Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion - Se2 Ep25 - "Re;" - Reaction 

Sure, suicidal kid plans his own suicide, after several characters including Euphemia and Lelouch himself and talked up redemption for Suzaku or even C.C. and Nina. Don't get me wrong it's a beautiful ending but it's by no means the "only way", and it's just kind of stupid when you think about it from the perspective that Lelouch was suicidal then his friends let him plan his death, again.

Holy shit that's so fucking awesome way to put it

It's also nice it highlights an aspect of the Zero Requiem many fans forget about. It was not just about creating a gentler world, it was also very much about redemption for his many sins (Japanese genocide, the death of Euphy and many others, ...) The true genius of his plan was creating a gentler world THROUGH redemption. This redemption was always very important to the show creators, they've always hammered on the fact that he truly died because that was Lelouch's way to pay for his sins. This is what they said during "Geass Memories" where they talked about how they made the anime: - "At least he is aware of his sins and pays for them with his DEATH. This is mine and Taniguchi-director' sense of ethics in our works." - "This man called Lelouch will pay for his sins by his DEATH. The story follows him till he finally make this decision." - "Probably this Lelouch we see in the first episode of the series wouldn't choose DEATH. He would try something to avoid it. He couldn't DIE, for Nunnally as well. But we see him changed in the last episode."

Yea, but the idea is that he survived “unintentionally” also remains possible. That’s a very neat decision, which allows for different perspectives on the ending. Heck it practically became a trope.

The Zero Requiem was not punishment for Suzaku though. The Geass command was. Living on as the traitor hated by everyone or as a man hiding without having the chance to die is a more fitting punishment than to become the symbol that represents what he fighted for. No, the Zero Requiem was Suzaku salvation. Lelouch said it himself. He fought to protect everything he wanted to protect, and Suzaku was his best friend. So subtly, and with a little of deceiving, he granted Suzaku salvation. In reality, the only one punished was Lelouch. But he never cared that much about his own life either.

@@elchamakito336 Those were the words of the creators of the show, they were the ones who said the ZR was a punishment for Suzaku. The ZR meant that Suzaku himself was not allowed to kill himself (which would be possible once Jeremiah canceled the geass on him) but had to live on and be Zero, guarding the peace Lelouch bought with his life. It's one of the may mirrors between Lelouch and Suzaku. Lelouch is punished for his sins with death. Suzaku is punished for his sins with life

Jayson Schmehl Idk man, there's guts, funny valentine, kamina,...

“Character” would be too broad to objectively rate, but he is definitely an S Tier protagonist.

@@sammysaito529 huh lelouch is better by far

Y’all are a bunch of Lulu simp

@@sammysaito529 although Lelouch is really amazing people like Guts and Johan Liebert are better than him. I don't think Valentine is better but that's just my opinion.

in short they want to milk it, but know that it won't be pleasant with the ending free of interpretations.

It's canon. It's the continuation of the recap movies that have only one major change: shirley doesn't die. I guess the movies became the actual canon and so this last one(resurrection) is actually the real universe

@@godspell.23 its the canon of the recap movies but not of the actual series

@@godspell.23 It's another universe, not a "real" universe.

Lelouch is really similar to Itachi in Naruto

Her Japanese VA really got me too.

Yeah she did the cry really well. Unfortunately I'm not a fan of the dub VA's speaking scenes.

He said "I destroy world and create it anew"

everyone who knows lelouch is zero are included

@@unlimited971 well i havent seen the movie so i am unsure if xinke tianzi rakshata and etc know but yea i mentioned that i said and the others which i meant the core black knight that are aware lelouch was zero but as resurrection is a au we can only assume they know in the original time line as well but without a doubt kaguya kallen suzaku nunally jeremiah and the rest of the obvious ones know

I think all the black knights Figure it out from dialogue like todoh saying " is that...most probable he was gonna say is that suzaku before being cut off by kallen saying its zero and all the screams and cries of the black kights before he died tho this could just be me misinterpreting in also belive the hostages and loyd,cecil , nina where made aware

Then what's your favorite anime of all time?~ I wanna know.

The same thing can be said about every single retcon in the history of storytelling. Code Geass isn't special just because someone involved in the production felt like trying to justify it with that excuse.

Where's Maoh?

Merula Uchiha In the movies? He doesn't appear. So I guess he doesn't exist in that alternate universe

@@areallyawsomename thats like saying dragon ball heros or that fan animated dragon ball movie that came out recently are cannon to the main timeline alternative universes can exist in fiction the producers blatantly made it apperent that there are not part of the main time line There by not a retcon its a different story

@@maxwinter2265 No, its like DBGT or DBZ Movie timeline.

One more thing, I especially love how he and Suzaku are most of the time enemies, but when they team up, they literally take over the whole world.

Its a alternate universe

Justin Dieterich Aaaand you fell victim to the trolling of the trailer. I know what you're thinking, and no, that's not what happened. Something entirely else happened, but those trailer images without context are making you draw the wrong conclusions. SPOILERS BELOW The movie fully contradicts code theory. Lelouch does NOT have the code! The movie shows us he is DEAD, he's a corpse which needs to be smuggled to France so C.C. can resurrect him (as the title literally said!), and she admits she is only doing that because of her own selfish desires. So Lelouch at the end of R2/Oudou is NOT alive, NOT immortal, NOT the cart driver. He doesn't even get the code in this movie. He gets something else entirely, a new concept which was made just for this movie: the incomplete code. But tdon't let the name fool you, it's not a code at all, even though it does have a mark (as seen in the trailer). This new concept works with entirely different properties, it does not make you immune to geass, it may not even give immortality. So the incomplete code and the code cannot be compared or equated.

@@ZBoy-rc8zf not really. the R3 movie is sequel of the compilation film which only changes like 5/100 of the show content. the outcome is identical to this ending for majority. So you could say it is the sequel.

Tan Vu Regardless, code theory is still shown to be completely wrong in the movie. Everything code theory said was false. Sure, later in the movie they borrow a few elements and apply those to a completely new concept which didn't even exist in the original, but that's not code theory no matter how much conspiracy theorists are trying to spin it.

@IsilionNELE the movie doesn't contradict the code theory fully. The movie explicitly states lelouch's incomplete code is from Charles.

Yea i cant wait either many complaining bout it but its not cannon and a few people were sayin its decent i am glad to see anything of code geass canon or not its awesome as long as the core parts are the same

You say it's non canon, but the main points of Lelouch's resurrection are the same. So canon, or not Lelouch didn't die. Not here, not there)

@@RavenShugo except he did the creators confirmed it in a interview they said in the orginal series the only true ending they could see was one in which he died

@@cerberus3285 this proves nothing. Lelouch technically died and as human he is dead. So whatever they said is true. But there were no words about immortal being known as Lelouch. So your "facts" don't have any weight. Plus I bet they needed to finish the series, so they said it's the end, even with many hints left in original. Now time passed and they changed their mind, but they wanted to keep their face, so they made "spin-off". The script for S2 second part was rewritten while show was still airing btw, this makes theory even stronger.

@@RavenShugo nah they said there was no code for him in the original they specifically stated he died as the question that brought it up was asking if he had gotten code the new movies were sadly made as a cash grab and to appease fans

RavenShugo "There is a theory, that Lelouch is alive and any deniers couldn't bring any heavy argument against it." LOL dude, don't lie. Years ago the community fully contradicted code theory in every aspect. COde theory was even denied by the show staff who officially confirmed that Lelouch is truly dead and who explicitly debunked core points from code theory. Even the anime itself makes it impossible for Lelouch to have a code because that would have violated the established rules. Read the Code Geass Community Information database. It's a loooong document full of proof of the code theory being a hoax. I can't put a direct link here or youtube might eat this comment, but I can tell you how to find it. Go to reddit's main page and add in the address /user/GeassedbyLelouch/comments/8hklfr/evaluating_code_theory_main_body_index/ Seriously, don't write such easily debunked lies. The community KNOWS Lelouch is dead and not immortal. That's like saying the earth is flat. People KNOW you're lying edit: here, I'll even add some examples of the show staff explaining that Lelouch is truly dead. - "Before I started writing the story of a person called Lelouch, I confirmed with Taniguchi-director something. That thing was that the end of Lelouch will be DEATH." - "At least he is aware of his sins and pays for them with his DEATH. This is mine and Taniguchi-director' sense of ethics in our works." - "This man called Lelouch will pay for his sins by his DEATH. The story follows him till he finally make this decision." - "Probably this Lelouch we see in the first episode of the series wouldn't choose DEATH. He would try something to avoid it. He couldn't DIE, for Nunnally as well. But we see him changed in the last episode."

@@IsilionNELE so tell me this mega proving points then? All I see are old theoretical farts like your "all visions, that characters saw are not real, it's just for viewer!" that's falling apart. And what staff said is not a proving anything, cause: 1)They already making resurrection with same theory 2)Lelouch technically DID die. And as a human he IS dead. Nothing in your quotes says about immortal being known as Lelouch.

RavenShugo I gave you the link. It contains ALL official statements. You think a random fan knows the show better than the people who made it? " All I see are old theoretical farts like your "all visions, that characters saw are not real, it's just for viewer!" that's falling apart." Dude, the show staff explicitly explained in an article that Nunnally realized on her own and that nothing about codes or geasses was involved. That's not "falling apart", that's the show staff confirming that Nunnally didn't see code visions at all. "They already making resurrection with same theory" And the movie SHOWS us that code theory is wrong. How about you go ask the people of the community. Go to reddit and not to a troll's lair like 4chan. There people will explain to you that movie shows that Lelouch at the end of R2 was NOT alive, NOT immortal, NOT the cart driver. He's dead, a corpse. That corpse has to be smuggled halfway across the worlf by Shirley so C.C. could resurrect him. He doesn't even get a code in the movie. What he gets is a new concept which they invented for this movie and which is nothing like a code. It doesn't protect against geass, and it may not even make you immortal(Lelouch says this himself!!) So no, code theory is not used at all. "Lelouch technically DID die. And as a human he IS dead. Nothing in your quotes says about immortal being known as Lelouch Did you even read the official statements? They hammer on the fact that his death was the punishment for his sins. None of thsoe statements work with erroneous interpretations like "fake death" or "dead for 2 minutes". The show staff arz adamaent that he's toally dead. You're just grasping for straws. Nobody says "he died, after after he died he stayed dead", that's just ridiculous. Especially because the anime makes it impossible for him to have a code. EVen in the movie Lelouch literally says that HE DOESN't KNOW IF HE IS IMMORTAL NOW. So if he doesn't know wether he's immortal AFTER his literal resurrection from the dead, he certainly wasn't immortal BEFORE his dead either.

@@IsilionNELE it's funny how you try to use "facts" first from originals, then from redone originals, then from movies. Then you use the words of creators, who made one thing, then remade it, then said one thing, then made totally opposite stuff. So what's canon? If you so adamant to grasp at creators straws, which they change all the time and say, that remade ending is a canon, then the new movies are the new canon with Lelouch alive. So your proofs are in a mess. You use EVERYTHING in your defense, so ALL is canon??? PS. When I said Lelouch technically died, I didn't mean he died for 2 min. or faked death. He DID die, like Charles, but compared to later, the difference between code and geass origins made Lelouch be a dead body much longer. PS2. I base my theory on ORIGINAL series, not revised, or spin-offs. Since even the altered ending can be considered the alternative world by the staff's standard now.

RavenShugo I'm talking about code theory, and that's about R2. The reason why I also mention the movies is because even though they are AU, the rules are identical. The movies show us that absolutely nothing changed about codes and geasses. Obviously, that doesn't include the new concept of incomplete codes which didn't exist in R2. But even then you can use the movies to learn from the movie. Even with the new incomplete code, Lelouch wasn't sure that he was immortal or not. That shows beyond doubt that in R2 (without incomplete code) he is as dead as dead can be. "Then you use the words of creators, who made one thing, then remade it, then said one thing, then made totally opposite stuff." And yet they NOT ONCE contradicted themselves about the fate of Lelouch. They said Lelouch was truly dead in R2, and we see that this is true. So you're just trying to create a smokescreen of doubt but that won't work. A random fan still does not have the authority to overrule the words of the show staff. "If you so adamant to grasp at creators straws" Lolwut? Official Word of God, the very definition of canon is grasping straws now? You can believe whatever makes you happy, but the canon says Lelouch was dead in R2 and code theory was always wrong. "So your proofs are in a mess. You use EVERYTHING in your defense, so ALL is canon???" Explained at the start of this comment. If that's not clear, well too bad. "When I said Lelouch technically died" Not just technically. He died as a normal mortal without the code. "He DID die, like Charles" Charles NEVER died! Charles already the code and was already immune to geass and immortal BEFORE he shot himself! This too was offiically confirmed by the director and the writer 「これギアス掛かってないのに死んだふりするんだよ」「息子を驚かせようと」「ルルーシュくんかわいそう」「これ一番ショックなタイミング計ってるよね」「絶対笑いこらえてるよ」って色々言われてて笑った。 "He isn't geassed, just pretends he dies!" " He tries to surprise his son!" "Poor Lelouch" "He tries to choose the most shocking timing, doesn't he" "I'm sure he tries hard not to laugh" This also proves that codes don't need activation, because Charles never had a non active code. " the difference between code and geass origins made Lelouch be a dead body much longer" Not supported by thye anime, you're just making stuff up. Also not supported by the show staff since they say the opposite. They hammer on the fact that Lelouch is totally dead because that was fundamental for them. His death was their code of ethics. "I base my theory on ORIGINAL series, not revised, or spin-offs. Since even the altered ending can be considered the alternative world by the staff's standard now." Retcons are canon. The 2009 epilogue where C.C. explicitly and directly tells the audience that Lelouch is dead and she mourns his death is part of the R2 universe and not the movies AU

"Someone debunk this" Ok "Lelouch has the code AND the geass" Not according to the anime. The anime itself makes it crystal clear that it is not possible to have a code and a geass at the ame time. Not only do ALL precedents shown in the anime lose their geass as soon as they get th code, charles even explicitly confirms this. The idea that this rule has exceptions or extra conditions is never even hinted at in teh anime. If there truly were extra conditions or exceptions we had to know about to properly understand the end the wriuters would have shown us in some way, but they never did. Without the slighest support in the canon, this idea is simply not canon at all. It's pure fanfic. From the perspective of the canon, this idea is as much true as claiming that the geass user's breakfast is what determines what happens when he gets the code. On top of that, the conclusion of him having the code is that he's immortal and this has been vehemently denied by the show staff over and over again in their numerous official statements where they explain that Lelouch is truly dead. "Usually, u lose the geass when u get the code BUT" No, there is no "but". There is not a single line of dialogue or screenshot in the entire anime which supports a "but". If we had to knew this to understand the story, we would have been told/shown, and that never happened. Therefore this assumption is false. You can't pretend that "they never explicitly denied it" counts as support. The anime also never denied that Arthur is a pokemon instead of a cat. If we had to know Arthur was a pokemone some kind of hint would have been included and there is none. Likeswise with this "but". And let's not forget that they've been confirming Lelouch's total 100% death for 10 years. That completely contradicts the possibility of him having a code. You can't make up rules which are not supported by the anime or the show staff and pretend it's canon. It's not. Not only did the show staff confirm that Lelouch was totally dead, but they even explcitly denied core points of code theory and in 2009 they changed the epilogue, dropping the cart scene becuse some people were misunderstanding it. In the new epilogue C.C. talks directly to the audience and explicitly explains that Lelouch is dead and that she mourns his death. With all that official evidence it is impossible ,to conclude anything else than that Lelouch is a normal mortal who is dead, and not an immortal with the code. If you're interested in reading all the official statements, including links sources and pictures, or want to see the new epilogue from 2009, all of that is included in the COde Geass Community Information Database. I can't put a direct link here or youtube might eat this comment, but I can tell you how to find it. Go to reddit's main page and add in the address /user/GeassedbyLelouch/comments/8hklfr/evaluating_code_theory_main_body_index/

@@IsilionNELE has the manga author actually support the animator's claims? Also, dont use dumb comparisons to pokemon. Yes it was stated that u lose ur geass when u get the code, but its always been the code of the one who gave u the geass. Correct me if im wrong, but geass was still being researched. I may have missed it, but did they say they know everything about geass? Did they create the power? If im wrong then im good with that. The possibilty of keeping ur geass if u get someone else's code was never discussed. Yes, this doesnt mean that its what happened, but its a possibility. Also, at the end, CC was saying how having geass makes u isolated at the end, but then says that she may have been wrong. If lelouch was dead, then why was her statement wrong. Isnt she alone now? Isnt lelouch alone?(in death)

Draven Noxus Code Geass isn't based on a manga, the anime is the original product. There are some manga adaptations of the anime, but they're not canon The origins of the code were not known, but even so the show staff would still need to vreate setup for the payoff in the end. For esxample, they could have had a character wonder about it. But since the anime is totally silent about it, it means it doesn't matter. If it had mattered the show staff would have given ANY kind of hint. The statement of C.C. at the end (which btw was removed in the 2009 epilogue because some people didn't understand, it was replaced by a new epilogue where C.C. explicitly explains to the audience that Lelouch is dead and that she mourns his death) was not about Lelouch being alone, it was about HER not being isolated. Even with Lelouch being dead she now knows that life is worth living and she will always have people who care for her if she doesn't shut herself off like she did before. This was even explained on C.C.'s page of the official Code Geass site back in those days: "Knowing that Lelouch does not hate her for giving him the Geass, she is now able to show her true feelings. With the realization of "Zero Requiem", her time with Lelouch, who was able to forgive and accept her, came to an end, but the memories created with him has, without doubt, saved her from eternal loneliness."

Its kinda shit though. Unless you have an unimaginably massive hard on for Code Geass, then its good.

*throws up*

You let yourself be fooled by a well known fake video. That video of "Lelouch" as the cart driver is a fan made edit. Leloouch does NOT have a code, the anime makes that impossible because everyone who gets the code loses the egass and Lelouch never lost his geass. On top of that the show staff have offiially confirmed that Lelouch is truly dead. Code theory was nothing more than a hoax, the community has conclusively proven that years ago

This has been debunked stop it.

@@ZBoy-rc8zf no it hasnt

Blazekingz That has been proven 100% wrong by the community years ago. The show staff even officially confirmed that Lleouch is dead. They even went as far as explicitly denying core points of code theory. And now this new movie shows us code theory is completely wrong.

If Lelouch didn't die in this timeline, then why does the non-canon film feature that same exact theory? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Lelouch is dead

@@IsilionNELE Lelouch died is the same way that the officials claimed jon snow died. The new movies are alternate reality where things are diffrent.

of course i did, cause i have the time to do that.....