Committing Career Suicide With Two Words 

"Be good to people because it's the right thing to do." Nailed it!

Nice to hear a positive story, so many of the comments are filled with regret :)

Your kindness is inspiring.

Just. Right.

Did you ever work on the Neve board at Sound City studios? I just realized you moved to LA way after that board was acquired by the Nirvana drummer guy.

And it doesn't have to be the person you're trashing. The story WILL get back to them.

That's a good policy. I try to live up to this one as well: Never say anything about someone that you wouldn't say to them directly.

True. Even if they choose not to take it up against you, it is still in poor taste to do so.

LOL very weak policy

Yup, free speech isn't freedom from consequence.

So, basically don't be a rock star. Got it!

This applies to all of life, seriously. Speak whatever good you can about others, and word gets around.

@@dad1432 A wise man, I forget his name, said ''Do unto others that which you'd like done to you.''

Two words for carrer suicide? He could just have done it with one like N word lmao

I always got wasted. ALWAYS. In fact, thats one of the things I miss the most about the "band life". That and chicks 😅

Yes. Thank you. Seems you are one of the few here who got that. Nobody came out very well here.

I was going to write something similar, one thing is not to help them and another is to hurt them at every time they could. Billionaires were immature and stupid, but the other were huge assholes. From one thing you learn, the other I don’t think can be changed

Don't rely on other people's benevolence (especially if you've trashed them *multiple times.)*

@@RonJohn63 it’s not about benevolence, it’s about these guys making a mistake and Creed dedicating their lives to seek revenge and purposely hurting someone smaller than them forever and ever because they made one mistake.

@@metallikat05 I don’t remember him saying the Creed didn’t know anything about it. If you have your agent pulling this kind of crap on your behalf for years and you have no clue this is going on, then you have even bigger issues and you’re still responsible for what your agent did on your behalf. Edit: not “the Creed”, that Creed*

Damn. That's something to really contemplate.

Trombone Shorty sings a song about this very thing !!!

The hand you bite on the way up is attached to the butt you have to kiss on the way down.

The other one would be "Be careful. The toes you step on today may be attached to the ass you will be kissing tomorrow."

That's an Ozzy Osbourne quote. Have the decency to give him the credit.

When a friend of mine was in Art school, they did a thing where the students critiqued each other's work. He apparently was so harsh that he made a girl cry. Years later, guess who was the curator of a museum that he had been (unsuccessfully) trying to get a show at?

@@johnn.2017 👍👍

It's more than advice. It's my creed.

So what you're saying is the ego of the little immature boys from the band Creed got their feelings hurt from you telling the truth about them being alcoholics, so instead of accepting this reality and changing their ways, they took out their anger on you by trying to destroy your career? How pathetically sad little boys they are.

If you believe what your saying then say it. If this was a drunk saying it, then the rest of the band should have stopped him or apologized on stage and spoke directly to "creed" to resolve any issues.

Fantastic experience and thank you for sharing.

R.I.P. Mr. Keith ⛅🙏

Aw, that was a beautiful story.

You are a good human clearly, because you value good things and share them ❤ God bless you 🙏🏻

He even says good things about Guns and Roses' music just that he doesn't understand why they refuse to allow their music to be appreciated by others.

Watching Rick on David Bendeth’s remix contest of The Warning’s song, Money, I got the impression that Rick is underwhelmed by The Warning, but he never said anything negative. This video is a great lesson!

Well... he did make a video called "The Latest Top 10 Is...Sh*t" and he was absolutely right. I think he calls it like he sees it but genuinely tries to see the positive aspects when it's feasible.

Yup.

@@pfelice157 even in those "Latest Top 10..." videos Rick talks about positive aspects first. He tries to find something cool in almost every song. I'd love to have the same outlook on life.

Right On!

He also used to like to rip the piss out of guitarists too. He once singled out Eric Clapton and asked if he could come up and tune his guitar for him after he debuted a rendition of “Sgt. Pepper’s” on stage. And what about his run-in with Pete Townsend backstage at Monterey Pop Festival about who would go on stage first? Townsend told him The Who were going to “leave a wound” on the US music scene. The Who won the coin toss, went on stage and Townsend smashed up the stage. Jimi upstaged them by fucking his amp with a guitar and then setting it on fire. Baller move😂

I suspect that Jimi honestly did find something good about almost every player to emulate. Being the guy who is always learning is the way a guitar monster's skills are built :)

“dont trash anyone” 💯💯💯

The trick is you just wait until you get home to trash talk, only nice stuff at the gig. Theatre people do this too I think.

This is not the same thing at all. That guy was just a wanker who couldn't handle honesty. From some rockers in their early 20s, too. He asked for an opinion and he got it, in a private exchange. Probably, you might have dodged a bullet there.

Another great cautionary tale about not burning bridges (although, I hope you'll read my parting sentence/paragraph, below). I'm curious, not saying this would be the right answer, but I wonder how it would've went over if the dude who said "they sucked," instead had said something like "Well, to be honest, I can't speak for the rest of the members of my band, but I personally feel that the winning band had possibly won due to it being part of a publicity plan, etc. That said, however, their skills are damned excellent. They are indeed an epic band." I wonder if the manager would have appreciated the honesty and considered signing them. There is another point to the story though: this manager was part of this unethical publicity stunt. So would one want to do business with a manager like that anyway? Maybe your bandmate did your band a favor in the long run. Hard to say.

Mama always taught me if you don’t have something nice to say about someone don’t say it at all

@@ambientrelaxingandhealingm7552”This s manager was part of this unethical publicity stunt.” I don’t know what kind of world you live in, but “unethical” is a word best left to medicine, academia, and law. Not the weekly battle of the bands or pub quiz. The point of these events is exposure and this OP’s band got this, and it seems OP was even grateful for it. Fact of the matter is that any sane band would DEFINITELYwant that kind of manager. “You mean, he could set up exhibition events for us like this, too? Sign me up

George Martin: " Is there anything you don't like?' George Harrison: "Well, for a start I don't like your tie." And THAT is why the world never got to hear of The Beatles.

A lesson John Lennon could have used.

@@RockandRollWoman Right?!? lol. I'm from the classic rock era and always marveled at bands or individual musicians from back then that had bad things to say about others.Seems like Blackmore pretty much hated everyone, Zeppelin made fun of Jethro Tull, Joe Perry was dismissive of EVH, etc. etc. But I guess it's partly because they were young(ish), very competitive and had a lot of testosterone flowing.

Creed still sucks though. I just listen to music so I'm supposed to be allowed to say it.

LOL- This is rock and roll, not Dr. Phil. Countless professionals, many of which went on to become super successful, talked smack about their peers. I'm not saying anything great happened for them as a result- but it didn't derail their career or anything like that. This was a petty manager with an ego problem. Most managers would totally understand that you shouldn't hold something like that against the whole band- nor let it affect you to the point you would spend actual effort and time trying to harm them in some way professionally. Besides- Creed did suck- Rick's band apparently knew that before the rest of us- but we caught up.

I don’t know, Noel Gallagher made a nice side career off it. It can work for some…but is Ill advised.

Powerful. That's a good lesson to remember.

That owner has a high opinion of his janitor.

​@@pamelah6431if there were needles in the bathroom or some other incredible mess, the janitor tells you that... The boss associates the bands they invite with the crowds that come in to see them.

Yes, that is absolutely true. There are so many things that a band depends on, especially when things do not work out as planned.

or Junkies

As an alcoholic myself, this is absolutely true. I f*cked up my bandmates so many times I lost count, and that's when I actually showed up to the gig, and was not passed out somewhere. I would also add: never keep screw-ups in the band just because they are your friends.

Idk, Metallica turned out alright :))

@@PaulXPZ I read back in the 90's there are 10,000 bands in just LA trying to make it. Do you want to risk/ruin your music career because of a drug addict or alcoholic. Of course not. Would you pay a guy to fix your car transmission while he was plastered? Or worse yet, operate on your broken leg...LOL! Nothing wrong with partying, we all party, even those guys in suits party hard, but...big difference between partying and a drug addict or alcoholic. I partied pretty hard when I was young, but I always made it to work and gave it 100%.

​​@@PaulXPZThe band is huge, famous, and successful, but I wouldn't trade my life for any one of those guys'. They are all phucked up! In the immortal words of Garth Brooks, " I thank God for unanswered prayers".

It really makes me wonder if he ever talked about this with Scott or connected with Mark Tremonti at any point

@@JS-jo3wj should just gave the guy who trash talked the band as an offering, or let him do humilliating thing in public as an apology to makes things right again it just such a wasted potential and time from one single screwed act

Technically he didn't.

Courage? Ever heard of water under the bridge? Decades have passed, why should Rick care at this point?

3.55 now

Mike Patton disagrees 😮

As a fellow artist(filmmaker and music producer) I actually agree with most of what you said except for the moral courage statement. Most artists I’ve worked with are narcissists and put their art out there out of a sense of entitlement. I don’t respect that. To them moral courage would be staying with their spouse and raising their kids, or to call their mom or dad and save that relationship. There was a season where I had to put my art way out on the back burner. That’s more courage that letting my family starve while I try to make my career happen. I’m still struggling, but now I’m doing it with a road map and providing for my family.

I don't agree. Constructive criticism is fine. Outright trash-talking and insults is unacceptable. I've been in a couple bands, helped produce demos for a few more and helped find talent for one. In my one failed band, I should have taken criticism to heart more. I would probably be more successful of it. Several local artists were always offering constructive criticism and feedback. We were all looking out for each other.

@@JamesRichardsPlays That’s how it should be. Art isn’t as subjective as people want it to be. There is objectively bad art.

Lets hope we've fully established once and for all what _IS_ objectively bad cause it's all academic now... AI is fixing to turn creative autonomy over to the talentless masses like it's candy crush

Excellent to keep in mind. Or, could someday be your neighbor.

All this tells me is that I get to say whatever I want because I work for myself

Investigative journalist maybe. 😉

Always be nice to the people going down the escalator when your going up. You never know which side you’ll be on when you see them again. How bout people just learn to respect people just to respect people what the f**k ever happened to the golden rule?

And never say or write anything in private you would not say to a person's face...

I will say this though. Eddie Van Halen is mostly remembered as a very sweet friendly guy, but I can remember him trashing other guitarists in the 80's in magazine interviews. It was always a bad look, especially when it was guys who idolized him.

Very well said. What's the point anyway?

oh so deep lololol

Speaking of petty… how about that agent of Creed??

Not true. Even Clapton admitted being jealous of George Harrison. Jealousy is around the corner in everybody, it doesn't matter who you are..... if one is big enough to admit it... that's another thing

The sad part of your story is that the manager had learned to be kind 1. because it could benefit him in the long run and 2. he lost out on the benefit from the lesson itself. My point is, why can't we just be kind for kindness' sake?

@@beatweezl :: Yes, I second that, even if we also don't die if we think how to earn money and stay afloat. Those two interests do not always align, but often do.

What a great story. Thank you for sharing.

Indeed. Just be nice to people; we're all in this together... something a lot of people never learn. It doesn't cost anything to be kind, and the benefits can be beyond imagining, depending on circumstance. Politeness is the lubrication that makes the gears of society run; don't neglect it!!!

Your last line is a major piece of wisdom.

I just clicked your picture and subscribed to track back to your channel after this video because of your comment, only to discover you have no videos (and I've only done my first weeks ago) Regardless, You are bang on in your response here. Cheers man! 🔊🌠🎶

@@ClassicConnectionsCa I strongly suspect that most individuals in a public facing position who work for or with well known media companies would never make any kind of unofficial post from an account that could be tracked back to their work or employer, that is just basic Cover Your Ass 101

Yes I have heard of you and your work with Disney and Amazon. I am not in the music business but do know a little about a little bit. My occupation is best described as being a person who does the things for my Island nation that no others are ... well, let us say, equipped to do. My name is Bond, James Bond.

Even when ya don't wanna!

é o resumo da minha vida enquanto integrante de banda

From the stage, LOL, how about from "anywhere".... lol

Also,don't trash talk your sound man while on stage in front of an audience.

Professional rule is not to trash people helping you even if you don't like it music, their style, their looks political stance etc it about respect.

Staying sober probably helps to avoid doing stupid things, too. Well, who cares about that? lol

Heckling can be dealt with a number of ways. Confronting the heckler correctly and engaging them entertainingly is an essential skill for a front man. Look at how Bill Hicks would deal with them - back yard brawls, stand up comedy and Shakespearen theatre have the highest standards of verbal competence. The streets of London can be very hostile, and you need to know how to talk respectfully as well as disrespectfully, and to know the when and where of it. You will get tested. Trashing another band casually, it depends if you're making a point about artistic separation and distancing. If you're willing to eject all the fans of that music on principal, say your piece. Do I have somebody on the the list of fans to trip a new one for? Of course! Who kill jill dando? Jim'll Fix it and N Sync. Lou Perlman AKA big poppa. Backstreet's back, alright, with another round of ponzi, payola and something up the batty crease? Oh yes, we have all that and more round my ends. We got grenfell and kids who stab each other, and talk about murder on records. Yes bro. Seriously. Say what you mean, and mean what you say. Do not raise the beef idly, get your weapons ready for warfare. This is all very much for real.

are the tenses mixed up intentionally?

Ozzy teaching life lesson while snorting lines of ants. That's a real philosopher.

Your example doesn’t make sense. She left but didn’t apply for it. Cause her future boss???

@@Maxim.Teleguz Her future boss dealt with her at our organization and he offered her a position, after seeing how she handled his problem.

Basically she was a customer service rep, helped a customer, and that customer liked the way she helped that he offered her a job with his business for twice they pay

That is actually a great example of how this can work in reverse. You can sometimes BUILD bridges by being good at what you're doing and acting in a way to not "impress" but because you're doing the right thing.

@@Blayzed_247 Excellent example of "You reap what you sow". Always be respectful in life. The opposite = bad reputation.

Or don't be a d1ck band. Oh no someone said you suck. You're pulling 20k+ people...why give two sh1ts what some drunk guy says?

@@user-ts5lz2fc7f Anyone so quick to jump to alcohol's defence probably especially shouldn't drink when they're working lol

Or, just don’t be a dick to other people ;)

A shot/glass of wine, etc before you go on is OK for most people. But two or more means that the only person who will think you were good is you! ;)

This is exactly why just about every small band I have known takes the bulk of the "complimentary" intoxicants *after their show is done* . Anything heavy before performing is often bad news. 😉

Syd Barrett says high.

@@yelnikigwawa1845 LOL

"Comparison is the thief of joy"- That's fantastic

Ruining the career of musicians for the trash talking is just as bad as the trash talking. It's all stupid ego BS.

So you're definitely right on the comparing yourself and your band with some member of some other band or the other band itself. There is NO reason for the arts to become a competitive business, it's how everything and everyone become a bunch of uniform clones of each other and the entirety of the scene becomes monotonous and repetitive and boring. On the other hand, I can easily understand why a small bar band, who carry their own gear, who often play their hearts out for free drinks or gas money, might resent seeing a band like Creed getting rich for some of the least original (after all, they really did just copy that bubble-in-the-mouth singing style that EVERYONE did in the 90s) and most lyrically vaccuous tripe. It's like Green Day doing the thing that Berkeley bands did, where they basically faked british accents, in order to be more convincing to punks. It doesn't convince anyone, and the *fans* you'll wind up having to cater to are kids who just heard you on the radio and like you because they think they are expected to. Here's the thing. I bet you play guitar, you may be the same kinda "multi-instrumentalist" that I am, being slightly better than mediocre at drums and owning a bass and knowing how to do some decent stuff on it as well, but being that you're here, I am guessing guitar is your main instrument. If I am incorrect, just substitute your main instrument wherever I say "guitar" and everything still applies. When you got your first guitar, maybe from a parent or older sibling who already played, maybe you saw something on tv or heard a song that made you want to be able to play it and asked for a starter kit, and you got that thing and set about trying to learn, right? So as you were making your fingers *bleed* those first few months of learning, what was in your mind? What did you envision? Did you foresee crowds of hundreds or even thousands of people, hearing you play your heart out, imagining the looks on their faces and the interaction between you and them? Maybe you envisioned impressing chicks somewhere in there, that's not unheard of...... but mostly, you were thinking of that JOY you mentioned, right? You were NOT crunching numbers in your head, how much you'd spend on your first 'real' guitar and amp and how soon it would pay for itself, or how much you'd make once this label executive happened to get a flat tire out in front of the club you were playing and saw you and signed your band. You were *NOT* thinking about cashing checks. That ain't the dream, it's an obstacle to overcome. Mostly, musicians accept payment to make it sustainable. We want to be able to spend as much of our time and energy writing and recording and performing as we can, so it has to pay for itself. That's it. Stardom only even enters the picture much later, usually in the context of "I would love to be heard by a million people a day!" It only becomes about the money once you've already gotten taken aside by some vulture, and it being about the money is a surefire way to get you into that competitive mindset, thereby robbing you of most or all that joy. How joyful is the life of the washed up old rock star, who peaked 20 years ago, with "can you taaaaake meeeee highyyaaa"? Specifically, the artistic life, how much satisfaction is really in that?

@@AdamRainStopper Competition is natural and is one of the strongest driving forces to be better than your peers

@@zk0rned Natural? Poison ivy is natural. Alligators that will bite your dick off are natural. Competition ..... well, it's no less natural than cooperation and collaboration, but these things are morally neutral, and competition in the arts completely robs it of all its meaning. What does it it even mean to be "better than your peers" on songwriting? Can you measure that? I'll give you a hint: no. No go practice for the career as a rock star that you will definitely get if you are just competitive enough.

IMAGINE THAT HAPPENING!! HAHAHAA

What makes this song great on "Tremati sings Sinatra "

Would love to hear that interview!

You do have a tradition of interviewing great Italian Guitarists. Also, Vito Brata is a good candidate too. Just saying!!! Love your work, Rick.

I remember I used to think he wasn't a "real singer" but, wow has he ever improved!

absolutely right

Seriously, would never have anything to do with a band who gets drunk on stage. Pretty sure even among alcoholics that this is a big no no.

Yes, a thousand times yes. I don't drink, I don't do drugs and I've been in bands. If something went wrong it was basically always because of one guy being drunk or high on something. 90% of the time. If I ever start or join another band it will be under the condition that everyone stays sober until a gig is done and the gear packed.

You know, there are people who do all sort of shi~ when they're drunk and there are people who *never* do anything like that when they're drunk. As much as I am against alcohol, you can't blame alcohol alone. It just removes certain 'safety guards': if someone is good person, he won't cause a problem. But also, perfoming drunk is just unprofessional.

Drink AFTER the show, not before

My father gave me that exact same advice.

I got "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all."

I pride myself on my honesty and saying what I feel and it has got me in plenty of trouble lol.

I'm ashamed to say I learned that lesson the hard way! But I haven't talked about anyone behind their back or given my straight up opinion on a person since I was fourteen and you know what? No one has ever called me on it. If you don't gossip, or dish or talk smack, and you keep that as a policy, you just don't lecture other people about it, they won't notice, at least not consciously.

Smart dad!

I'm only on year 5 and I'm already prayin' for tidal waves.

AWESOME IDEA!!!!

would be awesome to see some of Mark T's guitar setup.. I'm not even a massive creed fan but the dude can play, & pull tones

Do it! Now!

@@andrewg5639 I'm a Creed fan lol, but what hooked me from the very beginning was Tremotti's guitar playing. That dude can play.

@@shotakuervo 100% - Scott Phillips is a great drummer too!

G'day, Charlie-Oooooo! In another video, Rick recounted that there would never have been a a Rick Beato RU-vid channel called "Everything Music" had it not been for his playing string bass in a chamber orchestra's performance of Bach's Brandenburg Concerto #3 in sixth grade.

G'day yourself Linda! Super cool how it seems everything works out great in the end.... unless it doesn't ;-) I think the big takeaway from this tale, is that Rick never stopped because of these unfortunate events; and his life-long passion for music was not thwarted by the unfortunate interpretation of a band member's untimely drunken antics, by some important and influential people. So basically, most of the time, you're not defeated until you tell yourself and others that you are. Of course, there are many exceptions to that theory, but successful folks like Rick just keep on truckin'. ;-)

Being friendly to the sound engineer (if you don't have your own, or the venue provides one) is also the smart thing to do 😀 (And I'm not implying you shouldn't be nice to your own engineer lol)

@@dabarnhoorndefinitely overlooked, tho I think you can carry this policy to a lot of facets in life, being thankful for thankless situations/jobs sometimes makes people’s days and that’s just a nice feeling in itself whether it pays off or not.

Back in 2004 my buddy and I did a east coast to California road trip. We stayed with a guy who was an comedian(my friends cousin). He even did a bit part in Mind of Mencia. So the Comedian was the MC of a small comedy show in LA. I am sitting watching a comedian on stage and the MC walks up to me an asks if the guy thanked him for the set. He did not. Instantly the MC shined his blue light on him to end his set. Keep in mind the guy was on stage for about 2-3 minutes. I was blown away at how petty the MC was. Even the comedian onstage said on the mic..."Already?!"

Duhhhh, ya think....?!

A great story! I have a friend, a film director, who met a lady at a party and he started to bash another film director whom he thought to be an irritating poseur. After he was done the lady revealed the fact that she was living with this poseur. Ooops!

And he’s a very objective and humble gentleman.

WTF. Truly boring story, nothing happened. I was expecting a grand finale and his kid chipped a teeth, wow 🙄

@@dinamoarg Yes, I left that part out of my comment.

@@emilebensdorp1802 Sounds made up.

I don't know when or how it got instilled in me but for some reason I knew (kind of instinctively) that burning bridges will come back to haunt you. Karma will find its way back. When that inner voice (or angel) taps you on the shoulder and says "don't do that", you better listen.

awesome!

Absolutely right.

*Pffft, hold my 🍻 Beer... I saw somethin' on TV & I think I can do it.* 🥴 🤦🏽‍♂️ 🤭🤣

I don't think I've ever had an above average idea at best while drunk. Lol

Hide the beer!

Pulling a billionare! LMAO

Celebrity second wives, multimillion dollar estates, yachts, personal assistants and bodyguards. Yeah, who wants all that.

Rock star seems like a dangerous occupation. Overdoses, plane crashes and guns. Seems almost every big band has lost at least one member. What is that, a 20% death rate? Off the top of my head: Zep, Stones, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Hendrix, Joplin, Doors, The Who, Ozzy (guitarist), Pretenders, Chilli Peppers, STP, Nirvana, Lyrnrd Skynyrd, Allman Brothers (motorcycle crash), Def. Leppard, Sublime, Sex Pistols, Chicago,.... I'm sure there is many more if I looked it up.

@@alangil40 Unfortunately, success brings enough money to self-destruct.

I participated in ‘big time’ rock n roll touring. While there was drugs and exhaustion, I was never estranged from my family, they loved and supported what I did, and I was never too big to go to the grocery store. That sounds silly anyway. My singer, maybe. But he’d just wear a baseball cap low, like all celebs do. It was a wonderful experience and I’m a better person for going through it all. Plus, people still listen to our music and I still get paid from it. So I guess not all stereotypes of touring fit the cliche narratives - The takeaway is that everyone’s story is different. There are lots of us who didn’t OD, got paid, lived out our dreams, and had worthwhile experiences.

Someone doing bad business is not good business.

Yep, it’s well known that Scott was a mean drunk. I’ve known several nice people who flip like a switch when they drink.

wow!!

I bet they still tell that story to their friends like it was a freaking achievement!

Why would it ever cross their tiny little minds that she might be just the slightest bit vindictive over something like that being done to her, particularly when she was giving them a leg up? Or that as one of the most powerful people in the business, she just might be in a position to act on her vindictive impulses? I don't like her either, but these boys would have made out better by jumping in front of a fast moving freight train. She could even see to it that their up and coming barista careers wither and die, too. Bad judgement's a career-killer!

@@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry It's that mindless middle finger attitude that rockers used to have back then. Not always that rude like the Pixies being invited to Arsenio but refusing to play "Here Comes Your Man". But to be like that without a signed contract or something it's a first! A huge stupid one!!

@@walisoliva "It's that mindless middle finger attitude". Yep, perfectly said.

IDK man, that's almost worth it.

I've learned the valuable lesson of you have no idea who knows each other and what history people have shared. Never trash talk anyone, ever. Praise often, and if you have nothing nice to say, be silent. That silence will speak more than any negative words you muster.

@@barronfraker5116 well said.

Yeah, NO. NOT when they decide to jump onstage to sing background vocals poorly. The proof is in the recording. Yeah, I was NOT nice with titling...

Powerful words

@@barronfraker5116 quote ".... if you have nothing nice to say, be silent. That silence will speak more than any negative words you muster." Oh yes. The term is "Damned by faint praise." 😀

Wow - also a very great story! And I just went & listened to Gypsy Rain & love it so I will be listening to much more of your music!!!!! Are you still a solo artist or in any bands or what are you up to these days?

That is why you have to go for it: Every time. None of us has the luxary of time. You gotta love it just alittle more than anything else you're doing.

The problem is that young talented artists who have either a personality disorder and / or an addiction problem are usually young and talented artists who have either a person.....etc

Was it Max Martin?!

@@xsbutter Mark Mazzetti. His brother was Eric Eden who was an A&M artist for a short time.

I know you're really Russian because of this: )))) I lived in Russia for a few years, and I said to my girlfriend, what is that? She said "smiley face" I said nooo 🙂 :-) Must be this! lol Spasebo!

oh, man....

English language is so stupid, that's a pretty funny story in hindsight though.

Great story about languages

daaaamn, that's hard

Alcohol, baby.

For some reason he was resentful, and alcohol loosened his tongue.

He just wanted a good reaction from the crowd. If people cheer when you say something, you'll probably keep saying it

Well, you do need a certain amount of swagger to be a performer on stage, even more as a lead singer. But swagger is also a sharp knife, and can cut the wrong way if mishandled.

@@ectobluntus but he could've easily rectified it by saying no...its just a joke guys 'we love creed' they've been good to us...he was letting his jealousy out

If you gotta trash them, wait until after the tour, and you better have a point

This is true of any vocation.

Really good creed to live by

​​​​​@@irism903 so you're saying Creed (or their manager) should not only have accepted the humiliation, but also act like a little b¡tch with no sense of self-worth, by helping out (serving) people who mistreat them like that? WHY should they? 🤨

They may even replace you with someone whose talent is *lesser* simply because they can't put up with your shenanigans anymore.

Learned his lesson.

Because he doesn't get hammered like his lead singer

Well apart from the Spotify Top 10 roundups... (I don't totally disagree but also those genres aren't his thing either)

Don't feel too bad. So many other bands were also ultra-competitive too, but did a phony "super nice dude" front. Later it was different. I was cool to all, but that two faced competitive thing runs deep. You are being honest and I can dig that. I did try to reach out to other bands, but found that I was naive. The 80's punk thing did have community, but in the more mainstream clubs, no way. It is stiff competition (as in the Cheap Trick tune : ))

Great comment, man. 👌

@@user-wf4fv4oc1h I have to second that thought - so many times people don't realize how destructive that competitiveness is, on both sides of the equation.

@@AdamWestish It sadly is. The early punk scene (80's hardcore) did not have that vibe. So I left to play in those bands after jamming Jeff Beck and Mahavishnu stuff. Then once I got to know the guys in Black Flag well, I realized they were into the same stuff as me (King Crimson etc). They also hated the BS competition scene and cooked their own gumbo up. I joined in and has a a lot of fun. Cheers Mate!

@@user-wf4fv4oc1h wow, very interesting...

This is true of most professions.

@@cacwgm . . except that, fewer professions include nightly standing at a mic in front of a room full of people broadcasting their biases and other poorly rendered opinions . .

@@beatlesrgear, sure thing Honey.

Dear Com Voice: The two words of career suicide should be -- *Don't drink!* One thing leads to another.

​@@beatlesrgearpeople who actually perform live would say differently

@@mindquad779 Alcohol makes people more confident in their abilities while also decreasing their ability to perform motor skills. Playing an instrument is no different. Maybe it gives you the confidence to play but it absolutely do not make you play better.

@@tmoore121 people who actually perform live would say differently

And where are creed now?😊

@davehoward22 Busy as beavers, too busy to re-unite...but the future is out there, with an ample supply of sliding doors yet to open and close ;-)

@@davehoward22They’re Alter Bridge. And they have been touring and releasing albums for about 20 years.

Sounds like Ricks singer was going to take the band down one way or another

More than likely, Billionaire would have faded out like a lot of bands from that era. Rick may have never moved on to a second career, but maybe he still would. He was already in his late 30s and had a family.