We needed this, I really enjoyed Count Dooku from start to finish. His story is very cool, his relationship with Qui Gon is beautiful and eventually led him to the dark side. Just a perfect series from the plot standpoint
I wouldn’t say his relationship with Qui-gon led him to the dark side. I’d blame that on the arrogance of the Jedi council. If they had been better at actually being stewards of peace and protecting all then he wouldn’t have grown disillusioned with the Order. But I guess he saw qui-gon’s death as a fault of the council (partly) somehow so I guess there’s that
To be fair, the Jedi Council sucked and everything that happened is because of them. They believed the Sith were eradicated, they sensed the fear and darkness in Anakin and instead of trying to nurture him, pushed him away and caused him to walk down a dark path. Even Dooku himself didn't really see himself as a Sith, but he hated what the Jedi became and wanted to change it. IIRC.
Maybe we can learn from this statement or even apply it to real life scenarios(I’m going to be arrested by the fbi for terrorism and inciting a rebellion)
Mace windu would also be an apprentice out there around this era, only a little younger than qui Gon. The era is so RICH, it NEEDS a live action film, hell a whole trilogy. Lucas set up this generation perfectly in the PT, just like he set up Anakin and Obiwan with the original trilogy
@@PalendromeI agree would love it. But i think animation would be better. It would be the perfect opportunity to keep the likeness of the live action actors as their younger selves with younger voice actors. Like the clone wars and tales of the jedi. Animation suits Star Wars so well
Count Dooku really was unique among dark side users. It wasn't about power for power's sake like Maul or Sidious. It wasn't out of selfishness or possessiveness like Anakin. It was out of righteous anger taken too far. You could rationalize it, but only to a point where you'd have to agree that you are willing to do the wrong thing for the right reasons.
I think it was at first. But at a certain point he definitely just accepted the Dark Side fully and was evil for the fun of it. The Clone Wars has so many scenes were he smiles as he kills innocent people, not to mention what we learned in Bad Batch about Sirenno -Dooku was stealing resources from his own world just like all the corrupt dictators he claimed to hate.
Or... maybe they just made all this up after the fact and Dooku was never a complex character till they ran out of main-line characters to spin off. Lukus didn't even have plans past the original trilogy. The entire clone wars was based off a throw-away line by Old Ben. Don't give these guys too much credit, it's just professional fan fiction. When people over analyze this stuff they set the bar too high and get disappointed. Star Wars was NEVER a masterpiece. It scratched an itch. That's all it was. a casual, everyman's fantacy drama. They used a future easthetic instead of the same old dragons and castles. All good stuff, but this isn't meant to be War and Peace.
@@Rolf-son-of-an-electricianmaybe you don’t know how to look deeper. there are many themes in star wars that can be quite profound to a mind willing and curious to analyze them. this scene alone delves into morality, the nature of man vs. the nature of order’s created by man, and righteousness just to name the few that came to my head. i think you just havent though about star wars like this because it’s not your cup of tea, which is totally fine. some themes resonate more with different people, the themes of star wars just might not resonate with you. i haven’t even enjoyed star wars since the prequels btw, so im not like a crazed sw fan or anything, you’re logic is just dumb. you are taking your point of view and saying it is the definitive viewpoint on star wars, lower your ego a tad. what is wrong with adding backstory for a character long after the character’s introduction? is this not a good thing? we got a good story out of it. i don’t see how this is an issue to you.
@@mapowey7214 You are right about Star Wars having many great themes but the guy you responded to isn’t wrong either. Star Wars is overrated because of its amazing aspects but it has just as many, if not more things that drag it down. The inconsistencies throughout all of the movies to the horrible dialogue in the prequels to the messy plots in the prequels to the decisions certain characters make being downright awful and not making any sense whatsoever. Most of the Star Wars movies are so messy and just aren’t that good overall despite having great specific scenes. But a few scenes can’t save a whole messy movie.
Pretty much everything the show does with him can already be found in the books. Its great that they brought it to the mainstream though, and the episodes themselves were perfectly done.
He was actually the best sith theoretically speaking, because if you haven't noticed he never actually had sith eyes even when he turned on the Jedi, he simply used the dark side as a tool and wasn't corrupted by it. Similar to Darth revan.
@@vothbetilia4862 yea he wasn't really a sith he just thinks the jedi council is corrupted and needed a change. In tales of jedi if mace stepped down and let dooku joined the jedi council he might have never joined palpatine
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 true. Dooku is my favorite character. He's so deep and unique. Just an elegant count trying to save the galaxy from the corrupted republic and falling for the lies of Sidious..
Yeah while he was prideful and arrogant, i don’t think he was inherently “evil” or hooked like a junkie on the dark side. He wasn’t in it for the power I believe, he was there because he was disappointed by the lack of integrity of the senate and the complacency of the jedi counsel as just the republic’s bodyguard. He was just machiavellian in that sense, he though the end justified the means. Again, I don’t see him as evil for the sake of power or love of carnage, he was more of a disappointed idealist.
Cool insight Dooku disdains the word Jedi too, how they blindly comply to the republic instead of the force If someone following the doctrine of the Jedi was put in this situation, they might not be able to prevent the slaughter He hates how powerless they are, and how far they have deviated from the light
Sadly most people think corruption is fake racism, when the reality is that the corruption is believing you can change genders, believing that any race is above another, believing that traditional roles are bad, and the like. The world is too self-centered, we need less TikTok. More natural selection. We need more of people "playing with dynamite and dying because of it." All the stupid people stay alive now.
One of the things I’ve loved about this guy is even though the decisions he made were not the best ones, they are conveyed in such a way that it makes you queation “Could you truly blame him for acting out that way?”
Yeah, this isn't Sideous's naked grabs for domination and power. It's a man who desperately wants to use the authority and strength given to him by the universe to *make it better.* And sometimes, to do that, you have to get your hands dirty.
Dooku never fell to the dark side, he just merely embraced it. He had 100x more control over his emotions and thought patterns than any other sith. I honestly hate when they kill him in the movies.
I actually think his death is beautiful it shows just how Evil but how smart Sidious was. Dooku may have been the better Sithlord than Vader but Anakin was Younger,more powerful and represented more significance to the Jedi and the republic as he was considered their greatest warrior by many. Not to mention it shows us that Sidious was onto Dooku’s scheming right from the start. When he said “kill him” to anakin and Dooku and Palpatine exchanged glances it speaks a thousand words to us basically Sidious saying “you really thought I didn’t know what you where up to.” Dooku flew too close with the sun and played with fire and got burned.
I’d actually argue that dooku is doing what the Jedi SHOULD do in this situation. This guy is obviously oppressing others. And dooku is protecting those who can not protect themselves
@@KyleWallPuncher i personally think the jedi never shouldve allied themselves exclusively with the republic. if their goal is to be peace keepers for the galaxy. they instantly fail that mission when the republic goes to war with some other faction by refusing to aid the other side. you want to be peace keepers you have to help both sides.
@@KyleWallPuncher you think killing is some morally reprehensible thing, regardless of the circumstances. That kind of thinking is naive. What do batman and the jedi have in common? Kill a few to save a thousand, and they are to self righteous to do what must be done.
@@chase1146 well yeah the ajedi have fallen and became just as corrupt as the republic over thr thousands years. we can say that the "scholar" class of Jedi have been slowly removing and changing the true jedi ways due to alien creatures who truly can live like robots took over. this is why the green jedi while a little arrogant had the right path forward.
Turns out it's all Yodas fault. He trained dooku who trained quigon who trained obi wan who trained Anakin. If yoda had been a little better soo er he could have cut palpatines apprentices in half.
I sympathize with Dooku, he had very good intentions and unlike other Jedi was actually doing something to try and bring peace, sure he ended up in a bad place, but he had the intention of trying to make things better for everyone, he has the true heart of a Jedi, unlike the council
A Dooku quote to Anakin Skywalker after Anakin said to the Count, "My powers have doubled since we last met, Count!" Dooku's response: "Twice the pride, double the fall".
The way I had a fucking stroke reading this just walked into a funky comment section slowly dying with no reaction and pushed myself away when I tried to stop commenting but I couldn’t 🥶🥶🥶Damn
It’s about accurate from what I would expect of a Jedi knight of that calibre just suddenly unlocking their dark side understanding and potential It’s like giving a mma black belt the morals of a misguided street vigilante
I really enjoyed this scene because when you hear the force choke sound effect, you're so used to hearing the imperial march. But then you don't and you remember that we're witnessing Dooku's fall, not Anakin's. Although they almost mirror each other in the way both grow so tired of the council's bs.
The whole Dooku arc was beautiful in ToJ. It really emphasized how important Qui-Gon was to Dooku as an apprentice and a surrogate son. If Qui-Gon wasn't there to stop him in that moment, I have no doubt that Dooku would have killed that corrupt senator. With how rampant corruption had been, I have no doubt that Dooku was already fed up with all the injustices that had been going on in the Galaxy.
Except where Anakin lost control of his emotions, Dooku you can see he has some control over his, he had a good cause for being on the dark side, it's pretty much the "Anti-Hero" art of storytelling where Dooku's actions while honorable can be viewed by the masses as something evil. Even in the short Dooku doesn't even try to kill any of the other guards he knocks them down keeping them alive, Anakin however went to massacre an entire village leaving zero survivors, similar to what would have happened to the village in the clip by the guy Dooku was force choking.
@@cursedhawkins1305 i assume your example is of sand "people", if it was anything else then you would be right however those animals are pests and should be treated as such
@@adjcsee4476 True enough. Though I already respected his earlier works, I gained a whole order of magnitude greater appreciation when I had to use a wrist-breaker sabre and period costume for a play. It was a struggle to sell it and try to make it look convincing without hurting myself or the other actors.
Quai-Gon has died, which Dooku's fallin... Remember the story of Quai-Gon & Dooku gay relationship. As the the 'New Canon' has stated. Just like you said, attachment leads to the dark side...
You really get so many layers of Count Dooku with this version. He remains stoic while connecting his anger to his power making him stronger, while looking calm and unbeaten. Then he has the whole judge dredd vibe going on where he maybe evil asf but he tries to be good Truly a well planned character
Quai-Gon has died, which Dooku's fallin... Remember the story of Quai-Gon & Dooku gay relationship. As the the 'New Canon' has stated. Just like you said, attachment leads to the dark side... My stick is better than bacon.
@@greatninja2590 He saw the Jedi weren’t what they once were. So he decided to join the power that manipulated him into fighting for “Order, and Peace”
Some things that the Jedi had forgotten by the end of the Old Republic are their roots and the understanding of a true peacekeeper. Keeping the peace may mean you have to embrace violence if and once you have exhausted all other options. Dooku just embraced the dark side as well
it's amazing how a character as secondary as dooku was at the time and who is not usually the type of character who is given a backstory can give them such a good backstory
Dooku has always had a backstory, all that tales did is put it front and center and dumb down his fall to be much more obvious to a viewer. See the example below from the prequel novelizations: The Jedi Order's problem is Yoda. No being can weild that kind of power for centuries without becoming complacent at best or corrupt at worst. He has no idea that it's overtaken him; he no longer sees all the little cumulative evils that the republic tolerates and fosters, from slavery to endless wars, and he never asks, "Why are we not acting to stop this?" Live alongside corruption for too long and you no longer notice the stench. The Jedi cannot help the slaves of Tatooine but they can help the slavemasters. -Dooku, speaking with Sidious
@@LordMazilar I know perfectly well that Dooku had a story and had read it, however, until you see it in a series or movie, it's more difficult to empathize than when they animate it that well, that's what I wanted to say. On the other hand, I don't really know what you're saying, but blaming Yoda for everything that happened seems a bit exaggerated, when Yoda was a victim of the circumstances and context in which he grew up and for this reason it was not until the second film that he began to see it.
I'm still in shock how I can fall in love with Dooku again with even more reason why the way they animated his expressions through the episodes of him WHERE SO BEAUTIFUL. His fall is a tragic Tale. Unlike greed or power for power he was tired of the endless corruption, the Jedi being tools to the machine was a rotten core in his side that wound him deeply. As he did things that would leave him ashamed and In pain he still believed in his ideals that he is on the right path. A Jedi who fell for wanting to do something right, who's pain was his key to his fall. A tragic Villian in my eyes.
@@suumcuique4530 hmmm 🤔 I forget if Vader and Skywalker where separate personalities before or after Disney Buy. But never the less It's still WOOHOO AMAZING 😍
This is why count dooku reminds me of the high jedi era where they did whatever was good by any cause killing etc the jedi's now are scared to kill when there is a right if people were harmed
This scene is so good. I'm having trouble stopping myself from rewatching this. The music and the change in Dooku's facial expression when he gets serious after he saw those behind him were struggling to survive. That was so good. This shows how Dooku only became serious and resorted to his harsh act out of a desperation to help people, not because he is a murderer or evil. Out of a pure desire to help and protect.
Why bro we’ve got more than enough of him he literally just had a series come out not long ago surely there’s other people in the universe you’d rather see it would be an overflow of shit we’ve already seen if they were to bring the same characters back over and over again you can only do it so many times
Out of all the amazing jedi that could have their stories fleshed out more like Dooku’s. I personally think we’ve seen enough of Kenobi. I’d rather spend time seeing Fisto or another jedi people love and we just don’t see enough of.
Actually I read a book series with this exact story obi wan wasn't wanted by any jedi as a padawan so he was almost kicked out of the order and somehow got a slave collar stuck on him I don't remember exactly but it was a good read
What's greater than our iconic beloved legend Sir Christopher Lee further cementing his epic legacy by being such a deeply compelling Star Wars character as well? Born to be a Count.
Dooku was quite a realist and saw the Republic for what it had become. Lazy, bloated, and corrupt at every level. As opposed to the rest of the Jedi who were so focused on their dogma to notice, much less care about the true state of the galaxy.
The best villains aren't the ones you have no barrier to hate. They're the ones that make the dark, quiet bit deep inside you whisper "they're right, you know?" Those are the villains that really compel us, because we know that we could very well become them, if ever we find ourselves in their place.
Honestly the disney take in Tales isn't anything NEW about Dooku that we didn't already know. It's just dumbed down to the point where anyone can grok it. His motivations from the novelization of the prequel trilogy, for example: The Jedi Order's problem is Yoda. No being can weild that kind of power for centuries without becoming complacent at best or corrupt at worst. He has no idea that it's overtaken him; he no longer sees all the little cumulative evils that the republic tolerates and fosters, from slavery to endless wars, and he never asks, "Why are we not acting to stop this?" Live alongside corruption for too long and you no longer notice the stench. The Jedi cannot help the slaves of Tatooine but they can help the slavemasters.
This philosophy created the “antihero” and that’s why it’s by far the superior storytelling device. There are very few people who are “comic book” or “Bond villain” evil, all of us have a darkness within that empathizes with the antihero and like you said we can become him that’s what attracts us to these stories.
Meh, Evil villains are just as good, in no point did I ever think Sidious or Sauron were even remotely close to anything resembling being “right” yet they’re still some of the best villains there are
There was more to Dooku than anyone knew especially when he saw what others were too lazy or too ignorant to acknowledge. Dooku stared into the abyss and didn't blink, even though he knew that the path he walked afterwards would be that of a villain or a necessary evil of sorts.
He is one of my favorite Jedi/Sith, even until his death he never was fully on the dark side the very reason why he was never seen fully as a Sith by his Master. Because even though most of his ways could be considered evil, his heart was in the right place, he could have been easily saved as well had the right person had helped him during certain times of his life.
Dooku is in many ways a perfect sympathetic villain because the /only/ reason that he becomes the villain is that the story isn't about him. Flat out. Dooku didn't join the Sith to become a true Sith. Dooku joined Sidious because Sidious promised him change, and he began to undermine sidious once he realized that Sidious' 'change' was little better. Dooku is the dark path for "With great power comes great responsibility." He lived and died by that motis, and it's the fault of the POV character being Anakin that we see him die. Here's him talking about the Jedi to Sidious, in one of the prequel novelizations. The Jedi Order's problem is Yoda. No being can weild that kind of power for centuries without becoming complacent at best or corrupt at worst. He has no idea that it's overtaken him; he no longer sees all the little cumulative evils that the republic tolerates and fosters, from slavery to endless wars, and he never asks, "Why are we not acting to stop this?" Live alongside corruption for too long and you no longer notice the stench. The Jedi cannot help the slaves of Tatooine but they can help the slavemasters. He doesn't repeat the classic spider-man mantra word for word but it's pretty much exactly the core message; Dooku fell because he believed the Jedi had a moral obligation they were not fulfilling. And in the novelization for revenge of the sith, Yoda realizes duirng his battle with Sidious the exact thing that Sidious is preaching above. Yoda realizes that the Jedi had become complacent and were blind to the idea that their great enemy had not done so
This is masterful. And in fact dooku knew he was turning into the darkside moment he force choked him and when quigon tried to intervene he just pushed him so denying a conflict with his padawan while he is going to do what is necessary but permitted by the jedi rule. A true masterpiece..
It really is amazing to think how powerful Jedi actually are. And how tempting it must be to use that power. The mental fortitude required to not abuse the power you were given is amazing it really is a wonder that there aren’t more fallen jedi.
This was one of my FAVORITE Star Wars things of all time. We finally get to see Dooku’s relatable, understandable, and ideological motivations behind working with Sidious. Not only this, but I just absolutely loved this Roman-like idea of a Senator leading an army within his region for his own agenda and even coming into conflict with a Jedi. When Ranulph Tarkin began building the ORSF (Outland Region Security Force), it bred fears on Coruscant of empire building, which is such a human/historical idea that I love to see. And this is another example of that. So good!
Dooku has been my favorite character ever since I read the novelization of Episode 3, and realized how complex of a character he is. I’m glad Disney is finally giving him some love, and more people get to see how cool he is.
This honestly just goes to show how *fucking terrifying* the Jedi Knights are. The fact that even a Padawan can annihilate an entire squad before they can fire even a single shot is crazy
Dooku represents what the jedi should have been standing for. They can still stand for peace, but must know that they have to eradicate evil forces to maintain peace. Not just the sith. And learning both the light and dark sides of the force brings a better balance within the force.
The dark side isn't something to balence, it is unbalance itself. The force in its natural state is like a healthy body. The dark side is the name given to a cancerous growth that forms when someone uses the force selfishly. A body is not in balance when half of it is healthy and the other half is horribly deformed by tumors.
and you know what that's actually what surprises me about the Jedi in reality cuz there's Pirates bounty hunters enslave Traders all three of those groups and other terrorist organizations have attacked the Jedi Council or Republic but the Jedi choose not to get involved unless it has something to do with the separatist directly
This scene was so powerful. It was heartbreaking to see these people who had been suffering for so long be fired upon and Dooku put himself in the middle to try and save them.
I just noticed how Dooku not only chokes him, but stops him from completing his sentence. The attention to detail in some of these Star Wars series is so in-depth. Bravo to the team that worked on this.
the subtle image of him shifting the blue lightsaber from one side of his face to the other, almost signifying his change from light to dark is a very nice touch.
