The mass grave scene (with that soldier that said “which kind of American are you?”) was the biggest hit for me because each shot by his rifle really hit and gave myself a heart attack in such a tense and traumatic experience. He didn’t have any indication of who he’s with so if you said anything wrong, he would kill you.
I got the very strong impression they meant to portray him and his buddies as local self designated "Militia". Using the situation to kill whom they pleased.
Yeah, but the military had surrendered. He basically had only the protection of the secret service at that point. I agree he would have been in bunker but I don’t think he could have stayed down there forever.
@@zachhoward9099the president abolishing the FBI, one of the primary mechanisms that would investigate him for crimes, is a bad thing, correct. particularly in conjunction with running for a third term
What horrified me about this movie was even though the (can’t say cause it’s a spoiler) won, what did they really win? America was broken beyond repair.
@@mikedarren6658you silly goober the apache has m230 30mm chain gun, the mk19 is mounted on cars n shit, there's literally no m134 on a attack helicopter they are on sides of Blackhawks
Why would they have an attack chopper hovering 60 feet off the ground in the middle of a city blowing crap up? Dude....those missiles and crap can strike from so far away......
Not to mention.... in the movie it doesn't have the 30 millimeter but instead a 7.62x51 M134. So many things are messed up about that scene, not to mention it sounds like a UH-1.
@@HerrHabrecht Learn your weapons before you try to correct people. 30mm is the caliber of the chain gun on an Apache. 40mm is the Mk 19 automatic grenade launcher. M134 minigun is a real thing. Spec Ops use them. Of course, I don't see the guns in this abysmal movie ejecting spent casings when they fire....Let alone piss poor tactics...Texas and California join together? Seriously? When the real civil war kicks off the "press" will be the first targets.
Way to lift the spirits up, here in America! This movie is perfect timing, it’s like a woman that’s three weeks from her due date to deliver her baby and she goes and watches THE OMEN! Thanks for this. Lol
@@pitchforkpeasant6219 Its a warning to American movie fans among our population that the fantasy depicted is extremely realistic, & its not a scenario that could never happen because it clearly can. The violence the characters witness as journalists is not just combat in a foreign country like we as Westerners are used to seeing on the news, this fiction depicts us as being no different from places like Afghanistan, or Somalia if we do not acts together as US citizens & heed this message that no matter how partisan, or how much we want our team to be elected into power nothing on this Earth is worth another Civil War as much as dudes on Social Media, or celebrity assholes in our news media fan flames with our political class.
I'm in the army. Just came back from Syria and Iraq. They really knocked it out of the park in the realism department with these scenes. Packing wounds the correct way, clearing rooms, accurate uniforms, hand signals, signs of ptsd.. their military advisor and whoever hired them both deserve a raise
I am in the service too, & I came to the same conclusion. The action, the sounds, the guns depicted, the CGI, & the violence reminded me of Iraq totally. I cannot stop praising this awesome movie, & I hope people that see it get the clue that we need to avoid Civil War & violent Revolutions in this country no matter what because we do not want to turn into the Sudan, nor Iraq, nor anything that is depicted in this fictional Sci Fi story.
@@p.thriver5410 Sure, I agree but violence & civil combat is NOT the way. Maybe the director wanted to send a message about the hard job of war journalists, but I got the message that even fantasy depictions of this kind of combat here in the US is something I never want to see in reality & will do my part to keep it fantasy.
I can tell you from my time in the Marines as an 0311. Many would lean on the side of the people fighting the government. Also, the people in the military would have to comply with the civilians. Remember military members have family and friends not in the military. You don't want to get a letter if the mail is being delivered with something I can't say on this channel in it. You get the point. The prime reason many people do not defect from North Korea. It is not that it's hard to cross the border there. If you do so, the government will do away with your whole family.
And it makes the sound of an RC car while firing? It’s a large caliber round being fired at an insane rate, it should sound like it. Seriously how are sound designers still this incompetent, it’s 2024
@Veegs. If it sounded like the real thing then the only noise would he the helicopter and that would make a terrible scene that would annoy most people.
@rr-sp5ii I worked with apaches in the army, they do not have miniguns that sound like rc cars. They have chain guns that only fire at 600 to 650 round per minute. Not 6000 rpm like a minigun.
Michael's Herr's book "Dispatches," is written by an Esquire Journalist during the Vietnam War. The material is used in many award winning cinematic moments. A vivid description of madness.
@johnm7752 think about it, in Leave this world behind, it was the beginning of society shutting down. The rich prepping their bunkers. No word from the president. People taking things into their own hands.
What army, what secret service, what administration would protect a man who disbanded the FBI, who ordered airstrikes on american citizens, who refused to step down after losing an election? Like come on people. It would never get this far. Checks and balances? It’s a great movie, great action and Nick Offerman was perfect. It’s a criticism of Journalistic ethics with contrasting interpretations by editors and commentators versus combat correspondents.
@@richtea7868 It takes more than a common belief. A common belief in and of itself is one thing, but motivation and discipline and training all focused on a common outcome as well as a means of achieving that outcome is something else entirely. Not to mention the infrastructure, logistics, and support both mental and in terms of personnel required to get millions upon millions to mobilize over such a short time period ( we’ll say 4 years at least). Furthermore, how would a set of circumstances, which would include all the components I mentioned above, emerge in which a second American civil war would be the only possible outcome? Perhaps that is the question Garland also wants us to ask of ourselves? Remember also that words like, “government” and “country” and “Presidency” entail the workings and participation of millions of individuals at all times. My point is: the movie shows us an x, y, and a z while giving us a C, an M and maybe a W. Again, really good, really thought-provoking film. And, like most movies with such a scope, requires a fair amount of suspension of belief in order to enjoy it.
Did he actually lose the election though? All I have heard is that he was in a Third Term, and TBH as much as the FBI has become a political weapon anymore that both parties use to quash dissent is it such a bad thing if it were dissolved?
They are regime loyalists who stand for nothing except their own comfortable advancement, & power over the rest of us alone. We have many disgusting monsters like this in real life who do work at these various agencies, & would do this very same thing depicted in this fantasy movie. This answers why in Nazi Germany so many went down in flames in the end when it was clear Germany was about to lose WW2, or why some of Saddam's thugs kept fighting. People are not too different all over the world.
Just hack the voting booths and see who stuffed the ballots and run their info. The real question that should be asked is, Do you believe in the Bible as it's written, and do you fully support the Constitution?
That would be the end. “UN” will step in, Mexico definitely won’t miss the chance. I don’t think anyone is ready for such event. Be careful what you wish for.
It's wild to think this could even possibly happen, whenever you're regularly driving just between a handful of towns and cities in a small fraction of your one state, and it still can take hours at 80 MPH just to get anywhere, on uncontested roads, clear traffic, and everyone is cooperating. We can't even shoot missiles from one town to the next here in the US, the distances between anywhere is so massive, and you're like trying to drive fuel hungry vehicles from one place to the next?
@@pitchforkpeasant6219 Lot of roads so thin, farm trucks gotta take turns pulling over, river bridges one-vehicle wide that a loaded Uhaul would collapse, and dirt and gravel roads. It's remarkable just how bad it could be if the interstate wasn't available.
This movie reminds me of another movie based on real events called “ The 5 day War” . Movie is based on incident of invasion of Georgia 🇬🇪 by Russia; atrocities and war crimes committed and nobody in the world cared about it because everyone was watching the Winter Olympics in Russia. Only a few brave audacious Journalists risk everything to try to get the news out but all news outlets where showing the stupid games. Also; what happened in Rwanda in 1994.
It was during the summer Olympics in Beijing. Georgia invaded a Russian enclave (Abkhazia) and they rightfully got whacked. Atleast get your story right.
I’m not going to Google but I remember in school, can’t remember if it was middle school or high school. But Russia invading Georgia was all over the news and we spoke about it in my history class (my teacher was based AF). I’m 33 now
Unfortunately without the US, China will annex you the next day. They would double their land with almost no increase in population, and then use that as a launching platform for the rest of the Americas. Those are the facts.
@@avrracer4175The French just told Putin they want all the smoke. They aren’t worried about him escalating,Putin should be worried about France & Poland escalating.
I wouldn't say that. I'm a conservative, and I saw it. The movie didn't really focus on any political bias. The point of it was to show how horrible something like this would actually be. If anything, it poked at both political sides
I've lived through this shit in central Africa and Central America. This is pretty damn close but not near as bad as it would really be. When everyone looks the same and you can't tell the enemy from friend or even understand what the hell they are fighting for, it gets very real. What most people don't understand is that if this happened in the US, it would not be the Civil War that would be the worst of it. Our enemies, Russia and China, would decimate us.
@@garrett4971No it wasnt. Thats not how propaganda works. Propaganda can only work when it covertly pushes a specific narrative, its a subconscious process. They werent actively taking a political stance, but they were creating a hypothetical political framework that resembles their worldview. Racist militia men killing immigrants, only Whites fought for the DC gov., while the Texas-California alliance was multiracial. These things rhyme with their worldview.
I really liked the movie but I feel let down that there was so little world building. Where are the prequel novels or other books to expand this fictional universe as was done with other genres?
Tbh i think a lot of people are focussing way too much on how this film relates to current US politics, its not, if you look at interviews with Alex Garland, he wasn't really looking to make this parallel with what is currently happening. Imagine the boycotts and controversy it will get if it was based on what we have now? The film is purely about war and how shit it would be in the US, and war films are not meant to talk about politics.
It is a glimpse into the future, a deterrent for what could happen to America. All empires fall is true though, it is inevitable due to human natures. How it fall is hopefully not war and destruction.
The movie is purely about war? Yet provides no explanation of any conflict...... And honestly you see how bad it would be for the US, but the way this is presented to the viewer appears to be the tamest major war of a military nation for the last 100 years.... Compare the scenes of this movie to literally any documented war and this movie looks like a picnic.... Ooooooh we got fires in New York, and roadblocks in Iowa, and a destroyed memorial in DC. Bruh wtf are these writers smoking...... In ukraine theres a 100 mile zone were not a single building any city has a roof anymore... Wtf are we watching here thinking that this movie even remotely illustrates the realities of urban conflict in wars between military powers. Its a joke how "violent" the conflict in this movie is.
Love how people seem to consistently say Texas and California could never get together. Have you seen Austin recently? Whole place is turning into CA squared
people tore this movie apart, BUT I don't think it was really meant to be the best groundbreaking story or script. I think it was ment to document the horrors of War, I say this because as I watched this in theaters you feel a lot of emotions ranging from fear to anxiety and stress, there are tense, lip biting suspenseful and horrifying scenes of brutal gun fights, standoffs, mass graves, depressing refugee camps. it really shows the brutality of war. This movie came out in time where the world is as uncertain as ever, I think this is a reminder that war is not a blissful thing, and we take are peace for granted.
If Congress called forth the Militia there would be no need for "civil war". maybe they want us fighting each other instead. together we are stronger than any socialist democracy. Long Live the Republic.
Those militias won't do jack. No the only ones that want us fighting against each other are the Conservative Christian Republicans. Socialism is everywhere in The US. Tons of RW are on food stamps too.
@@roostercogburn8700 If you really care read the constitution. Artical1 section8 paragraphs 15 and 16. Then see how it applies to the second amendment. The Militia is the People protecting the People from the government.
Congress can’t call out the militia. Only provide for it. I suspect that you might not understand the history of the second amendment. You seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding of the function of militias.
@@aguynamedscott11 Then why does article 1 section8 of the constitution says that Congress has the power to call forth the Militia to enforce the laws of the Union?
I always thought the most realistic portrayal of a current day Civil War was Euel Arden’s novel, Down Here in the Warmth. Great book. How can you go wrong with Militia on the streets of Manhattan.
America depends on its allies to back them up because they cannotnwin kn their own. And Yes countries would sit back when you have a Simpleton selling their secrets for money and pretending to be a WANNABE dictator. Their again Russia may help you they did help in electing an Idiot putin puppet to start all this off.
That was to throw you off of the 'Florida Alliance' which is basically all of the south before the actual civil war in 1860. This is a woke movie but subtle enough to fool you.
I love the scene where the F22s do a random roll for no reason as they pass over the camera. No they would never do that. That’s absolutely fucking totally stupid. I mean if you’re not gonna get the stuff right at least get the photography stuff right… right? They didn’t do that either?! oh… oh my.
I think it’s more dumb that they show jets overhead, the older reporter practicing to ask the President about air strikes on civilians then cut to a suicide bomber going off and implying that you’re seeing an air strike happen.
I am really surprised there are not more comments like this. The previews made it look like it would be about the conflict, not a special interest story about reporters. Very disappointed as well.
Man if only the Brotherhood Of Steel Came out of Nowhere with grey Military Gear and Black Military Uniform. Now that would have been good. (but likely we will never get that. perhaps Fanarts ofcourse)
the apache is so comical. I don't think they intended for it to be funny, but I can't stop laughing. They'd never needlessly expose themselves by flying this way. Plus the CGI looks horrendous and just adds to the hilarity of it all.
Once you've shot your load of hellfire missles, close air support down in the weeds might be required, but that would be a poor choice. The Tanks and APC'S can shrug off stuff that would bring down that Apache. The ONLY advantages of getting between the buildings would be restricting the angles where the helo can be targeted by a stinger AA missile.
I saw the film two times in Imax, Cinema was invented for such films, no streaming can hold a candle to it. The images are fantastic, with a few exceptions it looks very realistic. The soundtrack is fascinating, the last track at the end/credits gave me goosebumps. I saw the film first in German and then in the original version, in the original version it is even a little better.
I thought this movie was going to bomb. I was wrong, that trailer did a bad job at selling this movie. I personally love dystopian films as well as alternate history in general. The plot reminds me of an EAS scenario I watched last year, and I feel this movie was executed really well. By the end, you are left there realizing the good guys aren’t really all that great so you have to side with the ‘better’ of 2 evils. War in general is not in black in white, there’s no true good guys in this movie.
@@ethanhall7314 What? Plenty of empires have lasted much longer. The British Empire existed from the 1500s into the 20th century. The UK is still a competent country today. Rome lasted nearly a millennium. France is still quietly running a colonial empire. The list goes on.
Russias waiting to invade the rest of Europe once the U.S. is no more and China is waiting to invade Taiwan, South Korea and Japan. Meanwhile Australia and New Zealand are just gonna peace out.
@@dyu4634 Not everyone gets it right - including Oscar Wilde. What people don’t seem to consider is that America’s transformative society is its civilization. It’s never one thing for too long and that disruption confuses people, but it’s what creates the dynamism that is special and unique to the world. The quote doesn’t consider too, that history is rife with “civilized” societies burning to the ground.
@@justinhoover5516one common denominator among all societies is human nature which has never changed. Greed amongst those in power always wanting more and justifying to themselves it’s best
the helicopter scene,idk if they are trained to do this but who tf just hover a helicopter in that urban area like that:v just like tank,just need a dude with an anti tank/air weapon can take down that helicopter easily lol
The real writer of rain man was forced to sign an NDA and then sent to fed prison for supposedly writing a letter a federal judge considered threatening. Aaron was given the dreaded diesel therapy of bus rides across the USA and stays at lovely county jail like Youngstown Ohio that will shut up anyone. Gray State was civil war on steroids they stole his movie.
How is it that the movie comes out tear later it really happens ?? Like they know it’s coming here’s yalls food for thought either get ready to run hide or Fight it’s crazy like that now
