Christians Can't Complain About the Transgender Movement Because They Created It! 

Perhaps Christ should have referred to his non-bianary, gender- ambiguous, non-birthing, co-eternal, spaceless, timeless, formless, materless, eternally begetting co-entity? Nope! He called Him "Father."

Mayhap this is one of the (many) reasons why the Creeds are an abomination in the sight of God???

To paraphrase Avraham Gileadi, the disbelief in the true nature of God inevitably leads to a decline into wickedness and apostasy, a phenomenon from which none is exempt.

The loss of the understanding of heavenly mother is the basis of the single parent epidemic "In the heavens are parents single? No, the thought makes reason stare! Truth is reason; truth eternal tells me I've a mother there." Hymn 292 O My Father. When the ideal (God the Father) is a single parent, or an eternal bachelor (Christ) how can Christians still place marriage and family creation as foundational for mankind?

10:56 that is the abomination in itself: stripping the identity of God from the record, making Him an it in their mind.

Time vindicates the prophets.

Please do a hardcore debunking of “Prophetess” Michelle Stone’s 132 Problems. Thanks!

Love this episode! Joseph Smith didn't just restore the priesthood and Christ's gospel, he restored TRUTH. And yes, others should look to our canon as the control for all the truth data. God wants us to know it.

This is exact point I made when the whole sparkle creed thing happened. It was embarrassing to see all the Christians being completely unable to refute it because it’s their classical theist philosophy that makes it possible, the sparkle creed was technically theologically correct, and they couldn’t escape from that and ended up using the language of their accusers to make these vague-ries and woke arguments to distract from that fact. You had people like Michael Knowles saying things like “God’s preferred pronouns are he/him, we should respect God’s pronouns.” And then the next day he would go back to saying that we shouldn’t respect transgender pronouns and deny reality.

💯 I’ve used this argument before. They HATE it!

The creeds separating "being" and personhood is also the foundation of the abortion argument.

The irony of them calling God a “He” when (according to them) “it” is beyond space, time, and doesnt have a body/gender 🤦🏻‍♂️

it is Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother...hence there are two sexes. Also it states in the creation story that we were created male and female....not created in several genders. Why talk about the Creeds that are in error?

Watching Carson geek out on this was really fun. I also like the if then statements in the Book of Mormon too.

@21:46 if a = b and b = c, then a = c TRANSITIVE PROPERTY

One of the best points made by you guys (and you’ve made some really great points 😊) “In the heavens are parents single, no the thought makes reason stare. Truth is reason truth eternal tells me I’ve a mother there” ❤

Never In a million years have I thought about this. I’ve known for years that mainstream Christianity believes that God is Genderless. But wow….. this makes clear so many things. I’ve never put the pieces together like this.

Oh, I came to this conclusion months ago. Here's a post I made: I just had an interesting conversation this morning in regards to this picture [that says "God is non-binary"], and came to an interesting conclusion regarding those who believe in the amorphous spirit God of Trinitarianism: 1) If you believe that gender is *not* determined by biology but is decided by the individual, then logically it follows that God is male, as He has only ever been identified as male in the Bible. 2) But if you believe that gender *is* determined by biology, then logically it follows that God is non-binary, as God doesn't have a body, parts, or passions As Trinitarians accept the amorphous spirit God of the creeds but want to follow the Bible which identifies God's pronouns as He/Him, there seems to be a conflict between God's pronouns in the Bible and God's "biology" as identified in the creeds

They and them. We are legion? Mark 5:9 Then Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" "My name is Legion," he replied, "for we are many."

Truth is truth...

Love this and even Kwaku is spot on about this 😅😂.. I have said before, when Kwaku is right about a topic or doctrine he lays into it hard and I love every second of it.

Nailed it! The eventuality of creedal Christianity is transgenderism. The notion that God is genderless comes from Hilkeniah and the "found" book of The Law.

For me, literally THE FIRST CHAPTER OF THE BIBLE says, "Let US make man in OUR image." Which means more than one God, and They have a human form. I used to think this was referring to only Heavenly Father and Jesus. But apparently the Hebrew references to Diety in this verse can refer to multitude Gods. So I'm starting to think Heavenly Mother was there too, because "They" also created Eve in "Their" likeness. And what is the purpose of Resurrection? And what about how the angels said that Jesus "would return in like manner" from heaven, meaning, in a resurrected body! The family proclamation and the teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith are so clear. And if the first vision happened, we absolutely know the Trinitarian creeds are incorrect.

I will now speak of restored gospel truths that are fundamental to the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Please consider these truths carefully. They explain much about our doctrine and practices, perhaps including some things not yet understood. There is a God, who is the loving Father of the spirits of all who have ever lived or will live. Gender is eternal. Before we were born on this earth, we all lived as male or female spirits in the presence of God. -Dallin H Oaks President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints

Truth. I had to marry a non believer in order to find a man that won’t tolerate the gender woo. When I go to church I have to assume that whoever I’m talking to believes in queer theory unless they’ve said otherwise specifically. I come home to my secularist husband and everything is very clear and makes sense. These are the days of tame branches on wild trees to stay alive.

I've thought many times that creeds make God the father into an eldritch and unknowable being. And some recognize that and are like, whatever. Truth is something that can be truely known, if God is truth he must be knowable. The creed are the opposite of truth, their just smoke and mirrors, a deception.

I'm glad some liberal evangelicals are questioning their doctrine. Maybe they'll be open to find truth.

If God has no gender, why then there’s male and female? Why were we created in His image?

Did you notice how he beautifully expounded on the senselessness of the lies and debunked them, but only to conclude with almost the same lie he just debunked? That's how powerful the creeds are. You can't get out from under them so easily.

To be fair, when a Christian refers to God as "He". They only do so because God references to himself as Male. So, when another comes and says God is a woman, it's not because they dislike the idea, it's because it's not what God references to himself as.

Mainstrean Christians can just stand on the Genesis account and Jesus's words on marriage to refute transgenderism so this argument isn't super strong, but I agree Latter-Day Saint doctrine definitely goes further to explain the eternal significance of gender.

If God isn’t a hypocrite, his wife is every much a God as He is. He has taught us to be equal partners with our spouses. I would expect that they are equals even more so than we are.

Everything is repeating itself from ancient times.

The argument I’ve heard evang and prot friends give is even if God is without gender…the Bible is god breathed and therefore his chosen pronouns are he/him. If only they listened to truth instead of condemning it without thought.

The creeds and confessions aren't christian

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I haven't read all of the Gnostic Gospels, I kept falling asleep and couldn't keep the library book forever, but one on them said Jesus Christ resurrected as a woman, and so will everyone else. And another one I read said that Jesus Christ resurrected as both genders, and so will everyone else. These were written by the end of the second century, so these aren't a new idea.

Joseph Smith didn't say, 'let's make it simple'. Joseph Smith, as the lords prophet, simply taught was in found in scripture

Ambiguity in the nature of God leads to ambiguity in defining our relationship to HIM. That is the great Abomination that brings desolation to the soul of his family. When they have no hope of understanding the nature of God, they cannot understand their relationship to Him. What's more, they who believe God is all and everything, have created a God that is nothing. That's the difference between the Orthodox Christian God and the God who made Himself known to Joseph, our God: Ours actually exists.

They don’t “flock” to the LDS Church because they haven’t done their homework. The stigma that is associated with the church keeps many from looking more into it. Once you do your homework… IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

God has to be a man. Hebrews 8:12 says, “12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.” Any married man can tell you that a wife will forgive you, but the next time you make a mistake, she’ll make sure to remind you of that one time. Lol 😂

This is what I’ve been wondering every time someone in congress raises a fuss about gay/trans rights using general Christian points. Their doctrine is genderless (apart from the incarnated Son, whom we all agree definitely had a body that was male, at that point)!! That’s such hypocrisy, people!!! I always want someone to bring that up as a point of refutation for such legislative arguments. No one has, yet, as far as I know. Le sigh…

Like you said Carden, there really is no way out of their argument, even for this guy in his video, he ended it saying the exact same thing as he is bashing: God is everything and everyone and everywhere and just worship him how you connect to him lol

Fantastic episode guys, well done!! 👏🏾🤙🏾

I've heard this argued by liberal Christians before. Heck, they have a point. I disagree with them, but they sure have a point.

I don't think our boys here hit back the same as the trinitarians hatred for us. if anything our boys at Ward radio gently make fun of these false Christians with a smile and Light Heart:-)

😂 lol I love how it says “God is neither man nor woman, he is God” HE is God. Wow.

Wow! This was a good one.

Great points guys, liked this discussion. 👍🏽 The argument would be “God identifies as a man so we call him such.” But that argument is such a slippery slope.

As usual good show!

Satan is culling the flock of weak sick doctrines first.

I’m just starting the vid, but when I hear jokes like “I met God, and she’s [insert nasty comment here]”, I think to myself “You are disrespecting Heavenly Mother so hard when you say that.” Because they think that God is genderless, and the non-binaries take that and run, despite us knowing that who we usually call “God” is our _Father_ in Heaven. That, and people when you say there’s a Heavenly Mother, they almost recoil or stare in shock, like the very thought is unheard of. Also, I just had a thought: what if because the creation story in Abraham uses “we” and “our image”, what if the “we” is Heavenly Father and Heavenly _Mother?_ them, and some elder brothers that have already gone through the whole life process helping Mom and Dad out.

Thomas Aquinas, the influential medieval theologian and philosopher, did not explicitly address the gender of God in those terms. However, his theological works do provide insights that some interpret as suggesting that God transcends gender. In Aquinas's theology, God is understood as pure existence, beyond all categories and limitations of human understanding. God is described as pure actuality ("actus purus") and is not subject to physical attributes or limitations, including gender. Aquinas emphasizes the simplicity and perfection of God, which precludes the notion of God possessing gender in the way humans do. While Aquinas himself did not explicitly say "God has no gender," his theological framework has been interpreted by some scholars and theologians as supporting the idea that God transcends gender and cannot be limited by human categories. This perspective is consistent with broader theological traditions within Christianity that emphasize the transcendence and ineffability of God.

Nice point that you guys are making, but Catholics also believe in Natural Law. The topic being discussed is out of line with Natural Law.

I saw this coming a mile away..

False doctrine begets false doctrine

"transcends the human distinction between the sexes" Bad Doctrine leads to bad Ideas and behavior.

According to Protestant theology God is they/them. In Genesis God says “Let us make man…” They define this as: “while God is a singular deity, He is a plurality in His personality.”

This guy just explained baphomet. So that is their God now. I mean most Christians don't follow the commandments anymore and follow all sorts of sin.. so yeah

7:46 I’m not being a jerk I just want to learn more about this, but where do we get this info from?

Another killer intro!

Dennis Prager says God chooses to called a He.

I don't understand why ee have such a hard time with the concept that Adam and Eve really did sin. They were always going to eat the apple and leave the garden, but not like that. The fact they sinned and needed redemption is why their story is relevant to us. By learning how they were redeemed, we learn how we may be redeemed. Yes they sinned, but they repented and were forgiven through Jesus Christ, and we may be also.

Hi! Active lds trans woman here. Got a few thoughts. These are not ideological criticisms, just clarifications of a few terms and such. The word “transgender” is currently defined as an adjective used to describe a person with a gender identity other than the one they were socially assigned. For this reason there is some discussion on if third gender indigenous people (samoan - fafafine, tongan - fakaleti, first nation two - spirit, oaxaca - muxe) should be considered transgender or not. On the one hand, they fit into a gender identity they were assigned, traditionally, at birth. On the other hand they don’t fit into the gender binary recognized by the colonial powers that have been imposed upon them. I think this applies well to the question of if God would be considered transgender in an evangelical context. On the one hand They’re not confined by the gender binary. On the other hand They being assigned a gender that does not align with their doctrinal identity according to the creeds. I think the idea that a definition of God as being without binary gender directly establishing Them as transgender is reductive and demonstrates a poor understanding of trans theory. If you’ve made it this far in the comment, I would encourage you to to read section 38.6.23 of the lds general handbook, and to at the very least think about how you can best follow the stated objective of President Dallin H. Oaks as he put it in 2019 “to persuade our members that those who follow lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender teachings and actions should be treated with the love our Savior commands us to show toward all our neighbors.”

14:06 and don't forget, they also believe satan almost destroyed god's plan. i guess because the "all knowing" god didn't know what satan was going to do.

🤦🏻‍♀️ Oh good lord

There are a few things you need to consider. The TikTok guy's final comment: Both, neither, either, none. I don't care. Whatever helps you commit. Jesus said that life eternal is to [come to] know God. The Greek word here is used in progressive tense, meaning that knowing God is not a final event, but a process which leads to that final event. We won't fully know God until we stand face to face with Him. So, anybody can start with any belief in God that leads them to God, but as God leads you to Him, He reveals more and more about Himself to you. If you think you already know all about God because your church told you something, you are damning yourself: i.e., stopping your progression toward knowing more about God. In D&C 10:67, the Lord defined his church as those who repent and come to Him. That's the only requirement. In the first vision the Lord says that the creeds of the other churches were an abomination. There was no LDS church on earth at the time. I wonder whether the Lord would consider the creeds of the Mormon Church would be an abomination. I think he would. He condemned the other churches because they taught for doctrine the commandments of men. What do we hear in Conference, now? Men praising and quoting each other, while claiming to speak for God. Yes, most of the time what they quote is totally contrary to the scriptures. "Er (Pelatiah) Brown has been the cause of this subject being now presented before you. He, |is| one of the wisest old heads we have among us, has been called up before the High Council on account of the beast. The old man has preached concerning the beast which was full of eyes before and behind and for this he was hauled up for trial. I never thought it was right to call up a man and try him because he erred in doctrine, it looks too much like methodism and not like Latter day Saintism. Methodists have [page 184] creeds which a man must believe or be kicked out of their church. I want the liberty of believing as I please, it feels so good not to be tramelled. It dont prove that a man is not a good man, because he errs in doctrine." Joseph Smith 8 April 1843 Joseph Smith never taught a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother created spirit offspring. This was a notion added by Brigham Young in support of polygamy and the Adam-God "doctrine". In the same speech in which JS taught the God was a man, he taught the we are co-eternal with God, i.e. not created. The Book of Mormon, the Book of Moses, and John, chapter 1, all talk about how we before the children of God. When God formed the body of Adam, he formed him in His own image: male AND female. Adam (the lone man) was also male AND female in the image of God, and when God breathed into him the spirit of the man, the spirit would also have been male AND female. After placing the man in the garden, God divided Adam into separate male and female counterparts. This is what the Bible literally says. If you want to read your own interpretation into that account, have at it. The account is deliberately vague, I believe, so that people can discover the truth for themselves without have some church force a creed down their throats. We are saved by coming to Christ with a broken heart and a contrite spirit. This means we have faith in Him and are penitent. If we continue to have faith and repent, and witness to the church (others who have repented and have come to Christ) that we have repented of our sins, then we witness this by water baptism. If we continue on this path, we receive a remission of our sins by being baptized by fire and the Holy Ghost. I have received this. I didn't need to wonder what was happening. I received many heavenly manifestations and was told that I had been redeemed. I say this only because I was told to testify of it, and its reality, and that it is something we can all receive. This might be unfamiliar to you because the church doesn't teach this, but the Book of Mormon does. There is more. You spoke in another episode of receiving revelation like Joseph Smith. I haven't watched it yet, so I can't comment on it. But I have received many revelations, manifestations, visions, etc. The Holy Ghost can literally lead you to Christ, who can literally lead you to Father, and to Mother. I know. I have seen things and learned things about God that I can't talk about, but this is only because I kept seeking more truth and kept an open mind. I look at what the average person believes about God, and I see that everybody has bits and pieces of the truth, and there is a whole lot that they think about God that doesn't make sense to them. I don't claim to know it all, but I do understand enough to settle all the questions that most people have about God. Now, I need to learn more. I know that first we come up with a good question, and bring it to God. I know that God will answer any question that I have. Of that I have no doubt.

opening graphics were a bit much. :)

Cardon's mind blown by confirmation bias and dogma

Psalms 2:4 He that sitteth in Heaven shall laugh. I picture God sitting on his throne in heaven and laughing at the idiocy of his children on earth. Causing confusion and confounding the truth does not make it Truth. A picture is worth a thousand words. Refer to the first vision of Joseph Smith in the Sacred Grove when God, the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ appear to him in the flesh as Resurrected beings. If you believe he is a prophet of God, and he declares he saw them in the flesh. it is no longer up for debate.

Can you all explain 2 Nephi 31:21? I’m confused. Isn’t LDS doctrine against the idea of the Trinity?

Eh, that works on an emotional level, but technically it’s a false comparison because they do not see God and humanity as the same species. It would be like comparing humans to frogs that can swap gender. Fine, for the frogs, but we aren’t frogs. But, yeah it really does point out the hidden (and not so hidden) prejudices in their beliefs.

God does transcend gender if you're monotheistic. This is something I think practitioners of religion got wrong. Yes, men and women create life, yes sex is real, yes they are different with different acrs, yes the nuclear family is the path of least resistance; But the transgressions of transgenderism, no pun intended; Is the long way roundabout to its spiritual evolution and the pain in its efficiency in its avoidance from reflecting on the underlying issue: Changing sex is only the tip of the iceberg. You see, there are three things you can't really square denying gay marriage: 1A) If you believe sex is only for procreation than married couples should not have sex except it be for purposes of procreation on the basis that sexual energy or prana, is to be moved upward into powerful creative energy. That's something that seems to me most Latter Day Saints don't really even understand but for those who do I can understand their opposition to gay marriage. 2A) HOWEVER most believe that sex with your loved one ulon marriage is spiritually expansive and on those basis, you cannot or SHOULD NOT, take it upon yourself to be the intervention arbiter between that. It is an extraordinary risk to take such mantle upon yourself in my opinion. ESPECIALLY when neither Jesus or Joseph said anything against it. 1B) On the basis of fruitfulness this cannot be adjudicated or squared by the church nor should it be because many straight couples cannot procreate. On the heartbreak of this subject of another in the Church did my position clarify back in favor of gay marriage and on the basis of our theology and here's why: 2) It has been an esoteric understanding mentioned in Kabbalah that your children spiritually speaking are those whom you bring into the mantle of God regardless of blood relation. This is further substanciated by the common justification that "God has bigger or other plans for such couples and this is true. Such couples often end up becoming spiritual teachers or teachers otherwise. Such amazing so that they such an enormous about of love, dedication and passion into so many people of all ages they truly touch all peoples life. When an amazing teacher of doctrine expressed this pain it immediately validated in my mind this position and I had to tell them because I would not be able to live with myself if i didn't; so I was prompted to tell her the following: Christ did not have children because he married the world. If he had, had children his sacrifice would be inappropriate and wouldn't work on the basis of personal neglect against those whom he owes it most. It has been my observation and experience that some of the most incredible spiritual teachers of all time have been without Children and so to this day. They often tend to be fathers, monthers and parents to the spiritual orphans of the world. On the basis of our theology how does this apply? Well, have you ever met someone you so profoundly spiritually connect with it defies time? What you know to understand they are your spiritual family? I propose to you this question: If you had a mentally, spiritually and emotionally negligent parent, and a bishop changed your life and nourished your soul: Who's planetary jurisdiction through the densities of consciousness would your soul essence gravitate towards under? Having been SSA in favor of Gay marriage, then turning viscerally against it on the basis of selfish religious appropriation, induced enmeshment trauma and chemical manipulation to now no longer really SSA (wildly enough) I now find myself back in favor of gay marriage and this is why: 3A) I was about to post how selfish it is to advocate for gay marriage because it's a self indulgent religious appropriation with no fruitful outcome. This having previously identified as openly gay and now not caring what anyone would think about it and I was immediately prompted to stop by what I know is The Holy Spirit, and heard clearly "But what about adoption". This followed by the immediate sequential orphans through the planetary spheres. That moment my position changed but I couldn't quite touch it. After the teachers testimony it all became clear. The celestial kingdom has three sub densities of consciousness: Densities, dimensions and octaves every evolving with God through the planetary spheres. Many things are expanding and still being adjudicated and this is one of them. The Celestial plantery kingdom of Mercury and Mars. Within it still in balance by the countering double venus and the spiritual children adopted by the same. In conclusion, I am now in favor of Gay marriage on the basis of first and foremost intervention against it should not be for us to judge or adjudicate because in the event we might be incorrectly against it the punitive damages may be too much to bare: whereas if do not judge and leave it to God it is self adjudicating. Moreover, two people who otherwise want to take the covenants with God, be monogamous, adopt children and live a Godly life should not be denied all the Latter on the basis of man adjudicating marriage of two emotionally, mentally and spiritually consenting adults sustained accordingly by science in a still expanding universe of densities, dimensions and octaves. Simply put, we know for a fact that denying them the monogamous commitment to one another is not going to bring them closer to God and to reject them a failure to everyone for all intents and purposes. What I would want if any place of God allow same sex marriage is that they: 1) Be at least 21 years of age, perhaps dating in absolute abstinence to know it is an emotional and spiritual bond not just about sex. 2) Understand and take comprehensive enmeshment trauma understanding, comprehension and counseling. 3) That they do intend to have or adopt children. (See number 1) Reinforcing potential marriage is religiously voidable if they break rule 1 on the basis of failure to comprehend love. So yeah, i guess im back in favor of Gay marriage.

it doesn't matter what God's gender is or isn't. He created MAN and WOMAN. He didn't create genderless humans.

I'm willing to believe that, theologically speaking, God is "non-binary", but the term is a bad one, since it usually refers to so-called "non-binary" humans, whereas God's non-binarity, if anything, has nothing to do with human non-binarity. So to say that we must accept human "non-binarity" because God would be non-binary himself is nonsense: men are not God. Jesus Christ is a male, and in his human nature at least, he is unmistakably a man. There's nothing non-binary, transgender or special about that - it's pure fan fiction. Christianity obviously didn't invent the concepts of transgender or non-binarity - there are earlier examples (in a sufficiently broad sense of the terms; many so-called transgenders from ancient mythologies are the product of over-interpretation). Last but not least, while theologically God is probably non-binary, mythologically he's a man. And myth is worth more than theology.

Great points! P.S. please stop saying Mormons. Easy switch. Just say members every time you want to say Mormons. Mmmmmmembers 💗🙂

Great topic, however, can you guys make an effort to NEVER use Mormon's name, to refer to the Church or its members? Just use: The Church of Jesus Christ, The Church, Latter-day Saints, Saints or members. No question, God our Heavenly Father is a man, Joseph Smith saw him with his own eyes and said he is a man that looks just like his son, Jesus. We should fully respect people for wanting to go by whatever name they want and dress however they want, but gender is eternal and purposeful.

I'm really tired of Kwaku in general, but I'm especially tired of his attacks on other Christian churches. It's counter productive, as it needlessly offends people that are in the exact same fight we're in. I don't care what a handful of idiotic evangelicals say about us, it doesn't excuse the same behavior from our members.

“Godhead” = Trinity “Mother of God” = Mary “Heavenly Father” = A stupid, uniquely American way to identify the God of the Tanakh. “He” wasn’t a human in the sky, either.

Pretend Bill Reel, John Dehlin, Radio Free Mormon or any other of the anti-Mormons are your dad...that's bad enough....one exception, Maven has two gay dads: Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon...