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CHIEFTAIN vs IS-4M | 120mm L15A5 APDS Simulation | Armour Piercing Developments Vol. 3 

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The British L15 APDS round for the Chieftain's 120mm gun was the most powerful kinetic round NATO possessed between the mid-60's to mid-70's. The round featured a new tungsten alloy which eroded during penetration, drastically increasing performance against sloped armour. The general concept of an eroding penetrator is still a characteristic of all modern APFSDS projectiles.
While an IS-4M would be an exceptionally unlikely target for the Chieftain to face, its 140mm of RHA @61° is almost a direct match to the 'NATO Heavy Target', which could be penetrated at 2000 yards by L15A5. Therefore the IS-4M was chosen to calibrate the model for future simulations. The sim shows the round impacting at 59.7° (~0.3° fall + 1° from terrain)
It's not common knowledge, but the L15 has higher kinetic energy than most 125mm APFSDS projectiles, with over 7MJ. However a lot of this energy is wasted due to the steel shroud and thickness of the core.
IS4 armour: wotarmory.files.wordpress.com...
L15A5 design, geometry, penetration: forum.warthunder.com/index.ph...
IS4 Thumbnail credit: The War'tist
The model was made on Ansys

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@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 2 года назад
I find it amazing how much damage this round causes to the plate and the fact that has more kinetic energy than most 125mm APFSDS rounds. What target should I test it against next?
@risingSisyphus
@risingSisyphus 2 года назад
I'm always interested in impacts of kinetic projectiles against light armor at extreme angles. It used to be taught to angle your armor against incoming fire; nowadays, thin side armor isn't reliable against modern rounds and it's taught to face threats directly in order to not expose it. Could we see this round against a contemporary's side armor at glancing blow angles?
@peasant8246
@peasant8246 2 года назад
@@risingSisyphus I second this.
@maxkennedy8075
@maxkennedy8075 2 года назад
Maus frontal armour
@1337flite
@1337flite 2 года назад
Could you do some lighter rounds e.g. 30mm rarden or 25mm bushmaster against read tank armour or frontal ICV armour?
@rre9121
@rre9121 2 года назад
Battleship Iowa main belt plate 12.3" or whatever it was.
@risingSisyphus
@risingSisyphus 2 года назад
I'm always impressed by the comparison to real life ballistic patterns. Shows that your model is solid
@peasant8246
@peasant8246 2 года назад
Pun intended? :)
@sandrastone7644
@sandrastone7644 2 года назад
Indeed very impressive
@spytf2693
@spytf2693 Год назад
well you wouldn’t want your tank to be made of water would you?
@nakolulu411
@nakolulu411 6 месяцев назад
​​@@spytf2693speaking of water I wonder if MBT fills up their spaced armor with water if it could reduce spall and sharpnel,but then it would increase the weight by an unreasonable amount
@williammcdorman6426
@williammcdorman6426 2 года назад
As a former tank driver, this is why I slowly peaked over a hill, to many of these videos show the driver getting hit.
@dog11222
@dog11222 2 года назад
As a former Chieftain crewman, I totally concur, however it was a |Chieftain so it went everywhere slowly...lol
@FrothyBumSqueeze
@FrothyBumSqueeze 2 года назад
As a current War Thunder tank driver I do the same
@fatalcode4996
@fatalcode4996 2 года назад
@@FrothyBumSqueeze 🤣🤣🤣
@CarolusR3x
@CarolusR3x 2 года назад
First rule of a tank driver is to never proudly proclaim you're a tank driver. You're a stick technician until your TC tells you otherwise.
@stevenglikin3219
@stevenglikin3219 2 года назад
@@CarolusR3x dude, being a tank driver is badass, the only position that's sad is the loader
@patrykK1028
@patrykK1028 2 года назад
Remarkable accuracy in this test. The comparison with real world is amazing and gives so much credibility to all your videos
@ganndeber1621
@ganndeber1621 Год назад
How the hell do you know?
@ohslowpoke4720
@ohslowpoke4720 2 года назад
Would it be possible to test this same round versus some of the early spaced plate arrays like T64 or t72? But maybe at a slighty short range? 1500 meters or 1000
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 2 года назад
I definitely would like to, but the textolite/composite in these arrays will be hard to calibrate correctly. I will need to look for penetration test data for the T64/72
@ohslowpoke4720
@ohslowpoke4720 2 года назад
@@SYsimulations I agree but I would like to see it, both the 50mm X2 and the 80mm-20mm plus texo arrays would be a big curiosity
@ohslowpoke4720
@ohslowpoke4720 2 года назад
@@SYsimulations maybe a an interim you can use a later, all steel array like the early 1980s t72av
@miquelescribanoivars5049
@miquelescribanoivars5049 2 года назад
The Soviets performed proper tests of the L15A4 against the T-64A, penetration limit was reached at 500 meters in the turret, 1,000 m in the upper glacis and at maximum range in the lfp.
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 2 года назад
@@ohslowpoke4720 do you happen to have a source for the T72AV armour arrangement? I cant seem to find it
@lance_the_avocado9492
@lance_the_avocado9492 2 года назад
The IS-4Ms armor has always amazed me, it’s pretty thick…
@Britisher11
@Britisher11 2 года назад
This is really quite interesting and answers a question I had coincidentally planned to ask on your newest video no matter the content SY - the difference between APDS and APFSDS in terms of angled armour behaviour and why APDS deflects more like traditional solid shot with ricochets and the like, while APFSDS doesn't care much at all until its critical angle. I didn't know about the eroding vs fracturing and shattering difference, but this video makes it quite clear where that difference lies and how APDS started to evolve toward the type of armour interaction APFSDS has. Thank you for teaching me something new!
@flaviog.7628
@flaviog.7628 2 года назад
"We haven't nailed it! " "The target has been hit! "
@GordonMusliman
@GordonMusliman 2 года назад
Poor IS-4M. Tank armor really didn't age well after war with high velocity rounds and chemical rounds.
@liviuganea4108
@liviuganea4108 Год назад
It's a 1946 tank. It is not the era of the HEAT-FS. This is the Chieftain it's being tested against, a 1960s tank.
@tatotaytoman5934
@tatotaytoman5934 11 месяцев назад
its main issue was that it is too slow and heavy to cross bridges and keep up with planned soviet strategy
@samspeed6271
@samspeed6271 2 года назад
That was very interesting, particularly how close it is to the real life comparisons. That round has a lot of energy behind it.
@nightshade4873
@nightshade4873 2 года назад
this might be resource intensive, but is it possible to simulate a hesh round against an array of ERA?
@GordonMusliman
@GordonMusliman 2 года назад
+1 i always wondered the interaction between HESH/HE and ERA with pressure view. I wonder how the pressure of the ERA blast will effect the blast from HESH/HE.
@lorenzocampolucci4464
@lorenzocampolucci4464 2 года назад
@@GordonMusliman his rendering machine while reading this comment: "OH GOD PLEASE NO PLEASE"
@rolandlee6898
@rolandlee6898 2 года назад
What would the point of that be? The amount of explosives in ERA is small, to the point where it causes no effects on the vehicle itself. Its also off-set from the vehicle, so any impact detonation of HE would be equivalent to it detonating on a barrier akin to spaced armor. It would be hard to render with nothing to really show for it. ERA of any kind is hard to do unless you have a really powerful rig and lots of time. I hope one day we get to see HEAT or APFSDS on something like Kontakt-5, at least something is actually happening there.. Wasting that effort of HE is just silly. All you gonna see is the ERA plates getting vaporized.
@gotanon8958
@gotanon8958 2 года назад
Im pretty sure somebody actually did that.
@nawtynick9
@nawtynick9 2 года назад
I love watching these sims. Great idea to show real photos of damage for comparison as well.
@Emilator12
@Emilator12 2 года назад
Much appreciated for the commentary text in the video, I find it really interesting!
@thomasrichter7767
@thomasrichter7767 2 года назад
I realy like your videos and i think its amazing how they evolved over the last months
@user-xu2he5wc5f
@user-xu2he5wc5f 2 года назад
You finally updated it, in my lifetime
@a.t6066
@a.t6066 2 года назад
This is much updated simulation accuracy! Very good
@andyc3088
@andyc3088 2 года назад
I used to be a Chieftain gunner during the 1970s so fired many of these. The gunner sight had two scales one for APDS and one for HESH. Not me but it had been known for a gunner to fire an APDS round using the HESH scale and then the APDS used to fly lol.
@rfletch62
@rfletch62 2 года назад
Impressive match to the photos! Can you do an M-551 Sheridan's 152mm HEAT round against a T-72 (or T-80) front? 1970's era Sheridan, 3/12 Cav.
@amptechron
@amptechron 2 года назад
These sims are always so fascinating to watch, thanks!
@rare_kumiko
@rare_kumiko 2 года назад
Another idea, it'd be cool to see some APCR tests against angled armour. For instance American, WW2 era 76 mm APCR vs a Panther's upper front armour. ngl I just wanna see if it's as bad as in War Thunder, I'd assume it isn't.
@Sh-epard
@Sh-epard 2 года назад
That's the neat part, comparison with sim and IRL tests!
@ST-ly8uf
@ST-ly8uf 2 года назад
Can you make a video explaining how these simulations are done? Can you alter material properties?
@maxkeller102
@maxkeller102 2 года назад
This is so gnarly and satisfying to watch
@davido9208
@davido9208 2 года назад
I just found your channel. Great videos. I havent seen anything like it. However I wish they were longer and you talked about what we are seeing. Also can you design your own round?
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 2 года назад
Thanks, i add text with the videos to explain it; is it not enough? If so, what do you want to know
@ft3848
@ft3848 2 года назад
Hello! I want to know what equations of state and strength models and failure models you use. And what about erosion Settings? Are both geometrical strain and material failure required?
@yoshineitor
@yoshineitor 2 года назад
Try the IS-7 against the tanks of its time, people say it was unpennable from the front.
@comradesoupbeans4437
@comradesoupbeans4437 2 года назад
i'd love to see some shaped charge stuff from you, maybe some stuff against spaced armor too
@yasseralwash7127
@yasseralwash7127 2 года назад
This is amazing Thank you
@magnuscharette1132
@magnuscharette1132 2 года назад
Love these videos! I’ve always been curious about how tanks would fare against the US navy railgun, although idk if there’s enough data available to model it accurately
@boymahina123
@boymahina123 2 года назад
I've been thinking about it for a while, but how would a trailing-telescopic APFSDS made of hardened steel perform at a realistic velocity? If it performs well enough it might be a viable cheap alternative to conventional tungsten APFSDS
@TheInfamousMrFox
@TheInfamousMrFox 2 года назад
Some of those larger fragments were 1479c, not good for the crew. War Thunder: Hit. Nothing pierces Stalinium!
@Aes880
@Aes880 2 года назад
Err IS-4M armour is wet paper at that BR
@mr.waffentrager4400
@mr.waffentrager4400 2 года назад
It pens in WT too even with a3 apds , a5 apds was used in this video
@kobeh6185
@kobeh6185 2 года назад
I'm impressed the plate was able to resist even that much
@The.Drunk-Koala
@The.Drunk-Koala 2 года назад
The simulation and reality cross referencing makes this channel a more reliable source and just not a fabrication.
@rare_kumiko
@rare_kumiko 2 года назад
Hm, I wonder how older APDS (for instance from a Conqueror's L1 120 mm gun) would perform against the same plate.
@peasant8246
@peasant8246 2 года назад
No chance. Only the 120mm HESH round would.
@masonhidari
@masonhidari 2 года назад
@@peasant8246 it will go through though
@peasant8246
@peasant8246 2 года назад
@@masonhidari Conqueror's gun fired a first gen APDS shell, which had very poor performance against sloped armour. It was capable of defeating only about 120mm/60° at 1000yards.
@stormshadow4533
@stormshadow4533 2 года назад
Can you do something like a satchel charge against various parts of a tank (like a Tiger or smth)?
@onyx9943
@onyx9943 2 года назад
1:47 I love it when my shells drop the polygon count of the armor as it cuts through it...
@SanjuThaya
@SanjuThaya 2 года назад
So cool man
@lebo7132
@lebo7132 2 года назад
Hi, can you make a simulation of penetration the A-10 Warthog's GAU-8 ammo of rear tank armor? Cheers
@General_Griffin
@General_Griffin 2 года назад
What is the hardness rating for the steel plate used in this simulation?
@danielhertz7266
@danielhertz7266 9 месяцев назад
These simulations show all the material type and velocity etc of the ordinance being fired but not much info regarding the steel type being penetrated. There's a huge range of steel properties available to the target. Just curious how AR500, Astraloy V, Titus Endura, Hardox, 52100, and various super alloys like triple nickel alloys?
@philippey4918
@philippey4918 2 года назад
i am just wandering how much can a 5mm by 50mm apfsds penetrate ( i try to figure out the optimal caliber for a modern anti-tank gun)(serious question)
@Kazuya.Mishima
@Kazuya.Mishima 2 года назад
Beautiful simulation! Is it possible to simulate a t55 round hit mbt70 turret double spaced armor? That would be epic.
@Kazuya.Mishima
@Kazuya.Mishima 2 года назад
@Thomas Vavrusco ok
@LaVictoireEstLaVie
@LaVictoireEstLaVie 2 года назад
How long did this take to calculate the full solution ?
@WanderingShadow100
@WanderingShadow100 2 года назад
It would be great if there is also a simulation of same shell on Chobham armour or DU .... so we know the difference.
@a_tired_dad
@a_tired_dad 2 года назад
Coolest one yet!
@frozen-vz1zr
@frozen-vz1zr 2 года назад
love these sims!
@silenterection
@silenterection 2 года назад
What is the purpose of the “nose pad” shown in the first diagram? Dios it improve the normalization of the projectile?
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 2 года назад
Only slightly; its mainly to prevent the main core from shattering i think
@alexmercer3777
@alexmercer3777 2 года назад
Normalization is a myth; the cap is to reduce the chances of catastrophic failure (shattering) of the projectile. The "curved" path you see in many cross sections of angled armor is due to adiabatic shear bands causing the material to form a plug and hinge out, making it look like the round normalized.
@SirKingsize
@SirKingsize 2 года назад
Hi can you let run a Simulation of the Layer of the Super Pershing front Armor? (i know information to find is not easy) Can the 8.8 penetrade it from a distance over 500m 1km 1.5km? Thanks a alot nice work :)
@panharattanak8856
@panharattanak8856 2 года назад
Great velocity
@nathanenright3079
@nathanenright3079 2 года назад
Awesome
@davidplapla5510
@davidplapla5510 2 года назад
Im curious about flak 20mm vs sherman armor. About this video... are thise high expensive shells?
@daveybernard1056
@daveybernard1056 2 года назад
Boy, when 6" of well sloped armor isn't enough! It's no wonder composite armor came about.
@hytalefanboi7471
@hytalefanboi7471 2 года назад
Good video
@Will_CH1
@Will_CH1 2 года назад
Please redo the bob semple simulation showing 303 rounds going through the upper glacis of a tiger2. Of you change the uts to 5 MPa that should be sufficient.
@madmechanic7_797
@madmechanic7_797 2 года назад
this man's computer is on fire
@faulerfuchs1398
@faulerfuchs1398 2 года назад
Меня, как прочниста, очень радует сравнение результатов симуляции и реального обстрела. Мне было бы интересно увидеть симуляцию обстрела Тигра-2 из Д-25т.
@peasant8246
@peasant8246 2 года назад
Зайдет? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Crj7GKTNBSk.html
@faulerfuchs1398
@faulerfuchs1398 2 года назад
Да, благодарю
@pancracio1241
@pancracio1241 2 года назад
I love yor videos bro
@apersondath813
@apersondath813 2 года назад
i like how he uses m/s for velocity and for range yards...
@XxR4ULSW4GERMLG0429xX
@XxR4ULSW4GERMLG0429xX 2 года назад
Can you try L7 APDS vs IS-4M?
@HoBukoB
@HoBukoB 2 года назад
IS-4M was developed from 1944 to 1946, and the Years of production from 1947 to 1949 ...
@suspicioustomato253
@suspicioustomato253 2 года назад
What do you use to simulate this?
@blackcloud2746
@blackcloud2746 2 года назад
please make D-10T (BR-412B shell) VS Panther's front plate
@hakankosebas2085
@hakankosebas2085 2 года назад
how much time does it take to run sim?
@Kaylent56
@Kaylent56 2 года назад
Could you test WW 2 rounds at 1600m/s like apfsds to see how much more effective they would be?
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 2 года назад
they would shatter unfortunately
@peasant8246
@peasant8246 2 года назад
@@SYsimulations I thought they would penetrate in hydrodynamic regime, eroding like long rod penetrators. Of course, they would be much less efficient, but should still penetrate thickness up to, at most, their equivalent length, or about 2-3 calibers.
@95TBake
@95TBake 2 года назад
What software bro? Impetus?
@ARDEN440i
@ARDEN440i 2 года назад
Fatality to all crew or just driver?
@flipponator
@flipponator 2 года назад
What kind of computer specs do you have? I can imagine that you need a very strong processor and lots of RAM to do these simulations effectively
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 2 года назад
Just an Ryzen 5 3600 and 16gb... This maxed out the ram though
@andrasszekeres7752
@andrasszekeres7752 2 года назад
Hi. I wanna ask for a favor I making a cannon and I just wanna see that how good is the ammunition that I have designed! Can you help me?
@LeadFollower551
@LeadFollower551 2 года назад
Isn't the IS-4M upper plate like 200-250mm?
@usmc5977
@usmc5977 2 года назад
Please do the M1 A2 Abrams Turret vs Any Russian Armor Rounds
@user-xu2he5wc5f
@user-xu2he5wc5f 2 года назад
LED vs Abrams's Side armor,How's that?
@efanlemon9331
@efanlemon9331 2 года назад
Seeing the comparison to real life makes me want a simulation game on beamNG level for tank warfare
@ihatesovietderp2268
@ihatesovietderp2268 2 года назад
Can you try simulating a HEAT shell?
@sandrastone7644
@sandrastone7644 2 года назад
Is it possible to model the turret
@Mr0_0Gaming
@Mr0_0Gaming 2 года назад
Idk but maybe the different from simulation and irl is based on Battlefield situation(you know tank will always move and never stay in one place even for a tank destroyer)
@MegaJogus
@MegaJogus 2 года назад
What does 2000 yards mean? Can't you use the metric system?
@Momomaster25
@Momomaster25 2 года назад
2000 yards is roughly equal to 1830~ meters. Three feet make one yard, one foot is 30.5cm, the rest of the math can be done pretty easily from that.
@BobbyB1928
@BobbyB1928 2 года назад
Next do T-80B turret vs BM-22 apfsds.
@Sam_Hue
@Sam_Hue 2 года назад
Hmm, how about APCR?
@user-bs5hv4qr2t
@user-bs5hv4qr2t 2 года назад
Хочу посмотреть выстрел ис4 по чифтейну!
@bay_bal
@bay_bal 2 года назад
Неинтересно видеть непробитие
@bravo6233
@bravo6233 2 года назад
@@bay_bal ну корпус пробьёт точно, вот с башней интереснее…
@user-bs5hv4qr2t
@user-bs5hv4qr2t 2 года назад
@@bravo6233 Так в данных видео, только по корпусам и стреляют..
@santossteven97
@santossteven97 2 года назад
Please make: King Tiger 8,8 cm KwK 43 vs IS 2 Front Armor King Tiger 8,8 cm KwK 43 vs Pershing Front Armor
@surferofthesynthwaves4710
@surferofthesynthwaves4710 2 года назад
You'll be disappointed
@joenuts5167
@joenuts5167 2 года назад
Will got through
@FirehawkSHD
@FirehawkSHD 2 года назад
Idea: -AGM-114 R9X "Ninja" against WW2 tank - wrench sized kinetic orbital bombardment vs ww2 battleship deck (yamato, iowa, Bismarck) see how many layers are penetrated
@Sir_Godz
@Sir_Godz 2 года назад
i want to see modern IFV rounds 25-40mm, bushmaster- cv90 bofors go against WW2 armour. I know its dumb but wth right?
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 2 года назад
I'll be doing something like this but against a more modern target soon
@TuAFFalcon
@TuAFFalcon 2 года назад
Is nice!
@nighthawk6755
@nighthawk6755 2 года назад
A sherman plate and mg42 bullet like how many to pen
@sharkk127
@sharkk127 2 года назад
I wanted to see if this round is in war thunder and it's not, the closest 2 are either shot mk3 for the 84 mm 20pdr or l28a1, so maybe do a sim with one of those 2
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 2 года назад
It used to be in the game for Chally1 but a similar one can be found as L15A3 for the Chieftain
@sharkk127
@sharkk127 2 года назад
@@SYsimulations oh yea I forgot to have a look at the chieftains
@Owlzz_
@Owlzz_ 2 года назад
Request : A-10 thunderbolt II gun vs Russian MBT simmulation
@G.Davis67
@G.Davis67 2 года назад
I like your video s
@ft3848
@ft3848 2 года назад
Can you make a tutorial?
@cuteshadow
@cuteshadow 2 года назад
The comparison to real test foto/data is worth a lot. and done in reality. Even in multi-billion dollar car industry they smash cars to check the validity of their Simulations.
@95TBake
@95TBake 2 года назад
Software used please? Is it called impetus? I'm super curious!
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 2 года назад
Ansys
@95TBake
@95TBake 2 года назад
@@SYsimulations Yes, went to website but what exact product, I really appreciate the feedback as I'm trying to get into this technical area to grow my business...
@95TBake
@95TBake 2 года назад
@@SYsimulations LS dyna? Correct?
@user-bs5hv4qr2t
@user-bs5hv4qr2t 2 года назад
Покажите ИС против чифтейна. Пожалуйста.
@viktoriaalekseeva2552
@viktoriaalekseeva2552 2 года назад
Это очень спорно. Вам известны технические параметры сплава стали брони ис-4м? Сомневаюсь.
@fuckoff4705
@fuckoff4705 2 года назад
chieftain vs t64 upper plate?
@dictolory
@dictolory 2 года назад
i wanna see more comparisons to real life tests
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 2 года назад
I will when i can...
@dictolory
@dictolory 2 года назад
@@SYsimulations thank you
@rachdarastrix5251
@rachdarastrix5251 2 года назад
The thumbnail looks like someone tested a tank against a ballista bolt and the ballista bolt won.
@earlylifesection
@earlylifesection 2 года назад
is-4m my favorite tank
@Monkey_D._Gaddafi
@Monkey_D._Gaddafi 2 года назад
there is actually no round coming through, just a shrapnel mix of the round and armor
@iquillizer33
@iquillizer33 2 года назад
That APDS ate that armor fast.
@ghost57_40
@ghost57_40 2 года назад
Что это за программа/игра (не знаю)?
@normally1728
@normally1728 Год назад
Well, sloped armor, say no more
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