Cleaned coins grading results! Can you avoid details grades? 

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Finally! Someone with some sanity around the "Cleaning" designation. When you said that you don't think cleaning should be designated unless it shows, I almost cheered out loud. Nice video, Sir!

I would like to see the same experiment on raw coins (not previously packaged) and sent into PCGS and NGC.

I think the most telling comparison would be to break out the contol group including the 1/2 with the milk spot, and break out just the cleaned EZest group. Those should be enough for an accurate realistic comparison. Thank you for your expense and work, you are making a great breakthrough in the understanding of the numismatic hobby!

A couple years ago I saw an article on NGC's website by a person that did restorations for them. They came out and said that they used MS-70 and other chemicals in this process. More recently I've had a friend that also does restorations that has a coin shop. And I believe he does them for NGC but what he told me is that they have a machine which will blow air across the coin and sense whether it has any residue on it. Typically that's the first thing they do and if it does have residue then it will get a details grade. This residue can include even fluoride that's in tap water. So after that they proceed to use whatever chemicals they determine are required for that particular coin but before they ship it back in a new holder they thoroughly wash it in distilled water. So I would suggest using distilled water as the last stage in your process and make sure that a soft cloth is used to dry the coin so it doesn't have any spots.

Love the video! Thanks for taking the time to show us the way!

Thanks for the follow up! It was well worth the wait!

Brother, I applaud you for making these videos. I know you spend so much in each video and spend more time. With that being said, you have my 👍🏾 and subscription. Thank you!

Good job on these with proper restoration. You see they do grade straight if you do it correctly.

Awesome experiment!!! I love ANACS Holders and their customer Service is A+. I wish the industry wasn't so hung-up on NGC and PCGS!

Rocky 8 years ago I sent in a coin done with acetone, a multiple thousand dollar coin and it came back 1 grade higher putting it in top pop at NGC. Good video and your view on things is excellent.

I think the best way to do this test is to send in a proof set uncleaned and a circulation set uncleaned to PCGS. Another uncleaned proof and circulated set to ANACS and another uncleaned proof and circulated set to GCS. Get them back. Notate the grades. Clean and resubmit all the same sets again. Then analyze your results. This would be a very small sample size. For a proper test you would need a lot more submissions.

Are the best videos I’ve seen in a long time about cleaning coins. Thanks for posting I’m a new sub!!

I have used acetone to clean coins, and I have dipped coins(quick dipped) that I have had graded by PCGS with no problems. After all, NGC and PCGS call it coin restoration when they do it.

I recently cracked a details coin (very, very minor wheel mark) from PCGS and sent it to ANACS. I had it at a 64 details with the wheel mark and ANACS sent it back as a MS62. I'll take the net grade on a market acceptable coin any day. Edit: I dip everything I send in for grading in acetone to make sure there is no PVC residue. I also sent some clad to ANACS after using MS70 recently and they all straight graded as well.

I agree send some in, I’d be curious to see any fluctuations in grade.

Nickels are tough LOL Man I am super loving this video, it says everything I've been telling people for four years is true. Multiple arguments with coin collectors. You can clean a coin as long as you abide by PGCS rules 92 and 94. To the average person I laugh and wish them luck. Pay a little extra and get REMBRANDT, just so you can't mess up you know.

Awesome video, clarity to this issue is much appreciated, I'm a novice still just hoarding coins... 😂

MS70 is great and you confirmed that… Thanks. I have not had any luck with copper and any of the products. I just stay away from dipping copper.

Great video. I've been waiting to see this one. I say crack them out and send them. I have about 15 coins in ngc holders I'm going to crack out and clean and send to pcgs. Can't wait to see what you do.

Great video my man 😅 Been excited to watch this since the "cleaning" video ! I know guys that have submitted the same morgans a few times to pcgs that came back DETAILS, until it didn't and was finally straight graded 😮 Did it suddenly become uncleaned ?.., of course not ! ANACS now, ANACS tomorrow!

You Sir are giving away the dealer secrets, there are so many "dipped" coins in dealers cases. Put a dealer in cuffs and inspect his or her shop and you will find cleaners.PCGS guards it's collectors' and resellers, with their price guide.

that is encouraging! thank you for making this video!

Great video. Thanks!

Awesome job dude great video.

Great video! Thank you!

I'm a big fan of ANACS because I'm an error collector, and most errors come in ANACS slabs, but I don't trust them on high-graded coins, like 65 and above. They do a decent job on circulated coins but tend to straight-grade obviously cleaned coins more often than does PCGS or NGC.

I watched both of your videos and I want to thank you very much you have proven a lot to me today. Well done I would say tries a couple of coins that are very dirty but I think I’ll try that myself thank you

Crack them. I would only send the highest grade of each denomination that were"cleaned". I doubt they'll come back details. Dipping is market acceptable.

Thank you for posting the results! If I wasn't poor, I'd offer to donate some $ towards breaking them out and sending to PCGS. Like you said, that is the most valid way to do it. No new control needed as you already have one. Funny though... I don't own a single graded coin.

Greetings. Awesome job! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Thank you for this very informative video. And, the money you invested for this test. Good luck in the future.

New subscriber here I love this type of stuff

Honestly the nickel you cleaned twice i couldn't tell from my view. You did a hell of a job!

Thats seriously awesome stuff. I just assumed that if you put anything on it theyd be able to tell. I heard of a guy getting the restoration from the company (cant remember which) grading it and they graded it details cleaned

Thanks for sharing

I'M IMPRESSED THANKS

Just caught this. Great video, good job. I would use new set, clean cent and nickel with acetone or MS70, as they got best grades. Do silver with Ezest. Send them and see what happens. Good luck, I'm doing this to some Morgans that are in PCGS holders, non graded, just a bulk batch of brilliant uncirculated and I rhink if I use MS 70 on them they'll come back MS 60 or above. I'm learning, a little new to the cleaning/grading game but willing to pay a little to learn. Hope to see your results.

This is awesome!!! Im so glad this worked. I saved it im gonna give it try. How long did you let them soak?

Would you consider doing a similar video comparing acetone, MS 70 and eZest on cleaning circulated dark toned silver coins? Coins that look very dark, almost black

Thank you for sharing this…. AWESOME

Awesome experiment!

Incredibly interesting

This is all good stuff, you could water the e-zest down a little bit that may help in grading if it`s getting to the bone of the coin.

Interesting; would like to see same video with coins cleaned with the different chemicals to ngc & pcgs.

Thanks for sharing❤❤

What about circulated coins? I clean some coins in Acetone if it's just too dirty or something like tape residue, and I use a shorten bristle brush.

I like ANACS. My results on dipped proofs was the same as yours. No issues. However, on mint state coins some came back as “details - cleaned” but I was trying to push through some sliders so…. I’m not butthurt about it. In fact, it gave me greater confidence in the skill of the ANACS graders.

I used ez est on some BU copper Canadian cents and it totally ruined them. I dipped them for 5 seconds and washed with distilled water and got a artificial tone look when it was dry. I tried an acetone bath after that but it didn’t help, also the color was way off before it dried with the artificial toned look. The ez est worked great on my silver but I will never use it on any thing other than silver or gold.

Thanks!

Don't send PCGS any more money. People should buy the coin not the holder anyway.

Very nice video. thanks.

I would send in New coins rather than taking a loss on the ANCS ones. I wish we could establish a ruling that ANCS is just as good as PCGS for selling the coins. since the grade and reputation of the grading companies makes a difference.

I would clean some tarnished/slighty dirty coins that otherwise are in good shape and see how well it gets cleaned and what grade it comes back at! Of course, estimate the grade before cleaning per the grading guidlines. To me ez-est seems the easiest to use. However, someone here mentioned it was not so good on copper. So between ez-est and MS70 which one do you think cleans all the silver, bronze and copper the easiest? I'm new but learning the hobby! Thanks!

Hopefully you have already sent your selected coins to PCGS, but I would break out the coins from the ANAC cases to eliminate a variance in the coins. Have PCGS grade the same coin. Thank for the enlightening video.

Very good I totally agree

Dude, love your videos. That being said...Eee-Zee-Est! Every time you say Eee-zest my eye twitches.

It helped me make my decision, on what product to use when cleaning a coin. I would like to seeing you actually use coins out of a piggy bank or morality of a store cash register something with a little more dirt and grime and I'm sure you know what I mean but thanks thanks for your editorial

Thanks for this. And yes I would love to see NGC in there as well. Also, I would like to see IGC in there to see if they grade the same or higher. And keep using proofs.

I’m beginning to accept what you had to say about the positive aspects of ANACS. However, their slabs need some work. In addition, the value of the slabbed coins are not comparable. What’s a fellow to do?

Thank you so much for this video, wow. I agree, no control group... no point. I also would only crack open the ANACS that don't mean that much to you and just send a smaller set of coins to PCGS. Obviously keep the 68s. Maybe pick a 67 you think could get a 68? Getting greedy here :)

You are allowed to properly conserve coins. An improperly conserved coin is a "Cleaned" coin. Not surprised that the Ezest proof silver coins did so well as that is where that product really does such a great job. Dipping is totally acceptable when done right. Loved the experiment. Cheers!

Very interesting

Interesting video. I agree if no one can really tell with the naked eye or a loop then what does it really matter

Big thanks 4 your 💰&work..Will use Anacs Accidentally left a penny in pocket, washed clothes-will this be a strike against me?

4:31 That's an interesting looking 'Kennedy' ya got there xD

And now you know that if it has no minerals on it you can use soap, water, and a plastic toothbrush, plastic does not scratch silver. Toothbrushes are great for getting cleaning residuals out of the reads on the coin edges.

I think your proof of concept is good enough

I would send 1- set as crossover, and break 1-set out and see what happens, and possibly one controlled set, just to see if Any of them get detailed? I think that would show if PCGS in more stringent with their grading. Would be nice to know if ms70 or acetone would slide past them. Lol

As a kid in the 60s , everyone cleaned their coins

subcribed.. I m from Canada. i loved this vid. Thank you for spending your hard earn money you are very brave... I think you your thought with out control group.I thought to retest everything then re thought. They are all so similar do some new ones.. Good luck

Just my thoughts. If you really want to do a submission to PCGS for the content. I think to save money you could break out the control group, and the Ez Zest group. Here is my reasoning behind my thoughts. You can still be scientific about it as long as you send the control group (for obvious reasons) and the Ez Zest group, since you thought that was the one that you were the hardest with. BUT THAT IS ONLY IF YOU WANT THE CONTENT. Otherwise I think you did what you set out to do and proved what you wanted to prove with these two video's great work and thank you.

I have no Ezest, but if I did I would probably apply it with a toothbrush. I did my best to fix a few coins that were Ezest Over Dipped. It's like trying to sweep the surface of the moon with a broom.

Could you do this test again with PCGS OR NGC, please?

What about having them graded by PCGS? Do you think you would've recieved the same grades ?

So which product do you recommend the best

I would like to see it sent to pcgs and see what they came back as

A clean coin is a clean coin. To me it's all the more impressive if a coin can be circulated, cleaned and be as clean as uncirculated. The history of the coin and the pockets it's passed through is what interests me.

Since there is subjectivity to grading, I would crack them out. Any bias against ANACS might affect their grading even if unintentional.

Hey I have old mint sets from 1955-1964 ... would you keep them together or have them removed from original set and send them in for grading separate?

The only thing in cloth that will scratch is dirt. Make sure the coin and the cloth have no minerals, no dirt, no salts and you will be fine. Wash and dry cloth very well before using.

I went to a coin show in Chattanooga Tennessee back in November and sent 6 Morgan Dollars to ANACS. I have not got them back yet because of the holidays. I have been wondering about NGC and PCGS for grading, but what I've seen and heard about them lately I don't like theirs ways of treating their customers and their to hi grading prices. Not to mention having to join something... I think alot of the put down of ANACS is the big boys and not the quality of ANACS's grading. So for the first time grading I went with ANACS... We'll see. I enjoyed watching your video.

Did you ever send these coins to pcgs? I would break them out and send the same ones in with out the control group.

I dipped a 1936 German silver coin in EZ-EST. I sent it in to NGC for grading. It came back AU53.

I'm excited for you.

I love anacs . They give you a grade no matter what and that's what ur paying for over all is a grade . I've sent cleaned coins to pcgs and got a good grade I used sliver cleaner for jewelry.

MS70 Gun Bore Cleaner, Solvent, Dry Cleaning Fluid, Perchlor I think

I think the main reason they didn't get details is that they were proof uncirculated. I feel like unless it's a somewhat circulated coin that has been cleaned, the grading companies couldn't tell.

I feel that for the test, you should send the same coins with exact same imperfections to get a real comparison between vendors. Just my opinion but it seems right.

Soaking in REMBRANT in direct intense light, multiple times for hours eats away fine lines left from cleaning, they have to be very fine though. Um ya eats them away.

Acetone cleaning of foreign debris off of the original surfaces of a coin has LONG been considered a market acceptable practice and usually is considered more of a “good” conservation method vs. a “bad” cleaning method designed to alter the surface of the coin to enhance its appearance. Even a light dip in EZest is widely considered to be a “market acceptable” technique that rides the thin line between conservation and cleaning. Which side it falls upon largely depends on the experience and skill of the “dipper” who not only must know how to dip properly, but how to correctly assess which coins are good candidates for a dip and which are not. If done right, neither acetone or light dips on good candidate coins should cause a TPG service to slab it as “details - cleaned.”

I recently inherited a huge coin collection, I wont clean every coin in it, especially if its something rare like my 1877 CC half dollar. However, if its green, teal or so corroded that it can hardly be read Ill restore it. Have a 1855 big cent that was entirely green, appeared almost worn slick and you couldnt make out the last number of the date. Put it in salt and vinegar for a little while and out came a pretty copper coin that had legible liberty on the crown (corrosion had entirely hidden it), very nice detail and a distinct lack of green anywhere on the coin.

Did you ever try it with electric ultrasonic cleaner. If you put a table spoon of GemOR cleaner solution into the water. it will take out the white spots and glue. Use it for only one minute. It does not damage the coin. Or affect the coin color or shine.

I predicted these exact results, this test would need to be done on coins that are dirty for it to really tell us anything

I saw a video the other day where a guy sent a number of coins into the NGC Restoration Dept. They then slabbed all of his coins, but the designation was "cleaned". I found that video to be BEYOND bizarre? What the H*** is the point of restoration if they come back as "cleaned"???

*And, THIS is exactly why values on ANACS certified coins, typically run anywhere from 10%-25% LESS than they do for PCGS or NGC certified coins.*

If you want to scrub the coin. First remove all the debris, the minerals and salts. Then you can scrub with anything softer than silver. But if you use something hard like a toothpick and you push to hard you can burnish the coins original polish patterns. Basically it does not scratch the silver it just smears its surfaces. That's a Cartwheel killer! be carful with that Stranger. Carboners work best it you ask me, on a very clean Thumb. Note Skin does not scratch silver.

Hi Rocky, wow that was a revelation to hear you speak and see your video, I'm a novice starting out and I have the coins of value as seen on PCGS coin values but they dont look like your coins new and shiny, iv categorized them and sent it to experts and they said its not good enough, your videos though me a lot, can i send you some photos and you can advise me acordingly, do you charge something, pl let me know.

I would very much savor the data that it would produce for myself and all collector's, although the cost to yourself would be a burden, the result's would be well respected.

I just wonder why ANACS didn't put the "CAMEO", "MIRROR" or whatever Anacs use to show the finish of the coin?