I struggled with leaving Christianity for nearly 60 years feeling like I was the only one. These opportunities to find others who escaped is very important. The emotional bonds are the hardest, at least for me.
You said you had a goal to create content where you discuss the Egyptian and Greek influences on Christianity, the references in the NT to Enoch, etc. did you make that content? All I find are interviews which tend to have a lot of fluff and kind of ramble.
What book would you suggest for someone to read that explains the similarities between ancient myths and Christianity? I know you mentioned one but did not get the name and am not sure where it was in this video. Thanks!
Christianity creates the illusion that you are imperfect, and therefore require a supernatural being to rescue you from yourself, because you are imperfect, and can't seem to shake off your sinful nature. What kind of god punishes you if you don't believe in him and sends you to dwell in everlasting torment for all eternity? But he loves you!
Do you get deeper into the source material that convinced you that Christianity was derived from mythology? I see what you are saying but would like to see it for myself from the sources.
For some time, I have been saying/writing that, in time, Christian Mythology will take it's place alongside Greek Mythology, Egyptian Mythology, Norse Mythology, Roman Mythology, etc, etc. Glad someone else is thinking along those same lines. We all love reinforcement!
@@greganderson2239 If you learned in your krystchun hom skool that the US was "founded on Christian principles," you are seriously ignorant. Need ta git yerself som edumication.
You've got this, Tim! YOU ARE going to be able to do this full-time and help humanity phase out of mythologies. Our race needs to grow up and ascend out of this. Thank you for sharing your story and your work.
I am 42y Polish guy and I had to put a little more effort to understand everything you said but I can assure you, I did not skip a second of this video. All I can say is Thank You! Thank you for sharing your story and being so honest with me. I just can't believe that there are people with similar stories. My eyes opened only a few years ago, paradoxically at the moment when I started reading the Bible more seriously, the Old Testament in particular.Same questions raised with no answers from other "serious" christians. In my eyes, they are all scared of such critical thinking. They just want to believe no matter what.These are all amazing people but still...
I noticed when I was a Christian that belief in the Bible creates this kinda self hatred that is unmatched. You’re always trying to live up to this perfect gods standards and seeking his forgiveness because of your evil nature. That’s what really broke me, keeps you on a hamster wheel of seeking magic mans favor and looking down on anyone who isn’t a Christian.
It makes you a misanthrope which in recent years I’ve come to conclusion. A Misanthrope is a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society. That’s what they are even though they’ll debate this since they are over these organizations to give back to you if you need food, rent assistance, etc. I feel most do this stuff because it’s to seek a high favor from their version of ‘God’. The Bible makes you hate humanity & makes you hate being human. Look at all the stories of rape, genocide, slavery, human sacrifices, etc. reading that sick stuff will make you justify your hatred of other human beings. That’s why they’ll use those passages to justify their judgements or hate of other people.
Agreed, I'm not sure there's a way to be a Christian without intense self-hatred. We are literally paying with our time and money for someone else to verbally and psychologically abuse us.
Thanks for the personal, passionate and humble testimony! I went through the same desire for truth. It costs me mental and emotional stress, a lifetime of close family ties and friendships. Lost years, I'll never get back. Nevertheless, the joy of the truth in my soul now, was worth every god damn penny of agony, uncertainty and fear. My friend now is me and my communion is with truth and freedom from the vicious mind prison of religion. Congratulations on your couragous prison break.
Twelve minutes in, and I can't stand this crap anymore. It is like the ramblings of an idiot who talks to light poles. A sickening reminder because I was like that! I am so pleased that Tim escaped the world of make-believe or, in the words of Dr Pete Boghossian, Pretending to know what we do not know.
I just showed my wife your segment on the Jericho story. Your heartfelt way of sharing that story is invaluable to opening people's eyes to the horrors and injustices of that Book 📖 Well done Tim 👍
@@nanmartin7324 She responded very well. If you can get him to at least listen it's a planted seed if nothing else 🙏 Truth does not fear investigation 🕵️ I myself am a former fundamentalist Christian and I had to sincerely question things like when Jesus told a group of his followers that some of them wouldn't die before his second coming. Also in Mark 13, Matthew 24 and Luke 21 that the generation who saw the temple destroyed (70 AD) wouldn't pass away before his return. There are many other problems of course but I found it best to use the Bible itself to break someone's programming. It's not easy because many are held in chains by FEAR not Love ♥️ Fear is a tremendous tool used against us Peace and Love to you ♥️
I like hearing other people's deconversion story. For me, once I concluded the creation and fall of man myth wasn't factual, everything else fell apart. Then I started seeing the things you mentioned with a new set of eyes.
You give the best gospel presentation. I almost became a christian again. You also have the best deconversion story and explanation on the internet. Thank god for Numbers 31.
They had good scribes, too. Borrowed from earlier civilizations , Homer & other ancient authors. .. whose stories were tweaked through the ages. And when repeated over time by a believer soon becomes the truth.
I’m glad you speak out against circumcision. It needs to be spoken against more often. I will NOT circumcise my future sons, because it’s not necessary and it’s his body.
When I had my first son, 21 years ago, the midwife had a form already filled out with "consent" to mutilate my child, all i had to do was sign it. I was nearly physically sick. WTF??? How many women, in the immediate post-natal blur, signed it? I have no idea. Only 2 years later, when my second son was born (same hospital) the practice had been abandoned. Thank the gods.
Before mothers sign a form of consent to mutilate the child's genitals, they need to ask themselves how they would feel if their parents did the same thing to them when they were a baby. We are all, rightfully, horrified at the thought of female circumcision but male circumcision is horrific too.
I've been an atheist for 41 years. It took studying the KJV Bible in my catholic high school when I realized it was all based on what I term horse shit. And so that brought the questions out. . And this was about the same time as the abuse scandal started and the church was covering it up. That shot all their credibility to shit. Then I realized I valued my Sunday mornings and so walked away from Catholicism It's also when I found out what the Nicean council of 325CE was about - that's when they decided the issue of the triune god. Seriously. And there were many many councils over time to hash out the inconsistencies of the Bible.
The Catholic Church long ago lost her credibility as an institution for teaching human sexual morals, with the increasing revelations of scandals involving pedophile priests.
I totally get your aha moment with the Jericho story. I had a similar one when it just occurred to me during church that we were glorifying a human sacrifice and partaking in cannibalistic rituals. I sympathized with the humanity of Jesus too much and felt horrified and sick to my stomach.
I too am an atheist who believed all the scripture quotes, one being, "Study to show thyself approved, a workman that needeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth." Never once in 75 years did I scrutinize that scripture so closely as the Harmonic Atheist does here. It was only by dropping out of church at 75 and immersing myself in the logic of atheistic thought with the writings of Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins that my mind gradually opened up to really "study to show myself approved, etc." I couldn't have done this without the outside help of these great men of scientific thought and the use of what was left of my brain after almost total indoctrination. Even as a child, though, questions entered my mind concerning the fallacy of religion but I kept sweeping them aside believing the lie of the patriarchal society in which we live. Thank you for this excellent truly honest video.
Wow! To make it out at your age is highly unusual. Just curious, but how did you handle any guilt that may have come your way? Christianity comes with a lot of baggage. I treated non-Christians like shit. I had an appallingly hateful attitude toward gays, atheists, those who didn't share the same faith I did, pretty much anyone who didn't toe the line. I think my 81-year-old mother is incapable of doing what you did because she'd be forced to confront her own darkness. She has to believe she is good, that she never caused any harm ever. She'd have to admit my father was abusive. She'd have to admit that she was occasionally abusive in the name of her faith. The odds of her coming out of the Christian Trump cult are basically zero in my estimation. Unfortunately, if Trump doesn't win in November (and for the sake of the planet, I hope he does not), it will likely destroy our family. Since I'm disabled, I have no idea what will happen to me. If Trump wins, it will mollify his followers, but I'm sure the Republicans have people with "invisible" disabilities in their sites. My mother thinks that because I'm "truly" disabled I'll be spared. She's so naive. I'm going to try to enjoy these last couple of months because after that...????? It's so sad for all of us.
Ha ha ! Yep!.. "The planet got duped for 2,000 years!" Unbelievable Many are still duped. So glad that some of us are no longer duped and and not spreading the dupe. We're unduping all we can.
Worse thing is we were taught YOU WERE BORN AS A SINNER from birth, yes as a baby, a flipin baby is sinful, WOW, as a dad this repulses me to the core that type of thinking and philosophy is utter bullshit, and harmful in so many levels.
Tim. I've been following your channel for only a few weeks now. I've been catching up on what i've been missing. Got to say, all of it is so very, very good. Totally relatable. Very educational also. Congratulations on two years of freedom! And THANK YOU!!
Listening to this for the 3rd time. Thank you Tim for starting this much needed channel. Your analysis of Joshua and his army keeping the virgin girls to themselves was spot on.
You too? The 'people being suckered into this' piece I ended up playing back a few times because I thought about not only family, but so many devoting this one life into absolutely nothing. It's crazy.
WOW Tim !! A truly heartfelt and excellent second anniversary presentation. THIS is what the definition of a "Saint" is !! The protestant cult seems to define sainthood as simply being a member, whereas, at least, the catholic cult I came from defined it as having desirable characteristics such as devotion, noble suffering, demonstrable love of fellow folks etc.; in other words someone who possesses the best attributes of being human that one should strive to emulate. From this perspective, please accept this "virtual hug" as encouragement in your saintly ways. To paraphrase a quote, supposedly from Ghandi, "First they hate you, then they fight you, then they listen to you, then you open their eyes and the world becomes a better place". Much love, bro'
As a Southern Baptist, i want to thank you for sharing this. I still believe in some supreme God but not the vindictive one mentioned in the bible bible.b
I saw a good study recently where they tested the bible knowledge of a group of Christians and Atheists and the Atheist scores were significantly higher.
It was trying to learn more about Christianity so I could witness better that lead to me leaving the faith. Though I admire your courage, I won't try to talk anyone out who doesn't first show they're already leaning that way. Some Christians get downright warlike if you try to tell them how deluded they are as history shows and they don't use the Sword of the Spirit either. I'm not going to give them a reason to prove to their narcissistic deity how blindly loyal they are.
@god school I don't think we need to talk anyone out of anything. Just asking questions that expose their fallacious thinking is the pebble in the shoe. If they make sense, then you might join them. The recipient of your kindness (you would not bother if you did not care about the victim's well-being) will benefit if you keep providing enough inoculations to eradicate The God Virus. They will eventually discover they are wearing concrete boots in a river of madness. Facts are insignificant in a damaged theistic mind, so providing the information is futile. Ask questions, but don't expect honest answers. Theists are generally not capable of that. The God Virus is an excellent book by Dr Darryl Ray.
I have been contemplating reaching out to you about my deconversion story now that it’s been over a year from really waking up and being comfortable enough to associate with considering myself an atheist. My story definitely centers around sexuality and that’s why I was hesitant to speak but I’d love to talk when your schedule opens up.
Would love to see the project on the zodiac and the gospel of Mark. Thanks again for another great video Tim. Made it out of Christianity just over a year ago myself. Hope you’re doing well, this work you’re doing on this channel is helping me and I’m sure many many others a lot as we process
Tim, thank you for sharing you story. It's really an inspiration. I can totally relate to trying to live this life as a perfect Christian and constantly being judged by your brethren when we fall short.
You have echoed my exact sentiments, journey and current anxieties about shielding my child from Christian extended family. Thank you for leading in this area. It’s so needed for our generation to save our children’s generation.
I have a question for any Christians who are reading this. We know that of Jesus’ four brothers (who all denied his divinity) James finally converts to Christianity after allegedly witnessing the resurrected Jesus in person so the question is this: what happens to the other three brothers who didn’t convert? Does Jesus condemn his own family to everlasting torment for not accepting him as Christ or does he 'pull some strings' to allow them to sidestep judgement and escape eternal damnation? Either answer doesn’t look good!
Congratulations tim....i was never raise with religion...my mother was a single mom...she was always broke so i guess she forgot to indoctrinate us....religious leaders always avoided my house bcuz my mom was always cussing about money...especially on Sundays 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Fwiw you're story as related in past videos encouraged me to analyze what I had dedicated a huge chunk of my life to as well. Still have the muck and dirt on me but at least I'm out. Not sure what to think about anything really, but believing in myself instead of some mythical being is a better explanation than what I was doing.
I remember singing that song about Jericho as a kid. I actually had no idea what came next until finding your channel just recently. I've been out of religion since I was 19 and I'm 30 now, but I don't think I had fully deconverted because I still saw the beautiful parts of religion that I miss which I've longed for in the past couple years especially. It's crazy that I'm only now realizing how messed up some of these stories are and that I didn't see them as such growing up. Your channel is really helping me sort through all of this so thank you.
Tim thank you for this one. You have encouraged me to be honest with myself & face these hard issues full on. I think you show a great deal of integrity. Thanks to Bart Erhman, Doug from Pinecreek,, Mythvision & yourself I feel more informed than ever before. Keep them coming please 👍
@Tony Gilchrist It should not be too difficult to arrange a name change. Tony Gilsatán has an exotic appeal. You could earn PinePoints from St-Doug-of-PineCreek to cover the costs or get a job in the Wichita office with Myron. BTW, hearing more of your story might be cathartic for you and beneficial to other would-be escapees fearful of tunnelling out of the confines of superstition. Thanks for your interest and contribution.
Ooh, Christianity and sex. I was brought up with the idea that your virginity is a precious gift you give to your spouse after your wedding. Pretty idea...very poetic. BUT, if I'd been free to experiment sexually instead of "saving myself for marriage" perhaps I'd have figured out that I'm asexual as a teen or young adult. Instead I married, had several children and lots of sex (ho-hum) and after 14 years finally divorced. My ex was much happier with his second wife. I'm practically overdosing on the bliss of celibate life. It is wonderful not having a partner who has biblical justification for the idea that my body belongs to him ☺️
Never bring religion into your sex life. This is one reason why I just would never date a religious man unfortunately. I don’t want misogynistic values surrounding our partnership. I am happy you got out of that because that’s horrible.
Great channel and podcast! I came to the rude awakening that Christianity was no different than any other mythology or theology when I studied money and realized that money and inflation is an older falsety than Christianity is. Oddly enough, studying Bitcoin in my studies on money finally took the Christian veil over my eyes. This may sound farfetched but I was just as guffawed as you were when I came to my senses that everything I was taught about money was a farce. The falseties around money are older than 5000 years old. I am now on the same journey as you are....to seek the truth for my own theological beliefs. This is going to be such a fun adventure, albeit sometimes scary/hurtful/surprising, as I unveil the mysteries of all prior theologies. I was a Christian for 20+ years. Thank you so much for your channel! You are an inspiration! One book that I read that helped open my eyes was called, The History of God.
This was an amazing episode! Thank you for all your hard work and determination! You know how Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses knock on doors to spread the “truth”? Well sometimes I feel like doing that with the real hard truth facts of the Bible. I am not a full-blown atheist or agnostic but I am very anti-Bible. If there was ever any true Christianity, the Bible destroyed it with all its plagiarism from mythology. I was raised Catholic and even as a child the whole Bible thing just never quite passed the old sniff test for me. As a child, it never made sense to me that a loving God would torture people because they weren’t “chosen” or condemn people to eternal Hell for sinning and not accepting Jesus. The Bible makes God out to be a sadistic, socio-pathetic, narcissist. If that is “God”, who would want to be with someone like that?
I left at a very young age when I realized that the more I learned about science and religion, the more they diverged, not converged as I would expect if religion was correct. And Christanity is VERY divergent from science. Many people at this phase walk away from science. I went the other way. I'm glad I did.
I think most good hearted people have thoughts like you. When you said you don't want to be an empty vessel you mean you want to pour into others love and goodness of Christ. I to have walked away from Christainity myself. I love listening to your channel. I want to also say you are not empty now even not being in Christ. You still have love, kindness and truth. The truth is you don't care how others accept the fact that you are not Christain yet you still have a light within you that is helping others guide and accept themselves as not deserving of hell or anything that is destructive because they won't take on Christ and then work on becoming Christlike. Everyone has good and bad inside of us. We are all capable of sharing what is good inside of us with not only ourselves but with others. I know one thing gor sure is I became so depressed thinking about the whole ideal that others I love who have not accepted Christ and living like Christains deserve some type of hell or correction until they become Christ like. Yet to become more non judgemental and religious as I not set myself on high as if I'm with this God and judge others under this doctrine yet seem them as imperfect people like myself is a better peace. One thing I do do is protect myself from things that has me feeling empty. Yes I'm responsible for my own cup called the vessels that my soul is carrying so I norish my soul with good things such as respect, love, goodness and kindness. Everyone is capable and deserving of that no matter what. Don't look outside yourself to find this from others because you carrying it inside yourself. The thing about you and your testimony is anyone who comes to you and listens to you leaves feeling happier, positive and more open. That is you very own candle that you carry that you in return turn and able able to help light another souls candle rather than knocking them down. That is a gift. Not many have that. Your not debating your just stating your own truth and so many people are in agreement with what you share as well. To open your own mind with like minded people and to share it with them in love and in truth is a sign your not an empty vessel by far. Thanks for sharing this.
If you can you should invite people who have left other religions too. Especially Islam which is another abrahamic religion with holes as big as the grand canyon.
Thank you so much, Tim for spearheading specific, concrete ways to help! You hae such a calming Presence. Thanks for holding up one of the tent stakes! that helps to keep us sane! Blessings!
Mark Twain on the Bible : "It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it, some clever fables, some blood-drenched history, some good morals, a wealth of obscenity and upwards of a thousand lies." Mark Twain on Christianity : I bring you the stately matron named Christendom, returning bedraggled, besmirched, and dishonored, from pirate raids in Manchuria, South Africa, and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her pocket full of boodle, and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give her soap and towel, but hide the looking glass."
I've been watching a mix of the older stuff and the new stuff being posted here over the past few weeks. I am a tad amused at how The Matrix gets referenced in quite a few of the episodes here. There are a whole lot of Christianity metaphors in those movies, so it works.
What made me go 😮. Was exodus don't murder, then in Leviticus God gives instructions on dealing with the sexually impure, he says stone them and burn them Basically murder them . And God loves the pleasing aroma if burnt flesh. As all the ministers say, 'come on ' You come on; that's ridiculous.
@ 30:03 - 30:06 yes the obsession with boy children and a man’s circumcising. It’s horrible. Unfortunately me and my brother was born at a hospital named “Holy Cross Hospital” hospital because my elder Christian relatives forced my mother to birthed us there 🙄. I have no idea if my mom let them did that garbage to my male sibling, I never talked about that since she was not even Christian. On the other hand the whole sexual slavery for women in there or rape or incest is horrible. Then the whole human sacrifices as a whole of humanity or genocides is what turned me off from it.
Protect those kids at all costs 💥 even the kid inside you!!!!!! The one that got suppressed by the narcissist parent teaching us to devote ourselves to the narcissist god of the Bible. Heal your narcissism, (we all picked some up with religion, especially Christianity, along with complex trauma) LOVE and accept yourself. Forgive and get busy living, immediately. Take responsibility for every single choice from here out, and go for the very best outcome for you! Thank you, Tim.
We sure did. I always felt like that’s why there’s toxic parents out there who also don’t worship religion but they still have some religious views when it comes to children. There’s old people who think they could mistreat younger people because they’re older because the “Bible” says this or that. They feel that they have authority. Then you have people who have developed narcissism or self centered beliefs or misanthrope because of religion that are in denial of it all. Abuse is also justified against children & teens from this religion to. It makes you wonder why so many millennials and Gen-Z are exposing narcissistic behavior among our parents. I always felt like those views came from the Bible. I love the way you worded this here 👏🏾
Great job...don't forget Paul's travels too include the shipwreck and on to Rome are exactly the same travels of Josephus...too include the shipwreck. Kudos. Look forward to you getting that book done...hint hint ;)
Saul of Tarsus was the Joseph Smith of antiquity and wrote under a pysudonym, setting the stage for acolytes to write up Greek stories that would become the gospels.
Thank you so much for sharing your personal journey with us. Waking up is almost indescribable wonderful, and there is a price we pay for it . Somebody said, NO PRICE IS TO HIGH TO PAY TO OWN YOURSELF. Keep up the good work and , Thanks again .
Tim, we don't know each other personally but I feel we do. So many parallels in my struggles with "God's Word", which I taught for 25 years, 16 as a pastor. I reached a point where the brutality of the God of the Bible could not be justified when I humanized the victims of this allegedly divine will. Anyways, thank you and I look forward to learning more from you.
Very Interesing, I've traded on and off as well. I actually struck it big with the whole GME short squeeze situation that happened earlier this year. Do you have a channel where you talk about trading?
Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into making these videos. I watch many videos and listen to many podcasts from people from all different backgrounds and walks of life. My favourite people are ex-Christians because they know the Bible so well and, like you, are usually gentle, respectful, beautiful people. Apart from the theology, I get an awful lot out of listening to people's personal experiences. I find it very comforting.
I have struggled with this since I was old enough to understand death. I am now 67. I have PSTD over unfounded guilt caused when I was young over my reality as compared to my upbringing. An interesting show that was on in the 90's called, "The Mysteries of the Bible", was my jumping off point. Watching a more in depth historical rendition illuminated the ridiculousness and how contrived and vague the book really is. The lack of science, other previous religions story contributions, the history of thecanonizing of the books! Who made it in and who was left out! All by Men! Look at the Anglican church, it was devised so Henry the 8th could get a devorce instead of killing his wives!! My 92 yr. Old Mother is a devote Christian to this day! She is very outgoing. I on the other hand am a very shy more introverted person like my Dad. It is so much more difficult to fit into Christianity when you are such!
Let's face facts, for the vast majority of christians the gospels are true, so they've got an invisible super hero for a friend who'll always look after them, they'll see their loved ones again in heaven and they're not scared of dying because their also going to heaven. Case closed. Don't confuse me with facts.
Tim, you are a powerful witness to truth, reality and critical thinking. I myself am a former Catholic deacon who left the church and Christianity about the same time as you. Keep up the good work!
Brilliant Tim and always look forward to your posts, like you a grew up as a Christian and later in life a few things puzzled me, I began searching for the truth and de-converted and my rationality and reasoning returned... Keep up the work great Tim...
Thank you for your story! Please help stop the missionary conversion activities in India. It’s rampant with all the big bucks flowing in from US. India is getting destroyed with this menace.
I'm currently going through my deconstruction process, and it's a lonely journey. I live in a country with pretty decent religious tolerance, but being unaffiliated (atheism, agnosticism, etc) is not permitted. My national identity card even lists my religion on it. Videos like yours are helping me cope, as it's really hard for me to find a community of folks who have gone through or are going through the same thing I am. For now, I mostly have to keep my thoughts to myself, as it's not safe to talk about it. Maybe one day I can also share my thoughts as freely as you. But for now, I can't imagine the backlash of starting a channel like yours in my context. Thank you for sharing.
I’m just watching your RU-vid video about your 2 year anniversary of leaving the faith. My journey has been different yet with the same conclusions as you. I was raised as a fundamentalist Christian then eventually fazed and then the foundations razed. Like you I could never go back I have discovered such a broad beautiful world outside the tight claustrophobic confines of Christianity that to go back would be akin the going back to kindergarten. Thank you! Keep up the great work countless numbers of perplexed and disillusioned followers need to see and hear this. Ps: My turn around began when I realised the truth that all religions are “ selling water by the river”
I listened to your interview with the fiery and intelligent Nancy O'Brien Simpson. That hit me hard. And it was very encouraging. I just listened to you recount your personal story here. Thank you. I've been deconverting for years. Little by little. I appreciate your reasoned and methodical treatment of the historical origins of the Abrahamic cult, Judaism and its subcult, Christianity. I can't get enough. Again, thank you for your compassionate demeanor. It's very healing.
Cognitive dissonance is a horrible place to be. But necessary for purging the mind from harmful doctrines of deceit, and deception. "Make no mistake about it. Enlightenment is a destructive process. It has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier. Enlightenment is the crumbling away of untruth. It's seeing through the facade of pretense. It's the complete eradication of everything we imagined to be true." Adyshanti.
The Jesus character said that if the root is unholy then so are the branches. Reading the Old Testament aka the root of Christianity proves from his own words that this religion is disturbingly unholy. Yahweh is evil and is definitely not God
For me it was the blood magic. It sounded so barbaric, so unnecessarily brutal. I was brought up in an evangelical family and I was taught to believe, but was I got to be 11 or 12, it just made less and less sense to me. I prayed desperately for Jesus to enter my heart, but the doubts were inescapable. And then I had anxiety that the rapture would occur during the midst of a doubting episode and I would be left on earth alone, without my believing family. What a horrible, toxic way to bring up a small child, to rob them of their sense of safety, with no actual threat involved. Just brute manipulation. At 18 I stopped attending church and it’s been a source of stress in my family ever since. Not horrible, but they do think their son is going to hell. What a disgusting worldview. Studying the ancient texts further, it just makes no sense at all why someone would assume that it’s anything other than myth. But that is my core trauma that I have to deal with. Many have worse, but man this was so avoidable. Why torture your child psychologically for no reason? Just pure bullshit. So glad to raise my kids knowing that they are safe, NO MATTER WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
Hey Tim, thank you for the video! You say apologists are lying? I would really like to see some interaction with them. Have you heard of Inspiring Philosophies? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Bq8fFw-oV3w.htmlsi=S0Sy0qGu4ak5GOw6 Also, if you would consider going deep on specific examples of these many acclaimed copies of pagan mythology, that would be very appreciated. I am struggling to see why just because an idea or story is copied makes Christianity not true.
It took me 6 months from saying to myself I will always believe. I love the Lord to Its a lie. I started with pre, mid, or post tribulation. That first step led to Isaiah 65 (Kingdom of heaven). That led to 70 AD. Then, why is the church getting this all wrong? To where is church unity? It's been a strange ride. Tim's journey was different but the same.
Congrats Tim! You’re doing such a great job and your channel is AWESOME!!! You’ve been such a great influence and a great help to me. If god didn’t want foreskins on male babies then why did he create males with foreskins??? Yeah Tim this rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper as we go along…it seems like there’s no end to it. The genocide, rape, torture, slavery, slaughtering, etc. proves that the Yahweh god is a PSYCHOPATH and that EVIL entity isn’t anyone I would want to be with for eternity. Thanks so much for all your hard work and the time you put into this wonderful channel. Love ya my brother! 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
The (il)logic of Christianity: The perfect loving, all knowing, all powerful God was lonely and needed someone to worship Him for His awesomeness, because all perfect beings require praise to feel fulfilled (or maybe I'm confusing that with narcissists). He created man, called the creation good, all the while knowing man would rebel against Him. But He also created angels knowing they would rebel against Him (He is all knowing remember) He put the tree of knowledge in the garden of Eden to tempt Eve and Adam, and lied to them that they would immediately die if they ate of the tree, knowing that they would indeed eat the fruit (apparently God doesn't understand the concept of reverse psychology). Since Adam and Eve didn't immediately die, He kicked them out of the garden of Eden for doing wrong, which they had no way of knowing was wrong ahead of time because they had yet to eat from the tree of knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL. And all of us wicked humans born since inherit the guilt of Adam and Eve as beautiful helpless and vulnerable infants. Then a while later He was sorry He created man because they were all wicked, even though He knew ahead of time this would be the outcome, so He decided on mass genocide as the best solution. And the all powerful God that poofed man into existence, and could have just as easily and painlessly poofed man out of existence, decided a world wide flood that wiped out not only man but all the animals in one of the worst ways to die (drowning), was the simplest and most logical method to commit this genocide (or perhaps He got the idea from the Mesopotamian gods that preceded Him). Yet as soon as Noah's Ark landed, Noah, his family, and his descendants went right back to their evil ways. But no worries, this God has a plan. Maybe this one will work. He can't help but eternally punish man for man's wickedness because His goodness requires that He torture His own creation, so He decided to send Himself to earth to be killed as a sacrifice to Himself so that He can change His mind and instead forgive mankind that He created knowing ahead of time how wicked mankind would be. But everyone witnessing this event was a pre-scientific, superstitious, iron age, levantine illiterate. And not a single, contemporary to the events, literate historian or politician had anything to say about it, or all the miraculous happenings surrounding it, almost as if it never even happened. And now everyone's salvation from God's damnation to eternal torment is dependent on us believing miraculous stories written down decades after the fact by anonymous authors, none of which claim to be eye witness to the events their beliefs rely on (unless you count hallucinations), in a 2000 year old book full of scientific absurdities, internal self contradictions, failed prophecies, genocide, slavery, misogyny, incest, rape, copies of pagan mythology and mystery religion, all canonized by political vote and used as a tool of the Roman Empire to control it's citizens. And this is the best evidence an all knowing, all powerful, loving God is apparently capable of providing to us that we might not burn in the sulfur fueled fires of hell forever (This god sure can't seem to do anything right). But don't worry. The best is yet to come. Eventually this God will come back and create a new heaven and new earth, but he's going to get it right the second time around, honest, scout's honor (seems like He could have saved a lot of suffering if He'd gotten it right on the first try). Although He is a couple millenia late according to what the 2000 year old story book claims He said when he walked on earth as a man.
Thank you for this. Been slowly making my way through your backlog. A lot of the deconversion stories I've heard are somewhat hard for me to relate to, but I relate to yours on so many levels. It has been so hard to go through this. Easily the most difficult thing I have ever gone through in my life, but knowing there are others out there that share a very similar story makes it easier. I still have a very long way to go, and so so so much to unravel, and sift through. It hurts. It's like a car crash that you can't look away from. I spend hours daily deep diving into all of it. I know this is an older video now, but truly, you're "doing the Lord's work" as they say. Wishing the best for you, myself, and everyone else on this path moving forward.
This is one of the greatest videos I have ever seen. I wish I could get all of my Christian family and friends to watch it with an open mind, but of course they never will.
I wish I could get my grandparents to do so but they will not. They believe in the male god in the sky who controls everything with another male named “Satan” who’s out to get them. They have crazy conspiracy theories that’s been indoctrinated into them about the government, misanthropic views, and their to heavily blinded on science/history.
Many Christians shun others not just for leaving the faith but for leaving the particular church or denomination There is a real tribal mentality going on here
Even if there is a God it does not mean it is the Christian one or of any other man made religion. I believe in a higher power that created us and the only thing I fear is answering for doing intentional evil when I pass on, so for that reason I am conscientious of my actions and I try not to do evil while I’m here on this planet. Maybe god is just a passive creative force and a consciousness but not all knowing and all powerful to intervene in our daily lives. When I used to be a Christian one thing that struck me as odd, among many others, is that fact that all the focus is on the narcissistic needs of Jesus to be reflected in us to the point that we are not even individual human beings anymore! There is no focus on being here and now and managing our planet and all that is in it responsibly. That is why Christianity brought about the dark ages where all science, medicine, and human advancement stopped, because Christians live to die. They literally only focus on the insatiable narcissistic need of Jesus to be glorified and worshipped instead of being productive and interactive with their lives here on earth. That type of attitude and focus stunts human development and causes a lot of death and suffering as it did in the dark ages. Christians long for the day when they rule the world but have forgotten that they once did and almost destroyed it!
It's so HARD to present these things to others... its so painful to watch people reject it completely.....and it's all due to FEAR! FEAR of 'burning in Hell for eternity '. I'm 9 months into deconstructing and I rejected it at first.
I have spent my life not being able to absorb that people really believe… I went to church every Sunday and I never considered people really believed it. It being anything talked about from the sermons to saying grace to the comments about Jesus none of it. I never considered people saw it as reality just as Santa.. exact same thing. Santa comes down chimney, eats cookies, flying reindeer etc. No one says your parents ate the cookies and those gifts were in the closet. Duh we all know that. So no one says that’s not really his body or blood, Jesus isn’t real of course his mom wasn’t a virgin she had other children .. duh on and on. At confirmation classes I asked questions and I giggled with the answers and realized no one else giggled but I believed class was not to convince us sillyness was real it was to study the stories to pass them on .. no difference than a play. The point was not convincing the actors the play was reality but to learn the play to demonstrate it. Sounds ridiculous but think how many times you are talking to adults and they say they need get home because Santa is coming. You say oh right ok. You don’t say .. do you believe Santa is real. If you did they would say well of course doesn’t everyone and you smile but you don’t believe they believe .. how could they? How could they believe he goes house to house blah blah well that easier believe than the biblical stories right. I am stunned that people don’t just want to believe but actually believe.. people that get dressed every day by themselves and believe the Bible is real … it’s mind blowing. How can that be?
There are churches where these issues are discussed, where issues of the authorship and the canon are Bible 101 in the training of the clergy. When the matter of Old Testament issues are openly grappled with - Noah vs Gilgamesh; poetic stories of Job and Jonah. People writing and putting words in God's mouth as they assume a God would expect this or that (actions normal in the culture of war then). New Testament echoes of the other stories around, The corner of the church that it sounds you were rooted and raised in is one that couldn't handle those questions, but those of us dismissed as dodgy liberals etc have long sat with those questions.
Then there is no need for them to be called churches, those are just community groups or something like that. If you're not a Christian group, why use a Christian title?
@@HarmonicAtheist sadly for all your discoveries you have no understanding of the breadth of Christianity. You still see it only as the extreme literalism that nurtured you and had no room for your questions. That you have arrived at atheism is your journey, I do not question your journey or your previous faith. Please respect that others can see the Bible as human written and not intended to be taken literally yet still hold to faith in God, our journeys are also valid.
