punch, not any man portable weapons anyway.
@@bentuovila5296 I'd say a lot of the force of that punch to his head got transferred into motion. Although, his jaw is still incredibly tough to withstand even that force. But, the movement is pretty important in reducing the amount of force he would have taken. As far as the armor goes, he took those punches directly and didn't move back much, that means all the force got pretty directly transferred into the armor. But, the armor dented under the force of Chief's punch, thus using up a lot of that energy to deform the metal, and greatly reducing the amount of force transferred into Atriox's body. Would you want to be hit by a hammer through a piece of steel or just through clothing? They're both going to hurt, but one is significantly more likely to injure you. Although, perhaps Chief's punch is closer in strength to a piledriver.
@@BCosby423converting these force measurements into energy assuming they each got absorbed over about a foot is in the heavy machine gun Territory of energy. No biological tissue is gonna survive direct contact with that. Infact it would be interesting to see if the amounts of titanium and ceramic making up chiefs arm would even survive.
If Atriox can survive this He is immune to most man portable weapons including .50BMG. His bones have more in common with starship hull than biological matter and his muscle out performs kevlar. The really cool knife kill we saw ODST make on brute chieftains no longer makes any goddamn sense. Realistically, John's punch rattled Atriox's brain so hard he is seeing triple and shattered his mandible, that is why he was unwilling to swing his mace, and why he brought John to a railing, not one of the open edges. Atriox will be tender in his abdominals for weeks as his body deals with massive bruising.
Buck mentions in New Blood or Bad Blood that the only reason that Brute Chieftan died was because it fell onto the knife, driving it much deeper into his neck, possibly slipping between the vertebrae and severing his spinal cord.
@@Frankman121 Buck is not the only ODST we have seen perform this exact kill. It almost seems to be a trained response. But again, Atriox can have a tank dropped on his face, and emerge unscathed.
In conclusion, the simplest solution is 343 retconned the absolute hell out of Halo. Jerome in HW2 bodies a squad of Elites and Brutes in Mk IV. Just going by the fight between Jerome Alice and Douglas with Atriox, they never got any real hits, just bullets on armor, and a “shallow” stab wound. So unless Atriox is a mutated Brute, or has augmentations, there is no convincing me that this cutscene should not have ended with Atriox being a distant memory. Even if his bones didnt break, there is still the concussive force of his brain being jostled around. That should have turned to mush, or how about the spinal cord not being severed from that massive acceleration tilting his neck back? Not to mention what we see in the cutscenes of ODST, and the Halo 4 intro, and the Starry Night commercial. This does not show how strong Atriox or Brutes are. It shows the retconning Deus Ex Machina to essentially have a soft reboot of the series. (Rant) first the whole idea that the Covies could/would not defeat Atriox (they sent a whole spec ops unit to kill some elite on threshold, and won out numbered 3-1 at the Ark) then all a sudden, the Infinity, which survived 3 hits from a glassing beam, and rammed a shielded ship, having the best sensor array in the Galaxy gets bodied by a fleet of rams? No thanks. And now im expected to believe a Spartan 2 with the most advanced suit of MJOLNIR with Spartans, especially 117, having a track record in cannon of obliterating brutes all of a sudden cant 1v1 Atriox? No thanks. (End rant)
I couldn't agree with you more. The only way I will ever accept this fight as canon is if 343 in later halo games shows that atriox is enhanced in any way. I don't believe he had a y power armor on in this scene so I without augmentations he should be dead or best be in a live long coma after the chief fight
Agreed! I get it-it’s Atriox. He’s smart, he’s abnormally big (or rather, typically big for a Chieftain, as jiralhanae chieftains seem to always be the biggest, strongest, and smartest to achieve being top-dog [rhino/bear/gorilla]), and he has to have some sort of plot armor in addition to his semi-powered armor he’s wearing. However, let’s not forget that Chief, upon waking up, immediately goes down to the ring and annihilates some of the Banished’s other top commanders and chieftains, a good portion of which are also semi-power armored brutes, including Escharum. Of course, we can’t forget how actually dangerous brutes are-remember First Strike and the Uneven Elephant? Crazy scary stuff! Buuut then again, remember Naomi in the Kilo-5 trilogy where she punches a few brutes to death, shattering their bones/heads with her MK VII prototype armor? So…shouldn’t Chief’s uppercut punch have done the same to Atriox here? And in the ending of Halo 3, as noted by Installation00, Chief punches through titanium plating (and barely cocked back to do so in MK VI). You (343i’s silly cutscene) cannot tell me ALL brutes have bones stronger than titanium plating, as he has been punching brutes to death since Halo 2, including lots of semi-power armored Chieftains and Warlords.
I want to add. The video was both conservative with the numbers, but Chief was also fighting from the drop, and does not look like he put 100% into his swings. They punched through concrete two months after augmentation and able to kick a Mk. 1 Exo-Suit across a room. If he hit 100%, Atriox would have died from the internal bleeding, and be decapitated. But Chief does not have to hit 100% to win this fight. This fight should have been his, unless Atriox has augmentations. Only way to be consistent with established Lore. Sick of the community making excuses for bad writing, and obvious, terrible, retconning by 343. This is what happens when you let them get away with Halo 4.
I wouldn't be surprised if Atriox has some Brute augmentations. He's a lot of things, but conservative aint one of 'em. He's a pragmatist at his core; he knows augmented humans kill normal Brutes so if he doesn't want to be one of those casualties he's better off not being a normal Brute. He almost certainly uses power armor on, or at least near, par with MJOLNIR. As for Infinity getting bodied I'm reading Rubicon Protocol right now and it sounds like they slipped in right in the middle of Atriox's fleet and got immediately dogpiled. They were caught with their pants so far down they were wearing them as shoes. On top of that Atriox has some kind of bullshit pre-Forerunner dimensional weapon capable of killing Guardians installed on one of his ships. Now this all really needed to be elaborated on in the game, I won't deny that, but given the context I'm willing to stretch my SoD. Somewhat. 343 Writing is 343 Writing. Shit that really needs to be in the main media (games) to maintain internarrative continuity and consistancy being shunted off to the shadow realm of the books and comics is my biggest gripe with how 343 has handled the story after Halo 4.
@@dustinbragg1921 id be fine with that. If they explained it as him being augmented. As for the power armor, i think its just his right hand. The one that he used to intercept an energy sword. I still dont accept the infinity being bodied notion. Unless im wrong, they have sensors that can map ships in normal space, while in slipspace. Say im wrong and they did pop in the middle of the banished fleet. There are so many tactical options Lasky could have taken, like, not be a sitting duck. Eveasive maneuvers, a short jump 3 million miles away, idk. Like you said: 343’writing. I think the problem is the whole soft reboot. That being: in G1 covies were tech superior to humans and we got decked. Fine. Makes sense. In G2, humans are the greatest military force in the galaxy, but some brute stole that title even though Rtas defeated them 3-1 with the same ships, and the crew of the SoF held more than their own with 30 year old tech? You and i get it. Im beating a dead horse at this point. They needed a new powerful antagonist, made up the banished, and left to your imagination how effective they are in spite of established lore to the contrary. Whats more, it can ALL be explained with good writing, but to my knowledge not a single book does it. It would be difficult, but not impossible for a competent writer to explain the most important aspect of this whole bs: how the Banished became so powerful in spite of the Covenant.
I think you've got the acceleration correct, but using the chief's total mass may not be accurate. The mass should be of the actual object hitting Atriox, such as the fist or arm. Otherwise, you've assumed all 450kg of mass moving at 400m/s^2. Like an ultra dense cannon ball. And that would indeed be devastating. Somebody correct me if I'm missing something.
This was my thought as well, MC isn't moving his whole body at full acceleration, just his arm/hand. Another oversight is the uppercut velocity where the jump acceleration wasn't subtracted from the punch acceleration in the calculation of forces involved, so the uppercut (without the jump) was measured as a little faster than it actually was
Correct, even if Chief was using a really big movement something like a Haymaker he still wouldn’t have all his weight behind it. It would have been a fraction of his total mass.
didnt get acceleration correct either. The AVERAGE velocity of the punch over its thrown distance is 20m/s based on the frame rate/distance calculation, but the final velocity will be higher.
He got a few assumptions incorrect anyway, never mind the idea that he was using his entire mass. If that was the case the Chief throwing punches would be enough to send him cartwheeling.
If Chief managed to turn that force he created on Atriox's chin into a horizontal force, he'd be able to like, destroy a Scorpion tank in one punch! The Brute's chin is more manly that Thanos's chin and that thing is large.
The idea of Jiralhanae skeletons incorporating or being made out of enamel-like material would make a lot of sense for a species so hell-bent on direct combat. The only question that remains for me is the 1-2-3 punch to the gut and the possible negation from the armor. We know Atriox has some UNSC bits to his armor, so a part of me wonders if there might be some undocumented force mitigation technology stolen, like the Mjolnir's hydrostatic gel layers. Seems like that would be the last thing on a Brute's mind, but Atriox is anything but a standard Brute.
In fairness the only real punch that went all the way through was the uppercut since it didn’t hit armor. It’s also the one that made him retaliate with a lot more speed and force rather then continuing to slowly loom over him line he was. Atriox REALLY felt that one, it sent his head way back, and it woke him up and reminded him that he shouldn’t mess around too much. I would not expect atriox to get one tapped even by Chief so him eating the SINGULAR upper cut on the chin… appears to be about right for his character and as a brute Cool note too, atriox had his mouth open when he got punched… could’ve bitten his tongue off, lol
In Halo ODST, we can melee a brute while playing as a human. The truth is that Atriox should have dodged and I would accept that, otherwise the lore clearly indicates that Atriox should have died instantly. He is just as strong as the plot needed him to be.
@@kuda9464 odst doesn't make sense, because an elite has similar speed and strength to that of spartan 2s just naturally, the brutes are quite a bit above the average speed and power of an elite..
You cannot begin to understand how much this initial cutscene pisses me off. There is so much in this particular scene that is wrong, that the entirety of it just brings me to tears of pure rage and hatred towards 343i. I can accept Atriox being some sort of monster even among Jiralhanae, because we've already seen him 3v1 Red Team years ago, at least they are sticking to that. So, I do not expect a 1v1 against John to be against Atriox. But John isn't the only Spartan that should have been on the Infinity at the time. Let's begin with the fact that for SOME reason, the Infinity does not have its shields up, thus allowing a Banished assault. Why does it not have its shields up? The Banished DO NOT have the firepower to take them down, nor the defences to resist an assault from the Infinity. Up to this point it's already a massive amount of bullshit. Now, back to the fight against John. WHY IS THE MASTER CHIEF ALONE? WHERE IS FRED, LINDA AND KELLY? Osiris? Locke, Buck, Tanaka, Vale? The Arbiter, Thel Vadame? How about the onboard 4's? Palmer? Team Majestic and Crimson? There are at least 8 Spartans + the onboard Spartans + an Elite that should have been on the damn Infinity at the time of arriving to Zeta Halo. This whole scene, and honestly this WHOLE game is a monument to the utter incompetence and inability from 343i to stick to the story they already had going with 4 and 5, and instead throw it all out the window, to have Halo CE's Halo mission extended 8 hours long. And to that end, they had the fucking audacity of humiliating John, the face of the franchise, making him be beat and dragged by some random wannabe warlord who couldn't even keep the Spirit of Fire in check at the Ark, and on top also humiliating the single best ship Humanity had at the moment, because their new shitty plot required the Infinity to not defend itself against the Banished. Halo Infinite is a mistake, and I would be happy if they made a new Halo continuing from 5 and pretended Infinite never happened.
They didnt do the lore/scene justice because 343 and Microsoft developed this game during covid and constantly moved in new devs every few months. They keep butchering the Halo universe like they did in this scene. Its almost as terrible as the trash paramount show is in my eyes...unforgivable. I just want to know who the lore people are that are in charge of directing a scene like this. They need to get fired ASAP. Actually 343 needs to get fired.
to add, for some strange reason I still have hope. I hate Infinite and what they did with the game/chief/cortanna but im willing to excuse it for covid/microsoft's developer lawsuit they had on them. I hate 343 but im still hoping theres some people out there that know what theyre doing and doing Halo justice
Aaaallll of this! I've been thinking the *same* thing since the game came out. Plus, this shouldn't have been a cutscene in the first place... this should have been the first mission.
@@FrostbiteDigitalthat's what it is, although he has a point about not continuing the story from the previous games. But in general you can sum up hate for 4-5 as: 4: my virtual gf died 😡 5: my virtual gf talked back to me she shouldnt have done that 😡
I choose to imagine after he threw Chief overboard and didn't have to do the hardass routine anymore, you could hear the single loudest "FUUUUUUCK!" echo through the whole of the UNSC Infinity.
Don’t y’all just love how Infinite was supposed to be the game for 10 years with constant updates that would give 00 loads of novel material to cover? But instead of that, he has to cover a cutscene that was trailered before the game even released? What happened to the incredible potential of this campaign? Where is chief now? Where is Atriox? Will we ever find out?
How do some people try so hard to find any way to bitch about modern halo? This is literally a video studying how strong Atriox is by calculating the strength of Chief’s punch. It has nothing to do with whatever you’re talking about.
@Commander_Appo it has everything to do with it. The halo community has been starved of new material. To the point that 00 is having to base videos on old topics/info. Infinite was supposed to be the flagship for Halo for the next decade as were the original plans for the game. Instead we get 0 campaign dlc and lackluster multi-player seasons which have just been adding material that should have been there in the first place. The campaign was underwhelming and gave us next to no new information or anything. You may be happy with the current state of Halo, but myself and 99% of other hard-core fans are not. And I will not just quietly accept this desecration of my most beloved franchise. And its really not hard to find the flaws with modern Halo, it's everywhere you look.
@@Thekidwho3949 probably not. Chief is much faster than atriox and would have killed atriox in a fair fight. Atriox ambushed master chief and still almost lost his head with one shot. In reality, atriox is FOOD. But got lucky with his gravity axe.
@@Nicolos117I thought brutes actually matched armored Spartans in speed? (admittedly idk what Mjolnir generation this was in reference to so maybe it’s different now)
@@Nicolos117 The entirety of Chief's character is him getting lucky. So Atriox having his mace shouldn't mean anything. It's a part of him just as much as Chief's armor is part of Chief's arsenal.
Even in that battle he should have won, you're telling me over 2 tons of force on the uppercut did not liquify atriox's brain? Mad plot armor on atriox
And this is why we have weight classes in boxing😂 as a boxer myself it’s the first 3 body shots that amazes me how atriox barely reacted cus every fighter knows getting caught with a clean hook to the liver/kidney is worse than any face shot
God, I love Halo technical shit like this. It hurt me a little that my favorite game hero got bested by Atriox, but it is realistic that Chief finally has a real enemy that can put him in serious danger
Agreed. I get it-it’s Atriox. He’s smart, he’s abnormally big (or rather, typically big for a Chieftain, as jiralhanae chieftains seem to always be the biggest, strongest, and smartest to achieve being top-dog [rhino/bear/gorilla]), and he has to have some sort of plot armor in addition to his semi-powered armor he’s wearing. However, let’s not forget that Chief, upon waking up, immediately goes down to the ring and annihilates some of the Banished’s other top commanders and chieftains, a good portion of which are also semi-power armored brutes, including Escharum. Of course, we can’t forget how actually dangerous brutes are-remember First Strike and the Uneven Elephant? Crazy scary stuff! Buuut then again, remember Naomi in the Kilo-5 trilogy where she punches a few brutes to death, shattering their bones/heads with her MK VII prototype armor? So…shouldn’t Chief’s uppercut punch have done the same to Atriox here? And in the ending of Halo 3, as noted by Installation00, Chief punches through titanium plating (and barely cocked back to do so in MK VI). You cannot tell me ALL brutes have bones stronger than titanium plating, as he has been punching brutes to death since Halo 2, including lots of semi-power armored Chieftains and Warlords.
I had the same thoughts when i saw this cutscene the first time. If my reasonably athletic unaugmented brass nuckled fist landed that perfect an uppercut atriox would have been having a bad day. Chief should have sent atrioxs head into low orbit with that hit.
Lol this is so ridiculous. I know you're just analyzing the media, but this is like Thanos levels of power scaling. Dude is eating basically hulk punches and totally unfazed. Keep in mind that Halo is and has always been somewhat grounded in reality. This is some star wars shit. By this logic, brutes and Atriox should be invulnerable to fucking bullets and plasma
The books describe Cheif pumping over half Assult Rigle clip into a brute with little effect, I think it's in Halo First Strike. He even comes close to getting choked out by the throat. ... isn't that exactly what you're saying? Brites can literally take bullets to their massive Rhino hides?
I think he's implying it's bullshit that atriox is still alive after those hits(its completely horse shit, Atriox's brain matter should be a stain on the ceiling of the infinity after that uppercut) but in the prequel book for infinite Chief in his gen3 armor leg pressed and squatted a 100+ ton chunk of granite with a wound quadricep. It's not powerscaling. It's legit hard facts from the lore that chief can output that much force.
@@trossity9930he takes a few hammers to the face right before this punch 😂. Are you so lost in your fanboy rage that you blackout and didn't see the clip?
Ive been saying this for a long time, atriox should have died instantly on contact with that uppercut. In other halo media we see brutes get killed by headshots and all other sorts of damage all the time and somehow atriox just eats that much force without so much as a visible injury. 343 really just needed super power plot armor monkey for their game and it really shows.
I still think that chief should have done more damage with that uppercut Id say a brute is at best double a spartan in strength, maybe in atriox case 2.5-3 at the absolute most I say that because Spartans are as strong if not stronger than elites, and 2 elites have been shown to restrain a brute, so the gap in strength cant be that big Also since we see chief punch holes through metal, i think we should have seen some damage to atriox abdominal armour and at the very least some broken teeth/a fracture to his jaw, otherwise may as well be able to take a gauss round to the face In this sequence they should havw had atriox become dazed after the uppercut, and have something try draw chiefs attention ir make atriox go berserk a bit instead of just completely tanking that hit
Everyone is forgetting the squishy bits *inside* his skull that took that force. There’s zero chance he shrugs that off in any capacity. That uppercut alone would have taken him out immediately. Physics doesn’t stop at bone density, it’s the stuff inside that matters. Even humans can survive impacts that would break their bones, it’s the soft parts that run into the hard parts that cause the real damage. It’s just plot armor ignoring reality, there’s zero chance Atriox survived a hit like that without any damage at all.
00 did you see halo legends when Cal 141 legitly took on a brute chieftain and punched it in the gut made it throw up its lunch and then busted his eye with a back fist but still was coming at here. Brute are built different they can legitly fight Spartan in hand to hand combat it also implied in ghost of onyx when Fred was like ya let’s not fight brutes hand to hand. But atroix is super built different to even best the master chief in hand to hand. But this confirms it how terrifying the brutes.
I agree atriox is built different but still he has plot armor man. I'm not disagreeing Atriox can beat chief, it's just that chief would've put up one hell of a fight before going down
I agree with the plot armor argument. The amount of force his neck would've taken from that uppercut should've been more than lethal. All the armor on the planet doesn't save you from a severed spinal column.
I hate the fights that involve Atriox, instead of changing him into a tactical genius he is supposed to be they just artificially jacked up his strength in order to beat cheif. Through the many books we've seen Spartans crush brute skulls just by squeezing it with their palms.
Or red team closing on the hammer welding target when they have rifles. All they had to do was all back up in different directions and shoot him. Also Spartans can see in low light.
@@bentuovila5296 You’re the only other person I’ve seen mention this. One or all of them just backing up and BR’ing or Pistol headshot and he’s done. That cutscene made no sense from any standpoint.
yeah, atriox is just straight bullshit. that uppercut would have broken his skull and jaw, if a human biteforce of 120 psi can break bricks imagine chief's punch which is so much more than that, chief can destroy steel i REFUSE to belive brute bones are stronger than steel. same goes with red team, atriox is just the most bullshit halo villain, no single brute can fight a full spartan fireteam as much as i love halo wars 2 and somewhat like infinite, atriox has to be seriously fixed
We really need that video in brute physiology. Throughout the canon it's been established that brutes are stronger and more resilient than Spartans in CQC and its often the Spartans superior tactics that win the fight. Atriox is that strong and smart so he's a whole other animal. Seeing as brutes are stronger than Spartans regardless of armor or generation and since brutes regularly fight amongst themselves i can image that brutes who grow old must be abke to tank most forms of damage and keep going .
Thats the thing... I would have thought Atriox's head would have been separated from his body from the SHORYUKEN the Chief gave him square in the jaw...
Atriox is just a metaphor of 343, Atriox (343) beating the Chief (Basically the very Image of Halo) So I'm not surprised lol but just my crazy opinion.
The thing to keep in mind is that Atriox is not a standard Brute. He is an absolute freak of nature, and he can't be used to compare to other Brutes. That's like taking The Mountain or Eddie Hall and saying "well all humans must be capable of lifting 500+kg". Those guys are genetic freakshows to begin with, and most of the world's population could take any drug they wanted and train six days a week and still never come near what those dudes are capable of. Presumably the same applies to the Brutes. Every so often you just get a complete animal out of an already tough as nails species. They even say hes uncharacteristically hard to kill, even among others of his kind. Definitely wouldn't use him to scale the species in general.
I love the concept of this video but there is just one thing. Maybe atriox did undergo some sort of augmentations himself. With how much force chief put into those punches, especially the uppercut makes me think that maybe not only did atriox’s anatomy help him tank those insanely hard punches but maybe another factor came into play as well. It’s just a little theory I have about atriox since I first saw him destroy chief.
The part I don’t understand is in the Kilo-Five trilogy, Naomi-010 delivers a similar uppercut in Gen1 Mark VII to some rando Jiralhanae and snaps his neck with the force of the blow. Then here’s Atriox, taking a similar hit from a bigger, presumably stronger Spartan in more advanced armour without so much as a chipped tooth. Dude should have at least had a mouth full of shattered stubs, spit a mouthful of blood and tooth fragments into Chief’s visor and then hurled him into space.
It's just one of the time 343s want Jiralhanae. Spartans generally outpace Jiralhanae in Mjonir. They usually only beat them out in pure strength. Spartans beat them in every other meaningful category
Kilo-Five trilogy is really wonky when it comes to how strong people are. In that same scene, a completely normal ODST manages to wrestle a Brute to a standstill as they're struggling over an assault rifle. And earlier in the trilogy, Lucy (a Spartan-III) punches Halsey in a fit of rage, but she somehow survives just fine with only some bruising, despite the fact that teenaged Spartan-IIIs have killed trained soldiers with "light" (by their standard) smacks, and Lucy is a fully grown woman.
@@carpwhisperer1216 They sorta do. The main thing is, until the Banished, we never really saw what the Jiralhanae can achieve. We never saw them in power armor, we never saw them with proper training, we never saw them with education and intelligence. Our only exposure to them was pretty much at their worst, with none of the benefits afforded to Sangheili or especially Spartans. It's kinda like if our only exposure to Spartans was Alpha Company, who were 10 year olds being sent on suicide missions in cheap armor, and then they suddenly dropped the Spartan-IIs and SIII Cat-IIs on us; it'd be confusing, and uproot what we had initially thought of the Spartans. But it's not really them making the Spartans inherently stronger, it's them showing what the Spartans can do with more. That's basically what's happening here; the Jiralhanae have been "equalized," given the same treatment as the Spartans and Sangheili (top-notch armor, rigorous and advanced special forces training, proper education, etc.) and showing just how far they can go with it.
Keep in mind that just like humans, Brutes have different levels of pain tolerance. Mike Tyson can take crazy power punches all day while other people would be knocked out in a single punch.
My problem with almost all in game cutscene is that it never show damage to armor Here we should see that armor splinter under Chefs fist and that jaw break, just to show Chefs power
1:35 1:40 1:42 You can clearly see red team Stab Atriox 3 times, 2 where deep punchers both into the lower right side of torso and 1 went into Atriox chest armor. (turn your brightness up)
One thing to note that I don't see anyone else point out in this scene. Unless we assume that Atriox's gravity mace is SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than a standard gravity hammer, I don't think this scene can be entirely taken at face value. We know what a gravity hammer does to a spartan. They get obliterated by the sheer force that it subjects their body to. Chief in this scene gets multiple times full force by the gravity mace and it barely pops his shields. Everyone always says that they think Atriox should be dead here, But nobody ever mentions that Chief should be dead here. He gets hit twice by what should be relatively similar to a gravity hammer before he can even fully react.
Gen3 armor is a cheatcode which makes Atriox being alive after that uppercut even more stupid. Pretty sure there's an ODST variant helmet in Infinite(firefall?) That says spartan armor is basically at this point able to shrug off reentry and hit the ground without a drop pod. Or at least that they're working towards that goal.
The force being applied to atriox is not related to the acceleration of John’s hand rather the velocity at the time of impact and the time it takes for the punch to slow to 0 m/s. This is a calculation using the relation between impulse and momentum where the momentum of an object will be equal to the impulse enacted on it. Mass*velocity = Force*(delta)time, from here you can isolate the Force to find the force of impact on atriox.
Here, I shall try to “justify” Atriox surviving. Oh wait, he didn’t.(until the post credits scene) On a serious note, for the jab, I think his armor may have stopped the punch, since in Halo wars 2, a knife, held by another Spartan 2, could not get through. His armor could have some sort of kinetic force displacement, and stop the punch. Maybe that’s why the bosses are “bullet sponges”. For the uppercut, I interpreted it as Chief hitting the top of his armor, and then bouncing off into Atriox’s mandible, but even though, that still would have broken his jaw right? Enough so he couldn’t say, “My name is Atriox. I will be the last face you ever see”.
See Atriox has power armor on as well. A normal brute without the armor is stronger than an average spartan 2 already. I can’t imagine how much his armor amplifies his strength. I also am sure Atriox, being the leader of a faction, is going to have some of the strongest armor possible. If it was an obvious fight and not a sneak attack, same with red team, I think chief would have lasted longer. But probably not have won without more help.
Honestly shouldnt matter, since the punch to the mandible would have been enough to ERASE Atriox. But it didnt. EVEN IF the bone wouldnt break, you mean to tell me his SKIN IS FINE?
@@ProtocolAbyssbones don’t matter, it’s what’s inside that matter. His brain would have been mush, even if the numbers are off a bit. People simply ignore physics because it sounds cool to say they have hard bones. People have hard bones too, even small head impacts that would never break a skull can kill you easily due to your brain not moving when your skull hits it at high speed. It amazes me how many people are simply not smart enough to understand bone density doesn’t mean a damn thing when his brain would have been liquefied.
@@Thekidwho3949it is completely plot armor. No internal organ in his skull would survive that uppercut. Bone density doesn’t mean a damn thing when his brain impacts his skull moving upwards at high speed after an impact like that. Broken bones don’t kill boxers, their brains getting rattled around is what does it. How are you people not understanding this?
Surprised no one's noticed that Master Chief armor actually shorted out after Atriox hit him in the back where his armor's energy supply stems from. As soon as the suit shut off, it's abilities also stopped taking effect. Which means John was only able to use his natural augmented physique.
even then, we know that not only does John have the ability to move in his new albeit shorted out Mjolnir; he then has the strength to *jump* upwards, whilst executing an uppercut? idk, boss. he’s still moving that much weight around, and he may be only using his augmented strength, but in that case, he’s still using augmented strength further strengthened by the sheer weight and mass of the armor on his arms and hands, impacting it onto the bare skin of Atriox’s head? especially in an upwards force; primate mandibles are typically shaped to disperse backwards and downward energy from those kinds of impacts. I appreciate your attention to detail; it really does seem like Atriox’s Gravity Hammer must have some sort of EMP effect, even if it doesn’t last very long
Yeah, can we get the same with the first mace hit and the first punch ? Im pretty sure Master Chief survive something strong enough to tear his arm too.
@@tincano-beans2114It's a terrible sequence XD The game is incredibly lackluster as is, only to get pushed further into the dirt knowing this is the last time you even see Atriox.
The Reach brute assasinations show they're not this tough. If Atriox scales above the average Reach Chieftan then there's no way their skin is that tough when Spartan IIIs stab right through them with a combat knife. No Chief was weilding a blade but if you swing a hammer with 90,000 psi it's gonna do just about the same thing as a knife. The scars on Atriox's face prove he's not impervious so I'm gonna say it's more likely Chief couldn't put his max output in at that point in the fight or 343 doesn't know their own lore. Which is honestly just as likely with that embarrassing Chief V Locke fight.
Honestly makes no sense that Spartans don’t carry energy swords or hard light blades. That’s how Spartan Horvath beat Gorian. He would’ve fared so much better with an energy weapon or melee weapon, even picking up an improvised weapon like a steel beam or warthog driveshaft, anything better than nothing.
I disagree that it was a full power punch. It looks like he got dazed/concussed from the two hammer blows. Because I mean there's no way that the guy that can punch a Banshee out of the sky wouldn't have ripped Atriox's face off with that uppercut. Enamel is still nowhere close to how strong MC's punch is, it's just a goofy scene no matter how you try to justify it.
I have a feeling, just a hunch really, that you've put more thought into this than the people who made the cutscene. By rights, Atriox should have lost his jaw if nothing else. I get it, the Brutes are tough. I never liked how they've split up the narrative between games and books and things. I can't keep up and felt like the opening to Infinite was skipping over a lot of things. There were better ways to have the Chief and Infinity put out of action for a while or sent away from where the game takes place without bending the credibility of physics.
343 didn’t account for science, considering a headshot can kill the average brute with a single shot. A bullet has a greater chance of going through a skull than a fist does, but when the fist exerts that amount of force and doesn’t go through, doesn’t check out. Atriox had big plot armour. Hate how easily Chief lost to him. Chief would not have lost so easily. Atriox could have definitely beaten him, but not that fast.
A spartan ll uppercutted a brute in one of the books and broke its spine in half. So, for Chief to do the same to Atriox, and have it barely faze atriox before he counterattacks is fuckin' ludicrous.
I guess there's a lot less sensitive electronics and whatever in an MA5 series rifle, splash plasma damage doesn't seem to make any difference to it. But that makes me thing of all the times a spartan got hit with something like a hunter blast or went on an impromptu orbital skydive, their weapons and ammunition seems to be invincible.
Oh btw chief also hit him in his beard so it didn't actually hit him with 94.5 tons actually growing a beard while doing boxing and slapping competitions to dampen the hit is in the science its actually quite interesting so id say cheif actually hit monke with 75ish percent of what you actually calculated depends on the bone structure too and also how thick the beard is also can help but mostly being hit with that force should have killed axtriox realistically but whatever.
@@Blitzkrieg23honestly we dont know🤷🏻♂️. Who’s to know, atriox could be stronger than no stones thanos, and also, probably is bigger. Also iron man cap and thor could not defeat thanos, and i can tell as a fan of both franchises that cap and iron man are no threat to chief. Infinity war thor is definitely a tier stronger than chief, but endgame drunk thor? I actually think chief is stronger than the trio in endgame
My head canon is that Atriox has some kind of superbrute augmentations since he isn't part of the super purists Covenant anymore. They 100% have the technology to do so.
There is nothing wrong with this cutscene, shy of the ol "bad guy has the hero and doesn't kill them" trope. Pull your panties out of your ass and stop using your headcannon from the fanfic book lore 😂
That punch is the reason Atriox was so scared and angry when he realized Chief wasn't dead. He knew he wouldn't have the same level of plot armor next time.
@@daviddragonheart6798 Exactly. And now that I’m thinking about it, this makes the scene in the TV show where Master Cheeks solo’s 3 Brutes with hammers in close quarters while STOPPING AN OVERHEAD HAMMER BLOW WITH HIS RIFLE all the more insulting to fans of the main series’ timeline.
I think the final punch force of 40000lbs/18000kgs is a bit flawed. Sure he’s putting his weight into his punches, but using his entire bodyweight as the calculation is like saying his whole body is being launched at atriox. Correct me if I’m wrong tho
I mean im a moron, so take this with a grain of salt. But if chief uses every muscle in his body to jump into that uppercut, even if he just hits him with his fist and not his whole body, then all of that force is still applied. It has to go somewhere. And the only place it can go is that small area where is fist hits.
I think it makes sense they have stronger bones then people may expect. They are a warrior race that fought each other over chieftain status and i personal dont know alot about their culture but id think chieftain would be able to mate more frequently or get better access to females of the species passing down desired traits likes more muscle mass for a stronger brute and tougher bones to withstand their brutal fights and hunts. But thats my theory
One of the recurring themes when showing Sci fi themed stories is that an accurate portrayal of how devastating something would be is usually toned down for plot reasons. I'd imagine Spartans would be trained extensively in using their mass as a weapon in itself while in armor and probably would've developed their own martial art to take advantage of that fact. I'd reckon no matter how heavy atriox is he wouldn't be stationary after getting body checked by a 1000lb spartan. The mass times acceleration equation on that would launch most humanoids in the halo universe if the weights listed for them are correct. I also doubt 343 actually did the force calculations to accurately depict a spartan throwing hands with someone. I'd imagine a spartan or a brute hitting each other would send either one flying if they weren't braced due to their ridiculous strength to mass ratios.
I believe Atriox has Brute level sparten armor. Which would add weight and mass to his body for protection. I believe that is why he handled the situation well. The uppercut was just improper. jumping to add force to an attack is unreliable since any amount of force will overpower the zero amount of force supporting your body.
