In today's true crime documentary and journalistic news piece, we're covering the case of John Coltharp and Samuel Shaffer and analyzing it from an educational legal and psychological perspective.
No it doesn't. The girls were freezing yet not one of those officers thought to take off his jacket and wrap it around the girls. How many times did the officer ask the girls if they were hungry? The first time he asked them if they were hungry another officer should have been sent to get food with that info being conveyed to the girls. Asking 2 or 3 more times?! The little girl who didn't want to come out of the barrel, a) the officer was the adult, kids don't always do what is best for themelves and b) the first priority is the overall physical well being of these girls.. She should have been immediately picked up and taken to warmth. Wrap that rug thing around her or the officer's jacket, anything. just get her to warmth. Listening to these cop talking to these little girls they were clearly not completely comfortable interacting with kids and they're probably all fathers. There is a YT video of cops raiding a motel room where a man who had kidnapped a 7 yr girl was holed up with the child. The man kept her naked. A cop immediately picked her up to get her away from that situation with and a 2nd cop, maybe 10 seconds later, asked "can we get her a blanket or a towel" and covered her. They were both male cops and they not only were their priorities right, the way they were so comfortable talking to her, these are men who interact with their own kids all the time.
There’s always someone that can’t help but find a negative in such a horrible situation. SAVE YOUR NEGATIVITY FOR THE FATHER N GRANDPARENTS OF THESE CHILDREN NOT THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO THANK GOD RESCUED THE CHILDREN N ARE PROBABLY IN A STATE OF SHOCK THAT ANYONE WOULD DO SUCH A THING TO THEIR OWN CHILDREN BECAUSE THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE HUMAN.
Hearing a middle aged man talk about checking an 8 and 4 year old for a hymen is one of the most disgusting and disturbing things I’ve EVER heard. These people don’t deserve freedom, prison or even life.
@@TomboyGirlfriend Common for religious men? Are you kidding me? Only Cultists like that of the Hindu, islamists and the Mormons act like this. Outside of those cults it's incredibly rare to put that kind of attention on it, ESPECIALLY IN YOUNG CHILDREN LIKE YOU SUGGEST.
I think when they charge criminals like this they try not to stack too many charges against them in the original hearings in order to make the jury deliberation as linear and successful as possible.
She kept repeating "he doesn't want you to look at me without my pants on" even though she was fully dressed showed how much programming she was subjected to.
“How could she be pregnant, she’s only 8.” Not “How could she be pregnant, I would never touch her in that way she is a child.” That’s ALL you need to hear to know exactly what they did to those children.
Sadly there have been cases of precocious puberty and quite young children impregnated by evil people. How extremely disgusting this whole situation is.
The man saying "I'm not sworn, I'll dangle his ass out of a helicopter to make him talk" was so damn based. God, it was gut-wrenching hearing the girls telling them what had happened and saying how cold and hungry they were.
The grandmother said she'd hurt Sam and John herself if they did anything inappropriate with the girls but also said the 8-year-old girls were betrothed to the men and didn't think that statement was fucking weird.
Notice how the detective starts to rock back and forth in his chair while finding out more from Sam. This is a clear indication of an individual wanting to rip someone's face off.
@@madisonrose1576I think a few of those officers were inches from losing it. Especially officer "I'm not sworn, I'll dangle his ass out the helicopter to make him talk." I also don't blame these officers in the slightest. I know I'd be tempted, especially mid search when their loves are still at risk.
@@madisonrose1576as a regular dude with any sort of sensibilities whatsoever, I couldn't do it either. I'd be trigger happy, too. Shit is *deeply* unsettling.
@@moyaxoxo5923precisely. It was designed to give certain people control over people with poor critical thinking skills. The term ‘faith’ is synonymous with the idea of ‘don’t think too hard and just obey.’
The grandfather saying he doesn't think the kids were sexually abused and then going on to say that John and Sam were waiting for them to reach legal age to marry them.... So fucking disgusting. He absolutely knew.
The amount a 4 year old girl would have to go through to reply 'can't they just kill him?' after hearing her fathers going to prison. That was so heartbreaking. I hope these children go on to have bright futures. ❤
When he said “how can she be pregnant she’s only 8.” That gave me chills. Instantly felt sick. What a foul foul individual. He doesn’t deny the act, he just says it’s not possible because of her age…
What the heck are people commenting here are you guys supporting a pedophile? Also scientifically things that aren't said like that but implied are definitely telling and what Police use sometimes to form a hunch before doing further investigation. No it's not 100% but given the situation why are you guys defending this monster... Westlake people in these comments sections are apparently pedophile supporters what the heck
fr, the mother, Micha was just as much of a victim as the kids. She herself was still a kid when he predated on her. The younger one of them is, the less agegap is apropriate between the partners, and a man in his twenties most definitely has no business dating a teen.
My jaw is literally dropped listening to the grandparents. The little girls were betrothed to John and Sam and they didn’t suspect anything was going on because John gave them “his word” that they wouldn’t be doing anything with the girls until they were of consenting age (even though the girls SLEPT IN THE SAME ROOM with John and Sam), and the girls didn’t “say anything was wrong”, and “looked happy”. And still no RED FLAGS when Sam threatened that he would kill anyone who left the compound?? Like, SERIOUSLY?? What the actual F*ck. Wow. Just WOW. 🤦🏽♀️ The power of crazy religious cults makes you lose SERIOUS brain cells, critical thinking or common sense.
It's also so weird to assume, the girls want to marry them, once they were 18. It doesn't even occure to them, that the girls maybe don't want to marry them or they don't care.
The dude who said he’d dangle him out of a helicopter to get answers is my new hero straight up said I’ll go to jail to get these answers. All these officers and people who helped the investigation, like the man who called in the tip, are heroes.
Its time the public takes note in the culture of UTAH with all these kids used as social, entrapment, & religious PAWNS! Ruby_Franke- Jodi_Hild- Lori_Vallow- Chad_Daybell- Alex_Cox- Megahn_Huntsman- Josh_Powell too many !
To all those not paying attention to what they hear, it was THE HELICOPTER PILOT NOT (A COP)who said he'd like to DANGLE (NOT THROW) the creep out of the helicopter until he said where he'd put the girls. I fully agree with this wonderful man.
Liberal or conservative, it would be sad to say this man said something wrong. But watch an internet pussy will reply with some condescending bullshit because they got some shit to hide. Props to you!!!
@@krookiemonster2673exactly!! saying he’s not sworn in so he swore no oath to follow the same rules/beliefs so he could definitely do more to get the info out of that sicko!
@@emclovin6962even then though the cops couldn’t let him do it as the defense could say the police allowed him to be tortured and then say that his clients rights were violated and potentially get the charges dropped. I can’t imagine how officers deal with this situations where they want to do something to keep these kids safe but know that doing anything outside the law would derail the investigation
The lack of *serious* charges for the grandparents is outrageous. The children were obviously neglected. And the fact that the girls were all in dresses even in the freezing cold is very disturbing…
@@addyperez7397even the mums mum. She willingly let her underage daughter dally off with a predator like it was any normal Tuesday . All people involved are disturbed.
Exactly!!! The lack of empathy when told they were left out in freezing conditions for 24 hours or the fact that it was clearly obvious their granddaughters were being abused, these people are callous af
I can't be the only one outraged the grandparents didn't get prison sentences! They knew exactly what was going on & did NOTHING to protect those children. It's going to be a long long road of recovery for these kids & I pray they make it.
Satanic to say the least, these little ones are mentally destroyed, not to mention there inner parts, vomit, hears stand up, I'll, no faith in humanity, this is beyond psychotic
I know from having dated a woman who, after we were well involved, told me the horrors of her treatment by her step-father, these girls will survive but will never be ok. It will affect them their entire lives. No punishment is too harsh for these evil adults.
The fact that the grandfather didnt know what Sam and John considered the age of consent to be before having sex with their daughters and then assumed it would be when they hit puberty (BEFORE 18) is absolutely sickening.
"Where are the other 2 girls?" "Should I say or do I need a lawyer?" ....DOES THE LAWYER KNOW WHERE THE KIDS ARE? Some people are so stupid. Incriminating yourself no longer matters you already admitted to leaving 2 little girls in the wild, in 50 gallon drums, with a loaded rifle, in the freezing cold. I hope those kids are able to feel like kids in their lives, or even just people. This is horrible and I hope both the fathers get the pain they deserve over the next 2 and a half decades in prison.
I was raped at the age of 7 for almost 5 years. I hope this words reach those beautiful girls & it gives them the strength it gave me. “TODAY I LEARNED THAT EVERY CELL IN OUR ENTIRE BODY IS REPLACED EVERY SEVEN YEARS. HOW LOVELY IT IS TO KNOW ONE DAY I WILL HAVE A BODY YOU WILL HAVE NEVER TOUCHED “
It's GENERATIONAL SIN that's passed down from fathers to sons. These men are absolutely disgusting and EVIL. The Grandparents sound very complicit in the abuse of the children. The whole family is EVIL 😈 💀
While you would want them to, they were brainwashed and they were going with the cult leader because they believed in the cause and as they said didn't do anything wrong. As an outside looking in of course we know it's truly wrong but they can also plead reason of insanity or delusion. This really only qualifies in cases such as this where the Grandparents themselves didn't do anything and were providing all the finances and were being mislead by John and Sam. It is very rare to get this, but the grandparents clearly as the interrogations went on saw how brainwashed they were. That is how clever Cult leaders and those with anti social disorders really are.
These individuals were likely raised to think children were sexual beings, therefore don’t realize how gross it truly is. It happens often and always has.
@@lisaanndavis3289 Unfortunately not often enough. Many prisons have secure wings or cells for them because otherwise yea they get stomped out on the regular.
Through out my research of these kinds of of cases I always see pattern. The victim isnt dead. The system doesn't care unless the life was taken. Even if it's a child. It's sickening, honestly.
it's because the powers that be are also pedophiles. 20 thousand kids go missing in the US alone every year. Thats far too many to just be these circumstantial occurrences. there is a legit market for kids. It's disgusting and i hope it all gets uncovered soon.
The officer interrogating Sam is a genius and a saint. The way he managed to keep it “light” while casually asking disgusting questions and hearing horrifying answers through Sam giggling. I feel like this man is going to need counselling after this.
The fact that the CHILD asked if they could just kill the father really shows just how much it affected them. I really really hope they get better mentally and I hope they lead long, successful lives and they can put this all behind them.
@@tinglelingaling6 Time heals all wounds, they say. Whether the amount of time needed to heal exists in our lifetime... that's debatable, and questionable. For me, it's been 32 years and I haven't recovered yet.
and 9 times out of ten it's because of irresponsible owners letting their dogs around kids. humans who make the decision to harm a child get more leniency than a ransom dog who doesn't know better.
I am a rape & dv survivor. I was only 5 when my nightmare started. My uncle groomed, raped, sold, & brainwashed me. I was put through & witnessed horrific things. Hearing the babygirl say “I have no pants on!” Broke me 😭. If a human being can do this to children they shouldn’t be walking among us PERIOD!! P3D0S WILL NEVER CHANGE! I am so thankful I broke free at 11 years old. I still have trauma & will continue to heal until the day I pass away.
I’m so sorry you were put through that trauma! My heart breaks for you and any other child who is abused this way. I admire your strength. I pray for you to have peace and happiness for the rest of your days… 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I am truly so sorry to you and all the innocent victims of these types of sick and evil people. My heart ache for you, and I know I don’t know you but it truly hurts my heart to hear that anyone has to go through any of this. Life these days is so difficult even for people without this type of trauma and so I hate to think about normal everyday issues being added to those who have already suffered so much ❤️🩹Sending you and all victims virtual hugs and prayers that you are okay, and safe
😢 you're so strong and brave to share that I'm so grateful you found freedom I pray that you continue to grow as a person in this world knowing that what happened to you doesn't define you nor did it break you u are so blessed be sure to thank God for having him hand on you then and now
You aren’t just a survivor… you are a warrior! I’m so sorry you had to go thru such trauma but I’m so proud that you have fought and I hope and wish you find true happiness and love in your life. ❤❤❤
Especially with the rate of reoffense and the damage it does. This is not something that has been proven to respond to therapy intervention like a person with a DWI 3x who needs to get help for alcoholism. This is entirely different.
gotta love that everyone's justification that there couldn't possibly be rape going on is that "oh but we saw the girls smiling" its calling fucking surviving. also, what, someone gets raped and never smiles again? wow I guess 1/4th of all women should never smile then. every adult in this situation is abhorrent
Listening to this mom hyperventilate about her young daughter being married to a full grown man is so heartbreaking. She was also manipulated as a young girl too. I really really feel for her. I hope her, her children, and the other two girls are able to eventually find some peace.
I just sobbed when they found the two girls in those barrels..& thier mother, gut wrenching. She probably became to old to interest the monster. God have mercy😩
@ginnycleary-zq2pu also, the 2 little boys, they were left far from their camp and had to follow their footprints to fond their way back. They were also instructed not to have anything to do with their sisters and the other 2 girls. Who knows what else they had to endure 😢.
She did nothing to prevent it.She claims she stayed for financial reasons.She did not follow up and did not fight for custody or even harrass CPS to check on their well being.Pretending to be shocked at his CULT behavior,doesnt fly.
1:15:24 that grandfather is just sickening. The amount that they have to PULL answers out of him is insane. He seems like he knew or at least suspected what was happening
The grandparents are sickening. They knew that the whole “marriage” with literal children was wrong, but they just let it slide because they didn’t wanna believe their son was a pedophile. And they also allowed John and Micah to be together when she was 16 and he was an adult, so they hadn’t ever done anything to stop his behavior
they don't get this way in one generation. and this imbecilic moronic blind brainwashed devotion to 'family no matter what they've done' needs to be altered. family is the strongest unit, but only when they are healthy. however, evil NEEDS to be exposed and shunned. and parents are NOT doing anyone a favor by shielding their spawn and ilk.
I am one of the Coltharp’s grandkids and I just stumbled across this video. I haven’t seen my uncle in almost a decade but I see my grandparents every few months and they’ve talked about this situation before. I don’t condone my uncle’s actions at all and I think both him and Sam deserve to rot in that cell, but I’m honestly kind of surprised by the comments about my grandparents. They did do nothing to stop John, but there was more going on than they described in the video. I’m not sure if I’m getting the details of this story right, but there was one time my grandpa said that one time John took him and my grandpa out to a hill and held them there for hours at gunpoint, threatening to shoot if they moved, because my grandpa suggested that they would call the police. John did horrible things to them just as he did to the kids and they pretty much couldn’t stop him or else they would be murdered. So the comments saying that they willingly did it are upsetting to me. Also the comment in the video about him distracting himself from the topic because he’s leaning to the side bothered me. My grandpa has horrible hips and a horrible back and he’s had many surgeries. When he’s sitting he’s constantly leaning and moving like he was in the video. It’s just how he sits. I already knew about most of the stuff in this video so it wasn’t too surprising, but it was just interesting to see the actual interrogations and such, as someone related to this awful person. This event affected everyone in the family and I actually saw Micah and my cousins right after it happened several years ago (before she shunned our side of the family). Back then I was younger and didn’t really understand the situation much but now I realize how wide the scope was. Its very depressing and outraging that someone in my family is such a horrible person. The closest I’ve gotten to seeing my wretched uncle in the last few years has been driving past the Gunnison Supermax Prison every time I go to visit my family in Spring City. I hope I never actually see his face though. man this is a really long comment but I just thought I should share my perspective and also the perspective that my family has had after hearing about more than this video shows from our grandparents themselves. Its been a wild decade.
Cold, senseless monsters. Who hears two children were trapped in a barrel for 24 hours and just goes, “okay” 1:16:30 Everyone in this family is cold, and senseless. More scared for themselves, than the children who were being extremely abused.
He didn't turn out, psychopaths are born. They actually show the signs of victims of psychopathic coercion. Of course they are responsible as adults tho, and I think their sentences are shait
The “worst thing” to the grandfather was that his credit was ruined? Not that his grandkids were neglected and sexually abused? Can’t believe those old scumbags weren’t charged with more.
As someone who lived in a church about 50% as bad, I can 100% guarantee you that guy has fiddled kids as well. It's what they ussually make an initiation to make certain the guard-characters who enforce the cult leader's will won't ever go to the outside world (since they know they're getting decades in prison if the cult breaks)
You’re right about him starting the cycle and having no problem having access to kids off the grid lmao he isn’t as innocent and naive as he’s making it out to be
The cases on child abuse are always the hardest to watch/listen to. I had to pause the video halfway through because I began crying. It is beyond horrific that anyone could do this to a child.
The officers that worked so hard not only to find these kids but to comfort them and distract them while they waited for medical help deserve so much credit. Those girls must've been so cold and terrified and I'm sure every little thing made a difference.
Absolutely! I couldn’t agree more. This is just so sad, crazy, and 100% F*CKED all around. Does anyone know what happened with Sam’s two girls? Also, I think I missed some key information about everyone’s relation to one another. I was listening while cleaning. But, was the mother married to BOTH MEN? John first at 16, then Sam later in life? And all 6 children are hers? That part confused me, and I know I definitely missed some key background information.
took the four year old ages to come out of barrel and 1st she didnt want to come out because she didnt have any pants. No water or food or toilet all night terrified
@@lindsaymiller1406 Sam's two girls were the ones the officers found right after catching him iirc! For the other confusing bits, Mica met John at age 16 and married him when she was 19, Sam is John's friend and not married to her (I think so at least, there was a lot of information to take in all at once in this video) Edit: Correction, just got to the part after the barrels and the 4 year old girl was John's youngest daughter whilst the 7 year old girl was Sam's oldest. John's oldest daughter and Sam's youngest were the ones found later!
I understand what you’re saying but CPS is a terrible organization. Children they’ve taken into custody to “help” have gone missing. Trafficking is big business these days. Gives the do dirties more money than running drugs or guns. No one should trust CPS and they should be put out of business.
His efforts to keep that from happening were really bad, but he's not entirely wrong for thinking that's what would happen. Obviously not an excuse, but even if child services had gotten involved ever... there's only a 50/50 chance that a satisfactory outcome would have taken place.
"I'm hungry, but I'm not starving, but I am hungry." Hurts my heart in ways it's never hurt before. Poor little babies deserved to be loved, protected, and cherished. Not abused, hurt, and betrayed.
Sam is worried about the conditions that CPS provide for children, yet he has his and John's children in barels and an abandoned trailer, severely dehydrated and starving (after abusing them). The irony!
Within the first 2 minutes, I knew this was a Mormon offshoot. These cults, of any kind, should not be allowed to keep their kids with them. They always seem to end up majorly traumatized or 🪦. Jodi, Ruby, Lori & Chad.... The Mormon church needs to pull Visions of Glory permanently.
I've heard this before, in the LDS, men see their sons as competition. If you watch the show "sister wives" you would notice how demeaning and belittling Kody Brown is toward his sons.
@@marcomoreno6748 But, but, there's one verse that references the sun rising so the earth must be flat! You can't tell me that's just a commonly used phrase to describe the appearance of the sun rising at dawn as the earth rotates as an oblate spheroid!
"I didn't see anything wrong" said the grandmother. How can you accept that your own adult son says that he will marry somebody else's daughter when she turns 18? This whole family is so twisted.
Right, every time she said she didn't see anything inappropriate after she just said the girls were calling themselves their WIVES I was like wtf are you talking about? You just said a 7 year old is saying she is the WIFE of your adult son... what is wrong with these people?
Yes but everyone is warmly dressed and the girls have short sleeves and I'm here screaming at them to undress and just give them their coats. Instead they open the door to let the cold air in and ask about water multiple times after being let known the kids are first and foremost cold.
@@braria9855 to be fair to them, they were trying to coax the children out so they could be put in the cop cars where there is heating. I see your point, but the cops were doing their damnedest to comfort the girls and get them to all the things they needed to be safe.
@@Isaiah024 I understand that, but you can tell when people are 'just doing their job' as opposed to actually caring about people they come into contact with.
Nobody has ever "deserved" children. Children are always made for someones pleasure or out of egoism. And people who think they're capable of having children are 100% not.
@@fartcannon-wg5olyou're not wrong but there's also more than those two motivations for having kids. Humans are far too complex to limit them to two reasons. 😅 I mean just look at colts in general a lot of people in polygamous cults believe it is their godly duty to bring children into this world... Are they brainwashed yes is their motivation good also yes... And that's something I can think of on a large.. individuals are even more complex than that in their reasoning.
god, i’m so thankful that that police officer was so soft and sweet with the poor girls. he was so gentle and careful with them, you could tell that they weren’t scared of him.
@@RicheeBethis is one of the very few times in my life that I'm gonna defend a cop, he was still looking for two other children and wanted nothing more than for all four of them to be safe, the amount of adrenaline has to have been on another planet.
@@RicheeBethe priority at the time was locating the girls, it wasn't meant to be abrupt or rude. knowing the context, I fully understand why he was in a rush and needed to be listened too.
@@RicheeBeyes because it’s time sensitive. He needs to get them the hell out and find the others. He did a great job while probably freaking TF out inside. He can hardly talk he’s so out of breath. The police did the best job and were incredible with them.
The 4 year old said, " can they just kill him?" in regards to her father. She and the other 5 children suffered horribly. It is terrible that there are people who can be so cruel to children.
The child was worried about what might happen to her father after hearing he was going to jail. You might think that these children ought to hate the fathers but that is not how it works. Note how when taken in initially the one child says she just wants to see her father. It is not unusual for an abused child to keep quiet about abuse to protect someone that they actually still care about deeply.
Thank you so very much for the responsible disclaimer of "although they took beliefs from these religions, they were not a part of nor accepted by them".
It’s wild because stuff like this is so common with branch offs from the LDS faith. There may be dozens more compounds like this out there in the Utah wilderness.
i was a single child in a single mom household. she had severe mental illness and beat me daily. i still would cry for her and want her as a child. stock hold syndrome at its finest. i’d often get scrutinized as a child for wanting her, and it made the abuse seem invisible
Trusted is not really the right word. It's indoctrination. There step of mental processing necessary to decide whether you trust someone or not, does not exist.
I cannot deal with the fact that the grandfather was asked what the age of consent was and he guessed puberty. Absolutely disgusting. All four of those adults should have been put in jail for the rest of their natural lives, the grandparents as well because it is clear they were completely willing to deliberately stay ignorant, to the point of self-delusion, just so they didn't have to confront the sick shit that their son was doing.
Notice how Grandpa says “ the person who had been given”? He doesn’t want to say that little girl or call her by her name because then he would admit to him thinking of her as a person. He disgust me!
Yeah, I can't get over the slap on the wrist that the grandparents got. Those pieces of doodoo are two of the root causes of this whole horrifying debacle. Not always, but often horrible people have horrible parents. Hopefully, these girls can break free of this cycle.
You know what? You guys should only be able to find a story like this maybe once every 10 years. The fact that you finds stories like this almost weekly, makes me want to just burn the planet.
@@GingerCC-he8beShe was mentally with it enough to realise isolating them from other children & not ensuring they were homeschooled properly was detrimental to their well being. Also, he was 21 when they met & he groomed her from age 15. That's going to impact your emotional maturity & mental health. 15 is a CHILD.
@@sarahholland2600 there is no excuse for not protecting your children from this evil. These girls are not getting help now. She has proven that she is so damaged she cannot be a mother.
If I had a nickel for every time I said "Utah, you ok?" I could retire at 33 yrs old and give my children and their children a trust fund for their entire lives.
I'm a grown man, I spent 5 years active duty as an infantryman in the US ARMY, when I heard, "Sam's gone." In that poor babies voice and my heart lurched nearly bringing tears to my eyes. Those poor babies, the thought of my son enduring something so awful makes me run red and it's incomprehensible to me. How can you do something like that, they've never done anything wrong. The strength of these officers to not fucking bludgeon that bastard to the point his eyeballs fall from the socket is nothing short of Saint like.
As a father to a baby girl this was really sickening and rage inducing to watch and hear. I literally got so mad that my hand curled up into a fist when Sam said he would check the hymen on these little girls including his own!!! These “adults” don’t deserve to even see the light of day. Hope they get what they deserve in prison and I wish the best for those girls.
@@midnight_x_edits I was born as an atheist as we all once were...so there's nothing wrong with it LOL...plus I remained as an atheist thanks to my death experience in 2003 that made me see the real truth behind everything...so
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He’s worried about cps but has them in sub freezing temperatures, starving and dehydrated in abandoned containers?!?! What a very sick and deranged individual, all of them!
Yeah "free money" certainly helped these monsters make excuses for wavering on their own heinous and idiotic set of beliefs -Of course that's how it usually works for people of exceptionally poor conviction.
