Great wisdom Dave and such sympathetic and inspirational playing - an absolute education. Thank you so much. For me, a great devotee of the swish and pang, 1 Barrett Deems, 2 Bosphorus and 3 Zildjian.
I bought the Zildjian Swish Knocker about 2004 on order from the US. The guys in the store played it before I went in and I had four offers to sell before I had paid the remaining balance on the cymbal! Another casual shopper offered to buy it off me in the store before I left. They all thought it was a crash cymbal. Should have seen their faces when I demonstrated how to play it as a ride, its intended purpose! I still have it; and it's still causing jaws to drop today. Get yourselves one, and yes, play lightly to fizz up the rivets. Joy!
Well played and explained, however, I will say that China cymbals of all sizes are excellent effects cymbals for both rock and metal (and extreme metal in particular) drummers and music. And they are hit very hard! Yes, there are China cymbals by various companies that are more jazz specific and are not made to be hit hard, on a consistent basis. I remember the first time I realized what one was when with Neil Peart (RIP). When he still endorsed Zildjian, he used a swish and Wuhan China (that Zildjian probably just overlooked since you know he WAS NP!). I remember hearing him playing songs and hitting them and it caught me. I had a 16" Wuhan in the 90s and I LOVED that cymbal! I got a great sound out of it. Regardless, though, very much loved Mr. Cutler's tasteful playing and explanation.
They all sounded pretty good. Imagine like he said they'll only sound good if you play them lightly. His grooves there were actually pretty good even though they were simple.
I got a 20" vintage A 'Pang' w/ rivets. ( I'm gonna say mid '70's at the youngest). I use it in a very loud, heavy music situation. I'll tell ya what? It just KICKS ASS!! All the 'Cawhhh' and 'Psshhh' one could hope for. Great attack. Dry and Icy. Just at home in a Metal group or a Jazz Trio, whatever.
I have a vintage 20" Pang w/o rivets. May be the most powerful cymbal I've ever heard-like a China with an hour of sustain. Bought it in a pawn shop in the 90's for 50 bucks. I love that thing.
What an anti-creative mindset. If music were comprised of people entirely like you, no styles would have ever evolved or morphed & we'd all be doing the exact same thing we were 50 years ago.
