Yeah the HIMARS system is nice and all but, without any type anti-shovel capability it's just not going to win any friends. You just can't beat a good russian shovel these days, as I believe the results speak for themselves.
Right, those poor shovels! Imagine having to dig 200-500 meters forward all day everyday! Might be exhausting work. Russia needs a national shovel day.
I see that you are either very niave or not very bright. You do now that unlike this Propaganda piece, 🇷🇺 has destroyed HIMARS systems and now the HIMARS are being used to target civilians in the DPR capital targeting markets during the day. Those are US soldiers who are doing this as it takes a long time to train 🇺🇦's on the System. Maybe the Fascists have a say in targeting civilians and not the US commitimg war crimes.
This sucks. How can you compare HIMARS to the BM-30 without even mentioning that HIMARS is the light version of the M270? Hello? More tubes? Tracks? Awful video.
It is possible to replace the six tubes of the HIMARS and get a launcher to launch one MGM-140 ATACMS. But hypothetically, it is also possible to replace the 12 tubes of the Smerch wheeled launcher (after modification called Tornado-S) with a pair of long-range missiles, and then it would be the Iskander system. So there's not much difference. The problem is that Russia has many more missiles and launchers, and their accuracy, range and effectiveness are the same or even better.
That's fine you care what our opinion is, not the other way around. I mean you don't see me learning Vodka speak, I'm sorry I mean Russian. You wrote in the language that matters for a reason dum dum.
If US and its European puppets are supplying Ukraine with weapons and money while not being considered as an enemy, then Russia has same rights to provide its military aid to Houthies, Columbians, IRA, you name it...
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket So why are you commenting on a video that is comparing your weapons to the vodka's weapons? Of you didn't care at all, why even make the video in the first place and why did you click on it?😂 Oh and why did you comment again if you didn't care?
When Americans talk weapons system we do speak the truth, vs Russians who over report everything their systems can do we downplay our abilities. But by all means please keep exaggerating what your trash can do, that's how we got the F-16 and so many other systems. I always find it amusing when a Russian learns English, to sign up and agree to an American contract (When you joined RU-vid) to mock us. You don't see Americans learning Russians to troll you, probably because we don't care about your opinion nearly as much as you do ours. I guess that says who has the power, and who pretends huh.
Ukraine is winning. Ukraine lost 2 soldiers, one tank with a flat and a helicopter taht ran out of gas. The Russians altough they are fleeing in panic due to lack of amunition and refrigerator parts for tanks lost 2726282736366382991 soldiers, 87622737363 tanks, 32626363737 helicopters and their economy just received a cool profit on 2023 of 2,3 dollars. So... ukraine is winning. Oh yes and Putin has dandruff.
The closest MLRS system comparison you can make to the HIMARS in terms of range caliber and accuracy is not the SMERCH but the Russian 9A53-S Tornado. The Tornado has a higher caliber rocket than the HIMARS (300m to the HIMARS 227mm), has more tubes (12 compared to the HIMARS 6 tubes), Outranges the HIMARS (120km/72 miles to the HIMARS 80kms 43 miles) and is as accurate with each having an error for accuracy of between 5-10m. Russia also has a plethora of these with brigades formed with these with each brigade having 48 launchers each. It breaks down like this: 1 brigade has 4 battalions, each battalion has 3 batteries with 4 Tornado launchers per battery, each with its own ammo supply truck equipped with a crane and carrying 12 rockets. That is a hefty amount of throw weight and accuracy that the US cannot even come close to comparing to logistically. In half of a brigade salvo you would have 288 300mm rockets coming at you with a maximum range of 72 miles. That's insane. And Russia has several brigades of these.
Did you use google translate for this? To many spaces, and the order of the words make no damn sense. Are you saying Americans fire a Himars every minute and Russians every second? Because sure we know you guys value quantity over quality. We've seen you ghetto unguided munitions and aren't impressed. We hit the target, you have to hit the entire field to hit the target. So even with our weapons costing 50x what yours do, they're 60x more effective by your own argument? I won't argue there.
i love how he says "area effect" and not cluster munitions. lol it is not a dirty word and both sides use them. neither usa or russia signed the agreements to stop using them.
even if russia signed some agreement you can count they would break their word just like the promise to not attack ukraine in exchange for their nukes (Budapest memorandum)
@user-ut3jk7it6c like how the US has a policy of “strategic ambiguity” in China. Or how they lied about NATO expansion in Eastern Europe. Don’t presume moral superiority of the West.
The new Tornado-S offers the capabilities of a precision weapon thanks to the use of guided rockets. The BM-30 Smerch has only the capability to launch unguided rockets. The Tornado-S is fitted with a GLONASS satellite navigation system enabling the launch of guided rocke
Tornado-S uses several guidance capabilities that include GLONASS navigation system, infrared laser homing. GPS is US navigation system that is frequently suppressed in the areas where Russia conducts military activities.
if this were an effective weapon being deployed in numbers....we'd see plenty of examples of it actually being effective and used in numbers. for comparison, think about how vaunted the TOS-1 was and how many videos it got. when the russians actually succeed with something they tend to brag
@@tilenjeraj2684just google and u will see a lot of videos and pictures. Recently der is a video and picture of damage himars during its loading into a cargo plane
@@tilenjeraj2684telegram 🤷. It's where you'll get the most accurate unfiltered info about the war. Despite them not saying it in the video himars is used to strike the capital of Donetsk as revenge tactics. If they used it against Russian troops maybe Russia wouldn't be advancing so fast
@HappeningInKenya Why would I write in Russian? I'm not the one who's going on an English speaking Channel spewing propaganda. That's your job, I have a real one.
False, several HIMARs have been destroyed on video. Just today ( march 5th ) there was a video of Himars being destroyed during daytime by a tornado S rocket.
There is a whole cottage industry in Ukraine to make fake military vehicle bodies. HIMARS replicas were in Ukraine before the first actual M142 unit arrived.
Well there are definite videos of at least 3 himars that were hit by smerch with pinpoint accuracy directly in the middle of the truck in Ukraine and that was 50 km from the front line. In one of those you can see how the rockets of the Himars are popping and flying all around so it was hit before it fired.
Have you got photos? becuase Russia is quick to prove they have destroyed western tech throughout this war. Yet funnily when you say you destroyed western tech some how there is no photos to be seen anywhere. Simply put, show a photo or proof or your lying out of your ass.
So generally the modern Smerch has more firepower, less cost, longer range and shorter reloading time but it's major drawback is it's not as pin point accurate as HIMARS. But the good weighs more than the bad and the GPS which HIMARS uses can also be jammed. So I would say Smerch will be the better option.
It depends where the jammers are situated because you can't just jammed the whole area you are operating on as it's a double edge sword. That's why we see so many himars attacks despite Russia using jammers
@@pandibbarman So many HIMARS attack? Not to long ago they reported how many Ukriane does. It was barely any. Like nonexisten. 2 sallwos a week. Thats nothing.
"HIMARS has been employed for 18 months and none have been destroyed" Well he just lost credibility with the statement. They destroyed somewhere between 4 and 6 way back in August after they were first deployed. A Patriot launcher was destroyed just last week. Russia showed videos of the strikes. THUMBS DOWN for pathetic propaganda.
What good is it when it cannot hit the target? NO HIMARS has been destroyed, but countless Russian MLRS, including the BM-30 have been destroyed by HIMARS. Just search RU-vid🤪
Your opinion has the value zero. :) In shooting things, hits count, not amount of shots. That is why a sniper is worth more than a rifleman who shoots 300 rounds and hits nothing. That is why smart bombs are worth more than carpet bombing. This entire video is just a guy comparing irrelevant numbers.
*In video:* HIMARS range = 50 miles ATACMS range = 190 miles -- -- -- -- Smerch range - 43 miles Tornado range = 75 miles *If open Wiki:* HIMARS range = 50 miles ATACMS range = 190 miles -- -- -- -- Smerch range - 80 miles Tornado range = 125 miles
"HIMARS has been employed for 18 months and none have been destroyed" Well he just lost credibility with that statement. They destroyed somewhere between 4 and 6 way back in August after they were first deployed. A Patriot launcher was destroyed just last week. Russia showed videos of the strikes. THUMBS DOWN for pathetic propaganda.
The Patriots system was not destroyed I saw the video I also go on the Russian dark web if that's the right term it's almost impossible to completely destroy the Patriots system because it has several different components stretched out intentionally away from each other it did get damaged and then repaired. As far as the high Mars getting destroyed I've heard Russian internet chatter and it goes both ways and no one really knows what's true or what's not which is pretty common in wartime the first casualty of war is the truth if you listen to the Russians they'll say they've destroyed Abrams tanks and Patriot batteries and they'll go on and on if you listen to the West they're just as bad with their propaganda just because you're from Russia or a Russian fanboy for a fanboy of the United States does not mean your country is immune to propaganda both sides fill up their citizens ears with propaganda
"Russia showed video of these strikes" The video they gave as evidence is unbelievably pathetic, anyone with half a brain knows that Russia says these things because it helps them gain support and keeps moral up. Like seriously, the video shows a complex from a drone that is probably 20,000 feet up or more and there are 4 trucks side by side and they destroy all for with a drone that barely hit one of them? *If you're going to use propaganda at least do a better job at it. They're clearly lying and are desperate.* And on what Earth do you think the Ukrainians are storing 4 HIMARS out in the middle of the open? They don't even store them, they're always being moved and they definitely are not being stored together. Have you not heard the phrase "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" You are either another Russian internet brigade shill or just dumb.
Bro, the Russians use Lancet to destroy Ukrainian military equipment, while Ukrainians use Himars to destroy Russian military equipment. Lancet is a much cheaper option than Himars, at $10,000 versus $100,000. Currently, Lancet has destroyed more than 1000 pieces of Ukrainian military equipment, including everything from Western to Soviet. There is both video and photo evidence of the destruction of Himars.
My man if that was the chase Russia would only use drones and not mlrs and other missiles lol. Drones have a place of it's own but other equipments have them too. As ukrain too uses drones to destroy Russian equipments with drones and this drones are much cheaper then Lancet
@@narayanyadav9210 Yeah they don't have anything in comparison to Lancet, what they have is much cheaper commercial drones which are cheap, small in size and obviously more powerful depending on what warhead they used in it
They dont know,Tornado S is like Himars,you will see this days firing on targets. Smerch is just like Grad but with more mm caliber. Americans want to be the best,but they not ;)
The reason the HIMARS has an edge is that the entire Western intelligence is providing information for Ukraine. If the Russia starts getting as much reconnaissance for future air/missile strikes, then even the HIMARS would be in great danger.
BM-27 "Uragan" (220mm) is the closest Russian equivalent to the Himars (227mm), not BM-30 "Smerch" (300mm). Tornado-S is the name of the upgraded BM-30, and allows it to fire the GLONASS-guided 9М542 missile that has a range of 120 kilometers - almost twice the range of Himars.
4:36 pffp, except the one in konstantinovka. And the rest is also pizdezh ofc. in particular, load time witnesses forget to mention that _one_ smerch rocket weights more than whole himars pack, and is also longer than himars wehicle itself. They even evade using "to scale" footage during montage.
@@ashleygoggs5679 It is very good. It was just bad timing as hours within publishing the video Russia finally managed to destroy a HIMARS. Actually 2 hours ago they managed to destroy their second so its either really good luck or Russian tactics are finally improving.
@@jonronaldflores3007 Putin was stopped dead in his tracks by the wildly successful Ukrainian counteroffensive. The latest Ukrainian victory was in Aviidka where the Ukrainian Army destroyed the Russians and ran away out of sheer pity.
Lie of omission N1 Himars Need a system of guiding with out its blind and cant shoot Smerch can shoot as an artillery (btw it is an rocket artillery so in aim department it is lacking) Lie of omission N2 Himars are faster to reload true but needs daily militance if you add it to time that it dose not operate Smerch is better as it have more on operating time. Lie number 3 i have seen how Smerch are reloaded by hand it takes longer but possible Himars on other hand is not the case. Lie N4 Smerch and Tornado are different machines not different rockets systems or machines. Also Smertch reload is 16 min by crane tho people from front say they can do it in 8 if scared. And Lie of omission N5 Smerch is rocket artillery it is meant to be used in a burst of fire not for precision but making grids on map void of life , Himars is an Missal launch system for precision strikes to cut of parts or kill stuff on small pockets. They are totally different beasts
You forgot the logistics supply delivery system between them. The Russians ship their rockets in wooden or metal single use containers for the individual rocket. The rockets have to be unpacked and stored in a pile.
@@Devbro88 Not really, because of all corruption in the military. Their ammo is either stored in wooden boxes or in metal sealed containers. They have an oversize can opener, snips and hammer to open their AK ammo boxes.
Both sides completely fill their citizen's ears with propaganda and it's not uncommon it's exactly what a government should do to keep the spirit of their taxpayers alive LOL the first casualty of war is the truth and they've been doing it since the Roman times
@@CD-lp3fhHe won't because the video Russia provided for evidence is so pathetic. No person with a brain could believe or know they are HIMARS. Also the video shows the "HIMARS trucks" being side by side in the open. 4 of them. Like seriously you want us to believe Ukraine left 4 HIMARS launchers out in the open parked nicely for you guys to destroy? All of these claims are literally just extremely blurry footage of other unidentified vehicles. *IF Russia did manage to destroy one, they would have crystal clear footage and would promote it all over the internet*
Why comparing HIMARS to Smerch while Tornado-S and Tornado-G with comparable precision and greater range are getting fielded by Russians right now? Maybe because one just obliterated HIMARS a few days ago, lol (there is a recon drone footage from 5.03,19.25 on new_militarycolumnist TG channel). The comparison would indeed have been accurate in 2022 though.
There has been ONE HIMARS destroyed, just a few days ago, sadly. It suffered a mechanical failure so was stuck in the open with an engineering vehicle trying to fix it when it was hit.
Hahaha, just in the last week 3 HIMARS were destroyed. And the Smerch is an OLD system, not comparable with HIMARS. Russia's equivalent MLRS is the Tornado-S and when you want to compare ATACMS to an eqaivalent its the Iskander-M, which outclasses the ATACMS in Range, just like the Tornado-S also has a better range than HIMARS. Your research SUCKS.
сравнил жопу с пальцем) Тактический ракетный комплекс со всем спектром залповых систем и вовсе не упомянул что Украина тоже использует и ураганы и грады и теряет их так же в приличных количествах.
4:23 Wow the video is six days old and this part has now been wrong for three days. This isn't a knock on the video or the authors, just a funny coincidence. Especially considering that one high definition video of HIMARS being "smoked" by Russia could actually be a Tornado-S missile (the 4:15 statement)
About the reloading, we have seen footage from occupied Ukraine where two soldiers push in new missiles from the back. There is no service vehicle or crane involved in the videos going around.
Pretty bad video. Forgets to mention a lot of things, and doesn't bring a fair and objective comparison. Ex; He says GLONASS is bad.... but doesn't provide data why, maybe it was worse, at launch, a decade ago, but now...... It's just an assumption, without a source.
So no one's talking about the huge difference in cost between the two systems? Y'all are never getting subsidised healthcare in the US, are you?! :D :D
@@JeZZGro We can see that Russia is struggling to deal with Ukraine, a country without a modern airforce, no navy, and a fairly dated army. It's almost sad watching the Black Sea fleet get destroyed by a country with no navy.
Why do artillery rockets still have a circular cross-section? If the cross-section were hexagonal, then that would not only be a stealth measure, but the rockets would also be carried in a honeycomb shape in the launch container, which saves space.
Unguided rockets are spin stabilised, a circular shape makes it easier. Also cheaper and easier to produce, easier to handle, and stealth is irrelevant against a rocket barrage.
Jamming is one thing. But stop lagging by some 10 years, thinking that Russians can't track movements of HIMARS and other priority targets. They destroyed one recently 40km away from the front line.
Hilarious how america thinks all their 80's tech is better than Russia's "made in battle" hardened 20's tech that is generations of ahead of anything american, america still uses the tomahawk while Russia has hypersonic missiles with counter measures.
well if you concider two salvos of 24 rockets then you have arround 30 minutes of reload plus driving time to the supply point and back with smerch and with himars 15 minutes for reloading but driving time times three...
As EW increases on all spectrum. GPS is becoming really hard to utilize. This why these systems are becoming AI powered standalone. You make hires pictures with satellites. Load it in the navigation system. And it becomes a visual based feedback system.
Himars has produced very low casualties do to it low usage because of highly controlled missile supply to Ukraine and the fact not many launchers were sent. Yes himars has targeted high concentrations of Russians multiple times but it still way below the threshold of relevance
Сравнивать системы разработанные с разрывом по времени в 30 лет как то не совсем корректно. Говорить о точности тоже глупо, пока Россия не израсходует весь запас неуправляемых ракет. Про потери машин тоже не корректно, они стоят на вооружении обоих армий. Про целеуказание, это воще песня. Координаты целей ВСУ получают с американских спутников. По сути американцы ведут войну, а функция украинцев, только подъехать в заданный район и нажать кнопку "пуск". Да и зачем американцы помогают нацистам?
