Cranbourne Carnage: More dramatic falls in Victorian jumps racing 

Most horrible thing ever Whoever invented this clearly didn’t have a brain or horse sense

I didn't know that! The only horse race i have ever attended is the blockhouse steeple chase in tryon, NC. Its just a thing people go to to tailgate and dress nice. They don't even watch the race. And I knew a few of the jockeys! so-and-sos mom. That kind of thing. I work in dog sled racing now. Its CRUEL AF. I really get now how something can be so cruel, but people not really knowing or understanding what they are seeing. Normalized animal cruelty. Whether the people doing it realize its cruel or not. I think thats largely what is happening in dog sled racing. People just don't see the wrong it it. I think its because they are just doing it the way they were taught, the way its always been done, these people probably got INTO horses from working in a stable that kept racing horses. So they get indoctrinated into THAT particular disciplines culture. And its not like most of these people are EVIL or anything. More ignorant i guess.... Im trying to get dog sled racing banned though. Theres really no way to regulate it and theres ALOT of messed up stuff that happens behind the scenes. Its not illegal to treat these dogs like shit. Sled dogs are considered livestock. You can run the piss out of them and it not be animal abuse. But back home in SC id go to jail for it.

doggo doggo yeah, we need to end dog sled racing, and horse racing period. Jockeys drug up horses (these horses are only 2 years old) so they can’t feel the pain of their ligaments tearing, muscles straining, and breaking bones. They also beat their horses during the race, and if they don’t win, the will most likely go to the slaughterhouse and be turned into cat food. People suck.

@@chrishale1345 Sled dogs poop blood from gastric ulcers and lesions. Its SUPER COMMON. They HAVE died from it. But mushers give them over the counter PPRIs during racing to prevent that. That is what the ISDVMA recommends. If you didn't, more of them would shit blood to death. But if you do, they can run even faster and farther and NOT die! Yay! lol those are the "leaps and bounds" in veterinary medicine people talk about when defending the race. SMH. There are vets that still declaw cats(most of them are OLD), just because there are vets at the iditarod does not make it humane. There is room for ethical debate in the veterinary field. The serious mushers all have what they call "yearling" or "puppy" teams. Old leader in front of young dogs. Usually run by a helper. Some mushers have an A,B, and a puppy team. SEVERAL hundred dogs living on chains. Mushers are always trying to get rid of slow dogs and bring in faster ones. "your only as fast as your slowest dog." They get traded around like Pokémon. Ive had as many sled dogs leave this SMALL 30 dog kennel i work for as have been here the entire time as me. They come and go like crazy. I don't know where all theses sled dogs end up. But I don't see many old ones. And there is alot of anecdotal evidence that says they aren't finding homes when they retire. Like the 2010 whistler massacre. And some mushers DONT adopt out dogs but breed 30-50 a year so.....idk. It doesnt really add up. I have a PDF that is from the British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture. A government guide on sled dog care. Theres a page that illustrates how to properly shoot a dog between the eyes. Its the page right after the one that illustrates how to properly chain them to a post.

doggo doggo yeah. Sled dogs are treated like $hit. And so are racehorses. Sled dog racing and horse racing needs to end.

doggo doggo if you work in a cruel industry, then I would recommend you leave it. (If you can)

No, they do it for another reason called herd instinct.

It's totally natural for them to do that, they are enjoying themselves and they are trying to stay with the rest of the herd.

Actually there heard animals so they run after the other horses

@@aprilkean8686 thats not true the horse having fun from out of the stable

Moreen Walcott there also heard animals so they run together and they like running to

Not everything is filmed lol, and you clearly see people trying to help the horse

@@Kikiblablaa yeah

What do you mean? At 2:36 you can see it at the side?

Kiki help that poor broken sole over the rainbow bridge cause they know they fucked up

@@Kikiblablaa help? That green screen is erected under the assumption that the horse has to die.

Agreed!!! Don't the idiots designing these races realize that??? It's a shame!!!😪

SLOW DOWN ON APPROACH? What world do you live in?

I agree

The hurdles are fucking 3 and a half feet and if that isn’t big enough then your a mong

exactly . its barbaric

Someone with special needs can be quite intelligent .....its the stupid people with greed and brutality...all for money 😊

Saumil Shroff you know that isn’t a thing right

Kobyn Greathouse You know that IS a thing right

Saumil Shroff and I’ve had horses for 10 years soooooo....

He probably had a massive dose of Bute. and a sedative to keep him calm. This will kill the pain so he was able to walk. Albeit with him limping. Have you ever seen a horse ambulance? It would take MUCH longer for the vets etc. to get him loaded and the stables were probably easy to get to "on foot". He didn't show signs of any broken bones.

Kobyn Greathouse you’ve not ridden for 10 years you don’t even know how to hold your rains probably

Mick Busby but it’s not as common a horse getting euthanised in that sport as this one. One of the horses disappeared after this exact trail without a trace. Eventing there are a lot of safety precautions and if it’s a rotational they have vets going round and shut down the comp. The vets took their damn time getting there and even then the horses were still going round. There was a rotational and the jockey was clearly concussed of some sort and the horse had leapt up and was off galloping. The jockeys don’t get treated right and the horses don’t. It depends on what country you are and who it is. Some care. But when it hits a certain point it’s about the money and winning and if a horse doesn’t make the cut it gets cut and not sold. I could find a ex eventer that William fox Pitt had but not a ex racer that one of the higher ups had. (Don’t know racing names). Jockeys get dropped when they gain an extra pound and lose their job for not being light enough. It’s literally equine ballet. Dressage should get banned as people are still allowed to practise rollkur at home in training and it’s a requirement to use a double bridle at international 4*. Showjumping because again some top level riders don’t care about the horse and just pull their faces off. But at the sight of blood they get pulled and a year ban. Racing there are no restrictions unless you make a racing referendum or something

Because the horse is a lot of money...

What man? Do you mean the jockey? They are trained to roll in a ball if they are coming off the horse. This saves him from being trodden on or kicked by following horses. A horse will AVOID anything that is in its path. So the jockey was probably OK>

Is this a joke??? Because it’s not very funny

The jokey geting up

Racing is the worst thing ever

@@giuliacondorelli1323 is you galloping your horse 'the worst thing ever? No. Is you galloping with friends the worst thing ever? No. So why do people bash the racing industry is beyond me. They're treated like royalty beacuse these horses are their lifestyle. Drugging is impossible now as horses are tested before and after races, they love their job. It would kill them to sit in a paddock and be ridden 2-3 times a week.

Just my opinion

@@giuliacondorelli1323 okay then, so don't spread your opinions as Truth.

Over 1000 horses die on a racetrack a year, horses hearts can burst from running to hard, they can be traumatized. Since everyone’s so tightly packed together one horse falling in the front means everyone could go down in the back. Sure, galloping a little with friends isn’t bad, but that’s because you’re not pushing your horse to extreme lengths, you’re just letting them run as fast as they wanna. Racing is just as bad as steeplechase- some horses may love to run, but they shouldn’t be forced push themselves to where their heart literally bursts. Watch this- m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qigc0JARveA.html

Thank you for saying this! I totally agree with you! Thank god some people have sense!

+Starlight & Moonlight Do they love to die? Because in a lot of races like theses they die. Even in races without jumps like the Melbourne cup. They don't know that there's a chance they might get injured or die.

And they're then put in races that could end their lives. Yes it dose happen, but it happens a lot more in races.

Know**

***** Have you looked in the mirror lately? :)

+Starlight & Moonlight Yes, horses do definitely love to be competitive, especially the thoroughbred breed in terms of racing. Yes these races can determine a horses life span sometimes. So shall we just settle this and say that nearly all equestrian related sports can harm either horse or rider??

They can jump have u ever heard or mistakes obviously not 😂 if they couldn't jump them do u really think they would be on there no 😂 have some common sense

+Starlight & Moonlight Oh no, I stopped eating meat more than 20 years ago. I'm a vegan now since more than 7 years.

+Starlight & Moonlight For the milk: Try milk from almonds, grain, rice or soy. I tried a lot until I found my favourite plant milk: oat milk.

Horse are vary nice

YOU NAME ANY SPORT THAT IS NOT FRAUGHT WITH DANGER AND DEATH. WANT TO BAN THEM ALL, DO YOU?

ROSEMARY DUDLEY they're talking about the horses, stupid. I'm sorry, are there animals injured and killed in baseball and football?

The sport is fine it’s this discipline

No it's an evil sport don't care what anyone says

@@michaeljacksonhehe6919 Every event is evil then.

das stimmt wahrscheinlich, trotzdem sollte die ganze rennsportindustrie verboten werden

rosalieuwu Ja du hast vollkommen recht

How can a video that shows exactly what it claims to show be an 'unintelligent video'?

+BadNews Brown Well said, so much nonense

Explain what is wrong, biased and uneducated about the video. It shows horses being injured, some severely, while being forced to participate in an unnecessary “sport”. The only reason some horses kept running was to join the herd and because that’s what they are trained to do.

All these people saying horses are forced to participate 😡 horses have there own minds you try make a horse do something it doesn’t want to do you have no chance race horses are loved and cared for there actually treated far better then most people and all you do gooders that no nothing about horse racing or the care the animals receive need to stop with the shit your never going to stop horse racing

What happens to all the many race horses bred for racing but never good enough for the track, or who make it to the track but aren't good enough? What happens to all the ones who don't make it to rescues or aren't adopted?

+Just2equestrians normally they kill the horses there that they don't suffer from pain =(

+Just2equestrians and that the people who are watching these races don't have to see the horses suffering. it would destroy the image of these races (of course the image is a tiny piece of crap already)

They get shot

@@SuperRascally NOT ALWAYS...

They normally put it up to avoid people from seeing what's happend but they put the horses down, if not they see if the horse is okay and and if the hores suffering like I said they put the horses down and put it in a back or a trailer

Glad to see someone has the same opinion as me. Yes, its sad to see an animal get hurt, but they were bred to do this. In all sports animals and people get hurt. Oh no, lets ban Football... 😂

Umm really!!!! 24 horses die on the race track every week! There is no other disciplines with that many deaths. Also racing is the most common discipline with abused and drugged horses. I do agree that there are some lovely jockeys out there but some of them are horrible

@@justequine6399 Believe me that show jumping or cross country is a lot more abusive.

@@retro2546 hey just saw your comment and decided I would correct u. I myself am an eventer and I can tell u that thro my 16 years of eventing I have only seen 2 abusive owners. First I am not really sure why your think sj has alot of abuse in it. In racing (not all jockeys) jockeys smack their horses over and over again, drugging them up, use hobbles and in SOME places people will slaughter their horse when they r no use to them. THIS DOES NOT GO TO ALL JOCKEYS! Also as just equine said around 24 horse die every week on the race tracks and that is only some race track as u have some that don't record deaths. Now in sj and XC alone only around 20 horses (this is an estimate) die every year. As u can see this is a big difference. Second in sj whip aren't use as many time in racing same goes with XC. I understand why u may think XC may have alot of abuse in it because of the whips and the constant training and all the falls but its VERY VERY RARE to ever see or hear of any someone using drugs or hear of any deaths in XC or Sj. In every discipline even if it is just hacking out, there is always going to be a few people who sadly abuse their horses, but the racing industry has just abit more abuse in it then XC and SJ. 🙂

@@horseandrider3445 Actually before races vets test the horses and riders for drugs. SJ can be abusive. They can be drugged too. But the point is the pressure on the legs. Nothing good. Imagine 500-600 kg landing from over 140cm (at XC a bit lower) at the speed of around 30-40km/h. (XC is around 40-50km/h) And actually jockeys have limited amounts of whipping their horse. I guess its around 4 times, after 4 times you can only swoosh it. They make more sound than normal whip so thats why. Well, XC and SJ can just not record deaths too :) Anyway XC in my opinion is a lot more deadly, because the obstacles are fully stable so they do not just fall if horse fails the jump, which means horse trips and falls. I see a bit of hypocrite here. You say some of the deaths on race tracks arent recorded, then you say "its very very rare to ever see or hear of any someone using drugs or hear in any deaths in XC". And i will answer how you answered to me... Some of the drugging and deaths arent recorded! :D

Not all the time. Walking the horse can stop stiffness. It’s not obviously broken and when an eventing horse gets an injury like that they walk it off. It’s common to stop the muscles seizing as they go from speed to standing still. They probably care portable X-rays as well (I hope). The vets know what to do. They just take to long. Same with the doctor. The rotational jockey was dazed and limping. Wouldn’t be surprised if he was concussed and had a neck injury.

Lisa Soldatke spell racing correctly idiot

@@hixzwNFL LISA, SPELL WRONG CORRECTLY - ALSO.

carol m it’s not always used. It’s easier to kill the horse off than it is to give it for free. To them it’s a waste (some owners not all)

carol m no one said about the knackers. Many race owners are pally with a vet. If the same out of horses that get those leg injuries were given to rehoming I can tell you now there would be no shortage of horses as organizations would be flooded full with a waiting list. They are not. And struggle to keep afloat with the small amount of horses that they do have

carol m again not always used. They don't have floods of horses and a waiting list. They have empty stables instead. It's available but not always used

Well most horses that get severe leg injuries are put down.

Then some people just kill their horses for losing afterwards too😭

Paddy Cleary finally someone with some knowledge

Thanks

Not always true. When the horse gets up and continues running with the other horses, he does so out of instinct to be with the other horses. Horses derive a sense of security from other horses.

Paddy Cleary your an idiot!! The horse gets up and continues because it has a heard mentality and doesn’t want to be left behind! racing is cruel. If a horse hurts its self it’s useless so they send it to a slaughterhouse. Or just have it shot. They don’t care! People like you are ignorant and don’t try to see the other side of it.

@@shaylabrynn9542 please just shut up, go and work in the industry and see how well they are looked after before you start running your mouth

Believe me, more show jumping and cross country horses are killed or their legs are really sore because of too much pressure while landing. 500kg landing from over 140 cm at the speed of around 30-40km/h if you are wondering.

+gnicaR snoitcudorP The horse walked off limping. That's not "unscathed" besides, this was a trial. The real races have bigger hedges and the horses die in them, they get injured in these.

+Astrid Mistlord Same risk as normal when riding a race horse over a jump, not just in a race. Actually the bigger it is the better in racing. Because if the fence is bigger they will go slower, resulting in the horse measuring the fence more,also the horse has more time to get its landing gear (legs) down safely. So if you want to make racing better we need to increase the size of the jumps to what they use to be. Because otherwise If the fences are smaller there is more speed so more force hitting the ground or fence if it makes a mistake, so more chance of it breaking a leg etc. So no racing people shouldn't get involved in matters that they don't know about because they can't use their brain properly.

You have mistaken me. I don't want to improve races. I want to stop them. You know that some race horses that have been injured are deemed useless and killed. Even if they can heal well. As for bigger jumps, that doesn't always work. The horse can spook at the last minute or refuse to jump over. Causing injuries to the riders as well. No matter what, any horse racing is dangerous. And if a horse makes a mistake on a bigger jump, it'll just be injured worse.

+Astrid Mistlord for a start it won't be injured worse over a bigger jump. but then if you want to stop racing them your stopping something that treats horses better than riding school ponies. as a normal riding school horse gets hit by the whip 4 times a day then a racehorse is only raced about once every 3 weeks so therefore is whipped a lot less. racehorses are better cared for than normal horses. racehorses are feed better. racehorses contribute to the economy more than other equestrian disciplines. So why would we stop racing?

Because they kill the horses that can't race anymore. They don't sell them, but send them off to slaughter houses.

It's best to get a horse up if at all possible. He was breathing very hard and left lying down would have damaged his lungs, stomach and ribs etc...

@carol m yes they get up an run. They are a herd animal an instinticly will follow the others

@carol m yes they are exhausted an rightly so after running an jumping for miles. But again these are herd animals and will folliw the herd

Booo

Just shut up that's such an illogical thing to say

I HAVE NEVER READ ANYTHING QUITE AS STUPID AS WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN. get a life - WISE UP. I guess you are about 10 years old.

The problem isn’t the jumps being to high. It’s that they are to low to jump at 60 miles per hour. That’s what? 60cm? Horses normally jump 125cm at a speedy collected canter. Not a flat out gallop in a large group over a small spread. That’s the main issue here

Exactly, when will people understand

Just because they are bred for it doesn't make it okay for them to be treated like this!

Finally someone talking sense. Horses made for running, greyhounds made for chasing, take racing away and these animals won't exist.

Given a choice l think they would rather have not been born.

@@Seanor2014 Your point being? Ban the races, allow the remaining animals to be adopted out, let them live in pastures with other horses where they can choose for themselves when and for how long and hard they run. They won’t be mercilessly whipped, the chances of a fatal injury are more than cut in half, they won’t have to run on a bad leg (as so many racehorses are forced and put on pain killers to do). If they love to run, they can do so on their own time. I fail to see how them being bred for this makes forcing them into life-threatening positions okay. What if you were born into a family of army veterans? Would you be perfectly okay if they forced you to join the army against your will? Would you be okay with forcing your own children to join as well?

It's not, deaths are the exception and there's less every year. These horses are livestock, not pets, and *still* get the top diets, top healthcare, and quality of life becase they're out running in packs and getting affection for it. It's a way better life than any pet horse on a farm.

​@Saman Naqvi all horses are kept in stalls, so they dont roam around and break their legs. If they have stomach ulcers and health issues, they can't race and can't make money. Therefore trainers spend a fortune on food, health care and conditioning training to ensure that specifically doesn't happen. Horses race once a month at the very most, they're not exhausted. If they are exhausted, they WONT WIN and again, that defeats the POINT of owning a race horse. And is it safe for them to jump hurdles? No. But it's no less risky than a horse running in general due to the extreme fragility of their legs. If anything, jump horses are specifically trained to avoid that danger, whereas a regular horse is not trained to avoid rocks and slippery mud when out on a walk. Also, watch some jump racing, after 1000 races you'll be able to count on one hand how many horses actually got severely injured. Its not a common issue like you think it is. And race horses are livestock. Compared to other livestock, like dairy cows and chickens reared for meat, they live very, very good lives. Winning races is the priority for any race horse, therefore their quality of life is at the top of a trainers and investors mind. You think an abused horse will win a race? Abused horses rarely even get into the starting gates without attacking handlers or protesting and running in the opposite direction, you can watch any low level daytime horse race to see this happen. Its simple business to ensure a race horse is at peak physical and mental condition so it wins and makes money, and that's a fact.

@Saman Naqvi Two to 4, maybe 5 is generally prime age for a race horse, any older and they're at more risk of shattering a leg or not being fit enough. And i've said, they're trained specifically not to wipe out, if a horse gets hurt no one wins. Do you honestly think people invest all that time and money into a horse for it to get injured and ruin it's career? Of course not, that makes no sense.

Pores have horses? 👀🤣 Poor*

rubbish, your a hipocrit, if you think jumps racing should be banned, then all horse racing should be banned, theres just as many die on the flat as well as jumps

Nah

your ignorant. these animals wouldnt be there if it wasnt for these people so be quiet

Yes I can be quiet now . For you just proved my point with your statement. Care about the animals and to hell with the people .

+teeswatertom the guy wasn't hurt. If jockeys got up while horses are running by he could be kicked or maybe he could run in the way of a horse, spook, etc. Sometimes after horses have run by jockeys stand there to catch breath. Because those aren't some nice falls they take. Also in this case they could have done a much better way caring for the horse. It looked like they gave 3 shits about the horse even

I get what you are saying and understand your point of view . My point is I seen no one even look in the direction of the downed jock . That bothers me ! You see as much as I love horses and I do . I just can not put them before people!

+teeswatertom these were some crappy people and they could have done so much better. So I respect that because instead of running to their sides they just walked besides one guy. This is a messed up track I'm sure of

We care more about the horses because they never got a choice in the matter. The jockeys choose to ride them. The owner chose to breed/buy them. They all agreed to race. Well…all except the horses, which coincidentally happen to be the ones most likely to die/get injured. Every week, an average of 24 horses die on a racetrack. That’s not including the ones that don’t even make it to the track, nor the ones that die or have to be put down prematurely due to chronic issues they got from racing. Meanwhile, 100 jockeys have died. That is a big number, but it oversees the time since 1950. That’s 72 _years._ Now, I’ve never been good at math, so I could be way off base. And of course, the number of horse deaths is different each year. But if my calculations are even just a little accurate, we’re looking at about 64,000 horse deaths for every jockey that died. Remember, the jockeys not only choose to race, they also get paid for it. Now tell me who got the short stick in this situation?

oh yes. People care. If they care they wouldn’t be racing their poor horses. Think. I hope u have a brain.

@@lumini3172 I don't believe your numbers are accurate for horses per jockey. 6.4 million horses died since 1950 in racing accidents? Horse racing is a dying thing because casino gambling is allowed every now (just about). But there are a few things worth saying to put some things in perspective: - Horses race about 7 times a year, less if they're better - Horses can't race until they are 2, and generally are done by the time they are 6 (longer if they're competitive). On average, it's 3 years (they live 25-28 years on average) - Horses get paid to win and then sire (or dame). They're treated as investments, not as consumables by their owners. If they're injured, they won't win, and won't run. - There are some theraputic drugs like fusenomide and lasix (which I'm not sure they use any more), not to be confused with drugs which might be used to moderate pain. Using it to mask an injury is I think against the rules. - Horses are not like other four-footed animals. They're heavier relative to their leg size and higher up, so a leg injury is a much bigger problem for them. If they lay down for too long, they can get intestinal occlusions. Loss of a leg will quickly cause the other legs to fail. - The investment for a horse is expensive. They require lots of space (even if you don't race them). The garage at my parent's house used to be a coach house 100 years ago. My grandfather was a farrier (WW I trained him to be an electrician). Most horses are not race horses.

@maggiemiller83 *Do you people not understand the majority of race horse owners care about the animals ...* _I fully understand the Horse Death Insurance Scheme._ Barbaric. *Jockey has a fall and breaks a leg, arm, whatever. He/She/It/They/Them/Pronouns is immediately covered by the green screen and euthanised. Traipsed off on the back of a trailer, covered with a tarp.* *Insurance claimed.* _Your Punishment is a Photograph of Your Memory._ 💔

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What is a "slater" house? You mean "slaughter" house. A lot of horses that have torn tendons etc (no broken bones) can be sold off to a new owner as a companion horse..OR .Maybe you don't know about that????