Colin VS Sensei, But There's NO Unit Limit! 

"You see, bluemoon tanks have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them, until they reached their limit and resigned." - Sensei

Unit limit is the only thing that keeps Colin and Sensei *SOMEWHAT* manageable. Now this is just insanity.

man, that was stupid fun "I have 20 megatanks" "that's cute, can they cap?"

Stalingrado be like.

If, as Colin, you want to beat Sensei, your #1 priority, imo, is to have some positively ridiculous number of AA. Maybe 15. You can't rely on megatanks to clear Sensei's zerg rush tier flood. Having a few to control key points is all well and good, but Sensei spawns an average of like 8 infantry *per turn* from powers alone. You *need* to be able to clear at least that many per turn, and the only way to do that consistently is with AA. Your infantry can't hold a candle to his, and you can't be wasting money on higher-value units specifically for this purpose. It happens to be a bonus that AA is *also* the proper response to Sensei's Bopters, so spam those damn AAs! 15 of them will pretty much ensure you can wipe 8 from the board per turn, and you force Sensei to build more of the units he's weak with (tanks) in order to handle them. Also, perhaps a hot take, but Neotanks would've been better here than the megatank spam. The slowness of those megatanks was a big handicap for the Colin player. Neos are both good against the units you hopefully want to force Sensei to build (tanks) and do fairly well vs. infantry, *plus* the fact that Sensei suiciding endless infantry into them hurts less from continual luck damage compared to a megatank.

No matter how strong your units, they can only clear one infantry at a time, so if you’re not keeping up with Sensei’s production you’ll never get through his wall of bodies.

Damn, that was a lot of fun to watch. "engagements are being taken, units are moving forward" top tier commentary, 10/10 XD Great match and great video.

'print money all you like, your megatanks are encased by 3 layers of infantry'

We need this same ruleset, Sensei vs. Hachi. Let us settle once and for all who is the king of unit spam.

Early Sensei aggression to kill Colin’s infantry is such a strong move

The Sensei unit count was basically triple there near the end, which is why Colin had no shot because he just walled megatank with infantry there and was capping the lab. When you have so many units it's weird, but unit value doesn't matter because what will the higher valued units do? It takes them turns to break through the wall of infantry and then there's more infantry where that came from.

Thanks for casting this match. Not every AW video needs to be super informative, and this hilarity was awesome to see. 😂

You say that this isn't very informative, but I think this is THE demonstration of unit count being the most important stat most of the time

No-cap Sensei can produce enough units every turn to just walk past you and cap, and there's nothing you can do to stop it lol

When you have more troops than the enemy has bullets:

love how Mangs doesn't notice the lab cap at all

X1234 and miraculous are both Chinese players, so yeah I think they are friends / probably do know each other as old time players in that space. (They even have an unofficial league for fog). Sensei suiciding units into inf is a very common tactic in high level HF games. As you realized, it's to gain power to get a fast COP (which is when Sensei gets to party), but it's also just slowing down Colin's capture game cuz infantry are hard to come by in HF. So if he runs out of infs he can just never get new cities (of course, Colin doesn't care at a certain point if he banks enough + COP) As for suiciding a bunch of units, Sensei is trying to get charge cuz his units are worth more dead than alive (say if you suicide 5 inf to get COP, then your 5 dead inf become like 20 inf)

You just can't kill the swarm fast enough. You just drown in Infantry.

If this had been streamed 100 percent there would have been at least a hundred infantry repellant memes

Now we need a Sensei and Hachi both with unlimited unit counts.

Before Video: I think Colin will get Bodied. Sure, Colin can Tech up Super quick, but the lack of Firepower will Bite Coling really hard, especially with Senseib easily picking off his infantry like flies with B-Copters. After Video: I guessed it. Even knowing it was HF, I suspected Sensei to Win. Miraculous did not block the cities quick enough, which definitely cost him the game. The Power of Money was definitely a fluke as well, as he could not Print money fast enough. Overall, a Wild match, but very fun to watch

It was a dumb match. But it was dumb fun.

I kind of want to see two grandmasters do the Colin vs Kanbei matchup again but with black bombs on and have it be hogh funds. AWBW just being as broken as possible.

We need a Hachi vs Sensei no unit cap high funds match now Mangs!

While high funds does benefit colin a lot, it also means sensei can charge his power that much faster and it allows him to afford sone high tech units to beat colins tech, and he'll have plenty of meat shields to keep them safe.

Looks like Miraculous would've lost the next turn without the resignation anyway: check the labs. There's no HQ, and there was already a full health infantry capping his lab, with not enough units to punch through the infantry walls.

Sensei is just a skaven chieftain in disguise. Throw so much bodies at your opponent that they drown in them. "Swarm them with infantry-rats now-now!"

I LOVED this video and match! thanks mangs. I want to see more from the very unique COs since they made the game fun for me as a kid. its a shame they are all broken. please cover more of them in the future, I would laso love to see grit and hear from you why you hate him so much.

Mangs: He who has the most infantry usually win. Sensei: Hold my Asahi.

This is such a brilliantly fun idea!

"I think Sensei is winning?" What do you mean think? He was capturing the HQ/Lab, with just a wall of Infantry preventing every possible incursion.

We need more silly matches like this

This shows why Sensei has to be banned in HF global league in any map that has its unit count raised from 50. It was kind of unfortunate that this game ended in a lab cap because Colin didn't take a couple turns to secure an aditional lab. Fun game nonetheless.

Unit count is the most important metric. You can block your opponent and Colin can only build a single unit from every base and port, Sensei will ultimately overwhelm in a match without unit cap.

Sensei showing Colin how the Chinese Civil War was fought.

Sensei, how did you defeat Colin’s megatanks? Sensei: “you see, megatanks have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent in wave after wave of my own men until they reached their limit and shut down.”

insane match aside, i love Colin's COP theme from re-boot camp. little kid's got a good taste in ska

Now I want to see a Hachi vs Hachi in high funds on a large map really badly

At 6:30, he's not just getting charge, he's also disrupting next turns capture. If sensei isn't ahead on income before this entire game becomes a slog, he loses

Im pretty sure Sensei takes this 7 times out of 10, no unit limit means that sensei can just swarm Colins defenses, I don’t see him holding up here, especially since x123456789 is arguably the better player here, on the other hand, in high funds the powers of sensei are less effective since the cities are worth 2x as much but still only spawn 1 infantry In retrospect (spoiler alert) Colin simply can’t hold on against the numbers, sure you might have a battleship and carrier, but they can only shoot one infantry at a time, the megatanks too can only kill one unit at a time, sensei could literally replace his losses faster then Colin can destroy them, and eventually Colin would have lost city after city too the swarm, even if Colin managed too go on the offensive, he would still have too make his way through a lot of units giving sensei time too recover and regroup, Colin stood no chance

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I was laughing the entire match, the entire concept was quite humorous and as was the result lol Especially since some high end players are the ones that set it up just for fun

You could say that miraculous_xp had 123456789 megatanks ok that one was terrible XD

Sensei is actually absurd.... He can literally infantry match forward against basically anything

Sensei turns always take forever with all the infantry

Someone asked Sensei what "the battles of old" were like. This is the result.

I think this proves unit count is the most important

Sensei sacs tanks into infantry at the start bc he needs to press his early infantry advantage. It also means Colin has to waste base spawns on it while Sensei's infantry will be free. Building triple transport allows everything Sensei will spawn in the future to be ferried to the front faster.

I wonder how much the lack of a unit cap factored in. Sensei only really went over in those last few turns, but it might've been his win without needing to go over the usual 50.

Colin: I have the power of money! Sensei: Your money has no power in the face of sheer manpower, BOY!

I'm prepared to see the map flooded by units. Colin is still limited by the amount of bases on the map. Sensei is not.

I would surrender to if my lab was being capped and blocked by a dozen meat shields.

This was the Advance Wars equivalent of a Zerg Rush. This was dumb and I loved it

Yeah that join cap on the lab with no way to interrupt. That was "resign or die"

Today I learned there's a unit limit in Advance Wars. Edit: I'm a bit sad this didn't play out until every square on the map had a yellow infantry. XD

I believe it was Napoleon who said "Quantity has a quality all its own." Definitely see that on full display here.

This is why Zombie matches restrict what kinds of units Sensei can build. XD

It would have been fun to see sensei use his super power to also spawn mech's, but probably that would have given colin the advantage as sensei's main strenght in this battle was obviously his ability to flood the territory with infantry and be able to stop colin tanks and troops from expanding or protecting correctly his side of the map.

Literally the lord of the rings meme playing out in an actual game, lol

this was amazing, i wish they played for some more rounds

Sensei: Look at me. I am the fodder spammer now.

man this feels like watching an astra militarum vs tyranids player battle in warhammer 40k. a sea of unit and both side just throwing shots. I love this XD

"For everyone of us falls, ten more will take his place"

Really enjoyed this one Mangs, wild and whacky matchups are fun to watch. more!

Easy match for Sensei. Collin can only produce so many units per turn, and no matter how much you pay for a unit it can only shoot once a turn. If your opponent is swarming you with infantry you have to shoot to get to their good units, their good units are getting way more first strikes, destroying more of your good units than you are of theirs, and then eventually those infantry are going to flip more and more properties over to Sensei, giving him an even BIGGER unit lead and eventually allowing him to produce only high tier units himself on top of infinite infantry. Power of money doesn't change much if most of your units have to attack infantry and waste all that firepower, and gold rush doesn't change anything if the units you buy with it aren't getting good engagements.

Sensei snowball Colin so fast by just spamming his COP and the game being high fund with no unit limit, it means he can afford to keep building tanks, Bcopter and whatever he wants. It doesnt help Colin that Sensei's capture game here is pretty solid and the more cities he owns, the more cities he can gets just by sheer number of infantry it generates. At some point, Sensei generate so many infantries that everything Colin can hit is just infantry walls which kinda happens at the end. It doesnt matter if your opponent has like 2-3 expensive unit if your own unit expensive unit are forced/trapped to attack nothing but infantry.

Colins needed to send more mega tanks to the south to protect the lab as that's the only reason colins resigned.

Colin just couldn't kill all the units fast enough, maybe if he had an extra base or two he might have had a chance

Honestly I think the high founds helped Sensei a lot more than it seems, sice he could keep up with the high tech units of Colin Sure Colin had double if not triple of any one high tech unit, but with something like a mega tank, Sensei only needs one and then can flood the three Colin mega tanks with infantry so his can chose when to attack

This Stalingrad reimagined to be honest

This raises a good question… why not try this again? I’d like to see it again in the same vein as the sturm vs hachi video

Here's a question for you Mangs, who do you think would win a no unit cap game, Sensei, or Olaf in permanent snow?

Sensei's theme is fire

Sensei wins because he isn't limited by bases to produce infantry. Colin building 5 Megatanks a turn doesn't mean diddly squat if he doesn't have infantry to convert properties.

Ah yes, the Zapp Brannigan method. Just send rows upon rows of your men against them

Send in the next wave! Fix Bayonetts! Charrrrrge!

That's just plain...INSANE.

id kill for a something about esque animation of this match up

I'd even say Hachi would have a hard time stopping this.

Basically the power of money against the power of men? That's really a mad match.

That's a lot of ants.

Has some China vs UN in Korea energy.

Sensei in this match: UNLEASH THE HORDE

I spected Sensei to win, there is a point where you just cant handle that zerg rush on steroids. If you kill infrantry, well too bad that gives power to spawn more. But it was fun to watch for sure.

I didn't know Wall of Flesh was in Advanced Wars

Colin got swarmed the lab was being captured and no way of dislogging that wall out to kill it.

How to break your processors in Advanced Wars

I actually did a rematch against myself and EVENTUALLY, colin won. HOWEVER, it took a LONG time for colin to actually win. If there is a reasonable capture limit or time limit, i expect sensei to win. HOWEVER, it is possible for colin to EVENTUALLY gain a critical mass of megatanks to push sensei back and be able to kill more units per turn than sensei can produce. It takes a LONG TIME for that critical mass to be reached though. Early game, colin does well as he did here as he techs up faster and can just smash sensei with superior firepower. After the first copter command though, sensei starts getting some infantry walls as padding, and given the 2 star power, by the time you do some damage to him, it's more wave of infantry. Mid game, sensei has the advantage from runaway infantry while colin's unit count dwindles, but eventually, colin will be pumping out megas every turn as he has a runaway money effect. And they're hard for sensei to kill. Late game, sensei is trying to build up artillery and rocket walls behind his infantry to take down the megas, and they eventually get too much. Then, given the insane dollar amounts colin has, he can just pull megas and bombers literally every turn. I even employed a couple black bombs in this specific match to thin out his infantry as i forgot to ban them. Although that didnt help as much as you'd think. Colin eventually gets the advantage as he can just amass enough megas to steamroll whatever sensei has. And power of money actually becomes relevant here as you eventually no longer need to pop gold rush and power of money makes all of your megas just 1 hit kill everything. Eventually, between pushing back, putting megas on cities, recapturing cities, and just pumping out an unending stream of megas, sensei's infantry spam eventually becomes less and less viable as a tactic and he's eventually pushed back. Especially on colin's strong side/sensei's weak side. But also to a lesser extent on colin's weak side too, as he is able to push back enough of the spam to reach the labs and go for capture. Whoever wins this, barring properties and time limits, it ultimately comes down to who can capture the labs. If sensei's spam can capture all of colin's labs, then colin loses. But eventually colin should be able to push back the infantry spam. But yeah, enjoy. awbw.amarriner.com/2030.php?games_id=939811

Infantry infantry everywhere

Sensei out-produced Colin is a sight to see

Another question for you, Mangs. You ever seen a map that had only one comm tower in the middle of the map, that was up for grabs for everyone? Would that be a good map design, or do we not ever seem to see that for a good reason?

Legendary fight

Straight from the Deej Stream!

The lesson to learn here is that Sensei beats Colin when he has a higher ratio of Cities to Bases, and vice-versa. Assuming of course, that the ground is contiguous and not gapped by excessive choke points.

no units cap = STRENGTH IN NUMBER

Random question, is it possible to softlocked any Advance Wars games? If so how easy or difficult is it?

Truly, a zombie Sensei will be the reason we suffer an apocalypse :P

That was an epic match!

this match was incredibly dumb buf just as fun. I love advance wars for having those ultra broken COs as it gives us matches like these. not everything has to be super competitive, sometimes you just gotta throw the balance out of the window to have some fun

One of my first games of AW was Sensei vs Colin (i was sensei), pretty high unit cap, i threw a blob of infantry at his HQ that grew faster than he could kill it Sensei things