Colorado Rockies charter flight under FAA Investigation 

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Sorry I’m for sterile flight deck, 💩 can go wrong pretty quickly if you don’t catch it . When they land they can sit on left or the right seat .

I am a retired captain from UAL that did several charter flights in my time. pre 911 we would leave the cockpit door open and people could come up and see the operation 1 at a time while in cruise. post 911 the cockpit door has to remain closed at all times while in flight, no exceptions. The airline SOP's ( standard operating procedures) are an FAA approved document and are in essence like the FAR's for the airline and have equal weighting if they are knowingly disregarded. So actually there were several SOP's broken here and will be treated like breaking an FAA FAR. As far as safety goes, if you play the what if game... engine failure, cabin decompression are a couple of the biggies at altitude, it could turn into a cluster f - - k real quick, so yes it was an unsafe thing to do. and lastly, making a video of the event is just plain stupid and you cannot fix stupid....just my 2 cents....

if it was the hitting coach, I wouldn't have worried. the Rockies can't hit anything right now.

I am a retired UAL Captain. I have flown many charter flights at United. Back in the day we would have the cockpit door open so that anyone on the aircraft could visit. Since 911 that went away. As for my conduct on such a flight I would never allow any person to sit in my seat or the First Officer seat. That is just a big no-no. I have filmed operations on the flight deck before , but you will never see any of those films on any social media sites including UTube. That Captain broke the rules, FAR's and was just a real stupid moment for a pinch of fame. FAA will most likely pull his license and there goes the job! To the rest of you out there, it's not worth your whole career! Very unprofessional. United is strictly a FAR Part 121 carrier. They do not have a 135 Certificate. Part 135 is designed to allow a Part 91 operation to be for HIRE. Most all the major airlines are Part 121. United has conducted many Charter flights over the years, all Part 121. Was it unsafe? D**ed right it was. Not outwardly but a very sinister way of "normalizing deviance" until it does become unsafe on the face. FWIW

I’m surprised but not shocked that you’d been a commercial pilot, you totally have the cool and collected flight captain energy

A Russian passenger jet crashed killing all aboard when the Captain let his children sit in the Captain’s seat & when the son turned the controls he inadvertently disengaged the autopilot and began actually steering the plane without anyone noticing. I believe he put the plane into a stall, and before anyone could figure out what was going on, they crashed. Before this incident, pilots were unaware that on this plane, forget what it was, that the autopilot could simply be disengaged by turning the controls. Air Disasters is an interesting show for anyone that enjoys aviation.

The flight deck crew shouldn't even be opening the door for this coach. As innocent as it may have been, the rules are explicitly clear. Even under Part 135 - a charter flight - an aircraft over a certain size isn't supposed to allow access to the flight deck to non-crew members. Some code-share carriers have aircraft so small that they are required to keep the cockpit door open, simply for the fact that the pilots do double duty as flight attendants. I daresay on most Part 135 aircraft there isn't even a cockpit door...But this is pretty cut and dry. Most of us "little people" are subjected to body cavity searches just to get let into the cabin. This was a serious lack of judgment on the passenger, and a dereliction of duty by the flight crew, warranting at least a suspension, if not dismissal. Not to be mean, but these were rules that were written after, and paid for by many a hijack and ground victim over the years. The privilege of flying charter does not exempt you from the security and safety rules. We have enough to worry about with the flight crews themselves...

No. This was totally outrageous.

He could have triggered the first ever Major league Baseball emergency draft. Hey there can be a video for you. "Procedures all sports have in case of a plane crash."

How did these pilots think there wouldn’t be consequences for this?

Brodie has the best content. Covers breaking news fast and great quality.

Great video, Brodie. Loving your channel because I love the Giants and your cover some interesting other stories.

Have you not heard of Aeroflot flight 593 ? The father of the child at the controls thought it was no big deal either, before it crashed.

Love the sensible take as always. I have a close family member who is a captain for a major airline and has also flown numerous team charters over the years. He is 95% certain that this would have been operated under part 121, primarily because there is no incentive for airlines to seek separate 135 certification just for their charter operations.

Charters of this kind would be operating as Part 121 Supplemental. Part 121 rules apply.

As a commercial can guarantee that if I allowed someone who’s not permitted to be on the flight deck in the cockpit during a flight, charter or not, I would face a justified investigation and suspension. Part 121 rules still apply since the carrier operates under that rule, charter or not. Whether or not the person is of sound mind doesn’t matter for a minute.

I do believe this used to happen all the time back before my teenage years (80's).. but that's also before many regulations were enacted too...

Be sure and update us when the investiagtion is completed

The Rockies winning percentage triggered the EGPWS warning

Read your FAR's.🤦‍♂️United is a Part121 carrier. Their certificate is attached to their operations manual. The cannot operate Part 135 (30 seats or fewer). Part 135 isn't as loose as you say there are very strict regs there too. In this case there were multiple non crew on the flight deck. The FO was sitting there laughing. He's required to wear an oxygen mask if the other pilot leaves his seat. The hitting coach pretended to push buttons like autopilot switch and several times pretended to push the yoke forward. The captain's access back to his seat was blocked by the female recording the video, the hitting coach and another big guy. The regs aren't there to enforce policies normally applied to the little people. The regs are to insure the safety of all the people on the flight (including family and innocent children of team members) but also all the little people on the ground. This is a heavy airliner not a Cessna 172.

I was in the left seat of a flying plane once. It was at an airshow, it was a four person private plane, and the pilot flying it was a trained flight instructor and used to the right seat.

The FAA rules pertaining to charter flights are different from the normal Part 121 passenger flight rules.

Well, the kid in the cockpit incident was not goofing around, there was a certified pilot in the right seat…and how did that pan out. Besides that, as United owns that multi million dollar aircraft, and can certainly see their displeasure in the flight crew. It’s no different than owning a custom built Ferrari, letting your son take it for a ride and he lets his buddy take it for a spin.

If it wasn't unsafe, the safety rules in place for this very thing wouldn't exist. Any pilot that says "don't video this, don't post this on social media" is knowingly attempting to coverup breaking rules. It's seems questionable to tell pilots to beware of exposing themselves when they break the rules like that. A baseball player is no safer to have on the flight deck than a general member of the public.

I’ve been a pilot for a major airline for 23 years operating under FAR 121. United Airlines is a 121 carrier and would not operate under 135.

"WAS IT UNSAFE" 🤔 Scenario for the 1st hole in the Swiss Cheese Model of Accident Theory --- When Bam Bam gets up to leave the pilot's seat, hidden by his sport coat his finger/ thumb/ palm disengages the Primary Frequency on the 757's Radio Management Panel by his thigh that was tuned to the current ATC Center without the PF/ First Officer noticing. There's a safety risk with just that 1st hole in the Swiss Cheese Model put in motion... (and yes, there's the On Guard frequency, but will it be in time before...)

I'm very surprised at this. The Rockies have followers on social media?

If Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (err, I mean Roger Murdock) was the one sitting in the Co-Pilot's seat it would have been more believable. 😂

Rules change over time. In 1966 my dad went from F-105 pilot to Continental Airlines...in less tha 6 months he was the most senior pilot on a 707 military charter flight to Vietnam...at the time only the Captain needed an ATP on 121 flights, and nobody needed an ATP on a military charter flight. Two junior copilots and a junior flight engineer on the oldest equipment that could do the job was SOP.

When did single A teams start getting charters?

In 1993 I was on a flight from the US the Belize,CA, and I was wearing an AOPA polo shirt and the flight navigator came walking by, saw my shirt and asked if I would like to visit the flight deck to which I jumped at the chance! I got to sit in the navigator’s seat for approximately 15 - 20 minutes while he took a break and talked to passengers. The plane was cruising at FL 380. It was an awesome experience for a private pilot and a moment I will cherish forever as I know something like this is now not allowed whatsoever and would probably get the crew member removed from their job.

As a GA guy myself of course I had to go on the airmen registry and view your certs.

I will preface this that I am a GSC for an Airline, so I only work on the ground side of things, not the inflight side. But I do have to go through these parts every year to renew my position. The pilot is most likely going to get reprimanded by the FAA and united for those situation. Rules on Charters are a lot looser compared to commercial, but even with good intentions, this is an insanely unsafe thing the pilot did here. I think because of this being posted online, and how publicized this is, I think the FAA and even United might make an example of this pilot to squash this kind of situation from happening again. If any commercial pilots want to correct me or elaborate more for me that would be great, because as I said, I am a GSC. I deal with the ground, not the air. Having to deal with the FAA as much as I do, I can promise they do not fuck around and something is going to happen to this pilot.

Brodie, didn't know you were a certified pilot. Congratulations on that! What are your ratings? As a pilot myself, I was invited myself, I was invited into a flight into the cockpit of a flight long before 9-11-2001 on a flight on a flight in Australia. I was traveling with a group of aviators from the United States. I rode the jumpseat behind the Captain for take off and about 30 mins. total. I think where they went wrong was posting this online. On an aviation note, Check out the Lufthansa 747 flight yesterday at LAX. Since your a pilot, I think you'd be interested. Good video Brodie!

Don‘t worry!

7:20 How do pilots on a flight, long enough to include sleep time, change seats?

I don't see a problem here. I've been in the flight deck when I was a kid and it was a awsome experience. I'm currently a pilot now. As a private chartered flight this was all in good fun and being overwatched by the PIC and right seat pilot I'm sure. No real danger here.

Doesn’t a charter flight change everything?

Way too cavalier with other people’s safety at high altitude. It’s inappropriate. You don’t need Part numbers to tell you that.

Hey Captain hold my beer I’m gonna take control of this plane…

Brodie...Your intro music...Rush?

Well said definitely risky putting someone in the captain chair at that altitude very little risk because the co pilot still had control. I was in the flight deck as a training flight attendant because there always has to be two crew members in it in case you have a German wings pilot or for any reason the pilot gets incapacitated while the other is in the bathroom you can get help and let the pilot in.

Since this is an international flight, are there extra rules that might apply? Granted, I assume that this more than likely happened over USA airspace and the landing procedures would likely start over US airspace, but...

Do we know if he was drunk at the time?

I genuinely thought you were just joking saying you’re a commercial pilot and flight instructor but I’ll be damned it’s true. What can’t this man do

Brodie, doesn’t part 135 only apply to charters with 30 seats or less? Surely there’s more than 30 people on this plane?

I asked my neighbor who is an AC pilot who has operated charters before about this. They said that charters fall under 121 FAA rules as these flights are given an official flight number even if it starts with a 7xxx or 8xxx. So these guys are in a lot of trouble.

When I was in school the rules change under 10,000ft under part 121 Sterile flight deck

4:10 Some wrong doing? Or no wrong doing? Leave the video up and let everyone who doesn’t like it learn to live with it.

Reminds me of Aeroflot flight 593. Back in 1994 on a Russian flight bound for Hong Kong, the pilot let his son sit in the captains seat and control the plane. He accidentally turned off autopilot which caused the plane to make a sudden nose dive and before they could regain control the plane crashed killing everyone on board.

Since it's not a regularly scheduled flight I'm 95% sure it would fall under part 135

I know nothing about the FAA rules or anything about flying; so my question is why would the 1st Officer's job be at risk? What did they do wrong? It was the Captain that granted the Coach permission into the cockpit, it was the Captain that left their assigned seat and invited the Coach to sit down, and it was the Captain that recorded the breach of FAA rules. Was the 1st Officer duty bound to overrule his Captain' and eject the Coach from the Cockpit? When the Captain got up from his chair and invited the Coach to sit there; was the 1st Officer obligated to assume the Captain's chair and controls and direct the Coach to sit in his seat instead? But then if that is the case isn't is a damned if I do and damned if I don't situation on the 1st Officer? Again I am confused as why the 1st Officer is in trouble and their job is at risk. They never left their assigned station, they never invited the Coach into the cockpit,, nor did they allow the Coach to sit at the Captain's station. Is it because they remained quiet and didn't voice their objection to their Captain breaking the rules?

Honestly, of all of United's recent issues, this is the least troubling, but as a fan of a rival team of the Rockies - I say arrest him

I have the controls..You have the controls.

The coach was an idiot for posting the photo online. These days seems like some people can’t help themselves from posting EVERYTHING

As someone who grew up with a dad who was a commercial pilot, I see what he did not that big of a deal.

AS a retired Part 121 Captain for a major airline, I think I'll sit in the dug out when I go to my next Rockies game.

Could be because it was an early international flight. FIFA instead of FAA

@74gear has said few times these private charters are diff rules, he talks about all military, or all sports flights that allow people upfront, to split hairs i think they visited and didnt take one of the 2 seats though,but he'd know the rules well,and he was recently promoted to captain

The photo/video showing Bam Bam in the captain’s seat is NOT a 787. That image is from a 757 or 767. The old electronic flight instrument (CRT) screens. The 787 also doesn’t have electromechanical flight instruments.

If this happened at the terminal before the plane moved, would it be permissible?

Sounds to me like you are making excuses for this fool and incompetent flight crew. You know better

@BrodieBrazil So the federal aviation regulations (FAR) applies to the COMPANY that’s operating the aircraft, not to the FLIGHT. This was a part 121 COMPANY doing a charter flight, therefore part 121 of the FAR applies to the flight. Both pilots will lose their jobs with United, United might get fined, captain will probably lose license, especially if they were the one that recorded it, 1st officer probably won’t but might if they didn’t raise as issue about it. The flight attendants will probably also lose their jobs, because on those flights, they are the reps to the team and fly on every flight with the team, whereas the pilots change out, at least at the companies I’ve talked to, should have prevented him from going into the cockpit.

Tempest in a teacup!

This is my team. Honestly the hitting coach being trying to fly the plane wouldn’t be so bad considering we couldn’t hit a ball off of a T if we tried.

His fingers are on the trim controls which is dangerous in itself.

Actually it falls under 14 CFR part 121 supplemental. Aircraft is too big to be part 135.

I wouldnt want happening on any flight I'm on. Thats a regulation that was written in blood.

Could Canada's FAA also get involved since they were flying to Toronto and it may have happened in Canada?

Maybe the Rockies should hire a pilot to coach the team. They could actually win some games.

While this flight seemed completely safe, a lot was gleaned from the Aeroflot Flight 593 incident. Experienced pilot letting his kid in the captain’s seat ended in tragedy. There’s a reason rules are in place.

Still waiting to take you on a skydive in Monterey 🤘

He did know the rule. so sick of excuses for "Somebody"

Does he watch gladiator movies

Question--this coach appeared jovial. Could he have been drinking? An FAA investigator should ask him and the flight attendance in charge of the liquor if that was the case. As a passenger, I would be somewhat anxious to know that a drunken untrained person was sitting at the controls. Even a sober untrained person in the #1 seat is unlawful. Remember a few yrs ago the mentally ill pilot who deliberately crashed the German airliner killing everyone?

No. Not during flight.

Reminds me of an accident that happened in Russia. The captain let his teenage son sit in the left seat. The kid accidentally bumped the yoke, which disengaged the autopilot and put the plane into a slight but progressive bank angle. By the time the problem was noticed, the jet was in an unrecoverable spiral and crashed with no survivors.

Wonder if he likes gladiator movies

I remember when I was a kid flying in the 1970's, it was commonplace, yes commonplace, to be invited up to the cockpit to check it out. No, I don't recall seeing any kids sitting in the pilot's seat (I wasn't the only one invited). I am 100% certain I did so on a United flight from Chicago to Seattle probably around 1974, on a 747, because I remember being escorted up the stairs (and by the way, the forward lounge and first class was amazing, I remember being in awe at how "modern" it looked for the time). I also got kids pilot wings, in fact I think I still have them. I know I did this more than once. Sure, I get that the security issues have changed (although back in the '70s, hijackings were happening with some regularity). However, as a member of the flying public and a private pilot, I truly don't see the big deal with a known passenger (to the crew in particular) on a charter flight visiting the cockpit. Sitting in the seat may be more "iffy" in my book, and filming it and posting it is definitely a dumb thing to do.

The question that should be asked is, was that an emotional decision or a logical decision based on professionalism? Because if a pilot is making emotional decisions how is he going to react in other situations? In my opinion it was completely unprofessional as there are also others at risk besides just the people on board.

This is a "Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's not a terrible idea" moment. Aeroflot proved that passengers at the controls can end badly, and we don't need repeats. If you're gonna break a bunch of FARs, don't post it online. Better yet, don't break them.

This would be a rule Part 135 flight as all of the charters flown by Part 121 airline companies are. United Airlines, which is a registered Airline with the FAA can file their flights under Part 91, 121, or 135. They own the aircraft and are paying the flight crew, but the team is paying the bill, and the passengers didn't by a ticket, and in fact are not able to unless they go through the entity chartering the flight. The team can put whoever they want to on the plane, this is why they typically don't depart from the public airport terminal. FYI, it is all about which box is checked with the flight plan is filed. FYI II - When an airline flys a plane of theirs for testing, or to move it from one city to another, those are Part 91 flights. This all said, I have a hunch that letting him sit there is probably ok under the FAA rule since the 1st officer was right there. As far as the rules of the airline.... I think he's in trouble there and his union won't be much help.

This is stupid!

It’s the Commerce City Rockies.

I remember seeing something about a Russian pilot letting his kid sit in the captain's seat and "fly" the plane. You can look up how that ended but it was not good. This is a bit different, but still reminds me of that incident years ago.

Obviously, for this to happen, the First Officer was the pilot flying and the Captain was the pilot monitoring. In addition to violating Part 121 and company rules, how can the pilot monitoring perform his duties, which includes handling radio calls, when he's not in the seat? This is reckless on the part of the Captain.

Aeroflot 593. Investigation by FAA deserved. You're understating the seriousness of a non-pilot on a 757 and idgaf if its charter or not. If my son were on that flight, I'd push FAA for full consequences allowable by the law.

People stop seof snitching by recording your violations and putting it on social media.

What happens if an engine blows out ? What happens if severe turbulence? What happens if the co pilot has a medical emergency ? Someone needs to be fired

This is akin to letting the 5 year old sit on a driver's lap and steering a car on a road with no traffic seen for miles in any direction. Technically a mistake. Dumb? Sure. But bad enough to put anyone's position or career in jeopardy? Nah.

A commercial flight did crash I believe in Russia because the pilot allowed his two children into the cockpit and sit in the pilot and copilot seats. One of them accidentally turned off the autopilot and no one noticed and the plane crashed a few minutes later. So this sort of thing did happen before that resulted in disaster. So I do believe that the pilots should face some penalties for this because it shouldn't be encouraged and its potentially unsafe.

After a few drinks, I like to take control of my charter aircraft too, no matter the type, although helicopters are a bit touchy. I pay, I do what I want and no crashes yet.

Shocker, being connected has privileges.

I didn't watch the entire video. I remember a video involving a Russian airline where the captain let his teenage kids sit at the controls. The started moving buttons, etc. and the plane went out of control and crashed. All aboard perished.

Would have been ok, before or after the flight. I don't know these pilots, but the issue may have been a pilot/fan situation. The company rules for a charter flight do differ from a regular passenger flight, but ... The fallout from the situation, while overblown tells the story. If it wouldn't play well on video, you probably shouldn't do it!

Come on man. There are rules against it BECAUSE it is unsafe.

This was a 121 flight. This Captain has probably a history below average, but I heard she was also teaching basic indoctrination classes at UAL. And the First Officer should 100% said …..nah this isn’t a good idea. Here’s how I operate ….. if I make a decision and my FO questions my decision , then I question my decision making process. Either way… they will have remedial training

should be the same rules ... actually should be stricter flight deck rules on these flights they dont go thru as strict of security probly alot easier to get a weapon on one of these charters

bam bam should be subject to a suspension