I am re-watching Hitchens debates. It blows my mind that people like D'Souza and Turek have ever been taken seriously enough to think they could argue at anywhere near the level as this man. He just makes them look silly.
+Heywood Yabloome Theres a difference between rude and blunt. He just doesnt sugar coat his words in fear of offending people. But he doesnt do it with the purpose of offending, its just the truth.
.. sometimes people get stabbed and the perpetrator will get a solicitor to plead mitigating circumstances (diminished responsibility) to get a lesser charge of 'manslaughter' rather than 'murder' - to the victim and their families it makes no difference whatsoever. Rude = blunt, the purpose is to offend - the other approach is tact and there is a difference. As for 'truth', that is the issue being debated from people's differing perspectives. Take this up to political and national levels - that's were conflicts and wars start.
@Jazzkeyboardist1 Your desperate hypothesizing is really quite something. It makes you look pathetic, infantile and ridiculous, just in case you weren't aware...
But if you want to see someone _truly pathetic_ in the face of Hitchens, you have to watch Frank Turek. I smirk at most 'Hitchslap' type situations, but Hitchens Vs Turek... I actually pity Turek.
Harmony Jones It is a classic. I blogged about it at the time and received a torrent of abuse just for pointing out the areas where Turek either didn't seem to understand the question, or actively avoided giving direct answers. His repeated attempts to pivot back to the areas he felt more comfortable were truly cringeworthy.
+Jim - It's to be expected. Simply pointing out the fallacies and/or outright lies that inevitably come spewing out of the religious when they're forced to explain their position logically, will attract the wrath of morons like ants to honey. I always find it funny that the ignorant, barely literate religious cretins that skulk around the internet feel they have to come to the defense of their own "experts" when they get hitchslapped and you point it out.. This is usually done by calling you names, telling you that you will burn in hell, and spouting praise of their deities, and almost never an actual argument worth hearing.
Stacy Caruso There's very little to comprehend when it comes to the arguments and information put forward by Dinesh so I doubt anyone watching has had any issues in that regard. I struggle to see the pied piper reference too, I'm not shooting it down but it's seems a little strained in its application here. You seem to be under the impression the drinking was a problem? Certainly not for Hitch. He functioned to such a high level even when heavily intoxicated. There is often a positive correlation where genius and drugs are concerned - Also I'm sure Winston Churchill once noted that people like a leader who can handle his drink... Hitch was certainly leading the fight against the idiocy of religion.
@Steve I actually thought D'Souza came up with some (at first glance) pretty good points, but that were ultimately specious and easily refuted. After all, there aren't really any new arguments for the existence of the supernatural and all of them have already been falsified, which is why believers still have to fall back on blind faith as their "reason" to believe.
@Stacy Caruso Said Stacy Caruso thumbing through the passages of a primitive, immoral book written by savages centuries ago that didn't know the earth is orbiting the sun. Fuck off you and your ilk.
@@Intelligence130 I know what you mean. It's almost painful to watch the priests and their followers, ESPECIALLY the Christians. The Catholics have enough money and power to provide and produce better intellectuals, so this debate was decent enough to watch.
Yea, he talks like he has no idea an ice age happened and wiped out what ever was on the northern half of this planet.... and flooded the areas that were inhabited... The guy is educated to be stupid...
@z man Thank you for saying "you are sorry". So the Bible, is accurate historically and scientifically?.... 6 days to make the Earth? 6000 years old? Not a single mention of the dinosaurs.... Virgin birth?.... a boat large enough to hold 2 of every animal? Yeah thank God we didn't go to the same school... MY GOD you are wise...
Welcome Lokesh - I was born into a Catholic family. One arrives at atheism not through brainwashing, but via rational, logical thought. It's a form of enlightenment.
I was brought up Christian but I can’t remember ever believing. I think we can hold onto the compassion, values and wisdom at the root of religion, and look at the world with humility and understand we really don’t know anything. That can scare some people, but not me
Good. You’re seeing the light. Rid yourself of the shackles of religion and start living your life in the freedom secularism gives you. I congratulate you and encourage you to continue thinking freely and on the basis of evidence and reason rather than dogma. Good luck to you.
I entered the seminary in 1994 and left the Roman Catholic Priesthood a few years ago. My best years lost. Some priests see through it all but stay because they’re afraid to go through what I’m going through now, feeling like “Brooks” in Shawshank Redemption upon his departure from prison after so many years.
If you don't see the greatness of God then all the things that money can buy become very exciting. If you can't see the sun you will be impressed with a street light. If you've never felt thunder and lightning you'll be impressed with fireworks. And if you turn your back on the greatness and majesty of God you'll fall in love with a world of shadows and short-lived pleasures.
Sir, your “best” years CAN BE at this time or in your future. The years that you lived under a celestial dictatorship are valuable, in that you have direct evidence not of deity but of the evils conjured up by the devotion to unquestioning belief without evidence, without rationality, and with the embrace of unquestioning obedience. Now that you are free of the arrogance of ignorance, live as though you are living with a free mind, a liberated mind, a mind able to confess, without shame or fear of punishment, that you do not know what you do not know. Now, go on and spread the words. Not the Word.
J Marici I think the religious people missed him the most, because they have no one push them to study their believe deeper so they can find answers to Christopher criticism.
Hitchens is a wizard. He decimated Souza. Would have loved to be at one of his lectures. Humanity has lost a legend whether we agree with him or not. What a genius!!!!!!!!!
Many of us mourn. Then there are others who anticipate with excitement being able to watch from on high as he roasts (literally?) for all of eternity. Though I don't find evidence for a heaven or hell, I can think of worse ways to spend eternity listening to and chatting with Hitch. Even if it's hot.
@@migbham1 you still prove him right even in his death. He said that all the fanatical followers of religion yearn for the end of all life an all civilisation. By spewing this nonsense you’ve just prove him right. And you’re damn right that there’s no evidence for the existence of hell. That’s because it doesn’t exist. There’s no evidence for the existence of Tartarus or Valhalla either, that’s because they don’t exist either.
I have a Hitch shaped hole in my heart, miss him. You can tell he's about to boil over at times, yet he manages to keep it together, a true professional, and a master of his craft.
You losers sure love your loser Hitch. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JiMqzN_YSXU.html The odds are NOT there. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-W1_KEVaCyaA.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yW9gawzZLsk.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ddaqSutt5aw.html
Dinesh: "In Christianity if you contemplated a sin, you've in a sense committed it" Christopher: "A thought crime, we know what you're thinking and you can be punished for it. That's totalitarianism" Dinesh: "tHaTs nOt wHaT JeSuS sAiD"
dinesh is brain washed, he comes from india yet he's following the western religion CLEARLY he was brain washed by white people at some point. You can tell he came to USA early as a child/teen and his brain got washed. He could've easily been a muslim/hindu if he stayed back home
If there was a God who 1) exists 2) is all powerful and 3) loves us... Wouldn't he/she/ it be able and willing to just part the clouds and appear to every generation, thus compassionately removing all doubt as to its existence and concern for us?
Assuming he exists - the third parameter is that he is all knowing. But there in lies the problem - as I've been saying since I was a child... he CAN'T be all 3 - it's illogical - if he's all knowing and CHOSE to create man KNOWING that the different races would forever try and kill each other / KNOWING that there would be different branches of religions who believed in him which would try and kill each other - let's start with the Protestants and the Catholics and move on from there / KNOWING that there would be genocides and babies would die of starvation / KNOWING that his apparently chosen people would suffer and die by the millions / KNOWING his creation would in turn create weapons which would annihilate not only whole cities filled with men, women and children, but also his other creations. KNOWING all this and being ALL LOVING .... he went ahead anyway and created till his little heart was content - then sat back and although ALL POWERFUL and could have changed or improved his creation... he just shrugged his shoulders because he gave man free will.... HMMM....pity so many babies die of starvation or at the hands of nutters before they are old enough to understand about free will and how much they are loved by their creator
@Mel Dummar And hopefully it would be done with more panache and professionalism than the average state of the union address....OR maybe not... I can see it now....god speaks and instead of two clowns behind him - there would be a whole chorus of angels who, every time god pauses, they would stand / raise their arms to the sky and sing in full voice Hallelujah!!
She could come down at Christmas, appearing at the North Pole so that nobody gets nationalistic about it. She will need to create herself a decent agent and media consultant. She could also create a new animal every year, to replace the ones we are inexorably making extinct.
@@abrahammulder you worship a genocidal demon that demands virgin girls be taken into sex slavery.. if there is a place for the wicked you and your demon will be locked away in hell for all time :) you're a pitiful psychopath.
D'Souza got hammered. Again. Nothing cheers me up more at the end of a hard day than listening to a Hitch/D'Souza debate and watching the Hitch mop the floor with D'Souza
@@neosapien247 Yea, I caught on to the sarcasm. It would appear then, that you are correct, that I was being opportunistic. Whether I’m a nut or not could be questionable. Peace!
@@neosapien247 Agreed. To go a step further I would actually say it depends entirely on whether there is an afterlife regardless whether we believe in it or not.
My hero. I feel like the world has lost one its most important people ...Hitchens was such a brilliant man. I'm so thankful for his work and his dedication to advocating freedom of thought.
True. I lucky to have just stumbled upon Christopher Hitchens about 2 years ago. And he just said it like it is? He honest, educated and spot on! I'm truly grateful and enlightened by his knowledge and wisdom.. ;)
I am sorry your god is dead. Perhaps he was just a foolish man? You are just one of those "intellectual" genius I presume. Hell is full of your kind......Get out of here, you bum!
@@eher1240370 lmao. Its not our god who is dead. We don't have one. Yours however is dead. And was tortured before he did. 😂. I have seen people projecting their insecurities but this is some next level shit
Much as I like Douglas Murray, he's no Hitch. Not Murray's fault, nobody is Hitch. Thank fuck for youtube. I'm still finding "new" Hitchens videos ("new" as in new to me, I haven't seen them before) all these years after his death, and I was a big fan when he was alive and before the cancer. Alas, though, I've seen this particular video before.
I am sorry your god is dead. Perhaps he was just a foolish man? You are just one of those "intellectual" genius I presume. Hell is full of your kind......Get out of here, you bum!
I bet they called the cleaning lady to tell her not bother coming to work the next morning... That facility floor was repeatedly wiped By Hitchens, using Dinesh as a mop.
I miss Hitchens so much. I am so thankful for these preserved debates and the audiobooks he narrated. It's a pleasure to listen and enjoy his brilliance.
I admire this man so much. I wish I knew about him when he was alive, I would have gone to see him. He puts into words what I'm thinking. I'm just learning about him.
Hitchens is an oldfashioned farty dogmatic, who doesn't believe in his own stuff. Only OK for the vulgar, intellectually naive masses. No loss for humanity.
How frustrating it must be for intelligent people like Hitchens and Dawkins to take part in these debates. Using reason and logic to explain concepts of reality to people who cant seem to even grasp the meaning of reason and logic
yes, i accept things that are true and evident, rather than fantasies made up by people to make themselves feel good no matter how completely ridiculous they are
***** Thus far, I don't think anyone has ever posited a viable solution to hard Solipsism. It seems a question right up there with the existence of God, though in Bayesian terms, I think it's far more likely we're the proverbial Brain in a vat than the creations of any of the posited Gods.
It's more they are trying to change the mind or influence the audience rather than try the same on their opponent. And disouza makes his whole career from spouting nonsense, wether he believes what he is saying or not he's gonna keep spouting shit
Dinesh gets his arse handed to him yet again. It must be a bag of mixed emotions for him with Christopher no longer being around to school him. You are sorely missed Mr Hitchens.
As always Hitchens is brilliant but I confess like many others who have commented that I opted to zoom past the rantings of the lesser beings - so let's hear it for Hitch who had to suffer through each and every word. Hitch could have continued being an excellent journalist, he could have just retired and enjoyed himself but for our benefit he continued, to the end, to spread truth, enlightenment, honesty and integrity. Thank you Hitch.
@@SandraLovesRoses So great!! And after Dinesh fumbles with his defeated double talk, his next sentence is " and now it's your turn to ask me a question ". That's obvious defeat. I love this shit!!🤓💕
Exactly considering almost everything that comes out of Christopher's mouth is a direct quote from 14th-19th century authors. I'm surprised he was never acused of being a plagiarist. Just goes to show how little read modern society is. I don't know who the little boy is but he's the only one I've ever seen give Christopher a challenge. I was pretty surprised to say the least. Needless to say, I don't agree with the little Indian boy, but I give credit where credit is due.
He cannot argue scientifically unless he studies the sciences, Hitch has studied various religions, that is why he can argue against a theist so successfully
What incredible hubris of any catholic organization to invite Hitchens to their program, a person who easily disembowels their creed. It's as if it's all just a game to them.
It’s maddening to hear the contrast of these intelligent and eloquent speakers and these meandering, fumbling students, stumbling their way about to a question.
To losers like you, yeah. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JiMqzN_YSXU.html The odds are NOT there. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-W1_KEVaCyaA.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yW9gawzZLsk.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ddaqSutt5aw.html
my favorite from DiNesh was the comment at the end about the choice of religion. Tell me does a 4 year old or 5 year old have a choice, because that's when religion swoops in to start it's teaching. By the time you reach being a teenager you've been barraged by it. That's why it took so long for someone like me to finally break free from it and realize that it is science and math to go by.
Indoctrination is everywhere in education - all schools have their teachers who are zealous in one cause or another. However `camouflaged` it will come out in their teaching. Our younger generations are now rolling through `snowflakes`, political correctness, and Woke. How they will be shaped in the future is anyone's guess!
According to Christian doctrine, you do have a choice, of course. You can choose to believe in Jesus, or you can choose to go to hell. Some choice, eh?
The great thing about Dinesh is that even though he is far more educated than me, I can see little flags saying "Argument from ignorance", "Special pleading", Logical fallacy" above his head every time he opens his mouth.
Why did they ever show up ? Everybody Hitch ever debated he destroyed and they just kept lining up like dominos. A life truly well lived. RIP Hitchens.
Generally true. I like the stronger rational arguments of Dillahunty and Harris (who focus on whether we actually have a sound justification for belief), but I think there's value in atheists presenting a variety of arguments. Hitchens' strongest argument to me was the moral grounds for opposing certain characters regardless of whether they exist: If a god is said to have drowned everyone without warning over a disagreement, we should oppose that as blatant tyranny, and Hitchens did. His weaker arguments relied on ridicule, but I think those arguments are perhaps even more convincing to theists than the purely rational ones. (Which is a bit sad, really, as I'd love if theists listened and were convinced by rational arguments, but I suppose if they were _there wouldn't be any more theists_ and we wouldn't even be talking about this.)
@@majmage I love Matt too he's fantastic but nobody could shake Hitch. He kept that necessary cool a debate required even when he was being an assh*le .
I don't think he's heard of anything that disproves his fantasies. If he has, his addled mind just phase it out like so much white noise. Seriously, he even argued that "if we were around more than 3000 years ago, how come we acomplished nothing?" We accomplished plenty, in fact. And we even recorded it as best we could. In my own land alone there are drawings on cave-walls and on the bleak faces of smooth sections of stones and the very earth we walk, telling of great hunters and their prey, their societies, their beliefs and much more. Oh sorry Dinesh, you wanted a 6K year old library full of English texted scrolls or something that explains everything? Yeah kind of sucks we did not have that 6K years ago, then we would be out in space now, bitching about punks in rag-tag ships writing graffiti on asteroids to show how cool they are. Kids man, what can you do, eh? Bit more serious though, his position is absurd. But then again, he's trying to defend something there is no proof of. We may not be able to disprove that Jesus was real, but he, like any Christian has no evidence for the supposed existence of God. His standard-fare Christian arguments that morality comes from God - in other words that *it is enforced upon pain of eternal torture* - is bullshit too. Any and all Atheisst who are not debased immoral pricks prove this every single day.
SiriusMined Actually he's more deluded than I originally thought - I made my above reply half-way though. At the end he makes the absurd claim that Islam don't accept conversion at gun-point, using violence. He did this in a pathetic attempt to prove some point and failed utterly at it. Shows what he knows. For the first 23 years of Islam's life Mohammed was supposedly alive. He essentially wrote two Quran's - one 23 years before his death and one 10 years before his death. Now, in his first 13 years he preached his message and made a little cult-following of 150 people, preaching peacefully, I remind you. 150 people in 13 years is not much at all, I'm sure you will agree. So he re-wrote the Quran entirely. The concept of Jihad, of fighting the unbeliever and so on an so forth did not exist in the first Quran. Not mentioned by a single word. After that for the last decade of Mohammed's life it was violent conversion by the sword using his little army of 150 followers as his basis. When he finally died 10 years later? Over 100,000 followers, all converts to his "faith" upon pain of death. *THAT* is how Islam started. A failed cult that grew into an ideology for conquest and totalitarian rule. Conversion at sword-point was bread and butter for Islam for over 1400 years and still happens today in some areas of the world if some reports are to be believed. In time ofc enough people were born into the faith that you got a steady following, and more and more people started converting peacefully as Islam became more and more established by claiming dominion over the conquered lands of the Jews, Christians and others that they invaded and assimilated. There is also the Dimmie status to consider, the 3rd grade citizens, (Women are the 2nd grade) a notch over the slaves, these Dimmies were reminded on a daily basis in a variety of ways that they were inferior and most eventually convert to Islam to be spared the sub-human humiliation and mistreatment they would get. To claim that Islam don't preach conversion at sword-point is about as ignorant a claim as you can make, and it just goes to show how far down Dinish is willing to slip to hope to prove a point.
And lets not forget the many people even to this day not touched by successful cultures/societies for whom something other than a sharp stick would be a technological marvel. He makes the assumption that if a 30 year old wooden shack in the woods suddenly burns down from a lightning strike, then that means the wood was never flammable until just seconds before the lightning hit... Lightning strikes such as bronze, crops for agriculture (leading to the end of hunter/gather societies solely focused on day to day living) or domesticated beasts of burden.
I love the point Hitchens makes about our rights beings the ones we fight for. If you look through out human history this is evident as there is never a god or gods only mentioning of a god or gods when it is actually humans who are interacting either taking, conceding, or granting rights to other humans.
Are you saying that random mutations don't exist? If random mutations exists wouldn't some form outside of natural support? Why don't horns sprout out of our skulls?
Keyboard Dancers. Indeed. I was saddened by the breaking of his friendship with Gore Vidal, whom I find to be another outstanding orator, writer and intellectual.
Maria Callous. I do care. That's exactly why I find that Anglican Bishops, though they may be kind (for now) men, are dutifully dismissed by those that find words without merely resorting to a singular, debunked text.
It just makes me cry when I hear a so called learned, intelligent man state there is a creator, it is always said for their own benefit, it is obvious to any body that studies history rather than fantasy. Rip Mr Hitchens
@@kevincoshner310 It never ceases to amaze me how sure the stupid are in their ignorance, whilst those people who really think about things are always open to new perspectives.
@@michaeldyas769 I am happy to be called `stupid` or any other name given by a complete stranger who has no idea of my background and abilities in life. The stupidity perhaps rests upon those who look at this amazing `one off` world in the whole universe and say this all happened by `chance`. `Chance` does not produce complexity and order as we have in a `one off` world that is suited to human sustenance. The `Goldilocks effect` only seems to apply to our planet. Our knowledge of all the other worlds in our systems is `rocks, dust and dearth, intense heat etc. If you are scientific in your approach you cannot quote `maybe` or `lucky`, or `waffle` about a parallel universe and other worlds we know nothing of. True and `hard core` Science deals with FACT, the `here and now` and what can be proven, not conjecture! Strange that, in nit!
@@kevincoshner310 I may have misunderstood your comment but are you suggesting that if we found evidence of life on other planets it may change your position? If we had a way to travel to every planet that is in a habitual zone related to its star in the universe and found anything growing or evidence that it at one point did, would you feel the same as you do now? Also, do you believe that Earth has alway had conditions that make it habital for humans since it’s beginning and will continue to eternally?
If you don't see the greatness of God then all the things that money can buy become very exciting. If you can't see the sun you will be impressed with a street light. If you've never felt thunder and lightning you'll be impressed with fireworks. And if you turn your back on the greatness and majesty of God you'll fall in love with a world of shadows and short-lived pleasures.
This bit where you list the names of famous scientists from hundreds of years ago and then remark that they were all Christian, like that means something important, is sort of amazing. It’s amazing that any human being in the history of humans finds that to be a compelling argument. It’s amazing that it’s still trotted out in conversation, let alone debate.
and, I admire some of these like Newton... and in my heart, he was an atheist. He wasn't stupid and played politics just to survive in his times. I believe if these scientists were transported into today... they would easily claim atheist. Peace ☮💜
The Jews can boast 20 times more Nobel Laureats than any other race. And their numbers are small. Religion didn't do THEM any harm. Quite the opposite.
One could just as well have listed the mathematicians and scientists of ancient Greece, Arabia, China who obviously would not have been Christian merely because they lived in regions virtually devoid of Christianity. Or Muslim poets such as Hafiz or Rumi whose delightful poetry still touches our hearts today. All of which says absolutely nothing about which religion they may or may not have followed.
Most delusional religitards argue like this. They never concede points they just move from one bad argument to a lie to fallacies followed by more nonsense and wishful thinking.
I don’t like to diminish someone’s intellect due to their religious beliefs, but I often do question how clearly intelligent people can believe in something so archaic. Obviously, I am with Hitch here.....again. I often envy some people of faith, for their unquestionable ability to deny oneself logic. To be able to carry out such cognitive dissonance is truly a talent. Truly.
I was just about to say that for some reason Dinesh didn't annoy me as some of the other Hitchens opponents have before but I'm glad i didn't, as an hour went by he actually pushed me even further atheist than i could have thought possible.🤣 im seriously baffeled as to how people can't see the hypocrisy of such arguments. Man i miss the Hitch!😢
I rematch this discussion on dreary days when I need comic relief that Souza provides. Watching Souza’s argument be eviscerated by Hitchens is icing on the cake.
*A bright torch of truth was lost to us when Hitchen's died. I would really enjoy hearing his critiques of current events.* *I bet he would have made some great meme's. . . .We miss you man!!!*
I echo your words. I “ found “ Christopher much too late in my life and even more so in his. Christopher had died before I had listed to him. The first speech I listened too was at the iq debate “ is the Catholic Church a force for good in the world “alongside Stephen Fry I was hooked there and then. I have listed to that debate many times. I find it , for reasons I cannot explain fully uplifting Positive , which I can understand will be somewhat confusing to some considering some of the subject matter discussed , anyway I’ve slightly digressed
How "sad" that being an atheist my entire life (got lucky to be born into an atheist family), I somehow managed to grow up not being a murderer and despise murderous movements like Nazism, which were based on faith. I simply respect myself and other human beings enough to not want to take advantage of others. Not out of fear of punishment by a higher being, but because it's simply a wrong thing to do. ....and the people, who "put the straight jackets on psychopaths" are scientists and doctors, not the church, who has plenty of those characters in charge of their covenants and churches, otherwise why would they rape children? 🙄🤦♀️
Obviously that fear is not stopping anyone is it. in fact it may be encouraging them because they know they can just ask for forgiveness and commit all the sins that they want, I mean Jesus will have died for nothing if you do not sin.
@@dr.rickmarshall6697 that is not how that works lol. If one is doing as you say, "in fact it may be encouraging them because they know they can just ask for forgiveness and commit all the sins that they want, I mean Jesus will have died for nothing if you do not sin." then they are not or ever a true Christian. It is clear you lack any intelligence on the matter except by which your professor told you believe.
@@seanpermann5570 oh and you can say who is or is not a "true" Christian you think you have the power to do this? but I lack any intelligence lol 😂 name one, just one instance where a religious "explanation" has replaced a scientific one. In fact, it is exactly the other way around: For hundreds of years humankind is pedaling away from mythic storytelling in ancient books. You however are living proof that some idiots rather declare reality for manipulated to satisfy their stupendous arrogance when obvious facts collide with their superstitions.
My dad, (1933-2017) was a great fan of Spinoza. His last wish was to be buried with the "Ethica" written by Spinoza. He also had "Richard Dawkins, the god delusion" on his bookshelfs and "Radical Enlightment". I never had the chance in the end to ask him, if he knew about Hitchins and the four horsemen. I think he would have LOVED these debates. I regret that. I started watching Hitchins when my father wasn't alive anymore.
"...A more happy life." - really? I think I live in a much happier life knowing I'm not constantly "judged" by my actions, that results in eternal guilt, and thinking when bad things happen is a punishment from God. The Bible is more than just about Jesus. It's a book about Fear, Guilt, and Death. It's by far the most labyrinth fundaments of historical tall-tales, poetic literature, psychedelic experiences one can perceive. Follow that? I 'rather follow the guidelines to "The Wizard of Oz".
osiris Blanche Anyone can join the dark side for cookies. Some join with others to be wholesome and wise, patience and kindness. When we miss he mark... well, some of us speak of our experience on youtube. We learn from what we've been told by parents, teachers, friends and heads of seminars. My personal experience is perhaps the point to a trust in God, and perhaps that's the point. Personal experience.
osiris Blanche My moral code has always been simple: Thou shalt not be a dick, lest thou be treated as one. A quick look through the Bible says that God is a dick. So, don't aspire to be godly. Problem solved. Further, I would rather believe an inconvenient truth than a comforting lie.
BlackEpyon I'm with you. I even find a virtue in my own interpretation of the first two Commandments. They boil down to Thou Shalt Not Worship Any False God. There are plenty available, from Wealth and Fame, .. to Golf , Cricket, Tennis, and American Football. and of course, the fictitious God of that not very praiseworthy trio, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and later of Moses, Solomon, and of the high priests Annas and Caiaphas.
osiris Blanche, Which "belief" is more rational and logical??? Two people, one Christian the other Atheist, are walking through an apple orchard coming upon 300 apples "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart. The atheist concludes "nice accident" and continues walking. Obviously, not thinking anything more about it - as that is how he/she is brainwashed by "secular" society and his/her education to believe. On the other hand, the Christian sees the exact same 300 apples "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart, and concludes "WHO IN THE WORLD DID THAT?" Which has a more rational and logical conclusion??? Logically, every building has a "builder" you cannot "see". Behind "order" is an "orderer". Behind an intelligent "design" is a intelligent "designer". Behind something that is "moving" there is a "mover" - that caused it to move. Now, let’s raise the "accident" odds. For me to write this post I have 3 Billion DNA "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart and for you to read this post you have 3 Billion DNA "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart, so over 6 Billion DNA working. Now, is that just a random "chance" and "accident" to have 6 Billion DNA in a "row" to carry on this conversation??? Is that really a logical and rational conclusion??? Please get to KNOW the supreme "orderer" of this universe, and what He expects out of your life to find "TRUE LIFE" ITSELF. Now, I recommend you watch former atheist Lee Strobel's "Case for the Creator", then read Josh McDowell's "Evidence Demands a Verdict". Follow the "Evidence", facts and "TRUTH" right into the ONE and ONLY established Church of Jesus Christ being the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH. May GOD open your eyes and heart guiding you to TRUTH HIMSELF Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
@@onetruefaith2091 its not that simple. There doesn't need to be a "designer" for there to be life. There is overwhelming evidence that life has evolved. If a human species can start from a speck, then it is possible for a speck to start from something less, eventually going to the beginning which could very well be a "big bang." In this universe. Your logic used here doesn't really work. Our bodies are not perfect, nor are our brains. You imply "our bodies were made functional so logically someone made it to function". That shouldn't be the assumption. Life simply adapts and evolves and the dominant genes throughout our species lead to our current forms. Nice try though.
Hitchens is an oldfashioned farty dogmatic, who doesn't believe in his own bullshit. Only OK for the vulgar, intellectually naive masses. Hitchens definitely should shut up.
She never answered but I would have been content with why she feels the need to turn people away from Islam. Reality is Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in the same God. We just have very different depictions of Him.
Piyush Singh Does conventional Indian wisdom really say ‘a strangers tears are just water’, (I may have misquoted, but I think that was the gist of Desouza’s comment)? That is truly cold 🥶. 🌈
Years after the death of Christopher Hitchens, D'Souza said on his social media that he beat Hitchens in debate, and claimed that Hitchens admitted to D'Souza that D'Souza won. He continuously debates Hitchens, referencing what Hitchens said, and attempts to argue against him long after his passing.
Thank fucking gawd our brains developed enough to elude the deadly woolly mammoth!! They might have stampeded us right into extinction!! Man oh man!! Close call on that one god. Thanks buddy!!!
"In the absence of evidence, I believe...." That's the issue right there. Why do you believe anything in the absence of evidence that supports the belief?
@z man You make your entire point as if you are right and you know it which makes your entire involvement in this conversation futile and you have completely embarrassed yourself. Christopher hitchens most likely does not think anything anymore because the vessel of his thoughts aka his brain has decomposed and no empirical evidence for any kinds of souls exist.
Hitchens is an oldfashioned farty dogmatic, who doesn't believe in his own bullshit. Only OK for the vulgar, intellectually naive masses. Hitchens definitely should shut up.
The religious "heavy hitters" all tend to basically be either throwing out the argument from ignorance, or circular reasoning. Or simply going "See this? WE DID THAT."
