My man Tassadar was willing to surrender to cease the civil war between his brethren, but wasn't shy of defying and outright shutting up Aldaris to deliver what he believed was important for them all. Such chad of a Protoss he was.
This is why many Firstborn thought of him as Adun reincarnated, it's the reason why his forces never willingly gave him up to the Judicators, he had a specific faction following that ware extremely loyal to him. Even the Templar that weren't under his command adored Tassadar. It's also no secret that most Templar and Khalai weren't fond of the Judicators. Everyone hates politicians. Adun defied the Conclave as much as he liked too so long as it was for the good of Auir, now he's celebrated by the entire race.
Aldaris in the Executor Narl Universe: Consulting with the fallen one is NOT Heresy ! Aldaris we known: Consulting with the fallen one is Heresy ! Legend said that till there end they still debate about this
It's consorting which means 'to associate with someone' , 'to conspire with'. The cambridge dictionary define consort as: "to spend a lot of time in the company of a particular group of people, especially people whose character is not approved of"
I remember a quote from a novel, where Raynow was travelling alongside Tassadar, Zeratul and forces of the 3 parties on Char... where Raynor, upon being witness to that chat, realised that Tassadar was loyal to his people, even if it meant tarnishing his own name and becoming an outcast. And quite a few times raynor realised Tassadar's warriors would have mudered all the dark templars if they didn't respect Tassadar this goddamn much
Tassadar and Zeratul actually fought each other in a novel but because they're so low in numbers and no ships to use off-planet, they banded together to survive. That's how Raynor, Tassadar, and Zeratul got acquainted until they were rescued by their respective races. As a twist, Zeratul already has a ship, the Void Seeker, at the ready all this time, but kept it secret for him to understand the Aiur Protoss and the Terrans personally if they are worthy to be allies - and he was right.
Also in the books the dark templars aren't permanently invisible, even Zeratul who is far more skilled in the arts of the Dark templars.. and overall, zealots and dark templars are presented as evenly matched, to the point their fight looks almost like a dance to Raynor. Also, Tassadar did have a counter to dark templars using the shadows to conceal themselves: to create so much psionic light that there is no more shadow for them to be concealed in. Only Zeratul was powerful enough to counter that trick (it was when tassadar subjected himself to a dark templar tradition... somethign basically unthinkable for the templars, also meaning he was now initiated in both the paths of the templars AND dark templars, a first as dark templars chose to cast off the teachings of the templars entirely, aside from that sense of discipline.. tassadar was first to embrace both paths. And meanwhile Raynor was just sitting there, witnessing it all, proving his boys that the big spooky aliens arent so bad after all since he was clearly spending so much time around them)
Elderly Person: "Oh no I've fallen and I can't get up!" Life Alert: "Don't worry ma'am! We'll be right there t-" Aldaris: "CONSORTING WITH THE FALLEN ONES IS HERESY"
EXECUTOR! *PURIFY?!?* TASSADAR HAS FAILED US! *FAILED!* HE HAS CONSORTED WITH THE FALLEN ONES! *DARK!* YOU MUST NOT! *REFERENCE!* MAKE HIM REPENT! *REPEEEEEEENT!*
After the briefing Tassadar: I think I missed something.. Oh, I forgot to tell them that we can't kill celebrate without dark templars! Aldaris will be mad about this but.. never mind!
First time I played i agreed with Aldaris - Tassadar had lied and because of that Fenix died. I was pissed when the Executor went with him back to Char
I mean, he almost threw Tassy out just for saying he traded notes with the dark templar. Imagine his reaction to the idea that you specifically need those same heretics to kill a cerebrate.
@@mattmorehouse9685 It still doesn't really make sense for him to completely exclude that part and let them try killing the Cerebrate without that vital information.
I’m assuming that at the time, Tassadar didn’t knew the cerebrates HAD to be killed by Dark Templars (well, void energy) and assumed that everything could kill them and that’s why he said to the others «Hey, try to destroy the cerebrates, that should totally work ! »
Tassadar and Zeratul had already killed Zasz by this point but I'm guessing that Tassadar didn't fully trust Zeratul and hoped that the weapons and powers that the Protoss on Aiur had could possibly kill cerebrates. He should've explained when Aldaris told him that his advice was useless "I'll admit that when I told you to kill the cerebrates, I didn't fully trust Zeratul and had hoped that the weapons and powers we already wield would be enough to destroy the cerebrates permanently. Also, I wished to avoid potentially triggering a civil war on Aiur by having the Dark Templar set foot there as I knew that many would be enraged by their presence and would do something rash.". to explain why he gave that advice in the first place.
@@girlgarde Also a possibility is the *none* of them realized that it had to be a Dark Templar yet; Zeratul had killed Zasz, but for all we know, he was just the first one to land a killing blow, and it stuck. It's really not clear at this point whether he knew or not.
The "Queen of Blades" novel (which shouldn't be treated as all canon but bits of it should be, as Matt Horner appeared in it before Starcraft 2) shows Tassadar and Zeratul combining their powers to project into this conversation. The moment Tassadar "hung up", Zeratul added the afterthought that only dark templar could kill cerebrates.
*Aldaris interrupted Tassadar Tassadar be like: "Shut the F up, don't u shit on my dark homies and right now I'm explaining the way how to defeat our enemies." Anyway, what stopping him from mentioning the super important part that they need void energy to kill cerebrates permanently? Always make me wonder.
He didn't know that ONLY the Dark Templar could kill the cerebrates. Remember, this was back when games didn't have their characters read the script and know things they shouldn't. Like how Arcturus Mengsk thought the Zerg were a Confederate bio-weapon because he had NO reason to believe otherwise. Nowadays characters can't be withheld information that we know :(
At that point, he had no idea that the Cerebrates need to be killed using Void Energies. Even Zeratul had no idea, the Dark Templar's intel ended at the Cerebrates controlling the Swarm and that's it. Zeratul basically struck at Zasz out of whimsy and realized that he could actually kill the Cerebrate unlike the Khalai. Zeratul was like, "Huh, they couldn't kill it. It seems to be using Void Energies, so i guess i'll give it a go. See if we have different results. Oh shit it's dying! Neat."
@@B.Scruby Zasz was killed during the zerg campaign. So Zeratul killed him before this conversation happened. Since Zeratul was the first to kill a celebrate they didn't realize that you needed to use void energy to kill a cerebrate. Iirc Tasadar explains that he didn't know that it was necessary in either the next mission or the one after.
IIRC, in the novelization (Queen of Blades) Tassadar only learnt that the DTs energy is required to kill the celebrate after he told the Executor to attack it.
He didn't. He had only one example of a cerebrate kill and DIDN'T know they could be ressurected. Into the Flames was what showed this tidbit. Remember this was when games didn't give the characters the entire script thus they didn't know things they by all rights SHOULDN'T know yet.
I always thought this was the cerebrate baiting the protoss out into an attack. The fallen ones influence would make sense because the DT and Zerg apparently have similar energies.
This is how you handle internal conflict Artanis. Then again he was still quite young to be put in that position of power. Just wished he put Alarak and that Rohana down a peg or two
I wish he had taken a more aggressive tone with it, but when Alarak was all "go forth my slaves!" Artanis DID tell him to remember who commanded those warriors.
@@spikem5950 if Alarak pushed his luck further, Artanis would probably summon Armads right there and whack him with it. (Artanis and Armads' wielder, Hector, share the same VA)
In these SC1 videos' comment sections, everyone keeps calling the Executor, as "Executor". We all know full well that this was Artanis. The only Executor i refuse to accept is Mega Bitch Selendis. Unless the Artanis info is a retcon everyone here refuses to accept as well?
I see no reason to not accept it, they never did explain *what* happened to Episode III's Executor so the best explanation we have is it being Artanis. It would also explain why we never saw Artanis at all in Episode III but suddenly in IV he comes up like "I am Artanis" like that name is supposed to mean something to us. Question, why do you dislike Selendis so much? I never really thought we saw enough of her for any opinions to form.
@@spikem5950 In every scene she's in she's been a contradicor to any move being made by any of the key players. The most notable she ever did in LotV was lead the Golden Armada to kill innocents under the influence of Amon AND EVEN AFTER THAT she still contradicts people who actually did something. I can tolerate Racist Rohana, because we saw character growth. But Selendis just refuses to think properly through that entire game. Her jerk reaction to seeing Zeratul, an individual who was proven to be a victim of consequence, was to arrest him. Literally EVERYONE in Shakuras had been looking for Zeratul not to arrest him, but to ask him to lead the Nerazim and no one could find him for the longest time. She was part of the Twilight Council that oversaw the creation of the Daelaam and that table agreed that finding Zeratul was paramount importance if they were gonna make the Daelaam work. He shows up after years of not being found and the bitch immediately orders to arrests him without cause? Tell me that's a smart move. If she had been the counterargument to Artanis and said "Too much preparation has been done for this Artanis, we must see this through", i would have understood, BUT all she said in that scene was "NAH BRUV, YOU'RE A LIAR! YOU DESTROYED AUIR". As if the Khalai would have found a way to kill the Overmind if Zeratul hadn't accidentally killed Zasz. Even after Kerrigan had helped Artanis in Ulduan, she still uttered the lines "THIS IS THE GREAT ENEMY'S TREACHERY!". Like bitch she's foiled more of Amons plan than you, which is probably 0, so where the fuck do you get off being all high and mighty like that as if you were someone important that did important shit? Rohana and Vorazun were great additions, in terms of female representation to the Protoss race. Selendis was not. She's the literal shoehorned strong female good guy in every movie or series who cares not about being a good contributor to the story, only that everyone knows she's strong in every scene she's in. I agree, we didn't see enough. At least i didn't see enough to change my opinion. But throughout the 3rd chapter, her refusal to think, and her adamant stand at being the devil's advocate to any character whose made more of a difference than she did is what pisses me off about her character. I'd thought that after her non-contribution to the story that she'd be humble enough to shut the fuck up, "WiThOuT tHe kHaLa wHaT wOuLd We bEcOmE? :(" Bitch fine, keep being mindcontrolled then idgaf you basically did nothing anyway. Edit: Typos
@@B.Scruby Ahh, yes, let's hate on the Protoss who was being controlled by Amon for her actions, but talk like Kerrigan is some saint. Already see where your bias is coming from. Where did you find that the Daelaam all agreed finding Zeratul was paramount? I'll remind you Vorazun herself said she'd never forgive him for what he did, and she's a MAJOR PART OF THAT TABLE. Now I'm not saying their hatred of Zeratul is justified, far from it, but from their POV they don't KNOW every nibbling little detail of what happened like we the players do, only that he slew the Nerazim's MATRIARCH. And the Overmind would not have found Aiur if Zeratul had not killed Zasz. Thus, Aiur would have never fallen and the Protoss would not have been reduced to such a state as they were at the end of Episode III. They underwent a massive genocide at their home planet. Imagine if Earth was invaded by some genodical race of parasitic bugs that killed damn near our whole population and you found out the only reason they even found our planet was because of this one dude. How would you feel about that person? I can tell you how our governments would feel, they'd want to lock him up too. He was a victim of circumstance, yes, but you have to realize these characters don't have perfect info like we do. They don't have a reliable narrator. Ahh yes, Kerrigan, the person who spent her whole campaign powering up and going to war with Mengsk, who wasn't there at the battle of Aiur, foiled more of Amon's plans than they did. Get the hell out of here. Throughout the third chapter SHE'S CONTROLLED BY AMON UNTIL THE END OF THE DAMN CAMPAIGN. Good gods you're acting like she was free and antagonizing people throughout all of Legacy. Antagonistic to all the main characters? I'll remind you her response to Raynor killing her soldiers and destroying her mothership (a MASSIVE ASSET TO THEIR FLEET AT THAT POINT MIND YOU) to "save" an INFESTED PLANET was not "this is an act of war, you've made an enemy here today!" and to build up a force to take on Raynor like it SHOULD HAVE BEEN, like it WOULD HAVE BEEN if she was even remotely behaving as a Protoss should, but to go "oh what a fun battle we had Raynor! I'm going to just totally let this go and let this infested planet near our space spread to us now. See ya!"
