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Confabulation: When Lying isn't Lying 

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There are situations where it may seem like someone is lying to us, but it may be something else entirely! In this video, we talk about confabulation, how we all do it, and how it can be a big challenge for people with developmental disabilities such FASD.
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Bibliography:
Confabulation (Thoughts): • Confabulation (Thoughts)
“Trying Differently Rather Than Harder” by Diane Malbin
Confabulation: • Confabulation

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@terriephillips2294
@terriephillips2294 Год назад
My 88 year old mom has frontotemporal dementia. About a year ago she started what I would call confabulation. One or two truths would be thrown in with a long complicated story. Usually they were sad or depressing. But within months her stories became so off the wall and wild that I live in fear of loved ones coming to visit!! Recently she entertained her new doctors staff with tells of her learning to drive at the Brick Yard, setting time records that made Richard Petty tip his hat at her! She facinated the nurses with tales of the year the track was built and the company that layed the brick. She even recalled the names of the builders children who accompanied him when they weren't in school! She goes into minute detail, leaves nothing out. The next story can be about dear friends who we've known for 50 years who chained their children in closets at night, locked the kids outside all day, how it broke her heart to watch them eat worms and grass to stay alive. You never know what shes going to say. She has severely hurt several loved ones so far, what she told had zero truth to it but those loved ones have been destroyed. Not to mention how she can gut me and my family. Those loved one she hurt cant imagine what i hear as I am her full time, unpaid caregiver. I am her daughter and Ive had my heart ripped out and handed back to me many times. I love her and I know it isnt her talking but it has almost ruined my life at times. She was a wonderful and fun mother when we were kids. She also suffered a severe brain injury from a bad wreck in the 70s. So I feel its not just the dementia causing this heartbreaking symptom. All you can do is try to redirect the story or interrupt by adding light hearted funny things to make her laugh. No one knows how hard us caregivers work, especially when no one really sees us, the physical and emotional turmoil that is our life.
@laurah.160
@laurah.160 Год назад
I totally understand. I have just diagnosed my mom with this. She went on a campaign of terror when I started putting boundaries in place; I couldn't trust her anymore. 😊
@NeKisha_in_Maine
@NeKisha_in_Maine 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for sharing. We had an older gentleman we basically took in as family. He was here for every holiday, birthday, and event. He started making up crazy stories. He told us he was buried alive twice, he was a lobsterman, sheriff and mayor of a small town, he tried to get my son fired by saying he was a deviant, he said we stole from him and lastly...he competed against Arbold Schwarzenegger in body building although he is about 5 ft tall. Unfortunately, we cannot have him near our children anymore.
@joannemosley3433
@joannemosley3433 4 месяца назад
I understand my Dear. May God bless you and mother. I
@joannemosley3433
@joannemosley3433 4 месяца назад
I understand my Dear. May God bless you and mother. I
@karannixon3711
@karannixon3711 6 лет назад
I don’t know if my mother drank alcohol when she was pregnant. My brother and I both have mental health issues. I’m 66 and he is 70. I’m not sure if the general public knew back in those days about the effects that drinking alcohol has on the unborn child. Both of my parents were alcoholics, mostly my dad when I was young, but my mom did drink also. Later on, she did develop full-blown alcoholism. When I was young I used to fabricate stories. I did this as a pre-teen, teenager, and young adult. There was no reason for me to be telling false stories. I just did it! Finally, when I was a young adult I read the book, 'It Will Never Happen to Me!' Children of Alcoholics: As Youngsters - Adolescents - Adults. When I read the book I started crying, especially about my lying. I would fabricate and lie even when there was not any reason to do so. This video is very informative to me and I’m glad my friend posted it.
@cogsupports
@cogsupports 6 лет назад
I am glad you found us, Karan!
@ShanteRoxxane
@ShanteRoxxane 6 лет назад
Developmental disorders are also linked to having an older dad when you were born. It's due to mutations in sperm that happen with older men. So if you're dad was over 40 when you were born that may have contributed.
@karannixon3711
@karannixon3711 6 лет назад
He was not older.
@digitaldecoy2072
@digitaldecoy2072 4 года назад
Sometimes confabulation is an a defense mechanism. If you've ever whitenessed angry adults interrogate a child about why the kid did what they did... or the adult insists that a child provide details about a situation after telling the adult that they don't know what happened... When a child is dealing with an adult who's unwilling or simply unable to help the child retrace his steps or stay calm enough recollect anything they panic and make stuff up to get the scary adult out of their face. Let's be real, sometimes kids aren't paying attention... Actually, often, unless taught, kids aren't paying attention to a situation that escalates out of control and that's usually why it got out of control. Just saying... The messed up part of this is that is becomes an ingrained behavior because a fair number of these kids realize that it's easier to lie to an adult... It's also more effective. As a kid this used to blow my mind because I was unrelentingly honest until I learned that I was expected to lie sometimes... and I'd watch my friends get away with crazy things and they would look at me like I was crazy when I questioned them about the story they just handed the adult. Now, as someone who works with kids, I see the fear of consequences and "scary" adults as a primer for habitual lying. Habitual lying may or may not always be the same thing as confabulation, but let's remember that most people are unaware of their habits...
@cogsupports
@cogsupports 4 года назад
You're absolutely right! I am very interested in the situations that would lead to confabulation, and finding a way to get more research done on it. To me, it makes sense that confabulation (in the pure sense of the term) is more likely to happen when the brain can't find information. When is that? During stress, during sensory dysregulation, during traumatic memories, and on and on and on. You are absolutely right about "habitual" lying, especially when a foundation was laid through needing to adapt. I would generally describe this as "impulsive" lying, because it happens in the context of the interaction, right away. Situations outside of that (e.g. a kiddo frantically trying to come up with a story while waiting for an angry parent to join them in their room) are definitely more complex, but I will generally bring things back to overall executive functioning of the particular child and the stress of the moment that is making them (with still an element of impulsivity and terror) come up with a lie. There is usually so much more to the story than "Ryan is just a dishonest kid", and those are the kids I am often advocating for.
@ZeRo-yc7zf
@ZeRo-yc7zf 2 года назад
Our culture is just interesting. When we make a mistake, it can’t be left at just that. Someone needs to be punished and it has to be done with emotion so we could condition people into thinking and acting how we want. And forgiveness is something that must be earned and not something you can grant yourself. The highest priority in any faulty situation is finding out who’s fault is. It only takes a bit of critical thinking to find out why we have so many people with mental problems like these
@janellmeads1399
@janellmeads1399 3 года назад
I'm glad I am learning this word. I feel like my mother has dementia or just lying against me especially. She rewrites history constantly yet, she never is to blame.
@foxiefair123
@foxiefair123 Год назад
Yeah, my mom does that. She loves to tell stories, and when she can’t remember the story she just makes the rest up, which usually ends up throwing me under the bus.😂
@kberken
@kberken 6 лет назад
I think this explains the so- called Mandela Effect.
@foxiefair123
@foxiefair123 Год назад
Yes, the Gen Xer’s Senior Moment.😂
@aunabreslingaming3279
@aunabreslingaming3279 11 месяцев назад
Half way this and something else
@jeiztakosif
@jeiztakosif Год назад
I watched this after seeing similarities between my mother who has had stroke and another person who I know. Both will fill in the blanks with false information when needed. They also both hate being wrong or being accused of lying.
@Haze1434
@Haze1434 3 года назад
Thank you. My wife has epilepsy and often confabulates. After researching about it, including this video, I have a better understanding that it's probably less likely to be Gaslighting or Lying, and more likely to be epilepsy induced confabulations. It's never anything large, just little silly things like the colour of something or whether I said a certain thing when I didn't. I will keep this in mind, in future, should she start saying things I know to be untrue.
@andreacarlson2329
@andreacarlson2329 6 лет назад
I loved this! I work with so many children and youth that need support with this, and your videos are perfect for parents and caregivers. I will definitely be checking out the podcast and sending it to the families I'm supporting.
@persephonepapatheodosiou6992
@persephonepapatheodosiou6992 6 лет назад
Thank please do another video on confabulation
@candicane1
@candicane1 Год назад
My MIL has dementia. This makes so much sense.
@annyurcek3887
@annyurcek3887 6 лет назад
Add in in FASD they often rely on visual memory and they can struggle to see themselves in the picture and that requires insight and cause and effect thinking. They often cannot remember anything they did themselves. Think they are the camera operator and they are not in the DVD taped memory.
@danielisbroke
@danielisbroke 3 года назад
I'd love to hear more on this especially in schizophrenia
@haberdashery148
@haberdashery148 2 года назад
Had never heard of this before until I researched something about a murder in the UK. I don't understand why a neighbour to a killer was jailed for 5 months for wasting police time when he really believed to have seen the victim leaving the house. He had no reason to lie (Paul Meehan in the Tia Sharp case). I mean: then I would never wish to give evidence for anything at any time risking to get a sentence for "lying".
@cogsupports
@cogsupports 2 года назад
There is a growing concern in the neuroscience/law communities about the accuracy of witness statements. It's absolutely a problem due to phenomena like confabulation!
@cherylwade264
@cherylwade264 2 года назад
Children and adults add and remove portions of stories either to shorten or embellish for drama or humor but the core occurrence remains the same. In contrast confabulation leads you to think, that didn't happen like that from what I remember.
@betterhealthnutritionfitness
@betterhealthnutritionfitness 3 года назад
Amazing content.
@lballew2965
@lballew2965 Год назад
Thank you for this content!
@sarahmckrola6954
@sarahmckrola6954 6 лет назад
This is a great video, but can you explain what to do when this is happening? How should I react when I feel like my foster kiddos aren't telling me the truth?
@bettybettyb1
@bettybettyb1 4 года назад
Stategies, please
@luarnaduncan4000
@luarnaduncan4000 Год назад
This was sooooooo good. Thank you
@chiefnavydoc
@chiefnavydoc 5 лет назад
Not sure how this help me when my kiddo tells me, they've done their homework. I ask to see it, and then I hear, "Oh yeah. That's right. The computer didnt save it..." or... When they're asked to do a chore, they reply "Yes, I did it," and you verify it wasn't done, they reply, "Wait. I thought I did it," Is that lying or confabulation?
@ashdingler1
@ashdingler1 3 года назад
I feel like confabulation is generally for longer term memory. Not for recalling something that happened that same day. Not sure though.
@janellmeads1399
@janellmeads1399 3 года назад
Once you dad died my mother rewrote everything but not before souring my mind against her so now I am resistant . Block & stop ✋untrue thing's she wore me out mentally with bullshit now she wanna pretend she a sweetheart. You don't get a chance to criticize after all the complaining it distanced me I don't want to be bothered! She ruined it.
@timothymurphy6018
@timothymurphy6018 Год назад
Question: How might schools and school staff handle students who confabulate if the false memories are in regard to behavioral incidents that may require disciplinary consequences?
@cogsupports
@cogsupports Год назад
Hi Timothy. This is a tough question to answer in a comment as it goes back to many fundamental problems with the systems which are in place. While every situation is different, the question we should be asking is "why are disciplinary consequences required?" Regardless of confabulation, do punishments work for the student with an FASD? Probably not. So when confabulation is a part of it, there are likely many negative consequences to punishing the person if they do not think they did anything wrong (or do not agree with what is said about them). The school system not considering things like this is a big problem, which is one of the reasons why the systems need to fundamentally change how they interpret "challenging behaviors" and their responses to it.
@asiyah_rose940
@asiyah_rose940 3 года назад
Thank you so much!
@everettduncan7543
@everettduncan7543 4 года назад
I've heard this happens in dementia
@cogsupports
@cogsupports 4 года назад
Yes. Much of the literature on this subject is in dementia contexts.
@everettduncan7543
@everettduncan7543 4 года назад
@@cogsupports mostly because I've seen it in both Trump's and Biden's behavior
@mr.makedonija2627
@mr.makedonija2627 2 года назад
@@everettduncan7543 shut up. Leave Trump alone
@user-se8sp9ke7h
@user-se8sp9ke7h 11 месяцев назад
The way to solve this is to use video or strory telling as a way to gain evidence of what really happened
@cogsupports
@cogsupports 11 месяцев назад
Maybe! It depends on what you mean by "solve" and how practical recording certain moments is for a supporter. Many kids get dysregulated--even when presented with video evidence--because the interplaying issues here go very deep. It's not about helping them "fix" their perception in many cases.
@thirstyboots6711
@thirstyboots6711 Год назад
Could you cover confabulation & manipulation?
@FosteringAwareness
@FosteringAwareness 3 года назад
So how does confabulation work in terms of short term vs. long term memory. For example, my FASD may do something 5 minutes earlier, and when we ask for a "why did you do that", his breakdown of events doesn't match with what happened... I can see the struggle for him to recall the event, but, I can also see him trying to "recall" it in a way that makes him less responsible for the event... So my question is where does confabulation fit in in terms of length of time from the memory that actually happened... If that makes sense...
@cogsupports
@cogsupports 3 года назад
Hi Anthony, the answer is that...it's very complicated. Firstly, it makes sense that your interpretation would be that he is trying to be "less responsible" for the event, though that does not mean it is intentional. When things move quickly for the brain and something happens, the perspective of the person is often that it wasn't them. Confabulation may or may not play a role, depending on the situation. That being said, this completely makes sense when we think of working memory deficits in people with FASD's in particular--"short term" memory should be expected to struggle, and so the supporters in the situation must be prepared to adjust their expectations and have a response ready that maintains connection and does not create stress. One suggestion would be don't ask the kiddo to give you an explanation in the moment, especially if it is regarding a behavior. Even if confabulation is not involved, a lack of safety creates unsafe neuroception, which immediately impairs Executive Functioning. When EF goes down, impulsivity goes up and the person is not really able to think through things clearly.
@FosteringAwareness
@FosteringAwareness 3 года назад
@@cogsupports alright... I see what you are saying... Gives me some things to work on on my end!!! Thank you for the quick response...
@elizabethweisman3145
@elizabethweisman3145 3 года назад
but what about when it isn't about memory? what if it is a direct question about something that is going to happen? and the person knowingly does not say what is true for fear of "a trick question"/feeling under pressure. for example "will you be bringing anyone with you to spend the night?" and the person says "no" when in fact the answer should have been "yes". there was no intent to harm but harm did occur. there was awareness in the moment. can you speak to this type of situation (the piece you discuss about memory is a constant but i don't know what to do with something like this that is not about memory. is it appropriate to outline to the person what is perceived as a lie in the world? because this is doing a great deal of damage to multiple relationships and ruining this person's life. is there room for learning about what constitutes a lie in others' eyes and practicing not doing it?
@ahmadshakereldsouky626
@ahmadshakereldsouky626 3 года назад
I have 2 friends have confabulation One is type 1 DM The other looks normal but horrible in confabulation 🥸. Is there any treatment for her case!??
@Vincesilverbeard
@Vincesilverbeard 2 года назад
Hello. I'm getting worried about my girlfriend. i saw her doing things in a regular life context and when we talk about what she did she told me story which factual differences. She also don't remember things she does when people around her saw her doing those things. For now it is never important or dangerous things but she is always sure about her story. At the same time, she has a distortion of the smell. I don't know if it can be link. I don't even know if she could have a real memory problem... If someone can help in here. It would be appreciated. Thank you.
@cogsupports
@cogsupports 2 года назад
Hi there. If you are worried, it may be worth talking to her about seeing a mental health professional about her memory. It sounds like she tells the truth as she remembers it, so if it is "inaccurate" it is important to work that out with her and come up with proactive ways to talk about it (if the memory differences ever create a problem).
@Vincesilverbeard
@Vincesilverbeard 2 года назад
@@cogsupports thank you. I gonna work on it
@tugger
@tugger 2 года назад
Trisha paytas needs to see this video
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