These videos are fascinating. You make these various personality disorders easier to understand. These people are so scary! Thank you for posting these!
Bravo - a complex subject beautifully explained and produced! Your summary of Chris Watts' childhood, in which he was emotionally neglected, is perfectly illustrated by the photo album at 13:43. That child has a blank, glassy eyed expression in every single photo. Could it be any clearer that this boy's personality and individuality had been utterly crushed? His mother Cindy Watts was quick to brag about his youthful sporting achievements - this was surely an identity she hung on him like a costume, and would have hung on any son she had. Seems to me he learned at a young age that his true personality was of no interest to his parents - he had to be the son they told him to be. When the true personality is suppressed, as Chris Watts' personality was, it presumably stunts its development? In his thirties, he spoke like a teen, with his endless repetition of the word 'Like'. He was a husband and father, but seemed quiet and withdrawn around his family (I don't buy Shanann's home videos in which he played the doting dad, piggy-backing his kids, taking custard pies in the face, etc). To me he seemed more like Shanann's nerdy teenage son, than her husband and the kids' father. Chris Watts went from acting the role of the dutiful son, to acting the role of doting husband and father. Both identities were fake, and made him increasingly uncomfortable and resentful. I'm curious about Chris Watts' true perception of himself, both as a child growing up and as an adult. When he first realised his parents frowned upon displays of real emotion, and didn't want to hear his opinions, or nurture his individuality, he quickly learned to withdraw. This I imagine is how his quiet, apparently passive character began. To hide who he really was became a necessary security measure - and over time, it became a way of life. So did the young Chris Watts deduce from this that he was an inferior person, that his true self simply wasn't worth knowing? I would have expected such an upbringing to produce a man with low self esteem, who became a potential victim to a narcissist, echoing his relationship with his mother. But instead he turned into his mother, manipulative and self serving, seeing other people as there to be manipulated to his own ends and literally expendable when they no longer served his purpose. I guess Watts' anecdote to cops, relating how he had lied to his teachers about a trip to China, gives us a small glimpse into the psyche of the child he once was. Why did he tell that pointless lie, and get such satisfaction from being believed by the adults - and why did it clearly still thrill him today as a grown man?! To me it reveals something sinister - that he was beginning to flex his muscles as an arch manipulator, and see the power he could have to successfully present his own version of the truth. It was an early victory in 'getting away with it'. He continued to get away with a false reality his whole life, persuading family, friends and colleagues he was an all-round nice guy, loving husband and devoted daddy - when the truth was, his wife and kids could have all been hit by a car and killed in front of him, and he'd have struggled to squeeze a tear out.
@glamdolly thanks for sharing. I agree with a lot of this. In terms of your questions- not having your feelings validated can really stunt your emotional development and cause you to not trust yourself. The children of a narcissistic parent will grow up to become narcissists themselves or empaths. I did a video about this called 'How narcissists and empaths are created'
Wow! That was an excellent analogy! I agree with everything you said. Spot on. These cases are so complex and interesting. So sad and sickening too. If only the masks could be pulled off of these individuals in time to save the poor innocent victims of theirs. 💔
The absolute scariest thing in your videos for me is the realization that I married a man who fits EXACTLY this. Mine had a whole separate life. Divorce is almost final now. Thank GOD I got away from the web of manipulation. Just wow!
It is a frightening thing to learn. My mother was a narcissist, my ex is the same. It's taken so long, but am happier than ever before, aged 52. Hope all goes well.
Thank you! I have debated the difference between psychopathy and sociopathy. Many use the two terms interchangeably. I usually just say a sociopath will blend in society (because of the shame) where psychopaths can't blend in...Charles Manson was a psychopath...
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 TB creeped me out immediately after seeing pictures and video of him. I would have never even let him get near me in the first place. I would have never fallen for those crutches he used to lure women in to trust him. I could madness see in his eyes immediately. I'm more tuned in than most though. I am a victim/survivor of a violent crime at age 12, which almost resulted in my own death by strangulation. This was the result of my overt narcissistic bio mother's 4th husband. I would say this evil monster ran in the category of Overt Narcissist and psychopath. I knew right away when my bio mother brought him around me at the age of 11, that something was very wrong with him. He quickly became severely mentally abusive after she moved him in. Which is very detrimental to the mental health of a young girl entering puberty. He was psychically abusive to me one time after she married him too. He hit me on the side of my head and knocked me down, causing my earlobe to bleed. He accused me of eating one of his hoarded swiss cake rolls. To this day, if I even hear or see those things I get nauseous. I even begged her in tears not to marry him. She barely knew him too. Of course she never listened or cared what I thought. I was not her priority. It was always about her and the men. Still, she was very controlling of me, and it seemed she just wanted me around as someone to suffer along with, and go through her hell with her. This time her bad decision nearly cost me my life, and has affected my mental health tremendously. Anyway, sorry to go on and on with my life story, but I was just trying to relate this to living with narcissistic and psychopath type individuals, and immediately noticing a psychopath such as TB. Some people are more in tuned to those things. I think my childhood made me that way. I'm an empath myself. So many messed up individuals in this world. Sad... Thanks for listening to me ramble on.
I noticed that Chris Watts and Timothy Jones Jr. both made their first confessions of any murder to their fathers. This is interesting but I am not sure why! Maybe they felt an emotion when seeing and talking to a parent.
Sheryl B & Live Abuse Free - very helpful observations. I feel like I married someone very similar to CW and TJ and escaped through dumb luck, basically, and secured myself after some very deliberate planning with attorneys. His Dad was and still is, very kind. He loves his son despite some of his actions. His son (my ex) very much still resents his father. I wonder if the combination of unavailable mother and an unconditionally loving father enable the extreme behavior of the son? They know their Dads will forgive them for anything. I wonder if the dads carry guilt for the emotionally traumatic childhood that helps develop the narc. Either not splitting with the mother or by allowing her to be emotionally abusive, maybe these dads feel like it is partly their fault that the child became what they are? Would that make these Dads victims as well?
christar95 christar95 I just feel that my ex-FIL is a victim of the narc mom and his children. His father eventually split off from narc mom, and he seems full of regrets
My opinion is that Chris was getting rid of his family because that would please his mom. I bet he knew that his mother wouldn’t care if Shannan and kids really disappeared or they were murder by her son. She would be happy just because she doesn’t have to see them anymore. So, by getting caught Chris ridiculed himself and his mother may resent him, like he is so stupid didn’t do anything right. That is the reason he preferred to admit stuff to his father instead. But, what do I know... I’m learning here!
Wow. You are amazing in how you have explained these three men's psychopathic and narcissistic characteristics in an easily understood presentation. Simply fascinating. Thank you.
Kay Hoover ....Kay I love your Comment and couldn't agree with you more. She does a GREAT job in the way she explains things, and simply fascinating is EXACTLY my description. 🏆
@@barbarabrunson8605 Thanks you. It is always a delight to meet like minded people on a discussion forum, Barbara. We are fortunate to learn from this channel.
Sorry I didn't manage to post last week! I'll be posting again on Friday (since saying this I have missed the boat for Friday- sorry! It'll be Monday now). From one of the comments it looks like I made a mistake when I mentioned the number of children's bodies Chris Watts dumped into oil. He dumped the bodies of beautiful CeCe and Bella into oil and (previously unborn) Nico was found outside of his mother Shanann's body near by, under the soil. The statistics that Hare claims regarding psychopathic offenders come from Wikipedia so don't quote me on it! BTW he is also responsible for the electric shock experiment I mentioned in the video.
I love your videos. I have watched many videos on the subjects you talk about and I prefer the way you do yours. You do it in a relaxed down to Earth, realistic manner. I always end up feeling I learned something and have more insight into how the mind works.
Though I'm mentally ill myself, when I was 19 I joined the Army which had the effect of breaking apart a lot of bad neuro-pathways and rebuilding them with healthier mechanisms, including self-worth. It was the right time and the right method for me, and it coincided with my unspoken decision to permanently escape my family's negative influence.
"Psychology researchers generally believe that psychopaths tends to be born - it’s likely a genetic predisposition - while sociopaths tend to be made by their environment. " Not proven and we may never know.
@@polarbearsrus6980 - since one of the signatures of a psychopath mentioned in this video was a lack of normal fear responses and failure to be disgusted by gore, it’s possibly genetics that are made more prominent by experience? Like, you and a family member both have antisocial genetic dispositions and you learn from them how to be an antisocial/psychopathic adult. You learn from someone who experiences similar reactions, as some primary guardians are “normal” people? Maybe it’s just the inability to feel fear normally, which would leave you without the fear of social rejection(which primates need as social animals) and without the worry of consequences (from injury or actions)? I feel like everything I wrote was redundant and wrong, so there’s that.
Live Abuse Free Great Job on another video! I now understand the task & work involved in producing as my friend ZAV GIRL also is really good at producing. I do have a question w regard to a Sociopath/Psychopath, or even Narcissists; HOW do you recommend that a child handle behavior of a parent/guardian, God-forbid, IF they are given visitation w these monsters?
Even though you talk about pretty serious subjects, I'm instantly happy when I see one of your videos. You have a very captivating way of telling things ... and a lovely smile. By the way, gender differences in psychopathy might be material for a future video. Anyway, keep it up!
I so appreciate your content, as so many of us seem to. The stress and tension we feel being brought up by a narcissist is so difficult to understand as a child, and during our teenage years. I had issues with self harm, addiction, as we were never valued in the way we needed to be. I find myself nodding along with your videos, the revelation of narcissists being misogynists no matter the gender was very helpful. Thanks.
@@christar9527 Hi! I'm sorry you went through that, it's hard to explain how debilitating it is, and when we self harm we feel bad, get prescribed things to "help" or discover something to kill the pain, then we are shamed by society. Yes I'm a now 52 year old woman, the youngest of 6, my sisters and I all had different roles while one of my brothers was the golden child. It's interesting that the eldest is a boy but he obviously didn't fix the hole within my mother so it was the last boy she chose to use for her worsening issues. She was about to have a hysterectomy when she found she was pregnant with me apparently. I'm re-watching all these videos as I learn and recognise more. I don't know where you are on your journey but things get better, the hard work is worth it. 💕
Love your summaries. In the Timothy Jones case, Amber said Timothy was the first to leave the marriage, turned off the power and gave her no money. She had to take him back as he held all the cards. Both he and Chris Watts were happy to put out lies about their wives.
I'm going to have to listen again (not a problem) because 3 people, 3 possible diagnoses, disagreements between experts, phew what a tangle! Anyway, what is clear is that there are common red flags (e.g. not able to take responsibility, no remorse) so I am amazed that professionals within the justice system keep coming up with the wrong diagnoses. For example, I hear Chris Watt's has been diagnosed with dependency personality disorder by his prison psychologist and several of the people who worked with Tim Jones testified he was schizophrenic. My thoughts on this are that these criminals are master manipulators, aren't psychologists prepared for that?
Yes, I'm surprised by how unprepared they can be, like when they decided the black taxi rapist had suddenly turned into a reasonable and nice guy who should be released, after police believe he assaulted over a hundred women.
Thanks again, you do a very good job, to educated us between a sociopath and a psychopathe, you are so precious again....I really like your videos. ( just do not forget about cours in the future ) 💕
I always enjoy your videos thank you... My doctor told me that my ex was Sociopath, she said that they are very dangerous, and was glad I wasn’t with him anymore.. My doctor was saying that not all Sociopaths are killers either.. Very much a con man, he is and still is a police officer of 34 years, use to try and show me photos of dead people in car accident.. awful.. He never knew how to love, and always said there was a fine line between a police officer and a criminal.... from Australia 🇦🇺.
Teela Tequila you are so right, i was with this man for 13 years we have twin girls together.. I have a daughter also from my first marriage,she was ten years old when we met. He was lovely when we started dating, then after a few years, and after the twins were born, he became very controlling and very abusive to me and my oldest daughter, she hated him..I believe he cheated on me throughout our marriage, and now I believed he left his first marriage to be with me...He left me to be with another women, that only lasted two years.. He still wanted to be my friend, I said no way do I want anything to do with you.. Thank god the twins have grown up now....
Also Teela, it’s funny when I look back to my first marriage..My first husband was the same controlling and abusive too, but he wasn’t a cheater.. Then there was a time, when I had to have two police officers to go back to the house with me, to pick up my daughter because my husband wouldn’t give me my daughter... You wouldn’t believe this while I was in the middle of all this going on, one of the police officers pull me aside.. He said this to me... If you don’t go back with your husband, I would like to Take You Out and he gave me his police card with his name and phone number on it.... OMG How was that ? It’s funny when I found out my second husband was a policeman I said to him if you ever cheat on me I am out of here... 🤔.
Teela Tequila, yes I understand where you are coming from, I am the same.. I have dated a few men since and I do like being on my own with my pets better, don’t have all that control they want to put on us.. Just love being on my own, I have had enough of men.. Having a Convert Narcissistic Mother doesn’t help either, she is still going strong at 96 years old and she lives on her own since dad died 16 years ago.. I have just gone no contact with my mother after 63 years, just had enough of her controlling ways too !! So sick of them, they are everywhere you are right...🤔.
All psychopaths are Narcissists, but not all Narcissists are psychopaths. Therefore wouldn't a psychopath have the ability to feel shame as that is what professionals say is at the core of Narcissism? Very confusing.
If it's really true that a psychopath feels no shame, then they'd be a narcissist in terms of their behaviour but the reasons behind their behaviour could be in some ways different.
Whatever the issue all those people are capable of unimaginable evil. We should learn and teach our children too to recognise the red flags and walk away from anyone like this.
Moneca Savoie I don’t think I would either to be honest, in his interviews I thought he seemed off, but don’t think I’d have noticed anything strange about him if I had met him in everyday life, that’s quite scary .
There are many reasons why the Watts case has fascinated me so much and continues to do so. One of the things about Watts is that he has a very high opinion of himself. Just the act of doing those TV interviews and that he went into his interviews with the FBI all happy and cooperative suggests that he felt he could fool everyone by playing the part of the caring and doting husband and father. The other thing that stuck out to me in his February prison interview was a bit of a delusion of grandeur on his part. Not the outlandish delusion where a prisoner thinks he'll have the warden in his back pocket or that he's such a badass that he'll have the other prisoners kissing his feet, but rather Watts said maybe he could be a counselor to other inmates someday. Maybe with his newfound faith other prisoners would come to him for spiritual guidance. Imagine that: A man who killed his pregnant wife and two little girls thinks he can give life and spiritual advice? It's the kind of thing that made me feel he really did believe his persona. He was, and is, high on himself.
You look like a cute peachy complexed freckle-faced girl with a beaming smile. I adore you and your informative videos, you teach quite well. Thank you. PS you make people want to smile back at you with that tender approach.
Another wonderful video explaining the terms sociopath and psycopath! I am looking forward to the next video that involves you personally with a narcissist!
Thank you, for expounding upon the Sociopath and psychopath debate. I think that Sociopath was used more loosely in the past before the Narcissistic character became a more popular explanation for particular negative behavior. I am glad you debunked the classification of Psychopaths are born, and Sociopaths are created. I still believe that is a dangerous assessment. Once again, thank you for your valuable and informative content. :)
I agree. There are psychopaths that are functioning on websites like quora, and they have done interviews and asked questions and stuff, and they tend to all think it's a thing you are born with. I tend to think genes or womb environment could be a factor but not the end all be all. Sometimes babies just not being held or comforted at all grow into psychopaths- there definitely seems to be a nuture element. i also notice these psychopaths and narcissists as well on websites talking about their experiences, that people tend to really believe everything they are saying as total truth and honesty, and I also think this is very dangerous as some of the defining characteristics of those disorders are arrogance and manipulative behavior. I've seen them say things like, if everyone in the world was a psychopath, the world would have no crime, the world would be a better place, etc., - as though emotions are the root of all evil. If that was the case, then why are 50% of very violent criminals psychopaths and narcissists?
@Live Abuse Free Watts' mum said he would lock himself in a room, kneeling in prayer. She said he did this numerous times, and wouldn't tell her why he was asking God to forgive him. Or for what he needed forgiven. What's that about?
I am only 8mins into this, so forgive me if I am jumping ahead. However, some of the traits you have described such as lack of fear/being overcome by stress and an ability to handle what most would consider gruesome sights. Sound like they can be considered beneficial if not expected in some professions. Such as surgeon, soldier, firefighter, police etc etc. Am I wrong? Thanks for another video!
One observation about CW, you mentioned the mask.... how I think his looks changed once the mask was off. In the earlier videos he looked good, normal. I don’t think he’s good looking but I could see what SW may have seen in him. Once he was losing that mask, his appearance changed. Even from when he was on the porch taking to the media he appeared as “normal”. When the police footage was viewed, especially at Nates house viewing the footage of him loading the bodies, visibly UGLY! The difference is obvious and super creepy. Love your videos. 🤗
Keep sharing your video's so people can get educated. I so love seeing those criminals in prison uniform, it just makes me feel all fuzzy inside knowing that they will be locked up.
God bless your ability to speak so calmly about M these evil demon-like beings. How many more children (and usually) women have to die, be abused, be emotionally damaged for life, etc., before something is done about these animals? (I have zero sympathy for a narcissistic, sociopath or psychopath. I do not care anymore how they got that way. They do not deserve empathy, IMO, because they prey on the vulnerable. This viscous cycle must be stopped.)
IMO The incident over the nut allergy doesnt show lack of empathy.Lack of empathy would mean Cindy would be unaware of what the child or the childs mother would feel. The nut incident shows sadism or Psychopathy .Ie she does know that her actions, if caught out on time, would cause distress to the mother ...and if they werent found out then the child would die. This was a deliberate act for the purpose of causing suffering ... posibly punishing Shannan , possibly letting shannan know who was in control and keeping her in her place through fear. It would seem that Cindy has no regard for the feelings or the LIVES of others.
What honesty upsets me most, is was happened with Watt’s and Jones’ thought process after the murders. What they did with the disposal of the bodies. This point, being so horrific on top of the murder s themselves. I cannot fathom someone driving around with the bodies of my dead children in the car for several days and of course the oil tanks with Watts. This seems to stand out for me, it’s not “just” a murder. I’m having trouble even finding the words to describe what I’m asking. Is it complete detachment? I’m mean both of the men went way beyond “typical” murder and body disposal. Especially for Jones’ children. The decomposition, the look of the children, the horrid smell. How could someone stand those factors? Why in God’s name would anyone deliberately choose to do that? How does one’s psyche contend with the decomp ? It would be a reminder every time you’re getting in and out of your car, how does anyone’s brain handle that reality? Is it only a matter of one being psychotic or does this act surpass even that? I hope someone can makes sense out of what I’m trying to ask here. It’s not just your typical murder in play here.
I've just recently been learning about Chris Watts & his case. This has taught me a lot about narcissism, I wasn't even aware that a covert narcissism exists. I think this is an important thing for many people to understand, whether we personally know one or not. This channel has become my favorite! Thank you for making a complicated subject so easy to understand!
Timothy Jones maybe killed his four other children because he knew he'll go to prison and he didn't want his wife to have the four other children...it was maybe revenge on her because she left him..
In my opinion I think we spend too much energy trying to find the right definition for some of these criminals. Sometimes it’s just easier to label evil as evil. I think that given the right set of circumstances a narcissist can become a sociopath and a sociopath can easily transition to a psychopath. What we really need to concentrate on is trying to spot some of these personalities without getting too personally involved with them. You can’t fix these people, so it’s best to just avoid them.
In this video, you mention at one point that Chris Watts couldn't look at his parents during the trail. The implication possibly that he was feeling shame. But in the picture shown he looks extremely angry, so angry he can hardly sit still with his leg bouncing all over. It seems as if he was so angry because his true self was exposed for every one to see. He might have thought that by confessing, he would not have to sit through all this type of emotional pressure, and was very angry that things did not go as he planned. He did not have time to make a mask to deal with this experience, and the only way he could think to hide his inner rage was to keep his head down.
In a way - who cares? BUT... I'm wondering if the potential for these traits had some benefit during evolution of our species, and so were genetically preserved. Say, in a tribe, if resources (food, shelter, etc) were stressed, or the tribe had been decimated by another tribe, so that care of young became minimal, the best survivers may be those that detached emotionally, could travel to more productive areas, and have no qualms about violence, destruction, or whatever it took to get their needs met as they went. It's also pissing me off that child (mental & physical) protection isn't paramount in our modern societies. Financial resources are often way too low in this area. These three gentlemen ;) are repugnant. Among the worst of the worst. And still society spews them out. What about all those abused/neglected children who are just miserable and dysfunctional WITHOUT affecting 'norms'? When is society going to prevent the tortured nature of their journey through life?
@@LiveAbuseFree oh, that is depressing. i can't see that leading to a happy planet! especially if narcs are fuming with rage, not even they are content. let alone all the other species that aren't a part of our human shenanigins.
Psycho men my god - by the billions out there typical what you get - learn to live alone and love yourself - 4get a relationship with men - have a relationship with yourself
I am going back and bingeing on all of your videos because I just love them! You give a very well thought out and educated opinion about these cases. Thank you so much for doing this and I hope to see so much more in the future! ♥️
Something that I'm curious about is why we (people in society) feel so strongly that we need to distinguish between psychopath and sociopath and antisocial personality disorder. It's like we all have a general feeling that there are different types of very dangerous disorders that are antisocial, and we have a general feeling that they involve 'someone who, unbound by normal human emotion and morality, commits great harm.' Why do you think it's so important to so many people to say, 'Definitely yes. This person is a psychopath. Or sociopath'? Instead of what you generally do, which is super helpful, and say more generally, "This person exhibits these narcissistic or psychopathic behaviors."
I think it’s because the terms have been so ingrained in the public conscious that it’s recognizable, despite the terms being so muddled. People also like to neatly categorize things and find patterns, so someone has to be either/or to make something as complex as the human psyche seem more simple. So, you see patterns of behavior occurring throughout well-known (violent) cases and it becomes something beyond a psychological term/diagnoses. You hear autism and might think of a singular mental image of what autism looks like, but there are vastly different extremes (high/low functioning), behaviors, and needs exhibited by autistic individuals. But to have such variation makes “autism” by itself an ineffective term that tends to be received as one expression of autism. A truly mangled comparison: Cancer is out of control cell growth, but not every cell is a cancerous cell, and tumors can behave differently; certain behaviors are antisocial, but not every antisocial behavior is conclusive (just indicative), and not everyone with antisocial tendencies behave the same way.
Another interesting video. Kind of hard to absorb that much information. These three guys clearly have their differences. However, with Frazee---the whole control he had over his accomplice gf seems almost sexual. Same might be said of Jones. I'm guessing both these guys might have had deviant behavior in the bedroom. Frazee's arrogance I'm sure will show in how the defense is portrayed. Deep stuff. Keep it up please. 👍👩
Quick question if you have time: When these men cry, do they feel genuine emotion for other people or is it always sadness at the exposure of their deviant behavior?
I wonder why there seems to be so many men who come under these categories? Also they seem to attack or take out their rage etc on women and children... not so much other men. Are there any studies on family genetics and if these types of people run in families... so fascinating. Thanks for another great video.
@@marys3127 Cowards that they are, it's thought that male and female sociopaths are misogynistic. Hating the feminine is hating the soft and nurturing would cascade to the sweet innocence of children. I believe its so confounding that they want to annihilate out of jealousy.
She might have had a bigger role and misrepresented what occurred to retain her freedom/reduce her punishment. We hear nothing from FP and so much Crystal says seems to come out of a comedy of errors. Just too unbelievable that she merely cleaned up his mess. But he also showed anger management issues over the years. We'll have to wait for the trial.
I'm strongly considering going to school for psychology when I can afford it. I don't exactly want to be a psychologist- I just truly enjoy learning from your videos! Did you learn all of this in school Live Abuse Free??
Great video, great insight on everything. I wanted to write why I think Chris Watts doesn’t feel emotions in a normal way. Things that give this away for me, was things like he googled “how does it feel when someone says I love you.” Also, when asked by FBI, CBI to explain “how he feels” about any subject, he will instead explain the situation and what the reality of it looked like. Like, when he was asked “what did you feel when you saw SW and your kids at the airport after 5 weeks?” He went on to describe how the airport looked, his walk from the gate to his family etc. He couldn’t explain anything he “felt” in this situation even when asked repeatedly, because he apparently doesn’t feel. When he was asked how he’s dealing with his family being “missing” before anyone knew what he did, he would describe a routine dinner time in his house before this happened, and what that looked like instead of how he feels about it. It’s like he has a mask and can mimic most things, but he can’t articulate or mimic emotions cause he doesn’t understand them or know what to say. It’s crazy to me that people walk around this world without emotions. It confuses me too cause he feels attraction to his mistress right? Isn’t that an emotion? I don’t really get it.
I think they feel also a lot of frustration/jealousy(not shame) about being unable to feel connected to people??Timothy for example..maybe he wanted the kids to love him as much as they love their mom,but he is just not sympathic and caring enough!!what do you think?
I really do appreciate your content, however, it is my opinion that Crystal committed the murder. Her story doesn’t add up, and frankly it just doesn’t make sense that she would drive hundreds of miles away to clean up a crime scene because she deeply feared him. If she feared him, why didn’t she, instead, call 911 and report it right away? It’s contradicting in and of itself. From my gathering, she was infatuated with Frazee and desperately wanted to be with him, and seemed to me to be a jealous type.
I too wonder about that on who actually committed the crime. It seems like one would not be so scared to put themselves into a murder to help him. Its just such a bizzare case really. Will be watching the trial in October
Another fantastic video! Thanks for presenting this material in a way that is easy to understand. I agree with the other posters, you are very beautiful and intelligent!!!
There was an interesting article about male narcissistic rage in the Toronto Star that touched on all of the points made in these videos, and connected it to societal trends that are contributing to how prevalent narcissism is becoming: www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/11/04/jian_ghomeshi_and_the_problem_of_narcissistic_male_rage.html The article came out when Canadians were doing their own soul searching about the epidemic of male violence against women after the Jian Ghomeshi affair.
thank you! x It does seem they are but it may just be that the media just tell us about more than before, we seem to hear about almost every single disturbing thing that happens all over the world now!
I see shame in two different ways. If I ever inadvertently hurt someone I feel shame and guilt. None of these 3 men felt that kind of shame. Although Watts, after failing the polygraph and was forced to confess, appeared to feel some shame about how he disposed of his childrens bodies. He was reluctant to disclose that part. He tried to blame Shannan for their murders because he felt some shame about what he had done and didn't want the investigators to think any less of him, but had felt no shame at actually carrying out the murders. His shame was around what people thought of him, not shame and guilt over what he did. I don't think Jones felt shame, he just felt anger and was going to punish his wife and the children for her contradicting him. He knew he had been caught out and seen for what he was. His wife had seen beneath the mask. You'd have to be pretty shameless to commit any of these terrible acts. Jones knew what he was doing to the children was wrong, which is why he kept them isolated from the outside world, from other people. He was never kind or nurturing to them and didn't care but didn't want other people to see that. My ex husband could be just as cruel and he felt no shame either, except when I stepped in and made it clear to him that he was abnormal. Ripped his mask off. He could fool other people but he couldn't fool me. This made him angry and dangerous, but he felt no shame. Pyschopaths don't care what others think of them, they think they have everybody fooled. They don't like it when people see through them because it means they haven't perfected their "act" of being a normal person. But feel no shame about who and what they are. Thats just how I see it.
Thanks for another interesting comment Juanita! :) I think I'll do a video about shame versus guilt. I agree that neither felt shame about the murders. I think CW only felt shame about how he disposed of the bodies because of what others would think of him. I think TJ felt shame when he was criticised but not about the murders he committed.
My ex hated anytime I shamed him for something he did wrong. He would always twist it around to make himself look like a hero and just be absolutely disgusted with me that I was calling him out on whatever it was.
@@juanitarichards1074 Mine was much more controlled, it was almost like every emotion he had was fake except for his glibness and his irritation/disgust. I never saw him really lose control, but I would see this mask come off, and it was like this empty person. In fact, when I first met him he stared into my eyes so blankly and was mumbling to me about who he was, that it made me feel really uncomfortable and my legit first thoughts were: Oh, my god, this guy is a real psychopath. It's confusing to me because in the beginning of our relationship (and I know he does this with other women, he has a very clear system, because I've seen him do it) he would cry and tell me how vulnerable he was and how much he loved me, and it was all so much, so fast, but I also felt so swept away in the magic of it all. But I also felt like if I ever said no to anything or displeased him in anyway then he would lose all interest in me, in a snap, and he would, on and off, so hot and cold, and it was always my fault or at least I felt like it was, and that feeling was so horrible and made me feel desperate to keep him. He even had this older homeless man move into our bed for a while and he didn't even ask me and I went along with it. He had him to favors for him a lot. Its confusing because I don't know if those feelings he ever had were fake and maybe I was just more into him than he was into me. He projected all the time though. Super projector I used to call him. I've never seen someone project so much. And he also said, "we' a lot instead of 'I'.. like aren't 'we' this or isn't 'our' life like this. etc.
@@juanitarichards1074 Another weird thing about him projecting, is he would think other people were being inauthentic and fake all the time! it was one of his biggest annoyances. He thinks of himself as a philosopher/guru, even right now he is holding gatherings where people gather in a circle and listen to him go on and on, and there are other people there offering yoga classes and stuff. When I would sometimes tell him I was fed up with him, he would accuse me of being fake, even when I was in that moment of anger, and one time when I said, fuck you, he said, okay, that's real. lol. I don't think he is as violent or as dangerous as your ex though. but I do think he has a path of destruction, of hurting women in a way.
This is becoming one of my favorite channels. I'm seeing your videos pop up almost every time i'm researching a story and I always appreciate the way you explain things simply. Also love the accent! Thank you for sharing the history of "psychopath" vs "sociopath".
Thank you so very much for discussing the classification history and differences between psychopathy and sociopathy. You would make a great professor ! So CW traits fall between a psychopath and sociopath where as PF traits fall into psychopathy. Perhaps these traits are on a continuum or umbrella with one extreme severe and the other less severe? Psychopathy can be a more severe form of sociopathy with more symptoms. All psychopaths are sociopaths but sociopaths are not all psychopaths. These guys all seem to have narcissistic personality disorder in addition to antisocial personality disorder (DSM-5) . HARE Psychopathy Checklist is a bit more difficult to apply. Well it just goes to show that it is hard to make diagnoses when you don't have all the information. Thank you again for all the work you put into this informative and educational video. You are the best!
Thank you for another thought-provoking video!:) I have always wondered what would have happened in Chris's life if everything had gone his way? Would he have still killed someone eventually, once he didn't get his way? What if his parents liked and supported SW and attended the wedding? What if SW did not want any more children and started saving money, like removing the girls from the expensive daycare, so they wouldn't face bankruptcy again? What if she told Chris she wouldn't fight him for custody and would divorce him so he could be with NK? Would his pathological brain have shown itself in his behaviour in future, on other, unrelated issues? There's still a part of me that, despite all we know, still does not understand exactly why he did this; what drove him.
As an American, I am ashamed all three men you speak about are Yanks. I think their horrendous crimes have links to our healthcare system. Shanaan Watts returned to her husband, despite his erratic behavior, because his insurance was better and that was a consideration given she was pregnant. Less familiar with the other cases but Timothy Jones Junior appears to have grown up in extremely troubled circumstances.
Thank you so much for explaining these disorders in such a clear and understandable way! By the way...I love your cushions. Cats and owls are my favorite animals. 😺🦉
@@LiveAbuseFree Ha ha...that's true, but I'm not sure if a real owl would really feel vulnerable next to a cat. I've also seen special friendships between the two species ( e.g. the story of Fum and Gebra)...
@@CWB1962 Oh haha! Maybe a real one wouldn't then! I'm going to have to type those names into youtube now, this sounds like wonderful entertainment! :)
Thank you yet again for your insights and professional analysis of these issues. You are and continue to be invaluable at looking at these hideous murderers. I guess the question is what is ‘normal ‘ because we all have traits of some things that help us as humans, survive ... a bit of a rhetorical question I know but somewhere and somehow these murderers wiring went off the scale . One cannot comprehend the level of depravity going on in their psyche. So glad you are on here Zoe thank you you have helped me personally enormously.
