Covenant Theology Compared to Dispensationalism 

This is my first encounter with your channel and the sorting out of these theologies! Great job sharing the points of views and some jarring questions with each...lol!! Brain is cramping as I continue on my journey of knowing God and His Word!😄 Thank you for replying to my other comments down the page. Eager to hear more of your videos....new subscriber! God Bless!

Hello Pastor Tanner, thank you for this video. It is wonderful that you could provide such a succinct and objective review.

Many Christians argue and divide over these issues yet in the end, it doesn't really matter. Will one be punished for taking a position? No. Will one be sinful for taking a position? No. The same goes for eschatology.

“Do you like?” Probably the least important question in studying theology. What I like, what interests me means nothing. What does the Bible teach? That is the appropriate question.

I'm glad you are looking into this.

Fantastic content brother. This was very helpful and informative. Thanks

Thank you for posting this video! It was the most straightforward and helpful presentation of the spectrum of perspectives on Covenantal and Dispensational theology I have found so far. The charts and tables help! 👍 It is encouraging to further my study! Praise the Lord for ministers, pastors and teachers of the truth of God's Word! 📖 God is faithful to help us understand all matters pertaining to life and godliness, and no matter if I struggle to understand each perspective, I trust the truth of His Word completely, and what He has revealed to me thus far. Only one position can be the correct one, and so I believe He will help me come to understand what I need to know, ultimately in His time. P.S.- also 👉 Your reference to Hebrews 8 is just what I was looking for! 👌 It's amazing how many of the those discussing these things on RU-vid RARELY reference Scripture, particularly in their discussion of Dispensationalism and Eschatology. It's mostly reasoning on presuppositions, rather than expositing the Word. I know that take time, but I would prefer exposition to discussions that are over my head!

Pastor Tanner, it appears you've given a very fair exposition. Very informative!! Thank you for taking a reasoned look without putting forward your view in a domineering manner.

This is so informative. Thank you!

Great video as usual. I did a search and I've got this book as a sleeper :-) Going to have a read. Thanks

This video is almost a year old and I'm only now finding it. I'm probably more of a Reformed Baptist Covenant Theology guy (I graduated from Reformed Baptist Seminary with a Master of Theological Studies). I agree with the covenants being progressive at least insofar as they are progressively revelatory, but that most of them are limited to the first book of the Torah as supporting the Mosaic Covenant indicates that their importance at being progressively revelatory ended with Moses. More significant than whether one is literalistic or figurative is to what extent we allow our systematic theology to inform our exegesis. In discussions with our Presbyterian brothers I've questioned their use of certain passages and have gotten the answer that we have to use our systematic theology to exegete these passages. That's not a good thing. Rather, it's important to exegete first and then adjust the system accordingly, even if we have to dismiss significant aspects of dearly held beliefs - like paedobaptism. I'm teaching a class on this this summer at church entitled "Why We're Baptists" and it goes into the history of the development of credobaptism in the English Reformation. I won't have some of the detail you have here, but it's good to hear that someone else is making the same kinds of observations I am.

This was really good!

This video is amazing thnks tanner im definitely gonna order that book and save this video 🙏🙏❤️❤️

Thank you. It's so hard to find material that isn't clearly biased in one direction of the other. You treated a tough subject fairly.

Thank you, brother. I agree with most of the comments below, in that I appreciate your gracious and informative approach. I am a 73-year-old believer who has never been to seminary, but was a teaching elder at my church for more than 30 years. That church is squarely in the traditional dispensational camp. Further, the deep dive that I have personally taken into the prophecy of Isaiah for about the past 10 years has strengthened my own position in dispensationalism. For example, how can we say that the many promises that God made to Israel, particularly in ch. 40-66 of Isaiah, are not really to literal ethnic Israel, but are to the church? If God really didn't mean what those original hearers heard, how can we, the church, believe the beautiful promises of Romans 8, for example, are to us, the church? Maybe God didn't really mean that either! John Piper (no dispensationalist!) also makes this argument, from my recollection, as he goes into Romans 9.

This is helpful. TY

That was excellent, concise and well organized. Personally, it was a little surprising! For decades I have associated dispensationalism with the pretribulation rapture teaching, which I hold to be a significant error. I have seen people use a dispensational structure as a pseudo context for supporting a few end time features and events. I may not have given dispensationalism it’s self a fair shake because of this association. I am not currently studying dispensationalism, but if I do in the future, I am likely to purchase the book you referred to. I just stumbled onto your youtube channel. I am going to watch the video again later, but more closely. I was eating dinner when I watched it just now, so I did not give it my full attention. Thank you for your time!

As a dispensationalist (but not in the mainstream sense), I very much enjoyed your clear and fair explanations of each position. Thank you for an excellent and well done video.

Even though I don’t hold your personal position, I liked the video because you gave a good big picture view of the positions. I also agree with your Hebrews 8 observation, although I think we see it differently. When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is BECOMING obsolete and GROWING old is READY TO disappear. - Hebrews 8:13 It sounds like at the time of the writing of the book of Hebrews, the Old Covenant was still in effect. This lines up with what Jesus said: For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. - Matthew 5:18

Fantastic breakdown! Thank you

As much as it’s “super enlightening” to Ps Tanner, it is “super illuminating and inspiring” for me to weigh further into my theology of these two positions. Good concise and honest opinion of Ps Tanner!

This was very helpful. Dispensationalist here!

This commentary is very helpful. Baptists seem to me to be so religious that they turn off would be converts. As a former Unitarian Universalist, I know Jesus is the answer to all of my questions. These topics seem to be very divisive. You are blazing an important “peace agreement”among those who seek to be “right” and divide us. God bless your efforts 🙏

Well-put sir! Speaking from a baptistic perspective, I think you cover this well.

After 48 years of biblical research, I still feel dispensationalism is the better view. Chafer/ Geisler/ Ryrie / Walvoord are great authors to read. Blessings to covenant theologians as well since we are all part of the body of Christ. ✝️👍❤️

Very helpful!

Applying for a youth pastor job and they asked in their questioniare, "Would you consider yourself dispensational in your approach to the Scriptures..." This video may have got me a job!! LOL Seriously though, fantastic handling of the issue. Thank you so much for posting

Well done Brother.

The method of one’s hermeneutic will determine one’s argumentation of what the text means

Hi I am a new Christian, only been 6 months but the hours I’ve been pouring in are more than a full time job. What I have learned is every Christian I’ve met has a different angle and they all believe they are right. Well this was news to me. I’ve been trying to not become a part of the division but at the same time categorize each view. Now I stumbled into this subject and I now see this is what I’m craving to dive in to and better understand and it will greatly help me not only take my own place in these categories but place others views in their appropriate place on the spectrum. Thanks!

Ok I am more to the left but ask is there a distinction between the eschatological aspect and the soteriological aspect of National vs Spiritual Israel. I have strongly left dispensationalism but if I make a promise to you, can I later reapply it to Larry? Each view asks questions and has weaknesses to their positions.

Excellent video 🙏👍

What could I read to understand the reformed Baptist 1689 stance?

Thank you

This is a very clear and interesting video. What does Covenantal Theology do with Ezekiel 36 and Psalm 102?

Question, what's the difference between Reformed Baptist Covenant Theology and New Covenant Theology? I go to a church that considers themselves reformed Baptist but teach New Covenant theology.

Something in this video at minute 5:07 is very important that we define. What are the last days and end times; not defined by 20th century Christians but defined by the Bible?

I appreciate your even handed approach to a very difficult topic. I land towards the middle of this spectrum but lean towards dispensation lism, Because the text itself needs to interpret itself. Augustine is the one who started us on the idea of spiritualizing the text, and that always leads to trouble. God's word should speak for itself. But traditional dispensationalism Leads to many problems especially when it comes to the end times. All I can tell the viewers is to study for themselves. And do not just depend on what your pastor tells you.

I appreciate your work and excellent presentation. Thank you! It seems to me this continuum of thought could be attributed to Greek minds attempting to fully understand the mind of God. I'm not sure if that's a profitable adventure for man's intellect or new life in Christ. Godspeed and continued blessings in your life.

I have recently been introduced into this world of all the various theologies. I truly find that I can see each point but cannot say I agree that any are an absolute.

The Mosaic covenant is described in Gal 3 - a temporary addendum to reveal sin.

In discussing the topic of Hermeneutics as related to Eschatology I've frequently found Dispensationalists to be wildly inconsistent with the "literal" hermeneutic. I couldn't tell you how many times I've been chastised for "spiritualizing" the text when I point out that the author (most often the Apostle Paul) is "spiritualizing" the text. It seems to me that the Dispensational viewpoint does not define "literal" in a literal sense. How many definitions of literal are there?

Great graph, but did you have to put the smart guys on the left? It seems so... backwards.

Tanner, have you ever heard Michael Vlach's position on the subject of covenant theology vs Dispensational theology. And it was pretty easy to tell what position you held to when you were describing both positions. Was easy to tell the way you were describing Dispensationalism that you are more on the side of covenant theology. :)

I also would highly recommend the 4-views book. Clarified a lot of things for me. Snoeberger (the guy who represents the Trad Disp position) is my ST professor. Great man! Though I don’t agree with him on everything I think he represents Dispensationalism well.

The bigger question that nobody is asking: who are the people that possess the land nation of Israel? Are these real jews or are the like Jesus called in Revelation, those who call themselves Jews but are of Satan? A historical deep dive of who Jesus is referring to in Revelation 2 plays heavily into deciding where you are on this scale.

If you want to know if the book of Revelation is linear or cyclical, decide what happens in a story when the author says "and then" before and after events....

I adhere to the Westminster confession of faith because I being a presby believe in the covenant theology.

What a great, neutral, fair minded video. You got yourself a new subscriber

Excellent breakdown, Tanner. Well done! I found myself bouncing from one side of your chart to the other, never finding a solid spot. I affirm Biblical Theology over Systematic, but I'm confident God is not done with Israel. I better get back to my studies.

Israel is the church which is the ecclesia, and this is comprised of both Jewish and former Gentile believers being born into the body of Christ as they were in the book of Acts, and in keeping the commandments as both the prophets and the apostles did. So where does this belief stand in this?

Please do a refutation of mid-acts Pauline Dispensationalism. Justin Johnson is a prominent figure in this sect. Interested in your thoughts on it! Thanks!

I’m afraid I’ve fallen off the right side of the scale. I’m one of those Mid-Acts Dispensationalists.

Very elucidative. I'm not sure where I stand, pastor, but when I think of what the people of God went through in Exodus ( the red sea, the water, etc) I think that their eyes will still open for God one day. The LORD promissed a great deal of Land that wasn't acquired, much the opposite, the enemies took their land. I believe Israel (and here I'm giving value to the Earth Israel because God always amazes us in a Time that is not ours and takes forever for us, but He knows what He does.

9:05: Nestle Aland text, why aren't you using the Textus Receptus?

A separate line of enquiry: predestination, and the extent to which each view buys into that.

Covenant theologians read the text literate-ly; that is, we read literally unless the genre is poetic/apocalyptic/symbolic, etc.

Great vid. Thanks. Question. Im sure you would agree that in 70AD God judged Israel and scattered them. Is it not inconsistent to say their regathering is unrelated to God's plan? If God did not regather them, then who did? Does Jesus not say "you will fall by the sword and be taken captive into all the nations UNTIL THE TIME OF THE GENTILES IS COMPLETE". Does Paul not say "Do not be ignorant of the mystery lest you take these promises for yourself, Israel has received a hardening of heart UNTIL THE TIME OF THE GENTILES IS COMPLETE".

This is all over my head

Renald Showers book "There is a difference" addresses the differences as well. He's with the Lord now but he still has some lectures on YT.

As far as "spiritualizing" the Old Testament promises, take a look at how the New Testament writers interpret the OT scriptures and see if they interpret them "historically" or "spiritually." Examples Acts 2:16-39, Hebrews 4 (especially 4:3).

ALSO, it IS NOT WhERE DO WE FALL INTO THESE DEFINITIONS, BUT WHAT DOES THE WORD ACTUALLY SAY and we then follow that.

Almost everyone missed that Romans 2 deals with Jews while Romans 9-11 is about the House of Israel and the two are not the same. Dah.

"The Fatal Flaw of the theology behind infant baptism" by Jeffery D. Johnson. A good place to start investigating Reformed Baptist Covenant theology.

Great presentation; All that you speak of is very important; I didn’t know about either Covenant Theology or Dispensationalism; Over the last decade I have spent much time studying Scripture from beginning to end and have landed pretty solidly in the dispensationalist camp; I came upon a very interesting study that will take me a long time but, is well worth the effort: Beyond Calvinism and Arminianism: An Inductive Mediate Theology of Salvation Book by C. Gordon Olson

For a thorough perspective and teaching of baptist covenant theology read "Covenant Theology from Adam to Christ" by Nehamiah Coxe. It also has John Owen's exposition of Hebrews 8:8-12. It will answer alot of the questions you posed at the end of your video

Everyone is a dispensationalist and a covenant believer . The old and new testaments are two different dispensations and old and new testaments(covenants)

If I may ask, has Christianity become boufet-style?

I was told that Dispensational theology had to only do with eschatology. Not salvation, justification, baptism, etc. 🤷‍♂️

This was very interesting and informative. I have seen a few videos of people taking one view or the other, but never really defining either. So, the spectrum was helpful. However, important facts are ignored by those of both extremes. For example, you brought up Hebrews 8. Verses 1 through 7 are discussing the Messiah as the High Priest who is better qualified for the office than any human before Him. The word 'covenant' has been inserted in verse 7, but it is not there in ancient texts. That contributes to the errant interpretation. Verse 8 says 'they' had a fault, not 'it.' The men of the priesthood were subject to human weakness. 'They' had faults, not the covenant. In verse 8, we see a reference to Jeremiah 31:31. It says, "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord." Notice that it was NOT a failure of the covenant. It was a failure of the people. They did not continue. They chose to not obey. What modern Christianity conveniently ignores in that passage is that there are NO Gentiles mentioned in that new covenant. When it comes to Torah observance, Christians always say, "that was only for Israel." Well, this passage specifcally mentions Israel and Judah, and does NOT mention any Gentiles. Yet, Christians claim it for themselves. I notice Christians are big on Old Testament blessings, but not so interested in the instructions that secure those blessings. But, I digress. One either joins Israel as the people of YHVH, or they remain pagans. Ephesians 2:11-22 says that the Messiah has taken people who were once called strangers (Gentiles) and turned them into fellow citizens (Israelis) so that there would be only ONE Body of the Messiah. The dogma of humans has been abolished. All people can now enjoy the promises made to Israel. Without joining them we cannot claim those promises or their Messiah. That's not how it works. Israel is the people who belong to YHVH. The 'nations' have other gods. Israel was the Bride of the Messiah for more than 1,000 years before Jesus showed up. Jesus said 'workers of iniquity,' or 'workers without the Torah,' who do works in His Name are the ones He doesn't know. They use His Name, but they do not obey His Father's instructions. Instead, they rename pagan feasts and claim they are about Jesus. That is exactly what Jesus' Father said NOT to do. That is why Jesus doesn't know them. He cannot be intimate with people who rebel against His Father. Revelation 18:1-6 Who is being called out of Babylon? Who is being told in the end of days to not partake of her sins? Who is being warned that her judgment has come? The answer to all those questions is "my people." YHVH is saying that his people are partaking in the sins of Babylon, and they too will be destroyed if they choose to not escape.

Why was this framed as “do you like- then this is for you”? Why isn’t this framed as “what does the Bible teach clearly”? How is this a dispensational view and not simply a sola scriptural view?

Good video. I will say that books are not needed, pray, read your Bible, pray, read your Bible, pray. It is very clear.

Hey I just found you. Are you reformed?

If God is done with the Kingdom of Israel why when the disciples asked Jesus in Acts 1:6-7 , “Lord, are you restoring the Kingdom of Israel at this time? He said to them “ It’s is not for you to know the times or seasons that the Father has set by his own authority “ if the Kingdom of Israel was done why would Jesus not say no Gods not going to restore Israel that was the previous covenant? Also if God is done with Israel why is throne called David’s throne? Why is our future home called the New Jerusalem? This is why I don’t think God is done with Israel.

The Church is, and has always been, the TRUE Israel. Neither is a "parentheses". God's dealings and covenants with ethnic Israel was a SHADOW of the substance to come.

Covenant theology hinges on the Greek word καί. Which if you interpret it the way covenant theology replacement theology or reformed theology you get a completely different meaning of Israel which would make the Old Testament completely wrong.

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Good job. Some regular folks go to church all their lives, yet don't know about topics such as dispensationalism, gap theory, etc. I was one of them. I came across these topics only a month ago. They are fascinating. I'd say I fall in the dispensationalism camp and believe in the gap theory, and KJV is the way to go. Dr. Gene Kim is a hardcore dispensationalist who's opened my eyes.

I probably err on the side of a literal reading of Jeremiah 31, in which the NC is cut with the Jewish ppl.

Paul solves this problem in Hebrews 11.

You know Irenaeus was the first Dispensationalist. Against Heresies book 4, chapter 36. And many other chapters

What must I do to be saved? I don't have time to learn all this stuff. Much learning, destroys the basic man.

I am pretty much cradle Baptist Also dispenationist, premalinlist. It’s not how much Bible you have read. So both sides have read the Bible but do not enterpret it the same.

People would do well to study Eastern "Greek" Theology, Soteriology and the inescapably related views of the nature of the Covenant and Eschatology too... Remembering that it was through the first Ecumenical Councils that God guided His People through the disputes of the time and solidified certain doctrinal "boundaries". The East, subsequently, has zero time for novel Dispensationalism etc. ✌️

Great video until about minute 10 when his position becomes crystal clear (is there any other kind!), and his subtle jabs at Covenant Theology begin.

Based on the chart you used on the Israel/Church Relationship - I am a Dispensationalist. I keep coming back to the fact that my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is Jewish and that according to Romans 11:11-24 God is NOT done with Israel: 1) "Have they (Israel) stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not!" 2) v17 ... "Some of the branches were broken off and you being a wild olive tree were grafted in among them". 3) For Romans 9:6b, "For they are not all Israel who are of Israel". Jews (Israel) aren't saved because they are Jewish (just like not all Americans are Christians; not all people who go to church are saved). Before the Cross, Jews are saved only when they believe in the Promises of God (OT) (Abraham). And after the Cross, that Jesus Christ is their Messiah (NT). NOT trying to convince anyone to agree with me ... just a quick synopsis of why I am a Dispensationalist. @PastorTanner ... you did an excellent job as always! Keep these videos coming! I believe one of the problems with the modern Church is that most people do not know what they believe. Ask most "Christians" what the Gospel is, and they can't tell you what the Bible says (it doesn't matter what anything else says it is!). They give some incoherent explanation. For something as important as ones Eternal future and knowing who the Bible says Jesus Christ is - you'd like to think "Christians" would know at least these two things!!!

I grew up amongst Darbyite Brethren and typology was very strong, whereas authorial intent was almost of no consequence. There was a very strong reaction against sectarianism. One body on earth and one head in heaven. Though Catholicism was rejected, their baptism was fully accepted. Household baptism was practiced widely but was not a rule.

Is there danger in interpreting scripture in a generally literal way? After all, we read most literature in a literal way unless the metaphorical or typical is relatively obvious in the intent of the author. Why should we read the Bible differently? Also, is it not safer to interpret in a literal sense? You would not read your car manual in anything other than a literal sense. To read it otherwise would be very dangerous indeed. Here is another thought. OT books like Zechariah become meaningless unless read literally. In covenant theology, 10 men will never take hold of the coat of a Jew and say let us go up to Jerusalem to celebrate the feast of tabernacles because we know that the Lord is with you. So, why did YHWH give this specific prophecy to Zechariah? Why did He give him the whole prophecy? I will tell you why I am a dispensationalist. It is because of the feasts of YHWH. They are dispensational. Israel's timeline begins with the passover and ends with the feast of tabernacles. Until I see those 10 gentiles attached to one who is of national Israel headed to Jerusalem for the feast of tabernacles in the millennial kingdom, I know that God is not finished with Israel.

Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 10. Watch the RU-vid video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church: “The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?

And once again God reminded me that He made an eternal covenant with His people Israel. This time, God reminded me as I read the birth accounts of John the Baptist and Jesus in Luke where Zechariah, John's father, while filled with the Holy Spirit , made this declaration... " To show mercy to our fathers and to REMEMBER HIS HOLY COVENANT, the OATH He swore to our father Abraham..." Luke 1:72-73 . What covenant would that be? " On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abraham and said, " To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates..." Genesis 15:18. No one can deny that that part of Dispensationalism is TRUE....and that Covenantalism has it wrong, ...Israel is not the Church.

I want to start out, by thanking you for your time and clarity in explaining this. However, I believe Our Lord hates all of this (there’s waaay too much in-fighting). Obedience of HIS Word isn’t meant to have a beginning or end. And trying to nail down an infinite beings infinite message is, ultimately futile, anyways so. I understand the rationale, behind it all, this video is well-done and very useful…just my thoughts. God Bless You All In Jesus Name.

On the land promises see Gary Burges book JESUS AND THE LAND.

O.T. believers died and went to the pleasant side of sheol and stayed there until Jesus died and let them out to follow him to heaven. Believers since Christ's resurrection go straight to heaven when they die. O.T. believers were guided by the Holy Spirit, but they were not indwelled by him. Believers since Christ's resurrection are indwelled by the Holy Spirit. Those are both major differences. So major that they illustrate different dispensations. God threatened to cut off Israel for rebelliousness, but he also said that he was Israel's husband, and he hates divorce. He will honor his promises to Israel. God has never considered non-believing Jews to be an integral part of Israel, but many non-believing Jews play a role in keeping Israel alive from generation to generation. When Jesus returns, God will convert many non-believing Jews into believers when they see him coming down from heaven. They will populate the millennium along with non-Jews who God will also convert at his return. God is following his plan to demonstrate his glory, and man's depravity. The different dispensations are like different scientific experiments to see how mold grows on different foods. Mankind ends up rebelling in every experiment, and that highlights God's mercy on us.

A great overview, but it becomes obvious that they are all missing the point. Thats why new covenant theology is the most logical, biblical and true. Im surprised that it doesn’t get more air time.

"Do you believe strongly in an original literalist hermeneutic? Do you believe that we should take the scriptures how they read at face value, and just read them as literally as possible then dispensationalism is probably right for you. There's a very strong focus on authorial intent when it comes to dispensationalism, and that comes through very, very strongly." That is the only way to read the Bible.

Its becoming apparent that there is ignorance surrounding the dispensation of Grace.

I refuse any of those labels and stick to what I can see plainly written in the Word for doctrine. I may have some opinions besides that but I do not pass them off as scripture. A person may have beliefs from different categories listed and not necessary be locked into just one. Better to stick to what Jesus and the apostles taught and be skeptical of man made theology that is otherwise especially when its carries a name of a person for the ism.

I'm a theonomist. I take the land promise seriously and I see that Gal 3:16 states that ALL of the promises given to Abraham were bestowed on Christ in particular as heir, NOT the Jews in general. From the Parable of the Wicked Husbandment, the Cursing of the Fig Tree, the broken branches, the blood curse, Romans 2:28-29, Gal 3:28 - 29, the New Testament is clear - national Israel was destroyed and Christ instituted a New Covenant with the gentile nations. Christ, as heir to all of the promises is True Israel and the church are co-heirs in Christ.

👑Genesis 12:3 ❤ Matthew 25 31-46👑 ✝️ Christians speak of scriptures as being this or that as a salvation 🛐 issue, here 👑 Jesus made this a salvation issue 🛐 issue Himself in Matthew 25 31-46 🇮🇱 😊No teasing out scriptures or extrapolations needed, it's as plain as the Sun shine 😊 👑 Jesus made this a salvation 🛐 issue in Matthew 25 31-46 🇮🇱 and before He returns I'd recommend ministering the same love ❤God bless you on your journey ❤

I'm just a Christian God's word through the Holy Spirit is all I need. Stop fighting each other and get on with bringing his word to the lost.