Classic WoW Has a Serious Problem... | Staysafe Reacts 

ww3 starts behind him: "STOP BEIN SO LOUD IM REVIEWING WOW!"

Classic players sure love to talk about the leveling experience in such a black and white way and than buy gold to pay for mage carries on their 15th character

1:14 I vividly remember buying vanilla wow in the fall of 2006 for $19.99. I remember looking at the back of the box in the gamestop and seeing "subscription required". My argument to my mom to let me buy it then and there was that it included 1 month free and I would probably be done with the game after a few months anyways (top fucking kek).

Turtle Wow team should take over Seasonal Servers on Classic Era Wow. They are too good at what they do.

the bit that always gets me about MMO nostalgia, so many people started in the early days but they were in a different age group. "2003, I was in elementary school". In 2003 I was halfway through college. I didn't start playing MMOs until Wrath (2009) but by then I was already a working stiff. So much of what colors people's memories of WoW is nostalgia, I find. I say this because when I hear about what people lament as being lost, it really sounds like a lot of what people miss is being 12 and negotiating playing on a weekday or binging on a weekend when you have chores and homework. I was already paying taxes and bills, so for me, my start in WoW was very different.

I was lower middle class and I could still play it. My family got a desktop pc for christmas from one of our relatives & we saved up for proper internet. I paid my sub to wow through gametime cards i bought from our local retailer with the money i saved up from moving lawns and doing other chores around the neighbourhood. I even got paid by the local recycling company by cleaning up trash around the community, sorting it and handing it over to them.

I agree the leveling process should be important aspect of the game. I loved Vanilla questing as a journey not a rush to 60.

Funny cause WoW was known to run on anything back in the day, part of the reason it was so popular is because a potato could run it.

I will never understand how people accept being fleeced by a company over cosmetics/useless microtransactions.

Your dad was a good dad! My dad had his head in an engine.

Bro..."world of warcraft was for middle class to Upper middle class gamers". You couldn't be further from the truth. Myself and plenty of other broke ass people played WoW. The fact that it had an affordable monthly sub in order to gain access to all content without any p2w was absolutely huge for gamers on a budget.

I would disagree with the Middle or Upperclass only take, in 2004-2008 My family was not VERY Poor borderline homeless however we had a single mom, single car, she worked, my brother worked, and I did lawns around the city just to afford hand me down and used PCs just in order to play on our Dial up. Ive met a lot of players who were fairly below middle class playing.

I was so proud recently getting my AOTC Fyrakk mount skin. I managed to get it 3 weeks before season 3 ended and I was so proud of the achievement I had made. Not even a week later I came across a guy on his fyrakk skin mount saying “why isn’t everyone on their fyrakk mount? Are you all too poor to pay for a run?”. Honestly it ruined it for me for a while. I’d gone from being 1 of only 2 people in my casual guild to have this skin and feeling super proud to now feeling disgusted I’m being lobbed into the same group as this obnoxious blood elf death knight who payed his way to get the same thing without trying at all. I know and all my close friends know the weeks and weeks I went into the raid with pugs grinding away to get this but it still sucks to know that maybe the general populous thinks of me as nothing more than someone who pays for runs like this other guy. Id almost welcome a server that didn’t allow micro transactions and swap to it so I wouldn’t have to deal with these braggers anymore

Classic wow isnt classic.

Why ppl call them microtransactions? It's Macrotransactions, some of that shit costs more than my damn keyboard lol.

I downloaded my vanilla WoW install in 2006 I'm not sure why people are thinking it wasn't directly downloadable until Wrath. I had the free 10 day trial that took the better part of the day to download in November 2006. Good times that.

Don't even lie, RuneScape had membership for like a year or two before wow

The biggest problem are people with no spine who still keep giving away money to Blizzard. If you didn't notice what they were becoming by wotlk/cata you deserve being used for your weak addiction

$90k per year is impoverished in Orange County.

@1:15 Thats not true at all. One of the biggest selling points of original WoW was that you didnt need a high end computer to play, unlike other games at the time. Also, higher speed internet was very common on college campuses where WoW was extremely popular. I had guildmates who played on dial-up. Wasnt the best experience, but they still did it.

TBC should be merged with Classic, level normalized, on the same server

If you played vanilla wow with a dial up connection, you were among the poor players

I think they said the celestial steed made more than StarCraft 2 or something crazy.

I wasnt upper class or middle class, also i couldn't afford a desktop, my first 2-3 years of playing wow, was @ a internet cafe back when those were still around..

Turtlewow is the classic+ we DESERVE! Not the shit blizzard are making lol.

Been playing TWoW since SoD P3 shat the bed. It's absolutely incredible without breaking every single class. The content is absolutely amazing and keeps true to the spirit of Vanilla.

yea, when I was an itty bitty boy I remember asking my parents for wow and when they heard "subscription" it was over, totally missed on the OG experience just for that reason :(

I was already 30 when the game came out. I started day 1. I've often told people that if the game had come out when I was younger I'd have completely failed out of school. I was addicted like nothing else before or since. I played so much I was in many of the server first groups on my server. Didn't realize it then, but it was a golden era and something I look back on as an amazing time in life.

3:08 the average wow players thumb

MicroSoftransactions everything they touch has be destroyed

Leveling IS the game. This boost to 90 now commercial clearly hinges on peoples fomo " wish you were here" simply says " if you are not at the latest expansion last patch last raid, you and your journey is irrelevant."

Crazy that an explanation is needed when talking about downloading games in the past being separate disks .

Hardcore WoW is the only true classic wow left. Classic Era is so inflated, no one groups outside of GKDP.

in 2004 you did not have to have to be upper middle class or even middle class. Computers that could run wow were selling as cheap as $600 for a low end. you want recomended specs, your buying mid tier, 900 to 1200 back than. I could extend midtier to as much as 1500, but we are talking about wow with cartoony graphics that ran smoother than their competition back than. Dial up transition to broudband occured late 90s to early 2000s.

i was poor af and had a collectors edition box set i installed at the local pc cafe on all the computers, I was 19 and working but no home pc at the time of launch

The key to convincing your parents to pay for the WoW subscription was convincing one of your parents to play with you. That’s what my son did in the summer of 2005 after I had an appendectomy. I was charmed by the game from day one. My husband joined us 6 months later. I fell into the WoW rabbit hole and I’m still wandering around down here. Send snacks please! Only thing I’ve ever bought off the wow store are server transfers. I’m not interested in how my character looks, only in how it plays (which is good thing I suppose considering the Phase 3 WoW SoD outfit priests are sporting right now). I’ve never even gotten into transmog features in any mmo I’ve played. My goal in game is to level and then raid with a preferably low drama guild.

24:35 Classic should refer to the base game only where the entire world was relevant.

I honestly think the way forward is classic + allowing players to sell gold for real money withing the game with Blizzard taking a cut. Its going to happen anyways, if players are the ones selling it and can make money from the game it will disuade buyers sellers to do it offline since they risk getting banned and if the Blizz fee is only 15% it wouldnt be worth it. As long as you keep all raid loot or most as BoP it seems like the best way. I think cosmetics / mounts ruin visual progression which is a key factor ro continue playing for many... but mayb there is a better system

All Blizzard had to do was release steady updates, not make such drastic changes, and WoW would still have the majority of the 10+ million people it once enthralled. It's a testimony to the stupidity of the management at Blizzard that they managed to fumble the bag this badly on a franchise that was steadily pulling in almost 2 billion dollars a year by continually and repeatedly making decisions that changed the scope and speed of the game for the worse.

tf are u talking about.. everquest was 20$ a month and needed high speed net and a good pc at the time

Turtle WOW is the best P-server out there , the real Classic + experience :^) for those who want to try it , they wont be sorry

i mean daoc was pay to play in 2000 and everquest was pay to play in 1999 and they both were 15-25$ per month ... wow been pay to play in 2004 wasnt somehting new dude

This video must be an old stream. They added a lot of microtransactions to classic.

SoD is as lazy as it gets. They took abilities that we've had in previous versions of WoW, wrapped it up in a pretty bow and wanted us to act like it was something new. Dungeons, outside of the one they turned into a raid for the patch, were the same ole shit, the outdoor stuff like STV, Ashenvale, etc was cool....so why didn't they do more of that? It is absolutely fucking pathetic that private servers with a team of 3 guys and a dead raccoon can do more than one of the biggest developers in the video game industry.

I was kinda poor but had a pc and dsl wasn't expensive where I lived. Played Alpha and Beta and release. It was so fun when everyone was new and learning the game.

Turtle wow is great for classic +

I was disappointed that they didn't give Wrath Classic players an option to not go to Cata. I never considered Cata classic, not with the original Azeroth being revamped. At the same time, I'm not sure how you 'freeze' a server in Wrath era.... would players want to raid Icecrown for months and years? That said, I'm sure there would be plenty of players who loved TBC and would play fresh TBC servers.

I used my friends CDs installed it directly onto one of the original iPod bricks. Then played it on school/work computers till I could afford my own computer

Twow > BlizzWoW

0:44 WTF you smoking I was 16 playing the game I WAS POOR FKN IGNORANCE

Everything you said at the start was such shit. Every kid had a PC and broadband, 2004 wasn’t the dark ages. Everyone at my school was playing the game and were online chatting on MSN Messenger. It was all classes and the only obstacle was the monthly sub.

I don't mind others opnions but i'm just trying to guage mine, am i the only one who: 1. Didn't expect new zones in SoD? etc 2. I'm happy with some futures spells coming into vanilla through runes (not arguing the rune part but just the abilities part. 3. Don't mind if we get brand new spells or old ones 4. Find that WoW atm is at it's best (except for retail) Like i'm enjoying cata, SoD is fun too but i've been busy with Cata and now MoP remix (which i only do dailies then log in tbf) Let me know in a reply what you guys think? I'm not hating on StaySafe or anyone, i think the video is great, but this is my take

Good ol' internet cafe days.

he has a good point to play wow back then did cost a lot like having the pc the month every month to pay the sub. first guild i was in every one had a job the was not one person that did not have a semi good job and raids were set around people getting home from work cooking eating then raid then bit of pvp then bed and get up for work next day.

Saying something and the saying, that's true, doesn't make it so. In my experience, the majority of people I played with in 05 were minority Americans, possibly on welfare or disability.

You think you do, but you don't!

i had the strategy guide for like a year before i convinced my dad to get a pc/sub. would just read it for hours imagining what i would do

maybe if your still playing a game constantly from 2004 you might have addiction problems

dial up connection in 2004? in what kind of 3rd world city in america did you grow up?

It’s not for free, I know one of the guys from twow radio is getting about 500€ per month.

30:52 There's SO many places they could put a new dungeon too.... Like it's insane. I'm on the same page, throw some stuff in the store for it and make new shit. The Wendigo cave your wife was in at lvl 7? That could be a new dungeon....Make a quest line for it, IronForge is sick of the Wendigo's pillaging the towns around it and they're sending a task force to go wipe them out, or at least cull their numbers. Make a Boss Wendigo that shamans need a rune for early game too, BAM right there new dungeon for both factions.

we need classic plus but it needs to be a conservative approach, just make the game less centered around so many buffs and make classes/specs that are trash viable. shit at this point id prefer a parallel wow universe where vanilla went a totally different story direction.

Lmao when he put out the chart with the wow players type. I'm all of them, except pvp. Strong autism lel

when wow came out dial up let you play the game all the way up to 10 man content then you had to get dsl and there were only 5 companies and roadrunner was the best and a cost a wopping $215 a month i played for about a year or so leveling all characters up to 60 then found out i could barely do ubrs/lbrs because they were 15 man at the time and on dial up lagging before every pack and it wasnt just me it was the whole party dealing with it so a 2 hour ubrs/lbrs turned into 5 hours or so was great times though

Sorry to deliver the bad news brother. They ain't adding new shit. Classic is being phased out and they are trying to force everyone into retail. Explains exactly why Cata is a thing, and why SoD has turned into a massive failure, IT'S ALL PART OF THE PLAN.

Never used game guides.

TBC didn't need a disk. WoW wasn't an upper-middle class game. My dude you're spouting nonsense confidently. MMOs being subbed was normal.

21:28 Why? Because big corpo investor endgame-capitalism isn't sustainable. It's been solved the same way classic WoW is a solved game. The passion is fully gone, replaced by profit centrism.

"this facial expression will sell my video". well i clicked it..

best part was on classic cDs, that number 5 was allways buggy ....and u had to restart the install ....haha ....just wasted hours on that one :D

Good dad

Well….. they hyped SoD with greatness all the way to phase4. So around hundreds of thousands of players wanted to play SoD. All Blizz wanted was to drag people to sub. That’s it. Hype a game drag people in and then take a dump in their face leaving them with a not so good phase 2 and garbage phase3. And finally a non existing phase4 hahaha

psst... just MOVE ON guys..

I’m a #4 too. Love to your wife from this girl!

PROJECT EPOCH !!

Vanilla remake with new gameplay just like Capcom does with resident evil

It's just like their recash with Diablo 2 resurrected. Project Diabo 2 , POD, and Median (ignoring their infighting) just do this better as private modders. smh

Does he ever change his clothes?

I was poor as shit when I stole my first computer and stole my neighbors internet and stole enough stuff to pawn enough money to play wow. I got addicted. To the point that the creepy neighbor next door made me do things I’m not proud of to get to keep using his internet. But I got to play wow. Totally worth it.

COA hype COA hype

I want so badly to play Turtle WoW because that’s what I think Classic+ should be like. What’s holding me back is that it’s a private server with an edited client. It’s too risky.

Poor people played runescape.

Just play T WoW.

WoW was a very niche game and expensive for the time. Not only did you need a desktop PC, but you needed to have an adequate graphics card as well. I remember being 14 when WoW was available for pre-order and my dad was so upset at the idea of the game costing $15/mo. He still payed tho! I grew up in a family with an upper-middle class income. Many of my peers could not play the game due to the financial barriers to entry, especially as kids in 2004

F R E S H

Turtlewow Gang represent! 😎

Stop with the game shop. I would rather pay 20 a month to keep it off.

Lagforge

#wherearetheducks

I thought this guy was really annoying. This kind of video gets released literally every year by some fool.

37:20 classic "blizzard bad" take it's not like Bobby has openly said that blizzard is all about making money and he doesn't gaf about the state of the games it's so funny every time people act like they've cracked the code. "Guys, blizzard is actually not trying their hardest to make games... they care more about money!!". And then you see Bobby say in an interview "I want to remove the 'fun' out of making video games" and "My sole goal is to make money here at blizzard activision". Damn, what a crazy discovery this guy made. Definitely needed to make a 20minute video about this. All while still subbed, and buying blizzard games, ofc :) Staybraindead moment

I have been saying it since Ph2: Blizz need to license the IP so shops that actually want to dedicate resources can do proper versions. Both parties will come out ahead.

"Middle class to upper middle class type of game". ....absolute horsesh**. Every broke college kid in 2004-2005 was playing this game. I'd venture to say it's main demographic was early 20-somethings living 3-4 people in an apartment/college dorm. You also had Neverwinter Nights, Ultima Online, Everquest...plenty of other subscription based games out before WoW.

When you Feed this to the VANILLA community as " a BLIZZCON" announcement .. you have no room to complain .. you MADE this BAD because you lied ...

I don't understand why people are so fixated on blizz and micro transactions, i honestly think its a non issue

Oh no, 20 year old game isnt how you want it. Play retail, get good. Pressing 2 buttons on each class isnt fun.

Some grass-touching is needed here. This tired diatribe about having to be middle-upper class to have played wow…vanilla peaked at 8 million, Wrath at almost 12. Living in a bubble is the same as being terminally online.

@staysafeTV ... realize when i comment on your vids ... IF I HAD A VENDETTA .. why did i not SCRAPE YOUR IP ADDRESSS .. when plathy and JACK played on my valheim SERVERS ....

@staysafeTV you are WRONG XBOX live existed before WOW , You would not know because you where 11 when wow came out .... ONLY loosers where sold the GAME GUIDE,

You needed a game guide what a noob, i came from eq to wow and let me tell you soooooo much easier in alot of aspects 😅 what a nooby