Thanks for making a video of what everyone is asking for. After you pointed out the Modlite not having great mid range spill, I think I'm leaning towards the Rein a little more now. It's interesting that the Modlite has great close spill and great throw, yet there are dark areas in the mid range that the spill is just not able to illuminate. The Rein has a more consistent illumination for all ranges from what I can tell in the video. I also wish the color temperature was something between these two.
At this point I’m running out of rifles to put lights on, I really want to try a modlight but I’m a diehard cloud defensive fan, they’re stance on the second amendment is second to none
Most excellent video review. I live in Alaska and it’s super dark most of the year. Been curious about these REIN lights vs SureFire but I think I’ll go with CD:REIN. Support a smaller business.
Very good review. Regarding the fog contrast, in my eyes, the REIN seemed to "penetrate" better. With the REIN the fog barrier felt "softer", whereas with the Modlite it felt more like a "defined/thicker barrier". Not sure if this is scientifically accurate or just perception.
One thing you can notice is the tone of the cloud cuts through the fog easier.. I believe that was an intentional design choice... the hyper white mod light picked up what little fog you had out there
Man all I could say was wow during this video. Just put my DS00 tail cap and arisaka mount up for sale that I had for my future PLHv2 and got a Rein Micro on the way! I have the full size rein, but have only compared it to my OKW.
Great head to head comparison. Thank you for the video, it was very informative and to the point. I love the beam on the modlite but think the spill from the cloud might be more beneficial in a oh shit scenario 👍👍
I know for my eyes, looking at these lights on videos, several of them, I prefer the CD temperature of the light. I'm not sure if me being color blind messes with the Modlite color, but the CD is a ton better for my eyes. I have an OWL and love that and will get the REIN, once they get caught up with orders.
Idk about the 18350's but the 650's you get an additional 45min run time with the REIN. Also CD claims you actually get 6hrs run time however after 120min performance is diminished but still usable light. IMO in shtf scenario, run time is most important. Also, the cable management integration with clouds tape switch and end caps, not to mention with their end caps, you retain the endswitch WITH the tape switch, not one or the other. Also the end cap button is larger than surfires. Cloud defensive takes the win
Not sure what kind of fantasy SHTF you can just blast a high brightness white light at night for hours and don't get in trouble or killed. I would argue the size/weight advantage of 18350 will improve the agility of your rig, it will end up being significant along with careful selection of other accessories. Rifle lights are meant to be used carefully and TEMPORARILY anyways. If you need to see at night for extended time, you should get a solar charging lamp or even better NVG, pvs14 runs ~40hrs on one AA.
😂 if you ever try to set up for NV, you will find the Rein is its own eco system, and the remote is just too huge you wouldn't have room to set up your IR and remote like you otherwise could to an optimal placement. I love Rein for something I only care to mount a good white light neatly. And probably within or around my yard only. Anything more severe than that you likely can't just blast your rifle light on a constant.😉
Great review I have been looking for something like this. I have the rein full size and want a mod light at some point as well. At something I would love a review of this and the rein 2.0
Definitely one of the best comparisons. I see what you mean about the brown. Was the video accurate to what you saw or did the correction in video settings make it appear this way?
Yes, it was true to what I saw. That said, LEDs vary from die to die, bin to bin. As you might know, CRI is a huge factor in being able to discern and define what we see with a light. I have another REIN micro that appears to my eyes to have similar tint, but higher CRI. It's likely just bin to bin variance, as Cloud denies any spec changes. That said, I prefer it to the one in the video ever so slightly.
@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews Have you done any further testing to see which you liked more. I was going to go with the Modlite but the Rein seems to be slightly better.
@@PrayingPanda I have gone over to the REIN. The only downside I feel, is bezel diameter makes it a bit chunky seeming, and tucking it below a mawl isn't as clean. My plan is to run it at 1030.
@@PrayingPanda I like the added situational awareness the spill provides, I prefer the warmer tint for that as well (for longer range, cooler tints work better for me. Short to 100m, I prefer warm. Past that I feel it can kindof "brown out", but most of my concern is
Great comparison video! Regarding the "brown out" at distance that you talked about with the REIN, I totally agree, though I think it's more down to throw pattern than color temperature. There just seems to be a good deal more detail you can pick up with the PLHv2 in the treeline beyond those targets. When you go back and forth between the two at around 6:45 , the differences in the throw characteristics are very evident. I'm able to see branches and other minor details that are simply absent with the REIN. It'd be great to have the tighter hotspot / better throw of the PLHv2 with the better spill of the REIN -- and as you mentioned, perhaps a color temperature between the two.
@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews "Supposedly" being the operating word here. The performance you demonstrated would have you believe that the REIN offers a higher overall lumen output. Conversely, your tests also would lead me to believe that the PLHv2 offers more real-world intensity/candela, despite the REIN being quoted as having slightly more in its spec sheet. Gotta love first-party marketing numbers, right?
@@WillVerduzco I do not have an IS, so without that, I am very very reticent to call BS on CLOUD's claims, however, I do have a free "LUX meter" app on my cell-phone. I compared the REIN Micro and PLHV2 18350 on it/ The PLHv2 18350 seemed to hover in the mid-low 50K LUX range, as rated, while the REIN was in the mid/low 40's. It did spike to about 54K instant-on, so it technically met the spec. The PLHv2 spiked to 64K lux instant on. Seemingly, there was about 10k lux difference throughout the testing. This is NOT a professional LUX metering device, and I provide this only by way of comparison, not claiming it to represent absolutes.
@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews Wow, that's actually incredibly interesting to hear. And you're totally right -- impossible to draw conclusions as to the ABSOLUTE values, but you can absolutely draw conclusions on RELATIVE values between the two in order to figure out which is higher intensity at the measurement point. Thank you for sharing this data as well.
@@WillVerduzco you're welcome, and again, I want to iterate that this is a very "back yard quality" comparison. I am not trying to tout the results of it as definitive.
@@johndunbar2393 This is accurate. I received zero money from CLOUD. I did, however, get a discount code from a friend (not affiliated with Cloud), and did get in on the "early" order with Cloud.
@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews I didn't figure you did. I know you're a straight shooter, so to speak (from your posts on forums). Alot of people are misunderstanding Modlite's complaint I think. Nothing wrong with it, even if you did get anything from them, as long as it was disclosed as such. Which was Modlite's complaint from the get go, and understandably so.
I am of the opinion that the micro and fullsize are the same, minus battery. The reason the fullsize has a higher output listed is due to sag of the battery under load. The 30Q and other 18650s sag a LOT less than the 18350s, even the latest chemistries. This sag is what leads to slightly reduced output. Not any material differences in the light itself.
@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews would you recommend the full size over the micro then? Its going on my 16" ar, so i have the room for it, but i can get the micro for about 20$ cheaper 🤣
@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews first off I wanna say thank you for taking time out to answer me that's actually pretty darn cool. Second I was thinking of the rein but don't want a light that only works on rechargeable batteries, I wanna be able to put batteries in it if a charger source isn't available.
@@stankeylips9822 Keep in mind that 18350's can be used hundreds to times before performance degrades to the point that they are not viable. CR123's can only be used once. If you do not have access to the sun, then you are in Alaska or similar, or something very bad has happened. www.clouddefensive.com/product/outxe-wireless-25000mah-power-bank/
@@amonillas9133 probably due to the electrical current traveling through the tape switch, the lights are such high performers it could be the tape switch holding them back
@@nicg9599 not sure about that, they both pid'ed well enough at 100+ yards. Good luck with Modlite indoors though, it will bounce off walls like crazy.
@@moglyz9911 these modlite fanboys are worse than gucci glock fanboys by far. I own both and the cloud goes on my hone defense gun and the modlite is a handheld. I killed a weapon mounted PLHv2 in 1 range trip. Cant trust it after that.
