COMPLETE Summoner Job Breakdown from DAWNTRAIL Media Tour! 

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I hope Yoshi sees this

i mean summoner is ment to be the beginners job that was the whole point of its previous rework

@@Volfur2251 Yes, let's encourage players to use the simplest job in the game, in a game where the main criticism from new players is how slow combat is at low levels.

@@Rill_1 unironically SMN is the best caster DPS at low levels tho, you have a real rotation that aligns with your max level rotation. meanwhile BLM is a mess at low levels and RDM is just boring (not enough mana at low levels)

@@Rill_1 Not everyone feels the same way. I have someone in my FC who only played healer the entire time for years on this game. They only just now dabbled with dps and were just completely overwhelmed and lost on what to do, even with trying to find guides. Summoner was the one they clung on to because it is very simple to get the hang of compared to the complexity of other jobs. You might be a little more experienced, but trust me, there are players out there who find a comfort area in the game and will be thankful a job like summoner exists so they can potentially join everyone else in doing content without holding them back.

@rickmel09And when it is broke?

Upon being summoned, "Let the rrrrevels... begin!" Upon using Enkindle, "REJOIIICE!" Upon leaving, "What a memorable dance indeed!"

I have a feeling that they are gonna do something like that for the 8.0 expansion, since they've already said that they are gonna really explore each jobs fantasy then. One can only hope...

this is what I was imagining, like almost exactly. Increase your gauge to six gems. Maybe choose when to bring out Phoenix vs bahamut

@@williamsampson306 I feel like a lot of people had similar conclusions as it was the most logical next step. I'm honestly shocked at how little attention they gave to SMN.

@@williamsampson306 They're trying to keep it simple, so anyone dreaming they will let you choose from an open ended selection are likely to continue being disappointed. ESPECIALLY Phoenix vs Bahamut, since right now they share a button. On the other hand, having every other gem set be Ramuh/Leviathan/Shiva could be done, and rather easily if they just made them reskins of Titan/Garuda/Ifrit.

Agreed. Instead of other Summons, they wasted their time arguing if they should keep Rez 😂 and went like oopps it almost DT. Nevermind.

I agree on that. I like having a third big summon, but it could’ve something different, not a renamed bahamut.

Speak for yourself mate.

i mean they did say they weren't gonna add or change anything with summoner till 8.0.. but i assume people once again choose to ignore that information that was given out.. Anyone expecting more deserve to be disappointed

@@Volfur2251If they said that, then it was recently, not a long time ago, so people are right to feel disappointed.

Personally glad they didn't, I like regular Bahamut's design way more :/ Would have been better if they just made the third something an actually new summon rather than a variant of one we already have.

I'm in the same boat. I didn't like old summoner, and I felt like new summoner was laying the groundwork for a cool new take going forward. But instead, we got this...

Same man, i gaslighted my whole FC with the prayer "Look forward to it, surely its just a foundation so they can have space for DT and give u cool shit like alexander". I feel like a dunce to have expected more then the bare minimum effort. Modders have already made so many cool summoner variants, meanwhile SE devs cant even add carbuncle recolors...

Let's start a petition and change Solarwhocaresmut to Hydaelyn Blessing! So keep the glowing wing figure but change to Hydaelyn ( fragment of her power), coming from Ew this will be making sense...so Hb, Bh, Hb, Ph...please make petition and share...I can wait for other summons now, I know they will come, just hate this Solar reskin lazy stuff.

also, know which other eikon is a light eikon and way more beloved? thats right, our boi Alex

@@leovictorsr Perfect Alexander punching something in the face is about the only thing that give me a shred of joy playing the new SMN.

@@KanaKuroko in 3 years maybe, please look forward to it

I just want Odin summon. Boy's been severely underutilized in FF14

@@JoSan3 same josan, odin is cool as hell and how they used him in FF16 makes me want more rep on him in 14

Let's start a petition and change Solarwhocaresmut to Hydaelyn Blessing! So keep the glowing wing figure but change to Hydaelyn ( fragment of her power), coming from Ew this will be making sense...so Hb, Bh, Hb, Ph...please make petition and share...I can wait for other summons now, I know they will come, just hate this Solar reskin lazy stuff.

Honestly I'm with you here. A bunch of people were mad at the rework and now they do something really strange instead of what the remainder of the community wanted.

Well, no. Cause that would be fun. That's not the devs philosophy.

@@thegallantones6353 😂😂 well said 😂😂

Buff/Debuff doesn't really work for a system where you can use them in any order. Those want to be aligned with your Bahamut/Phoenxi phase when all of the party 2 minutes aligned, and the whole point of summoner is that you can use the three in any order you need to for mechanics/optimization. You'd be fighting Optimal movement vs Buff/Debuff management and that would get very irritating. Best you could do is make 3 single target and 3 AOE, or have the astral flows be similar to the other ones rather superficially, but not super meaningfully. Realistically, you'd want the timing of the primary abilities to be the same as the original set: Instant Cast, Fast Instant Cast, and a long cast with dash, otherwise your movement is screwed up for the rest of the fight if you die at the wrong time. If I was going to do it, I'd make Ramuh the Titan equivalent, and make the astral flow weaves weak but the potency increases for each weave you don't use, so you can pop it early if the boss is about to leave, but if you save them the last one hits like a train. Maybe switch Garuda's puddle for a Shiva beam or cone. Leviathan replaces Ifrit, but I don't really want to replace Ifrit's as much as it frustrates me getting locked into melee. Not having the dash once a minute would be awful, and the alternative would be a dash out and I don't want Mandatory RDM flip to be part of the rotation. The problem is: I don't know if this is honestly needed. Sure, seeing the others would be cool and all, but I'm just making changes for the sake of changing somehting that's boring but ultimately functional.

Same... Sad times for old summoner mains.

Carbuncle provides a shield... and that's literally it besides moral support.

Next one we will get Solar Phoenix...cos SQE is lazy...

For the Egi’s it was more reaching a “full” capacity with out aether and the elements Trances bypass this by using the aether around us rather than what we can create ourselves However this is now kind of a moot point after Shadowbringers and having a more complete soul thanks to Ardbert so we actually COULD get more Egi/ elemental affinity now Like they literally wrote a perfect way for SMN to get the other 3 elemental summons of Ramuh, Shiva, and Leviathan in Shadowbringers and just went “nahhhhh”

lore does not matter, since EW they dont give a fck anymore. MCH having a mecha, never explained. SMN summoning phoenix, the incarnation of the dead hero who saved the world by turning into a god? No NPC cares!

Solar>Bahamut>Solar>Phoenix

because its a meme between developers (yes this is the official stated reason)

It's not even a trait, it's a work around cause the Demi's are actual characters in game that generate their own aggro. This could confuse mobs, so SE just redirect it onto the SMN.

The role actions are available regardless of level once you unlock them, but we do not know how traits affect that, since this will be the first time they introduce traits that affect the role actions as far as I know.

My guess is that the traits will only affect you if you're at or above the level they unlock. I wonder if anyone at the media tour tested it out in the dungeon.

Normal Bahamut and Phoenix also say this currently in game. It's why we get a bunch of mobs instantly trying to murder us on trash pulls if the tank hasn't gotten FULL aggro on every mob in the pack. (count to 5, stay alive :P )

It's just a hold over from the pet system they gutted with the rework. Our summons aren't just fancy spell effects (even though they might as well be), they're actual characters as far as the game's concerned. As such, any damage they do generates enmity. But since they're untargettable, that enmity does nothing but confuse mobs, so SE's solution is to just shunt the enmity onto the SMN.

@Ryukai-san but why, why get even more aggro haha. Doing smn opener on dungeon mobs often almost gets me killed 💀 At least re-add back anti-aggro abilities

I think that's just to clarify for newer players that summoning bahamut/phoenix/solar bahamut will start combat even though it does no direct damage

@witchsniffer5764 oh I see, like 2.0 BRD songs

considering we've been dragging Louisouix's corpse around for a few years despite him explicitly telling us not to.... sure? why not....

It IS Demi Hydaelyn. Why do you think you get a skill called Exodus and all that sword motif. But summoning Hydaelyn in the middle of the ARR maps might be seen as risking spoilers I bet so they did that instead.

@@Mordy. They dont give a fck about lore tho. Louisouix summon was never explained ( or reacted to by his relatives ). MCH went from gunsmith to designing robots without any quest to explain it. After SHB, the dev team got lazy

@@ich3730 I wasn't talking about lore though but about possible story spoilers. As for Lore of summoning Phoenix, it's about the same explanation why we can summon Bahamut isn't it?

@@Mordy. There is no explanation. You just get the skill while questing through SHB.

Well, you're looking at at least 12 animations (intro hit, Gemshine, Precious Brilliance, Astral Flow), plus lower versions possibly, PLUS your other skills and new capstone. If they do, I personally would prefer they just be 1:1 reskins, maybe with some potency changes. Not brand new skills. Having my instant cast, slow cast, and dash timings completely different for a part on the fight after my tank didn't stack and reset my rotation would irritate me a lot more than not having cooler animations.

@rickmel09 But Ifrit/Garuda/Titan don't use the animations of their respective boss fights. They use new animations themed after the old ones, not the ones from their original fights. What you're saying is that you want them do a half-assed job with visuals that are literally ten years old.

@rickmel09 Precious Brilliance is three color coded orbs connected with a triangle with a corresponding elemental effect summoned between them. Titan's gemshine is a smacking them with a crystal not found in the Titan, and his Astral Flow crushes things between two Mountain Busters Ifrit and Garuda's attacks are more visually complex than their originals even if they have similar themes, and Ifrit, as far as I'm remembering, doesn't even have a floating fireball like his Ruby Rite; he has a flame breath tank cleave cone and two ground pillars. These are new animations, not recycled

​@rickmel09 From what I heard, that got delayed due to Covid.

@@kevinskinner4986 So why can modders release SMN animation replacements like skittles, while SE barely whips up 2 new buttons? Genuinly asking, is there some tech reason why nerds in a basement can do better then the game devs?

💯 agreed. Nobody asked for another Bahamut skin....

And for the next expansion we will get solar phoenix

Bro they JUST reworked it. Relax. Summoner is already really good in raids

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​@@yvonneflop2471no. It still does and its pretty strong, and with the new 1600 potency on solar SMN will be on a really good spot. Maybe try raiding sometime

Alexander's a visibility hazard. Needs to be something that flies; the murder roomba flush to the ground will cover floor mechanics.

@@kevinskinner4986 Modders have done that idea for years now and its not that hard to design in a way that doesnt obstruct mechanics.

Solar->Baha->Solar->Phoenix->Solar->Baha->etc., so now we have a 4 minute rotation.

This is maybe a bit _too_ much "stability". The job got an extra oGCD, an AoE heal every 2 minutes, and literally everything else is just passive potency and graphical updates. And Solar Bahamut looks goofy as hell, imo.

some people like that it's simple. if you liked summoner up til now, these changes are unlikely to change your mind.

I am summoner main since 2.3 and always will be.

I feel you buddy cuz big same. Looking at picto now...

Exactly. It's ludicrous and lazy.

It's the same CD as you have before, and it will be every buff window. 0s opener Solar -> 1m Bahamut -> 2m Solar -> 3m phoenix -> 4m Solar

@KanaKuroko Okay, that's where I was confused. I thought they just tacked solar Bahamut on the end, so it would be Bahamut, Phoenix, solar bahamut.

@rickmel09 Well it's not like there aren't a bunch already. :D

True potency 1400 x) don't forget that the summoner still suffers from the old egi coefficient...

Alexander is the one primal I do not want. It would have taken the devs about 30 seconds to realize it was a visibility hazard because it's a big murder roomba that's flush to the ground and will sit on top of every mechanic or safespot that can be easily seen beneath the flying summons. Likewise, Odin's horse will likely get in the way too. Needs to be something relatively thin and flying. I'd have gone Valefor, Eden Prime, or Ark.

Feel the exact same way, SHB Summoner was peak imo.

SHB was the most enjoyable SMN for me. I was gutted when the rework happened and it completely destroyed what used to be a rewarding job.

Honestly that might be the way to get it changed. Iirc, the reason they changed old SMN was because not enough people played it.

After looking over the changes, I almost wish Bahamut was just flat upgraded to Solar Bahamut. Now the full rotation takes 4 minutes, and we're pretty unlikely to even complete it in a lot of trial or normal raid duties. On top of that, aside from being forced to summon Demi-Bahamut, there's just generally no benefit to summoning it at all (heck, even in ew, Demi-Phoenix could dish out more dmg than Baha, so if you happened to die and res in a way that aligned Phoenix with Searing Light, you were almost given a benefit). This would've been a great way to push standard Bahamut's dmg and importance back up.

SE has been out of ideas for a long time. Summoner has been the coilmage since Heavensward, and they've beaten that horse for so long its now a boss in PotD. What I wouldn't give to have a single person on the dev team with a shred of passion for this job. It deserved better.

Any SAM player could have told you they don't listen to feedback.

@@irishgoblin95 any player paying attention knows they do. Just because it's not your feedback they act on does not mean they don't listen.

​@@irishgoblin95yeah between SMN and SAM it's become obvious they don't really listen to common feedback

@@Elidan1012 i mean, they might be listening, but we dont see them acting