Class 1, 2, OR 3 Ebike - Why YOU Should Care!

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Like, Share & Subscribe! Which class of electric bike are you riding? Do you know the difference between a Class 1, Class 2, and Class 3 Ebike? The reason that you should know may surprise you. Thanks for watching and enjoy the video.
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@3DPDK Месяц назад

One of the problems in all of the states' laws that limit the motor to a specific wattage is that this is NOT a peak mechanical power *output* rating of the motor. While horsepower can be converted to watts; ie, 1 horsepower = 745 watts (in mechanical force), the wattage rating listed on any commercial DC motor is the peak electrical power input the motor can withstand without damage to it's windings (and brushes if it has them). If you run a 750 watt motor with a motor controller and battery that can output 1000 watts, that controller will supply 1000 watts of electricity to that motor. The DC motor's available have no self regulation and will utilize what ever power is supplied. It's like plugging a 110volt,100 watt lightbulb into a 220volt outlet - the bulb being equivalent to the motor. The bulb will (briefly) operate at 200 watts. Overdriving the motor like this puts a lot of heat stress on the coils within the motor, but 1000 watt input to a 750 watt motor will operate that motor 125% above it's listed wattage rating, and a lot of people do this. If they must put restrictions on e-bikes' power, the restriction SHOULD be based on the controller's output maximum instead. You can have a 2000 watt motor, but if the controller is regulated to 750 watts (which many are by factory default), the motor will only output the mechanical power of that 750 watt input. This arrangement means the motor is never sinking the maximum electrical power it can, and by operating at less than 100% of it's capabilities the life of the motor is greatly extended. A 1000 to 1500 watt motor driven by a controller "strapped" to 750 watt output is the perfect setup for a long lived e-bike drive system and actually restricts the bike to the speed limits they are trying to impose. The problem is that the law makers are not electrical engineers and technicians and have a complete misunderstanding of what the motor wattage rating means. So do a LOT of the "experts"

@acc5852 Месяц назад

It's ALL ABOUT being courteous to your fellow human beings. Lets share the path and enjoy.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Thank you. And thank you for watching. You are 100% correct. Unfortunately that would be common sense and that is not very common anymore. Lol enjoy your evening.

@jasonkrantz8946 Месяц назад

Class 3 no throttle cut off at 28mph

@southernebiking Месяц назад

I believe that would be me as well, Jason. Thanks for watching.

@Nemonurwingy Месяц назад

The cat is too far out of the bag, I doubt there will be any real changes to class 1, 2, and 3. I don’t think anybody is going to have any issues with “normal” e-bikes. I’ve never heard about insurance refusing to cover someone injured in an accident because they had a throttle. For the 1,000+W nominal stuff, those people might have an issue, though those are illegal in all states I know of currently, I have not seen any real enforcement on that. If you’re clocked going 28 mph or less, I can’t see getting in trouble no matter what you are riding. I have not seen any action on cracking down on sales, I would be shocked if there was. I ride an EUC with a 2,800W nominal motor that regularly peaks above 8,000W on rides. Those are generally on speed runs when I’m getting off a fast road. The rest of the time I’m going 25-30 or less, a normal ride has a speed of 18-20 mph as the average. I stand out like you can’t even believe, cops have seen me hundreds of times, they don’t care because I’m moving like an ebike. Up to 25 mph is legal in my state, nobody really cares about the times above that since it’s just done to keep up with car traffic and I’m certainly less dangerous than a car at 1/10th the weight.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

I do not believe they will change the class definitions, even though the CPSC is looking at that right now. I do believe they may start to enforce on different bike trails the classes. I know I think the majority of these issues are going to be centered around bike trails and not roads. as far as the insurance company. I am speaking about your auto insurance policy typically will have a rider that will cover you if you are riding a bicycle and are in an accident with an uninsured driver. If your state defines an E bike as the same as a regular bike. Believe me if your bike does not fall under that definition, your auto insurance will leave you in a heartbeat. Your health insurance would still cover you. I am not speaking of that. I am talking about Part of an auto insurance policy. I do not know about all the state, but I do know many of them cover you if you were on a bicycle as well. But the only way that would be in affect is if your state defines what you are on as a bicycle. it does not cover you. If you are on a , say, go kart. Thanks for watching.

@e.miller8943 Месяц назад

One important factor in E-bike rules is that there are federal as well as state rules. The federal rules are now being examined with a possible change to european rules because of E-bike fatalities.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

You are correct. I don’t believe they’re going to adopt a European standard, but I do believe they are going to start to tighten up on the classes that we have. Thanks for watching.

@davidfarm8095 Месяц назад

This is another case of government making class changes that may keep changing. I need a e bike that can get me up and down hills. I have a bad knee and copd. I need throttle so I can get home if I can't power the bike with my legs. I never know when I will have problems. I can't exercise without help.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Definitely need to look at a Middrive. That will at least address the power issues for the hills. Thanks for watching.

@garywillhoit Месяц назад

Illinois has a bike rules of the road for bikes online at the Secretary of State web site.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Most states do have a section can be locked up. Thanks for letting us know Gary.

@ziploc2000 Месяц назад

750W is the nominal power rating, not the maximum power output. Yes the current system is a mess. I specifically bought a Class 2 eBike with a 500W hub motor as I wanted that throttle assist for starts and hills, but I never use it for just continuous riding. After a few months I discovered by accident that my motor will assists past 20mph whem pedaling - but I almost never pedal that fast. I have considered getting a 750W motor for my existing bike, but I'd only ever need that extra power on really steep hills. One day I'll get a true 750W fat tire bike just for fun. Meantime I also now have a recliner eBike with a 1000W mid-motor, so as you can imagine that thing can shift, but I only ride with with the family, usually towing my 9yo son on a second recliner. That eBike is a conversion by a company in Portland OR, and we got it second hand.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

That is going to depend on how your state defines it. Some states just say a 750 W motor. Other side at 750 W maximum. That is the ones that would be maximum peak of 750. This is one of the reasons that Europe is filled with Middrive bikes. They are certainly more efficient for the size of motor. Thanks for watching.

@Papi-global Месяц назад

Love your relationship with your wife😂😂😂 I’m going to take your advice

@southernebiking Месяц назад

@@Papi-global thanks much for watching. 😀

@stevecumming6427 Месяц назад

You seem to have the federal law right on the 3 e-bicycle classes of 750 W motors or less but its what the manufacturer tells the govt when selling the ebike. Mine is a 750W Class 2 as labeled by the manufacturer on the consumer product they sold. It has a 1200W peak power but the controller limits the top speed at 20 mph. The peak power is used on hills & starting from a stop. So what I do to my property after buying a consumer product, is none of any governments business in a free country.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Thanks for watching Steve

@hardyharr1361 Месяц назад

Amen

@BrettWoodBiking Месяц назад

I see pure pedal power cyclists wearing the spandex on the bike trails blasting by me and pedestrians at 25-30+ miles per hour. They don't ring the bell, You're lucky if they say "on your left" but it's usually too late by the time they blast by you. They all think they're Olympians and only the bike path is for them. These are the people that are mostly complaining this into existence if you ask me. At least in my area... Elitists. Off topic but, some even say e-bikes are cheating. Cheating what? Heck wearing shoes is cheating compared to walking barefoot. I don't know where people draw the line in their minds. The point is , The danger is the person not the bike. 🙄

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Very well, put and I agree with you bret. I am trying to find a radar gun right now so that we can just set along the bike trails and find out exactly how fast bikes are going versus Ebikes. I agree with you that typically speaking the road. Cyclist our worse. They keep their head down for aerodynamics, and they do not want to slow down. Because then they would have to build their momentum back up. That is much more unsafe. Then the majority of ebikes that are out there, mostly being ridden by older couples, are individuals out for a leisure ride. Justin FYI this town just now made this a permanent ordinance. I am looking into the facts on it so that I can bring them To our viewers. I believe it is one hundred percent unlawful, but they are relying on the fact that no one will fight it. Thanks much for watching

@jefffather4663 Месяц назад

Here in NoVA, they are massively ARROGANT....especially on bike paths that cross the road...one guy recently attempted to cross the road, but never checked for cars and got hit...

@mobi1etone Месяц назад

Class 1: 15.5 mph, no throttle, 250w. in the UK. Only thing legal here unless it's for offroad.

@mobi1etone Месяц назад

750w Illegal in Europe. 250w Rated only.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Thank you for watching. I do not believe the United States will take it all the way down to 250. But I do believe they are going to be tightening these regulations up a bit. Enjoy the rest of your day.

@mobi1etone Месяц назад

@@southernebiking Yeah, There are a few tricks us ebikers use over here to get around things. ;) The police have had a clampdown the last couple of weeks, and on Saturday they seized 30 bikes to crush. Some of them were really nice. It's those SuRon type riders that are causing all the problems and us pedal dudes get caught in the crossfire. A good thing to cover in a video would be bike insurance maybe? I have public liability and theft etc cover which was only 60 for the year. Happy trails!

@stoffel6348 Месяц назад

Where can the rules/laws for NC be found? I have a Wired Freedom on the way! Man, i used to cruise around Shelly Lake in the early 90's when i was a teenager, its still looking really nice!

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Thanks for watching. Shelley, like a still a great place to ride. You can find the rules under NC.gov, of course. But a good summary can be found on the website people for bikes. They do have a whole section that gives you an overview of each individual state on their current laws. North Carolina recognizes the classes of ebikes. They have the same rights, privileges, and responsibilities as regular bicycles. I would have to double check on the class three on that but I am pretty sure it falls under that same category. Again thanks for watching. The whole Raleigh area has a great cycling infrastructure.

@richh650 17 дней назад

People are allowed to build an ultra light airplane but yet e-bikes are going to become government restricted?

@southernebiking 15 дней назад

@richh650 They would do the same with the light airplanes if they felt like they could get some money off it. Thanks much for watching friend

@Alberto-ju5qg Месяц назад

Texas has the laws on e-bikes Class one 20 mph on pedal alone Class 2 20 mph on throttle And class 3 28 mph on pedal alone and up to 20 mph on throttle

@pedrofernandez8729 Месяц назад

Kev Central just did a review on a new Wal mart e bike, around $500, no throttle, 350 Watt motor. i think this is the future of e bikes in the US and if so, e bike sales will plummet, with a demand for used ones instead. I'd say that 100% of riders in my are, never pedal, so they would never buy one w/o a throttle.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Thanks for watching Pedro. The CPSC is already discussing having a more European approach. I don’t think it will happen completely, but we may get parts of it.

@user-gn5uy6lx7z Месяц назад

There should be a class 4 for the ebikes that goes 35-45mpr. A class 5 for 45-55mpr and class 6 for higher. I own an aniioki ,I can get 35 going down hill with the wind pushing me. I should not be in the same category as an ebike that can do 75mph. Totally unfair

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Thank you for watching. That would be a good idea.

@3DPDK Месяц назад

There is a class for "high speed e-bikes" in most states; they are classified as "electric motor vehicles", "electric powered motorcycle" or in some cases, simply "motorcycles". It's just that the people using them, because they have peddles, don't realize (or ignore) their bike is subject to all the laws pertaining to motor vehicles and motorcycles in the state. The main distinction in most states is speed, or at least this is what will cause a COP to stop an e-bike on the road. In Louisiana this distinguishing speed is 30MPH regardless of class listed by the manufacturer. It's 28 MPH in North Carolina. If clocked above these speeds the person operating the bike can be ticked if the bike does not comply with motorcycle laws and regulations of the state - DOT approved helmet, license and registration, valid driver's license with motorcycle endorsement, motor vehicle insurance, and all the safety equipment required for a motorcycle.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

@@3DPDK as you can see, the problem with the class definition is that all E bikes, get lumped together. I believe a better solution would be to name anything that is not a defined pedal, assisted bicycle, something other than an E bike. Or vice a versa have a different name for those pedal assisted.

@3DPDK Месяц назад

@@southernebiking In my opinion, attempting to classify a power assisted bicycle of any drive arrangement is a pandora's box of legal loop holes worse than Swiss cheese and I believe a foundation to further licensing and registration regulations that will come next. Bicycles already have to follow state traffic laws. A manual bicycle rider that blows through a stop sign or red light will receive a ticket for doing it if they are seen doing it and the COP has a mind to enforce the law on a bicycle rider. Now that e-bikes are capable of exceeding posted speed limits in some cases they can and should be ticked for doing that, too. I think that's as far as any local state or federal government regulation should go.

@danootto6382 Месяц назад

Hey Blain! How fast do you think that last regular bike came at you at the end of the video.? He was cranking with no motor. That's a huge potential accident

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Funny, you mention that. We’re looking at how to do a video addressing that exact situation. Thanks for watching down.

@danootto6382 Месяц назад

My 2 cents guys Let's go back 30 years. Bicycles were bicycles. Mopeds ruled small motor goings. I was fine riding 15 mph on my 20 lb. Racer. I could go faster though on it. Instead of wanting, as Michele said, 10 million mph, we were, and should all be just happy with an ebike like hers. Mine is the fat tire version of hers. That's a 73lb beast (fat) and I use throttle when I get stuck in a low ditch off trail. I truly believe it's these few bad apples in the masses that abuse regular curtesy riding that cause the furious new banning threats. These ones are a small % but over the number of ebikes, still are a big amount causing property damage and even deaths. If we all rode like you two, with others in mind and reasonable speed, this class discussion wouldn't be any issue, but rather like your wife says "We wouldn't care, as long as it does what we need"

@southernebiking Месяц назад

If they would take care of the real problem, which is the nuts behind her handlebars most of the time. They can leave everything from the handlebars down alone. Thanks for watching.

@danootto6382 Месяц назад

@southernebiking ohhh that's soooooooo right spot on!

@dylanpierce_ Месяц назад

The faster your bike, the more regulation you should be subjected to. People casually make 35mph bikes & call them e-bikes. That's legally a moped across all 50 states & would be subjected to registration, insurance, etc. Why are people afraid of paying more for doing more? I think this issues revolves around riders coming to terms with "e-bike" & "pedal-motorcycle". Treat it like a motorcycle/dirt bike & this solves 99% of an individuals concerns. I'd much rather have a no limit motor, pedals, & be treated like a vehicle, instead of being banned from everything because I act like a motorcycle & don't pay for it.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Thank you for watching dylan. This is exactly why I had called over a year ago. For anything that was not a legally defined. Electric bicycle to be called something other than an ebike. I was very concerned about the loopholes. On these very fast ebikes, and how I knew they were going to be closed. It looks like my fear was confirmed as they are trying to close this loophole like a noose around the neck of people that are just riding electrical assisted bicycles. That is a shame. I have no problem with these fast bikes. And honestly I think they're pretty cool and would love riding them around. But I also would be expecting to have to pay the price of doing so. Again thanks for watching

@DustinLee2001 Месяц назад

I need that 80mph commuter ebike already. Bike insurance is cheap anyway.

@chuckwolf9869 Месяц назад

Just my opinion but I think they need to increase the amount of wattage an ebike can legally have to 1500 watts continuous per motor, with no defined peak output However to be considered an electric bicycle it must have working pedals that work in conjunction with the motor when the motor is under power. So electric dirtbikes that only have throttles would be defined at an e-motorcycle. Also the various Classes class 1, 2, 3 or even 4 shouldn't be a legal regulation, but more a first glance guide for the consumer as to the capabilities of the bike they are considering to purchase. There are already laws that regulate how fast you can ride a bicycle, they're called the speed limit signs on the side of the street.

@tenza7545 Месяц назад

Mah. I’ll stick to my illegal e-bike a 750 watt is just to weak for the hills I have. My 1700 watt is to weak. They took classes 4 5 and 6 and reclassified them as motorcycles.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Then you get an electric motorcycle instead of a electric bicycle that’s pretty simple.

@DriverJ-N Месяц назад

Get a wired or ecells 5 star

@garywillhoit Месяц назад

Michelle IS always right.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

She is. That’s why she said she always listens to me. Lol thanks for watching.

@jamesbarry2388 Месяц назад

No one cares just go the speed your supposed to! Thats what I do bicycles can go 35 mph. No ones talking about them. Because no bike racer is on the trails. Just be responsible. No one wants to ride just 20 mph so boring. Who cares regular bikes are all over the place. So e-bikes have the right to do the same as well

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Thanks for watching

@jasonkrantz8946 Месяц назад

Nope not enough power

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Thanks for watching

@joechunter1 Месяц назад

Is someone really going to stop a person on an ebike and research your bike class? I think not! Just ride with courtesy and safety. The path should be enjoyable for everyone. 😊

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Thank you for watching joe. That is my concern that they are too lazy to do exactly what you said. The reason it is my concern is because this town just passed an ordinance that has made all ebikes. Illegal within their town. I am in the process of looking up the exact verbiage. I should be getting some updates going within the next week. Or so.

@theepimountainbiker6551 Месяц назад

This video is going to change the world the way we know it. You got it on video, it happened

@southernebiking Месяц назад

Thanks for watching.

@garywillhoit Месяц назад

Many European countries have more bike riders than car drivers. They have a bike infrastructure. Ebikes are heavy to keep their price down, and not break the frame, while using. All bike riders are financially responsible if they cause damage. Any bike that goes over 30 should be licensed as well as the rider. Like gas powered mopeds.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

According to most state laws, any electrical, two wheeled cycle that goes over 30 miles an hour does not fall under the definition of an E bike. So technically, at that point, it is supposed to be registered and licensed to be on the road. Actually, they’re not really even allowed on the road. Or bike trails. But that’s getting into the technical part of it. I do not believe that these bikes have to remain as heavy as they are. I think much of the problem is they are trying to make them more like an electric motorcycle with a super powerful rear hub drive. This means you need a lot of battery. This is what is adding the weight. Thanks for the input Gary.

@garywillhoit Месяц назад

Capitalism won't allow this to happen.

@pedrofernandez8729 Месяц назад

Look around you, my friend, I am seeing things in this country, I'd never thought I would see.

@garywillhoit Месяц назад

Look at the tariff on Chinese goods. Trying to protect non-existent US producers. You still live in a limited democracy. Even a felon can run for president. Call your political leaders. Complaints on RU-vid are a waste of time.

@southernebiking Месяц назад

There is a little bit of truth in that. But I keep going back to January 1988. Sale of any three wheeled motorcycle was banned throughout the United States that month. That come, because the CPSC did a study and pushed for this. The CPSC is studying injuries and deaths in the ebiking right now. Not many things surprise me anymore.