Even the ASD diagnostic tests have things like " do you find sequences of numbers or dates interesting?" and I'm like no? I can't remember numbers to save my life! And then that affects your diagnostic score!
Maths as a child was hell, I remember my mum sitting with me trying to help with algebra and long division homework and her getting angry because I just couldn’t get it. I also clearly remember feeling frustrated and annoyed that they were wasting my time trying to teach me Roman and Chinese numerals and algebra in secondary school because I couldn’t see a time in my life where I’d ever use them and I still think that anything other than basic branches of maths should only be taught at college/university level if you’re going to need them in your chosen vocation. Now, cooking is hell, especially meals that have several components requiring different temps and times to cook. Burning food and myself is a common occurrence in my kitchen 😂 Days, dates and times are almost impossible especially if they change. I can’t remember the numbers associated with commitments but weirdly, if they change the original details will then get stuck in my brain and as a consequence I don’t get to where I need to be or do the thing I need to do. Even using a calculator doesn’t help because I now realise that I get numbers mixed up which explains getting a different number each time and wrong numbers when I make calls.
I give thanks to my professor for helping me and at least understanding me through high school Cuz I may start understanding some topics the first day when the examples of numbers were clear but the next day I saw X and got out dumbfounded
I stumbled onto a video about dyslexia and a quick test to find out if you should maybe seek professional help for dyslexia (proper diagnosis etc) and he had a video about dyscalculia. I didn't even know that was a thing, but having actually answered yes to 3 out of the 12 questions for dyslexia and them all having been numbers based, I decided to watch his video on dyscalculia... oh boy was I surprised by the very first question. A resounding yes, followed by *EIGHT* out of twelve yes responses! (two of which I no longer answer yes to, but should be given a yes anyway). I'm very interested to see what more things I may discover about myself and dyscalculia!
Holy cow, this was eye opening. I got easy A’s in geometry, the logic problems were so simple for me, but algebra…blah. I scored in the bottom four percent in algebra. Word problems are the worst, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get an equation out of word problems, let alone figure out how to solve that equation. I’d get so frustrated when people told me I just wasn’t trying hard enough, that everyone can learn math and being “bad at it” is just an excuse. When numbers get involved it’s like trying to think through molasses, my brain simply grinds to a halt.
"...thinking through molasses" - Yes! I think I can relate! Would you also describe it, perhaps, as your brain feeling like a computer crashing, when faced with a maths problem?
Thank you for such a great video on this. As a 43 yr old woman, recently self-diagnosed until I learnt that this was even a thing that existed it made me feel that I couldn't possibly be autistic even though everything fitted so perfectly. Once I learnt about dyscalculia I was so relieved. I honestly felt stupid because I still can't retain my timestables, still count on my fingers basic sums and use my phone to calculate simple maths. I have to count on the clock in 5s to work out how long I have left to do something like cook something in the oven. Despite this, when I was at school, I did manage to pass my maths GCSE with the help of my teacher working with me at lunchtimes to give me strategies to get through the exam. At A level I had to drop chemistry because I just couldn't cope and couldn't imagine the problems. I think in words, struggle to imagine people, faces, scenery unless I have already seen them in real life or a photo or picture. Sometimes the words will have colours assigned to them, eg. the word orange is obvously orange in my mind, the word sun is yellow and the word tree is dark green. Just listening to you talk about maths, seeing math sums etc...I was actually getting itchy and feeling nauseous and starting to stim!! But I think it is so important that other people who were like me and had no idea that this even existed, who were shouted at in school and at home, who were made to feel stupid, who was placed in a certain order in the classroom for a lack of aritmetic skill hear about this and start to feel better about themselves.
Perfect explanation and self disclosure. At 77, self diagnosed Asperger’s has made my life make sense. I didn’t earn a college degree because of math requirements but was able to work around it by taking certificates at colleges in several fields without all the math. I have had many of the co-occurring, misdiagnosed symptoms (both mental and physical) throughout my life. Put them all together and you you have an autistic. Now I can be self forgiving for not being good enough and proud of accomplishments. Whew. Thanks for sharing.
My husband and daughter itch when they do math, if they find it difficult. My daughter has autism. I find it difficult to do math but never itch. I just want chocolate. 😅
44 years old and also just recently self diagnosed. I am in the middle of going back to college and not only had to figure out my own way of doing things in the math course, but when I take notes I use color scented markers and write the word to its assigned (assigned by me) color. It's so amazing to find a community where other people get it and where so much of our lives make sense now!
I can tell you what time it is by looking at the sun, enjoy concepts like counting by multiples of (2, 4, 6 or 3, 6, 9 - sometimes I do this as a stim!), and geometry (because real-world applications). I cannot remember more than 4-5 numbers in a string (like serial numbers), always confuse numbers (2 for 5, 8 for 3) and cannot replicate spoken numbers accurately (as in recording a phone# or such). I remember stuffing math(s) drill sheets into the back of my desk cubby in 2nd grade. I spent a lot of time in detention for not doing my math homework, got in trouble for not showing my work in long division (my kids got to use calculators in school!!). When algebra started in middle school, I was sunk. It literally took me retaking every math class from 13 years old up to when I was in college at 25 years old.
This helps so much! In college, I flunked college Algebra twice. The third time I took it was in a class geared towards English majors. All of the mathematical problems were set up as real life scenarios- lots of word problems, games, and hands-on items. I got an A+. I was not "stupid" at Math(s); I just had the wrong teachers, before that class.
And now I also realized I have afantasia......people see stuff when they close their eyes??????? .....!!! What the!!!!!!!!!! I'm 60 and just realized this !!!!!!!
Yeah, some of us do see stuff in our heads and, if you have hyperphantasia, it can feel even more real than this world. When I read the Chronicles of Narnia, I completely dissociated from reality, I was no longer aware that I was reading words on a page, I was there feeling the cold air, the grass beneath my feet, etc. Smells and taste can come into it as well - when I came across the test that has you imagine an apple, I could/can not only imagine it, my brain skips ahead and I imagine biting into it and tasting the sweetness of it, how juicy it is, etc. 😅 I don't have to close my eyes to do it, but it does enhance the experience if my eyes are closed and it's dark all around (nighttime).
The way I describe it to people is, numbers just won't 'stay still' in my head long enough to do anything with them. Sometimes it seems that many people can be very understanding of dyslexia, but treat the concept of dyscalculia wjth derision, particularly at work.
OMG!!! That’s exactly the way it is for me- that’s what I say: the numbers can’t stay still in my head. TY for commenting, glad someone else gets it! ❤
I was accessed and diagnosed my senior year of high school. I only graduated because I was put in remedial and my teacher tutored me every morning and afternoon and also gave me the 1 point I needed to pass the exam for my efforts. She also tutored me my first year of college. I've attempted college 3 times in my life and only maths keep me from degrees. Although, my last professor would make sketches and say decimals are money, fractions are food. He made sense. Thank you patient, caring, supportive people. I can't make it alone. ❤
Im glad to hear someone else had a good teacher too. Mine got promoted to assistant principal the 2nd year on the job out of college. I will never forget her and how she helped me make the math team once! I did horribly, but i made the team 😁
omg this happened to me too! i was in summer school twice. my teachers would do after school tutoring so i would do that and then go do mathnasium right after. that was literally everyday. and i didn't even pass a few times myself, my teachers did the same thing where they would give me .7 or .4 of a point just to get me to the minimum passing...they were awesome. i think they recognized i had some serious issues with math that wasn't just me being bad at math even tho neither have actually heard of dyscalculia. it's comforting to hear i'm not the only one! for the longest time i thought i was just stupid but then it ended up being an actual learning disability.
Thank you so much for this video, I didn't even know that this existed. I just always thought I was the dumbest person on earth. I could never understand any mathematical concepts. All the way through school no one cared.. I'm 61 years old and now I know I am I autistic. This is such a relief. But because of these math issues it made my life miserable. I'm so grateful to you and your videos. Thank you again❤
I am quite American then when it comes to some of my vocabulary. Kinda makes sense to me that "Mathematics" is shortened to Math, rather than Maths. I get there are multiple types in the subject, but it rolls off the tongue a fair bit better. Idk, just me lol. Maths to me sounds like Mass, but with a fricative... like in some lisps. I know it's nitpicky. But hey, everything else when it comes to spelling and grammar I can get behind of when it comes down to UK/AU Dialects.
I have a friend who has autism and it took him so long to finish university because he just struggled with math. His school eventually allowed him to substitute his math class for something else so he could graduate. This sounds just like him.
One thing that triggers meltdowns for me is when I feel rushed to complete a task (usually at work), and I begin to make mistakes. Does this happen to other people? If so, maybe that would make for a good topic for a video.
I can relate. I’ve always been terrified of making mistakes, and I can toggle between detail oriented and careless. Darned ADHD has always screwed up my best autistic traits. And yeah, if I get flustered my sympathetic nervous system dumps my prefrontal cortex in the crapper, and my cognition drops by 75%.
My goodness, YES! I have always struggled to complete tasks on time! It seems to take me 3 to 4 times longer to do things than expected! ESPECIALLY IF MATH IS PART OF IT! Mom, bless her tried to be my math tutor, and though she had studied to become an elementary school teacher, we BOTH about gave up on me learning basic math!! To this day, some parts of the times tables are black holes to me. I have to work them out, long hand on paper. Anything above basic math, forget it, literally! I needed highschool algebra to graduate. The only reason I passed that course, was a teacher with a sense of humor, when I brought my hand held calculator to class and used it to do homework! He said the next best thing to knowing the answers was knowing how to get the answers!
You know the part on Apollo 13 when they are listing everything wrong and the flight director says .."What do you have on the spacecraft that is good"? That's how I feel about my brain sometimes when compared to what this society needs it to do. 💩. I can list some things I'm good at but the list of things that may not meet society's expectations is getting too long
❤ Again, you just described me. I barely squeezed by high school basic math. If it's above multiplication, I have forgotten how to do it. Clocks need to be a face, not digital. I'm crap at size and distances. I had a meltdown in class, once, because the teacher couldn't explain WHY certain symbols were used. I love physics, as long as it's in words, not numbers.
I don’t think you have a problem then. You just need better instructors. I’m exactly opposite of you. Great at gauging distances and size. I excel at the bow and arrow and throwing things driving etc. word problems wreck me. 😂
Another thing: this validates years of having my mother angry at me accusing me of not even trying at math because i got a C when every other subject i always got As even in advanced and honors classes. I was so confused because i was very gifted in every other subject and never had to try at all, but math was such a struggle and even after trying hard i got lower grades. I only had 1 teacher that knew how to accomodate for dyscalculia.
Everyone told me I was not trying hard enough too....teachers got angry at me...nobody knew of dyscalculia when I was a kid in grade school, and most teachers today don't either. I just never knew why I was so "stupid" with math all my life. Now at least I know it was not "me"...that I have a learning disability, which makes it all make sense, but my life would have been so different if someone knew that back then. I only found out I have this in 2020 on the internet.
An entire childhood of being told I was too smart to be this stupid. That I was just being stubborn, and if I'd just try hard enough, I'd understand. It took me ages just to learn how to read an analog clock. I was a full-fledged adult before I REALLY understood how clocks are supposed to be read, well enough to wear a watch and MOSTLY get it, though it still takes me extra time to process it. Word problems were hell. Geometry, I was actually good at! The one math subject where I didn't feel completely at sea. I feel so relieved (IT'S NOT MY FAULT! IT WAS NEVER MY FAULT!) and so ANGRY. I recognize that knowledge of this wasn't widespread in the 70's and 80's, but the hell I went through. The hell so many of us have been through. 😭
What kind of wizard doctor do you have that found all of this for you? I'm happy for you that you have someone who is so in tune with all the different experiences a person who may or may not be autistic could have. I would love to have such a resource, thank goodness we have you Orion and others who are bringing these things to light. It can truly be empowering to find out there is a reason behind your difficulties.
hmm... is Dyscalculia conditional? I am rather gited mathematically when i am alone or working with my... well anything. But when someone is there or if i feel something uncomfortable (horrible pants perhaps). I cant seem to do any math. Or read. mmmm or even talk i guess? Edit: I think i understand why i dropped out of school now....
I didn't even know this was a thing and now that I do I'm happy and sad. Happy that I had a legit learning disability and sad because I received no help and was actively ridiculed as a child and into adulthood. Numbers made no sense. I couldn't even grasp the concept of numbers and I couldn't add or do any simple arithmetic well into fourth grade. Teachers lost their patience and parents would rage and throw things not understanding why I didn't understand. This made me avoid any and all mathematics until I went to university and since I had matured, wanted to learn, and was in a non-toxic environment I upgraded all my math and got straight A's. I'm still terrified of counting in front of people, i can't do math in my head, i couldn't tell time off a clock until i was an adult, and i still cannot figure out word problems. I aced my courses because I can memorize mathematical processes and apply them to the questions but only based off memory. I cannot look at an equation and know what to do. Real eye opener and explains so much. I just wished my family and the doctor cared to know more and wanted to help me.
I had teachers look at me with rage when I could not do math. None of them ever took time to ask me about it. I only found out about this in 2020 by chance on the internet...then it all made sense. So many things about my life could have been different if people had known about this when I was a kid. I probably would have gone to college...I would have had better paying jobs too. I totally get what you say about being happy and sad, like you at least I know now that there was a good reason why I went through all that, but sad that I had to.
POSSIBLE SHOW IDEA about Deaf autistic people. (or have you already done that?) I have autism. My spouse is Deaf and also has autism. There are many interesting layers regarding communication, masking, mimicry, etc. He deals with because of additional cultures, obstacles, etc.
this might be niche but i often struggle with perception and picturing rotating/flipping objects in daily life. the example i always give is "say mum always parks her car driving forward into the carpark, but today she backed in, what side is the passenger seat?" its things like that that make me feel embarrassed, im often seen as clumsy. i cant picture things from different points of view and struggle to understand patterns. i still dont have any license as i'm often confused at what someone elses car is doing from a different point of view. its hard to explain but in the test you'll be given a picture of a car coming toward you but in a lane of traffic, i cant tell you what the traffic light would look like on their side or understand what way they are going based on what the light says. or another example is putting on a necklace yourself but you want the "front" of the necklace facing outward, i cant figure out what way to put it around my neck to get it how i want it from my point of view. please let me know if any of you get what i mean!! i have many other examples but those are the easiest to explain
If I want to change a room around I cannot picture how it will look with the furniture in different places, I think that's the kind of thing u mean. I do drive tho and I do know which way other traffic will go, I think it might b just that I have memorized it or have been coming from their position enough times. I also can do the thing where I put my necklace on wrong and have to take it back off and turn it.
@@heedmydemands yes!! it's also left and rights, backward facing and foreward facing. i also have trouble buttoning up my shirts, they end up more un even than not and i also end up putting things on inside out too
Makes sense. Autism and ADHD are both neurological in nature, so it's reasonable to assume that that would have some impact on core brain functions responsible for comprehension of mathematical concepts and calculations. It can go both ways, though. My best friend is also autistic and has genius-level intelligence pertaining to maths. Does accounting for a living. I, on the other hand, struggle with the most basic of calculations despite having an IQ only a few points below his, but still within the 99th percentile.
So true, my 15 year old autistic daughter is a math wiz, like I could never imagine. I am autistic but also have ADHD, I know I am smart, it just really complicates things, along with learning disabilities she does not have.
Would VERY much much like to know how Neuro typical people think. I thought how I thought i was normal until an autistic person told me how the NT person was different. Plenty of video telling me how I think. P.S. Thank you for what you do ❤
I was diagnosed with dyscalculia, dyslexia, adhd and anxiety…and processing disorder. I have had trouble with math since about age 10. The more complex math became ( as I matriculated into higher grades in school) the worse my math difficulties became. Even using a calculator can be challenging because my brain will scramble numbers and number sequences.
I think all those other things you were falsely diagnosed with stemmed from your Dyscalculia think about it. You became frustrated because you couldn’t grasp math then became stressed leading to ADHD. Don’t let them over diagnose you.
i was diagnosed with Dyscalculia... about 3 years AFTER i finished all my schooling. and it has, in fact, effected my willingness to go back to any school. 😅
I only found out that this disability existed by chance, in 2020. Long Long after my school years. I never even entertained the thought of going to college since I could barely get by in high school, so I never went to college. I have never thought of working in retail even though I knew I would love it. All my life I always wondered why I was so bad with numbers. It kept me from doing so many things. When I was in school no teachers even knew about this.
Great video Orion. In 2007 I was diagnosed with NVLD and dyscalculia. In 2019 I got my GED (here in the USA) and passed the math portion the first time without much studying. I also took the SAT (college entrance exam here in the States) and again did ok without much studying. When it comes to actually taking a class in math, I couldn't do it and had to drop out of university (along with other reasons). I just got a diagnosis of Autism last month. I'll be 48 next month and my life has fallen apart. I'm living back with my parents and cannot work. I don't know if I'll be able to ever return to work in the future. I'm actually trying my hand at making RU-vid videos but am at the beginning of journey and the vids aren't very good at this time but I'll continue grinding. Thanks for all you do! I look forward to your videos as they make me feel better :D
I was a semester away of graduating university, but I couldn't pass the math classes I needed to graduate, even with unlimited tutoring. I had a 4.0 GPA but I just felt stupid. I couldn't understand any of it. Needless to say, I never got my BS.
@@breeinatree4811 I think we need education reform in this country to address the math filter. There's a good TED talk given by a HS math teacher who thinks it's absurd as well. Search TEDx John Bennett - Why Math Instruction is Unnecessary if you'd like to check it out.
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 I was a non traditional student. I started university in my late twenties. Non traditional students have work experience so they dont have to take the SAT.
Yep that's me alrighty! I can't work out how old I am most times. lol Knowing I have it, I managed to get through uni statistics! I had to do it twice but hey, I never have to do it again!!!! Yay!!
So u didn't like it eh? I had a precalc student teacher who told me that statistics was his fave class, I love math, specifically precalc so I figured maybe I'll like it too
Try finding the next train home in a station with 18 platforms (reading the analog clock, interpreting the time table, remembering the correct time and platform). Or playing a sorcerer/druid in D&D. Or working the gears on your bike, while remembering the way through Amsterdam because interpreting maps is a no-no. I should have known I had dyscalculia when, 50 yrs ago, I tried to convince my science teacher that no way it is possible to multiply time and distance. (Be real here, it's just not possible.) I'm so happy apps were invented!!
This: "I should have known I had dyscalculia when I tried to convince my science teacher that no way it is possible to multiply time and speed. (Be real here, it's just not possible.) " is the type of discussion that we have with our son on a daily basis ... and the "Be Real Here" part is the part that is SO hard to get past, because everything is so absolutely literal. I believe the sentence was: "Ok so let me just grab a handful of time out of the air, and we'll show it to the speedometer on the car and watch it multiply. Oh yeah, you can't grab time, so it definitely can't be multiplied, so there's your proof that this is just Stupid and Lies and it's going to be proven wrong by a REAL scientist." Ugh. It is so hard to connect sometimes, and even when you do you're not sure you did.
I got tears in my eyes for two reasons Orion. First of all because I have followed your emotional struggle and I feel like you are doing well or at least much better. I hope I am right because your channel and videos wouldn’t be without you and they are so important. Reason two is that I got such an aha moment. I recognise everything and so I will definitely do some more research into this phenomena as it might be possible it explains these struggles. ❤ Another thing… would you consider talking about aphantasia and autism. I have it and I have talked with others who have both autism and aphantasia and I think it would be interesting to make such topic and also as a source of information to those who don’t have it to maybe somehow understand it. Kindest regards from Sanna in Sweden
Recently diagnosed as autistic, been diagnosed with ADHD since childhood…I self diagnosed with dyscalculia years ago and it still fits. Check, check, check lol. I can’t read a clock with no numbers or dashes, I have no clue what a 30 degree angle is, 1 ft and 3 ft all look the same to me, and numbers have no meaning beyond knowing what is smaller and larger (and then only whole numbers). Video games taught me how to read a map…. Word problems are the worst. I remember a time in high school my mom gave my sister and I the same problem (one of those you buy something for X and give Y how much do you get back), and my sister who is 8.5 years younger than me had the answer before I figured out I had to subtract to get the answer. Talk about embarrassing…. I definitely have the anxiety and avoidance of math. Please don’t ever ask me a math problem, especially if you want an answer in front of others. I will just shut down and my brain will just stop in it’s tracks. I won’t even remember how to begin to do the problem in the first place. My martial arts instructor thinks it’s amusing to give kids math problems while doing class. I understand the neurobics of it but to me it just leads to a lot of anxiety and low self esteem. So frustrating.
Dyslexia and dysgraphia are frequently confused, too. I was pleased that my certification in Neurolinguistics covered dyscalculia. It was very enlightening.
Wow! Now I get it! I couldn’t learn times tables, geometry, algebra, always confused greater than and less than signs, all that stuff. Geometry was especially confusing! I still struggle with stuff. My daughter helps me with my check book 😊
I thought i was unablee to just "read" numbers, but shiet... This explain my entire chikdhood!!! Also why i never understand distance when people bring it up lol omg😂
Wow! I think you nailed why I got As or Fs depending on who was teaching the math course. I mean, when the real world example is funny, how can you not remember it. But when the teacher sounds like Charlie Brown's wah wah wah, well dyscalculia rears its head.
I am dyslexic and I have dyscalulia but I been diagnosed with depression,anxiety disorder and bipolor. I could never get passed fractions and have been told I was faking it. Math in general was and is a total an issue. It would be like trying to read a book in Russian or German being English speaking.
This is a tough topic to understand, but you made it really fun! I've always been quite good at math in school (my reasoning is because it was all on paper and it involved strict rules, calculations you needed to memorise), but at age 45, I still have to use my fingers when I have to multiply or subtract in a supermarket! So embarrassing. I also for the life of me cannot give people directions because I have no idea if a building/street is 100 meters away or 10000 meters away! Don't know if that is just me or my lazy primary school teacher (she really was!), or dyscalculia, but it is what it is. 😵💫❤
If you wanted to level up your math, at your own pace, you may find Khan Academy (youtube channel) useful. He started it as a way to teach his family how to do basic math on up to university, and it's expanded from there I'd start with the stuff you fully remember, if only to get used to how he does things and his pace. One learning curve at a time, yeah?
WHAT?? This is why I thought I couldn't be Autistic. I SUCK at maths like Algebra. I failed Algebra 3 times, but my teacher gave me a pitty D- but I am good at Geometry and spacial relationships if I use them often. Algebra, a lot of basic arithmetic, really a struggle. Especially under stress or time constraints. I can't come up with a tip if I have friends or family watching me fill out the bill. I just pick a number I hope is generous and try to forget about it.
I remember the sped teacher getting frustrated with me because I couldn't wrap my mind around fractions. I can't do something if I don't know what it is or why. Feels like people skip over explaining basics and assume we know what a 'fraction' is or what division in. As a child I didn't know what these words mean but was expected to perform them.
Don’t blame it on the teachers. They don’t have the time to spend on individual students. I couldn’t wrap my head around thing’s unless it involves pictures. Word problems also held me back unless I converted them number problems.
I read an article that said that very few teachers even today are even aware of what dyscalculia is. Back when I was a kid, which was quite a while back, all I got was anger and frustration from my math teachers, as far back as grade school. For that I do blame those teachers. That did nothing to give me confidence and only made me feel bad about myself.@@rolandthethompsongunner64
7:41 / 9:46 This screwed me up on my computer science major and I had to back out of the program because I couldn't pass the required classes. I would often mix-up/replace numbers and not know that I did that until someone else comes and points it out, and I'm usually told to double check my calculations. No one would take me seriously when I would tell them the problem I was experiencing was dyslexia with numbers and even the "support services/Autism minders" thought I was making it all up and wouldn't take me seriously because I wasn't chewing crayons.
I was diagnosed back in 2002 I managed to mask all of my issues for years until I copied down from the board at school 12345 as 52431 it is a talent I say 😆 my science teacher put me in for assessment. I don’t remember timestables, I struggle with fractions, time management, word problems (always thought that was the dyslexia?!) I use my hands to add up if I don’t have a calculator. I can tell the time now took me until 12 years old but working out what time to leave the house for an appointment I always somehow end up an hour early. 🤔 I’m never late for appointments because I’m always really early 😆 Multi sensory learning is good for both dyslexia and dyscalculia. In timestables I’ve started doing associations, I also do this with peoples names if I don’t have an association I have no idea what their name is! An example is everyone I know called Sarah in my head look like a princess 👸🏽 All my life I had struggles, I started saying I had ocd because I was particular about certain things, it wasn’t until just under 2 years ago that a friend who’s autistic said to me replace autism every time you say ocd and think on it. Yes more research needs to go into these things and how to help children and adults learn to adapt there learning with technology.
omg the hour early/late thing. i was the same way until my partner told me i was including the hour it had already turned in my counting. i use to think this (as an example) was 3 hours apart, 9, 10, 11. until my partner said not include the number it had turned, that example is only 2 hours apart. ive been through my whole life including the first number, absolute madness😂😂
@@Kornkitt3nhen I had my kids I ended up being on time and now with technology I don’t even tell I have issues because I rely on them so much, when I come to write something down or work it out on my own I can really see a massive difference and with AI I think my world just shifted, just figuring out how to use it to make my life even better. 😁
@heedmydemands Wait, what?? You are telling me the birthday thing is not completely typical?? I don’t feel like I have dyscalculia, but when you said “not sure I’m one day off” - I could never possibly be sure of that. I count days with my finger on a calendar if I need to get the number of days right. Whoops!
@@jimwilliams3816 I use two apps one called days between, and another called countdown which I can put widgets on my iPhone. I have countdowns to everything! 😆
7:15-7:18 I so do this. And I think this ties in with pathological demand avoidance, whereby you have a huge tantrum if someone keeps telling you what to do, ergo you feel as though all your autonomy is taken away from you. That's exactly how I felt when my dad was snooping through my maths homework in primary school; he clearly didn't trust in my intelligence as a human being, considering that he verbally abused me over getting most of my maths homework wrong 😡🙄😭
And to add, when at the end of my first year at university, when we had to pick electives for next year, I didn't choose advanced financial analysis, because I knew that it involved complex maths. And especially because I knew that my dad would snoop into my business again, like he did when I had an assignment for financial analysis and reporting; he kept telling me what to do, and I was crying the whole time 😭😠
10:06-10:09 this is just bringing back horrible memories of my financial analysis and reporting module a few months ago, where I had to calculate a budget. It went arseways as expected, because I'm sh*t at maths 😂
My son who is autistic does quite complex math problems in his head for his age but struggles with concentration in class but that could be his ADHD. He is a close copy of me and I fully understand him. His autism is more social and emotional than practical.
Ok, I always tell people that I have “number dyslexia.” I’ll hear and even repeat numbers then write an entirely different number. I’ll even read numbers out loud and read the wrong numbers.
11:20-11:22 retrospectively, I feel extremely resentful for how my secondary school handled me being sh*t at maths; the fact that it's the *very* year that I leave there, that they're funding the sensory room that could've helped me improve on my maths, and possibly stay in the honours class, instead of being forced to drop down to the remedial class is absolute blasphemous. I mean that school has been open for 13 years, and it's only *NOW* that they're really taking neurodivergent people I to consideration. On one hand, good for the younger generation, but on the other hand, for my generation that were failed, how dare our school not take us neurodivergent people into consideration the minute they built that school. But then again my old secondary school is ratchet af; they only built the pe hall there 5 years ago, when I was in 10th grade
Well, my husband is fully diagnosed with Aspergers, sensory integration disorder, OCPD, tourettes, and just also happens to be a mathematical savant, and his degrees are in mathematics, statistics, and software engineering,. Yet, he cant work out how to lay his jumper flat on the table so that when he puts it on, its on the right way around. So while he has very advanced innate mathematical gifts, his spacial awareness just doesnt exist. So at the end of the day, the ASD brain is more complex and splintered in all life skill sets than any other disorder. But ive seen this disorder in very non autistic people as well, so I think it would be hard to make a positive correlation between the two.
Thank you SO much for this video Orion! I have discalulia and autism I had strengths in things like pythagoras' theorem and algebra but I could not do a simple fraction or percentage until I was 20! The only way I survived maths exams was by using my freak long term memory where I used colour coded visualised references that I'd written out continuously for 4 hours every day to the point where I couldn't forget the visual and the process of each equation. I'm not good at maths I rely solely on memory, I also see numbers backwards in my head and confuse the order of numbers often.
Thanks Orion, I was told I am likely to have Dyscalculia. You have explained it clearly and you amused me when you were saying things you said you didn't know what you were even saying. I can totally relate!!! 😂
I was diagnosed with autism in my teens and have always struggled with numbers. I remember feeling stupid in primary school because I struggled with traditional clocks and even now at nearly 40 it'll take me a few moments to study a clock face before I could tell you what time it was (thank goodness for digital clocks!). In high school (for the brief time I could cope being there) I was somehow deemed smart enough to be in the top maths class...I have no idea how or why they thought that as I struggled with basic maths, we had a scary teacher (most infamous in the school) so I was too terrified to ask for help so every class was spent in a constant state of anxiety and me staring blankly at my books...I'm honestly not sure if I even completed a single problem. I always assumed I was just stupid and would avoid maths like the plague, it wasn't until I was in my 30s I realised dyscalculia was a thing and everything clicked into place! One of my main issues is that numbers seem to shapeshift, I can't just glance at numbers, a 7 could be a 1, a 3 could be an 8 etc, it takes a lot of concentration and focus to tel what number is what. Anything more than 4 numbers in a row really starts to melt my brain and to this day I will practically have an anxiety attack when I have to do my accounts or look at a spreadsheet. Even travelling and trying to find the right flight or train number is a nightmare. I've not found any solutions to my issues so I'll have to try the tips in the video and see how they go! Thanks for the content!
Haven't yet watched this but I just watched a previous video of yours... (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-h2nmJxn-TH0.html) And now I KNOW that my crying in response to a few of your videos the other night wasn't just because of the off chance that I was extra emotional that day. It's because you actually touch on the topics that I've tried to touch on myself within my social circle for the past few years. Lately I've started to wonder if I've just been ridiculous for asking for all the accommodations that I believe we all deserve. But to hear it spoken back to me in your videos... I'm crying again because omg. Just holy fuck. You are such an important and vital person within our community. You say so much of what we need and what Allistics need to learn, to be told, and what they need to do for us so we feel safe. And like you'd said, it's likely too late for most of us who are already adults (and that breaks my heart because I want to get to experience it just once in my life) But it's not too late to end abuse against Autistics so that the next generation, the kids of today, they don't have to grow up and become the next generation of broken adults. They can have a life of acceptance, inclusion and accommodations, without patronizing them in the process. Because they deserve it. And we deserve it too. Even though we may never get it, WE HAVE STILL ALWAYS DESERVED IT. And same goes for all the Autistics before us. And for anyone reading this... Just because they are offended doesn't mean you're offensive. Just because they feel attacked doesn't mean you attacked them. I know that won't stop what you experience, but maybe that can help lessen the pain just a bit.
Never heard of this term before...that said, I have nasty issues with fractions and any form of algebra. I understand the very basic forms of fractions... 1/2, 2/3, etc... Thats fine. It's the whole adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing that i have major issues with. If i can convert frqctions to like .375 and add fractions that way, then I'm good...but subtracting, dividing, multiplying? Nope. My mind can't do it. I never got to algebra. I couldn't even pass pre-algebra. I refuse to even think about it because I can't grasp it. Bunch of gobbligook, malarky, and inconceivable nonsense. No idea how, but I am good with trigonometry. I don't understand it one iota, but evidently I am good with it. **Shrugs** Geometry....lets not go there, pleaaaase. **Cringes and twitches*" Word problems...oh man, I remember having to stifle back tears cuz I had so much trouble with those things in middle school and junior high. Best way to describe math word problems for me : impossible tongue twisters of the mind In 7th and 8th grade (junior high in the states" we were required to take shop and home ec class. Measurements and understanding, let alone memorizing the lines of a ruler took the full two years for me to memorize....understanding them took much longer. Still slip up a lot these days.....to my knowledge, as far as I know - I'm the only one that failed those two classes in the school's history..... I understand time pretty well. One of the things I'm a bit obsessive about. Mainly due to the fact that I can't sleep at night like most everyone else does And that even as a child growing up I had such trouble with. I like to think I was born with a "wackbards" internal clock. Me, I love sleeping during the day. Even better if I have the sun in my face. Best sleep and rest ever, imo. I sleep at night and I get insomnia. Never fails. Once I got out of school at 18, I stopped trying to sleep at night. Definitely one of the best choices I made. The only way I do sleep at night these days is if I get a monster migraine (been getting migraines for the last 33 years - since I was 12) that messes with my sleep cycle..... I envy anyone who can lay down or sleep with a migraine. Y'all are so lucky! Now understanding the number of the day we're all on, that's where I also get lost on. I may know what day of the week we're on, but the date?....uhh, nope. Even if I look at the date on a calendar, computer, or phone every hour or so, it zips through my head and never stays. So knowing the exact date is something best left to someone else. LoL.... That said, I'm usually a few days off. Say I want to eatch a show that comes on Tuesday.....by the time my mind comes to it's own realization, feel, or concept of Tuesday - in truth it's Friday..... whoops, lol. But yeah, clocks don't bother me, nor does the normal passage of time. I get that just fine. It's everything else that goes with it.
yes, I have it badddddddddddddd...I get meltdowns from it that lead to shut downs...it's worse than my dyslexia. duuuuuude...really, I get the shakes and start panicking...I know basic math, but start complicating it with decimals and % and stuff...then letters...oh my goodness...I hate math. Then add the ADHD...and the of course...anxiety. I avoid math whenever possible. I tried Algebra in college in my 20s, and i fell asleep in class alot, and even slept thru class in my vehicle one time...It exhausts my brain bad. Not to sound all negative but, math agitates me...I'm fine with staying away from math lol...I tried life insurance as a "job" and they gave up on me understanding the "explaining the forms" because I couldn't explain it, because I didn't understand how to fluently understand and explain it to make my brain word it so it was understandable...quite traumatizing actually.
Where the hell am I? I dunno. How long do you think it will take you? No idea. How do you calculate this percentage you've already calculated millions of times before? Uhhhhh.... Pretty embarrassing to generally be pretty intelligent and then struggle with these basic things.
35 and struggling with basic math, thank you for this video, it comes at a time where I am trying to learn it (yet again)- its been a life long strugle of mine and i want a job in the medical field, which requires my knowing math. I will try to give your strategies a try, its the first and only video I've seen that doesn't just talk about it, but you are also trying to give helpful strategies too. The Math Wizard channel here on RU-vid is the only other helpful video I've seen on this subject. In case anyone else is struggling and wants to check it out.
I think this is on a spectrum. As I have some of these, have trouble with others but not as much issue with the rest. I’m excellent at estimating for example. I use math and reinforce learning and practice extra, much extra. I gave up on addition, subtraction, multiplication and division in my head. I always use calculators. I need calculators! I can’t even comprehend what some branches of math even are I don’t understand trigonometry what even is it? I’m decent at time but terrible at memorizing sequences of numbers.etc. I think I really put in ten times the effort of a normal person. I remember not getting these math things at all when a young child and working way harder and forcing myself a lot. Funny enough I use math despite disliking math sometimes for art (hard though) and TTRPG. I am a Game master and use math all the time. Use calculators, use paper and extra steps. I think studying while having something in your hands does help t remember what you learn. My mindset was to put in as much extra effort as needed and use calculators. Persistence does help. Sometimes really admit you need that calculator however!
2:30 / 9:58 Maybe this is why I can follow and understand physics yet when the same math is done though calculus, I'm more lost than polar bear in a desert.
I don’t have a problem with this but since my autistic burnout I switch letters around trying to type words or do the same with numbers, something I didn’t have a problem with before. I do this verbally, too, more than I used to. Sometimes whole words are missing or several words get smooshed into one short word. One problem that I think is related to dyslexia that I’ve always had is knowing my right and left. Just not there, has never been there lol. I always have to ask myself which hand I write with and then that’s my right. The brain is a funny thing. Losing intellectual ability has forced me to recognize that a person’s value is instrinsic- something I would say about others but I never considered applied to myself of for some reason. My self-love is growing every day and now that think the burnout was a gift. Luckily I am in a spot where I can just be. I know many don’t have this choice and I pray for all of you ❤
❤ Thank you Orion for explaining this as I could never figure out why I can remember specific dates but still count on my fingers, cant do times table or figure out maths formulas, reasoning, concepts etc and I can't figure out 24 hour clocks. .. people laugh so I thought I was dumb.
Very important topic, Orion! Thank you for talking about this. I'm glad that nowadays kids with dyscalculia can get the help they need to be able to keep up at school. When I was a kid in the 60s/70s I was regarded as stupid and unteachable when it came to maths. I was ok until we hit geometry and algebra and to me it might as well have been Chinese!
Also putting concepts that need to be memorised to a song can help immensely, IF the person is already somewhat adept at remembering and enjoying songs
so many of these are me - I only learned fractions because I quilt and needed it for that. I learned percentages becasue of sales at the fabric store. As a special ed teacher I taught by using physical things, heavy on the manipulatives. To teach average I found most students know 4 quarters make up a dollar. I had groups of 4 take their quarters and each make change in a different way than the others. we then mixed the change and everyone grabbed some. we then set each quarter in a row and the change under it and added the mixed change, then added the 4 piles of mixed change and learned about averages. Many people with Autism are visual learners so clocks that are color coded are great. You helps learning when it hooks into real life.
I was dx'ed with a generic "learning disorder" when i was in 2nd grade. It started when they were trying to teach money. I did not get it. I found out as an adult, after college, that it was Dyscalculia. Much later i discovered I'm Autistic and most likely also ADHD. Funny enough I'm great with visual spacial calculations and i did pretty good at Geometry when all other math subjects were a horrible struggle for me. Don't get me started on word problems 😭. Analog clocks are still a struggle at 37 yo. I like to believe my Autism granted me the ability of recognizing patterns that helped me overcome some challenges. The rest i can thank my mother for being my advocate.
Trying to teach my grade four autistic adhd son how to add and subtract time 😅 “why is it 60?” I really don’t know they just decided it needed to be harder to understand I guess.
OH YES!! I was tested for cognitive dysfunction by nurse at doctors. She asked me to count down from 50. I nearly went in to melt down, couldn't do it. Despite that she then asked me to count down from 99 in blocks of 3 - eh??? Went in to melt down!! When I was 18 I worked in a pub and locals always laughed because I used a calculator! Like others, I can't read a 24 hour clock, and have to look at a proper clock and count on my fingers if I need to know how long I've got before something, like taking a cake out the oven. Also like others, I always felt so stupid until I heard of dyscalculia.
Woah!!!! I didn't really think I had this, or was leaning toward making my assumption that I *don't* have it up until you mention variability!!! I'm really decent with time, and spatial patterns (I do extremely well in recognizing visual patterns), but with sequences of numbers I totally poop the bed. I'm great with basic math, but after about grade 7 material, my comprehension plummets drastically. It never made sense why I went from A's to completely failing within less than a year. I'm homeschooling my kids, but without teacher guides and online tutorials I'd be lost. My husband asked my daughter what 10,000 × 100,000 was the other day, and she got it right away, but I can't compute easy things in my head like that. It's embarrassing. I took algebra 3 separate times in college, applied myself HARD, and still failed miserably. I had a 4.0 and even higher (some professors left notes about extra credit in my reports), but I couldn't pass college level algebra. I read through a friend's statistics textbook though, and knew I could manage that material because it was an entirely different sort of computation, and not confounding to me. So the variability element is huge. It's been hard to explain this to others because it isn't simply *all* math, it's particular types of math, formulas and head math (for me personally).
I am the prime example of a dyscalculic. All 20 points concern me. As a late diagnosed autistic, 61 years old, my severe dyscalculia did not allow me to study at university and gave me a low self-esteem. Two years ago I revealed a partial giftedness in the linguistic area. Is it really true that on average dyscalculia is more common in autistic people than in non-autistic people?
OFF TOPIC, BUT STILL A QUESTION: Our 14 year old son has Autism and has just realized it / been told that he is affected, etc. We're 1st time parents of a teen, so we know we're in uncharted territory in that area. Additionally, we read a lot and watch shows like yours, and "study" what experiences of autism are most likely to be ... but we are not diagnosed as autistic. Therefore, we are again in uncharted territory. Lastly, we are (as are MOST parents) raising a child in a world that is VERY different than the one we grew up in (Cell phones are 'necessities', trans/gender change vocalism cannot be avoided or subdued, politicians saying verifiable facts are fake news, etc.); so we're just doing everything we can to teach him to be an accepting good person with critical thinking skills to the best of our abilities. To say the least, we have a few difficulties, and a LOT of it has to do with his VERY VERY VERY LITERAL interpretation of the world we are in ... which we think is more attuned to autism than teenage hormones. Here are 2 problems we're looking at that you may be able to help with: 1). Son is CUNNING and MANIPULATIVE, and has taken to saying: "Oh. Well obviously I can't be in trouble, because I have Autism and that means I see the world differently so I could not have known that was wrong. I think I should get a pass." - Any words of wisdom for shutting that excuse down when it is CLEARLY being used as a way to shirk responsibility? *It IS sometimes viable and we recognize that ... however there are times his bad choices are CLEARLY made because he's holding that as his excuse. 2). What type of punishment do you think could get the attention of someone with autism that are not cruel or "over the top"? Typical punishments (no electronics, don't get to have friends over this weekend, etc.) have been ineffective ... and just saying: "Don't do that again," is a complete waste of breath. Is there anything that you feel may be more likely to lead someone with autism to self-reflect that are not in the typical list of punishments? *The closest we have come to reaching him) is to take away the X-box and not put a "return date" on it coming back, however he becomes hyper focused on when it is coming back and that is his only thought. In other words, as long as he has an end date (which can be years) he's willing to move forward (and convinced that is just how it is) ... but if there is not an end date, in his mind the punishment is unfair and he was right all along. ------------------- For insight: Do not steal is a standard thing we have taught, and we explained what "stealing" is. After the explanation and his understanding of the definition of stealing this happens: Friend comes over and brings his Beyblades. Son hides some of the Beyblades, and of course the friend leaves them. We see son with his friends Beyblades, that the friends mom thinks our son stole Son explains he did not 'steal' them, that the friend left them there when he went home ... so that is not stealing. We ask why the friend left them, and son freely says that the friend couldn't find them ... and then points out that hiding things is not the same as stealing them. To which we have to split hairs for 5 hours (really) to get him to understand that he DID steal them by hiding them ... and then he pops off with: "but I have autism so I didn't know it was wrong as I proved by explaining that hiding and stealing are 2 different words and that there was not a rule against hiding ..." to which we have to go for another 3 hours explaining that he is using autism as an excuse to try to get away with things he knows are wrong. ------------ We don't want reading to be a punishment, because we don't want to associate that with a negative. We don't say : "No ice cream on Friday" because we don't want to let him think he could mess up so bad that we'd starve him to death. *Friday is ALWAYS ice cream day. He can only clean his room so many times. We never want to jeopardize the already limited number of friendships he has, so taking away the phone and gaming headsets he uses to keep in contact with them is dangerous. We've got to be missing something, and it has to be something that "matters" to him. Any ideas? ----------- We love your channel, and Thank You for the insight and observations that you provide!
I've noticed that, together with my possible (probable!) dyscalculia, my big stumbling block in something else that I'm usually pretty good at - learning languages - is, you've guessed it ... managing to nail the names of numbers. I was wondering if this was going to come up in the list of 20. Maybe it can be 21?? Compared to all other topics in the course, it is embarrassingly noticeable when doing my Pimsleur studying (a method that involves listening and speaking only), that I really fluff it when it comes to saying the numbers, ESPECIALLY if the numbers are connected to telling the time (double whammy!). I get nervous and my brain starts to whir as if I'm actually doing calculations in my head and I feel a real dunce when it happens.
I am not autistic or not even diagnosed officially but i had to give up a lot cause i could not do math at school and it's not that i didn't understand it, it's just i couldn't, my brain did not work when i saw numbers and now when i research about it i get to know about this... I obviously cannot self-diagnose myself but i relate to more then 15 signs told in this video, could i have dyscalculia? Or am i just bad at math and not trying hard enough? But still at this point I'm in school and I had left math, in daily life situations I still struggle with basic calculations and I can't figure out if it's just cause I'm bad at math or dumb or what, i can't even do the calculations which even an uneducated person would... I can't figure out what to do or how to.
I passed advanced math by learning how multiple choice tests were made and what answer was logical. But I'm a spacial thinker so patterns and abstractions are more my thing. I have a Jarvis in my head. I can't do multiplication or division but shapes and spacial awareness. Time is a huge problem problem for me.
Passed my GED by filling in what circle felt right, not by reading and understanding the material on the page. My moms like you can learn you passed your ged you learned that information.. nope not in the slightest!
Interesting topic! My strongest special interest, that has been with me since I can remember, is mathematics. For me it was an abstract world that I understood much better than people around me. I have a master's degree in mathematics. Despite this, I have trouble measuring distances, time, even telling the months in number (I always need to say the months in order to figure out which number it is). Also, date operations are difficult, remembering my age, reading clocks. So, I think I excel in several of these tasks, but suffer with many others. No middle ground.
I have 2 sons on the spectrum. I may be on the spectrum. I have daughters that graduated from college with microbiology and business degrees. My daughters are not autistic, but may have ADHD or ADD. With that said, I’ve always wondered whether we were just not taught well or actually have this condition. One daughter had trouble telling time on an analog clock for years. Same with my oldest son. My other daughter had trouble with number sense. Everything that you have said has touched us at different levels and different ways. I will say that my daughters have mastered all of the higher college maths, way past what I could ever dream of.
Lol i'm learning so much about myself. I once "misread" the amount of cream in a recipie and instead of a gratin i had a cream soup.. I thought i followed the recipie correctly until my boyfriend came to check on me😂 he actually was quite concerned and i got upset because i thought he thinks i'm stupid.. It makes sense now😂
Multiple senses? Yep. I still count on my fingers... fold down until ten, then unfold... then forget. Unless I use an object for sets of, say, ten, or whatever! EEK! Thanks, I've been trying to understand this definition!
"Invented new" mathematics and chemistry so many times 😅. Mirrored reading and writing + mixing up letters and sequences. Great understanding combined with a mess with reproduction of knowledge. It takes so much time to re-check if the "reality" is real. I'm so grateful to my teachers for being understanding and for computers compensating for my blanks in formulas and number sequences. Still struggling in stores and following audio/talk referring to numbers, but that's the deal. I couldn't listen to the whole video, due to the list, sorry❤
I can understand mathematical concepts but I am dyslexic with numbers. I can't even use calculators because I type in the wrong numbers. I can't comprehend large numbers. I also have extreme problems keeping track of time and problems reading clocks. I don't know if I have dyscalculia.
