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2009 GMC Sierra with a crank no start that several techs unable to diagnose but they are sure it's a Crank sensor signalling issue. Looks like they are right.
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@frankvoynar6427
@frankvoynar6427 Год назад
I'll certainly agree with Matt that feeling never goes away, solving a complex problem than moving on to the next.
@erikkirby1
@erikkirby1 Год назад
as a 25 years auto tech i can tell you we learn everyday! if you are willing to!!!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
So true my friend!!!
@502undergroundmedia6
@502undergroundmedia6 Год назад
@@SchrodingersBox this video popped up in my suggestions and I can honestly say that I learned something. New Subscriber!!! Thanks for the tutorial.
@miraclechikwem4987
@miraclechikwem4987 Год назад
I like your teaching sir God bless you
@robbieturnbull4253
@robbieturnbull4253 Год назад
@@SchrodingersBox admitting your wrong when your wrong is the important thing unlike other people who find out what it really was and say oh I knew that all along you admitted your mistake and that’s very commendable I can see why they would of thought it was a crank or cam sensor your not stupid for not checking the ground first you were just performing tests don’t ever feel stupid for making a mistake we all make mistakes and learn from them peace for now my friend awesome video a lot of people won’t admit their mistakes you did that’s the important thing 😊
@valdabromfield2369
@valdabromfield2369 Год назад
That's right we learn everyday...that's good troubleshooting...complex problem(s), simple solution(s); simple problem(s),complex solution(s). Very satisfying and rewarding when you solve the problem(s). Appreciate the vid mate n all comments. Be bless
@riblets1968
@riblets1968 Год назад
You used your head, applied your knowledge, and fixed the problem. Excellent, sir.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Thanks!! sure beats guessing
@jamesworsham2312
@jamesworsham2312 Год назад
Knowledge is the ultimate power. Sometimes we get wrapped up in what we're doing we forget to go back to the basis
@dougkelley1266
@dougkelley1266 Год назад
Your classes have taught me a lot. I figured bad ground before you called it. Thank you for all you teach
@ag1auto588
@ag1auto588 Год назад
Great video you remind me of Scanner Danner.. I've been a mechanic for 20 years, & I agree always start with power and grounds,, btw on Chevys is common to have problems with grounds especially with wiring traveling through parts that vibrate or under exhaust manifolds or close to them. My hat goes off to you sir for calling yourself a do it yourselfer, shows humbleness.👍
@tshephokgetjepe3162
@tshephokgetjepe3162 Год назад
There is a reason why I subscribed to your channel, your methodology of fault finding is top notch....all the way from South Africa 🇿🇦
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Thank you my friend!!
@rgmeyers66
@rgmeyers66 Год назад
Thought provoking intelligent content- delivered in a no fluff no nonsense manner. Logic applied over and over again. Thank you for sharing.
@tinytim9453
@tinytim9453 Год назад
That was beautiful! When it comes to anything electrical, I'm dumber than a box of rocks. But with you, there is something about you that makes it so clear and understanding.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Thank you, that’s what I hope to achieve!! I’m most successful if you can do it!!
@chicanobluesaz4191
@chicanobluesaz4191 Год назад
I knew the problem as soon as I saw the title. Very common issue. Any well versed technician such as yourself should find this issue every time. Good job and great video!
@mlamont9999
@mlamont9999 5 месяцев назад
Can you explain better where this is located
@chicanobluesaz4191
@chicanobluesaz4191 5 месяцев назад
Under the driver side exhaust manifold forward of the oil filter adapter, above the oil cooler lines. The ground is bolted to the engine block.
@jviews1
@jviews1 Год назад
My family buys old (> 20 years old) cars and I ALWAYS clean all ground straps I find as a week 1 checkout. . This is why. GREAT VIDEO. Loved how you came to the problem root cause..
@nicklala4982
@nicklala4982 Год назад
Love your logical, rational approach to problem solving. Excellent job!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
thank you!!
@Ravenshadowson
@Ravenshadowson Год назад
Love your videos. I learn so much from your videos
@graemer66
@graemer66 Год назад
Yes solving a problem can give you much satisfaction and save you money too. Thanks to you I've taken up your tried and tested advise to know how the system works otherwise you do not have an understanding on what you are working on. Over here in Australia I've found a lot of mechanics not interested in working on my 1999 Z28 Camaro but with your video's I have been able to solve most of the issues encounted. Thank you your friend in Australia. Graeme Redman
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Great to hear! “No Worries” lol.
@guledmah5872
@guledmah5872 Год назад
You deserve the best technicians award in the USA
@ekimbrough1413
@ekimbrough1413 3 месяца назад
I'm here Schro! Show me!
@Kaunas-rx3qv
@Kaunas-rx3qv Год назад
Great work Matt. Thanks so much for another excellent diagnosis.
@GreatDataVideos
@GreatDataVideos Год назад
Thank you for taking the time to methodically teach us, as you always do.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
My pleasure!
@jazzstarish4186
@jazzstarish4186 Год назад
Greetings. I have a 2005 Chevy Zafira 1.8. No spark with new coil. The ignition coil connecter (5 wires 4 go to each one). The 5v reference on each on is around 4 volts. Does it have to have 5v to spark? Can I take a test light on positive battery and supply it to one to spark? 12v is too much. Thank you.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
You could do that yes. but there also needs to be a 12V on one of the wires. has to be.
@glennmiller5451
@glennmiller5451 Год назад
@@jazzstarish4186 loop l.
@sheerwillsurvival2064
@sheerwillsurvival2064 Год назад
Great video great job as usual 👊🏻 I remember as a Chevrolet goodwrench technician back in the 70s 80s living in the rust belt those grounds were always a problem. But I never thought that was the problem on this one looks are deceiving . 👊🏻
@BellaRocko
@BellaRocko Год назад
You are an amazing teacher and diagnostician! You fix cars by THINKING! Thank you thank you thank you for sharing!!!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Wow, thank you!
@TheCowgirlNiamh
@TheCowgirlNiamh Год назад
Fantastic work Matt! 👏👏👏 My initial thought was wiring because you said intermittent but I still would have followed your usual method because it really does help give direction 👍
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Good call! Yes there are many many many things that can cause an intermittent that eventually becomes consistent. as you said it’s best to just follow the procedure and whatever it is will be found every time.
@MarzNet256
@MarzNet256 Год назад
I've been binge watching your videos and am learning so much, so fast, it's kinda mind blowing. I've been using a DVOM, a knockoff power probe, and the XTool A30D scanner (same as a D7, but with BT and fewer special functions) and practice with it on my 2006 Matrix with 209k miles.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Great to hear! You will definitely be able to get the most out of those tools for sure. that setup is pretty similar to all I use in 90% of my videos.
@MarzNet256
@MarzNet256 Год назад
@@SchrodingersBox Thanks!
@twoshedsjackson6478
@twoshedsjackson6478 Год назад
Thanks for another interesting video. Quite coincidentally, this is the second video in a couple of days I've seen on the same subject. South Main Autos channel had a customer asking for a second opinion on whether he really needed to spend the $4000 being asked the manufacturer's main stealer to replace his entire wiring loom. After diagnostic investigation, he too just needed to replace a corroded earth strap on the underside of the engine.
@LinoHart-fr2mj
@LinoHart-fr2mj 10 месяцев назад
I have watched a couple of your videos and not only learned a few things but also entertained. Thank you
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox 10 месяцев назад
Thank you! I try to keep it fun.
@MasAUS
@MasAUS Год назад
Great video, and your ignition video is 1 off the best I’ve ever seen really nice explanation , and the most important think is the way you explain, it is so clear and understanding , you do put 100% effort to make sure others understand.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Thank you very much!
@KG-vr3te
@KG-vr3te Год назад
Being a tech brings the money in. I do enjoy the characters I work with and landrover/Jaguar sends me many miles away from home on courses to learn the product. This is easily as good as the courses and I love watching from the comfort of my armchair. He talks perfectly to prompt your own mind thoughts. I love it
@JohnDoesGarage
@JohnDoesGarage Год назад
I love those kinds of challenges myself. There is a very good friend of mine who is a factory trained technician with decades of experience and he told me he rarely ever sees a sensor failure. According to him the vast majority of the time it is a wiring issue. Case in point. Thank you for your amazing content.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Yes I have only seen 3 in almost 10 years
@cpcoark
@cpcoark Год назад
The first big clue I picked up was the customer stated the no start was intermittent. Then not starting at all. More than likely that would be caused by a bad connection. Temperature affect would be second if it was consistent under hot/cold conditions
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
9/10 times that’s exactly how a crank sensor fails though. or a sticking IAC, or a failing fuel pump.
@sandygrungerson1177
@sandygrungerson1177 Год назад
@@SchrodingersBox yes i was curious what your initial opinion was on the cause, given the intermettant description, but i would think your diagnostic would work regardless as you would still see the ground/no-ground condition with the light
@michaelszczys8316
@michaelszczys8316 Год назад
@@cpcoark bas connections will really mess with you. I have seen a bad battery connection completely imitate a ' last leg and down to dead ' condition when really it was fully charged and good for 100 cranks.
@robertqman5751
@robertqman5751 Год назад
Great diagnostic skills ... Yes .. Your video's are very helpful. Just found your link recently and glad I did ... 👍.. Thank you for what you do.
@sergiorivera8170
@sergiorivera8170 Год назад
Very comprehensive analysis of the possibly causes of the issue. THANK YOU.
@johnshinski2994
@johnshinski2994 Год назад
An absolutely great lesson. Thanks
@Briandutoit-sl2nd
@Briandutoit-sl2nd Год назад
Thanks my man great lesson
@konyoha
@konyoha Год назад
I haven't had any problems with grounding either...but you really add to my knowledge in understanding diagnostic problems. Thank you, teacher
@paulgarcia1040
@paulgarcia1040 Год назад
Thank you so much. I'm checking the ground on my 99 gmc 5.7. The way you explained this is 2nd to none. Everett Garcia Wichita Kansas USA
@TheDisgruntledMechanic
@TheDisgruntledMechanic Год назад
Nice hoodie Matt! Thanks for the shout out. I bet the Pico comes out on this video. Now back to the video.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Hahaha I actually already had it out of the case ready to go but never went that direction!!
@shepherdguy
@shepherdguy Год назад
At the very beginning of the video when you stated the shop had checked and replaced the cam and crank sensors with no luck, I was thinking in my mind you were going to discover a bent or damaged tone wheel, but that thought quickly dissipated when you showed the count and speed. I was not thinking a missing ground. Great information! Love your approach to troubleshooting.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Yeah good thinking on tone wheel- I actually have a video where that was the issue.
@bludhoun9016
@bludhoun9016 5 месяцев назад
@@SchrodingersBoxreplaced a transmission on 03 Silverado and now crank but no start . No spark from coils and no fuel from fuel pump . Constant ground from (A) and keyed power from pink . Still no start. Wat could this be that’s not allowing truck to start ?
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox 5 месяцев назад
What is the CKpS signal voltage showing?
@daquilema2011
@daquilema2011 Год назад
Thank You Math, for post this video from your paid channel . Heats off
@Back2dkicks
@Back2dkicks Год назад
Man, I truly appreciate you for making this video.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it!!
@DANNYN224
@DANNYN224 Год назад
Great diagnostic and love learning from you
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Glad to hear it!
@23hublock1
@23hublock1 Год назад
You have the rare ability to explain complexity in a way that makes sense and is easy to understand. You would also make for a very good lecturer at a university....even just a few hours a week would benefit so many people.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
thank you! I have been told this quite often. Maybe a gift.
@onegurl9
@onegurl9 Год назад
And hopefully benefit his pocket book too.
@minamcconnell9932
@minamcconnell9932 4 месяца назад
Absolutely the most in depth video we have seen for problem solving a vehicle. We are definitely going to check our ground wires and see if our vehicle will start. Definitely got us as new subscribers. GREAT JOB!!!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox 4 месяца назад
Glad to hear. Just check for an open ground first. It will save a ton of time.
@minamcconnell9932
@minamcconnell9932 4 месяца назад
Will do tomorrow. We changed every sensor already and still crank no start😵‍💫 🤞 it's a ground. Will let you know how it goes. Best UTuber that we ever watched! Subscriber for life!
@lanieeve1485
@lanieeve1485 Год назад
yes,...it is always helpful and fun to learn from you with your knowledge and your sense of humor thank you very much for taking the time to make things easier...
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
What a nice comment!!
@MagnumOpusSRT
@MagnumOpusSRT Год назад
Excellent diagnosis. It seems many underestimate or overlook grounds. Your methodical approach is appreciated. Thank you
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Yes even I overlooked it at first. in 9 years this is the first corroded ground I have ever run into.
@bernardaflores1720
@bernardaflores1720 Год назад
Great video. GM cars in the rust belt are known for electrical gremlins caused by bad grounds and grounding straps.
@carlm2590
@carlm2590 Год назад
Because you helped the poor with their auto repair I thumbs up every video you publish. God bless you. 👍 and I’ll subscribe to your pay content.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Thank you!! yes I have done a lot of free work lately including this one.
@user-sn2lj1jp6q
@user-sn2lj1jp6q 4 месяца назад
Great demonstration and verbal communication. I’m 74, shade tree type, struggling to keep up with how stuff works. I’m a new subscriber. I also view South Main Auto and Rust belt Auto among a select view. Thanks Schrödinger Box!! I’m a builder/contractor so mine is a much simpler world . Dave in Omaha
@JohnSmith-pb1dd
@JohnSmith-pb1dd Год назад
Thank you, amazing video, you are a great teacher 👏
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Glad you think so!
@TheDisgruntledMechanic
@TheDisgruntledMechanic Год назад
Huh! I was wrong! no Pico. But to diagnose with basic tools is awesome! It was the hoodie you were wearing that helped you diagnose this!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
it did help or I’d have frozen to death!!
@InsideOfMyOwnMind
@InsideOfMyOwnMind Год назад
The hoodie always helps.And if you have the baseball cap underneath it even better.
@TheMopar59
@TheMopar59 Год назад
Thoroughly enjoyed that, great explanation.
@robertbirdsall4571
@robertbirdsall4571 Год назад
The Diagnosis Captain does it again.Well done.I now have a new direction of ingaugment to go..Thanks for your videos, worth every dime. Kalamazoo, Michigan
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Thanks Robert good to see you again!
@gilberthale7777
@gilberthale7777 Год назад
From earlier on in the video my mind was screaming, "It's a bad ground!" Not just a gut feel, it was more that when you saw the injector signal was firing, and the test light clip on the positive terminal and no test light when you touched the ground circuit wiring, the jig was up. None the less, what a brilliant process, even if you did go to a few more tested areas than "needed." I am glad you did take a longer path to get to your end point, as it gave me a chance to learn more about that GM circuitry. My strength is more in the First Generation Mustangs Shelbys (1966 - 1973), and with Ford systems from the 70s and 80s back when I was working as a Ford tech in SoCal. I can tell you this for sure, your wiring diagrams are superior to the older Ford schematics I had (and still have) to work with, It was not until 1972 that we really began to see fairly decent wiring schematics, and 1973 brought us some even more decent diagrams,. Yet, the wiring schematics you showed are truly superior to the kind of detail I have from my schematics sources (all Ford publications). Anyway, I am a new viewer of your videos. I look forward to seeing more. And, I understand that "rush" when a hard to diagnose problem is finally tracked down and corrected. There was hardly anything more satisfying to me back in the day than figuring out a problem that had gone to so many other technicians, and even other dealerships, before I finally had the problem car come to me. Often the really obscure issues turned out to be ground related. I always enjoyed that logical challenge found in where I chose to begin my diagnostic approach, and why I then chose to go to one "next step" to check as opposed to another one. The logical diagnostic approach I learned in the auto industry served me very well when I went over to the computer industry. I loved solving programming and circuitry issues by applying logic. Now retired, I spend a lot of time sharing things I know about diagnosing and repairing First Generation Mustangs and Shelbys, which are applicable to all older Fords and even other makes. My RU-vid channel has feeble content in comparison to what you have, so far. But, considering my narrow focus I am pleased so many folks have found it to be useful. Anyway, I get why you are sharing your videos, and appreciate your sharing back to the industry we love so much. An aside, I also appreciate when you leave in the goofs and erroneous.needless side trips you take in your diagnostic approach. It lets me get a better feel for where your thinking is. And, it lets me know that indeed it is okay to take a needless side path during a diagnostic approach. Some of my more powerful insights have come from taking needless side trips, where I have a happy discovery I can use at some other time. Anyway, Kudos!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Thanks, and yeah I totally can’t believe I didn’t check the ground while I was checking power but like I said, you can get your well poisoned and also it’s really really distracting when you are also filming. Had I not been filing I’d have tested the power and the ground and then checked signal.
@gilberthale7777
@gilberthale7777 Год назад
@@SchrodingersBox No matter, you rock! In the end you found the problem, and even demonstrated proof of the error before locating the point of actual cause of the error.. Who cares if a few extra paths were taken in the meanwhile? It will not be me tossing a rock at you! If I had to choose between efficient and effective, I would choose effective every time.
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd Год назад
That was a great case, I like the way you took us along to follow your thought process. I was a little puzzled by the wiring diagram, because we don't see all of the electronics there. The wiring diagram notwithstanding, it looks like grounding of the primary side is separate from the PCM, triggered by a simple square wave positive input along the signal wire. That would reduce the chance of inductive voltage spikes reflecting back to the PCM.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Thanks Dave!! Great to see you again!
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd Год назад
I went back and looked at the Alldata wiring diagram for my old 2000 Suburban. It doesn't have as much internal detail but they do say that the trigger for firing is a ground signal that turns on and off inside the PCM. So, ground side switched on the signal wire, at least in my old beast.
@wyattoneable
@wyattoneable Год назад
Nice sweat shirt. Mike is a great guy. I smiled when it started. Following a path of solid diagnostics wins every time. Great video Matt.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Couldn't agree more- he is a class act and the sweatshirt is quite comfy hahaha. I wear it whenever I have to crawl under a car in the snowy weather so I don’t ruin my Schrodingers Box sweatshirt hahaha
@nickspua1096
@nickspua1096 Год назад
Mate, I am non technician but also have learned so much from you. Thanks.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Cool, thanks!! Always appreciate the DIY's since that's who we are!!
@biglevstergarage
@biglevstergarage Год назад
Spectacular job Matt, good find as well. I had a couple experiences like that as well with my scope on a rope too. Someone a while back spent hours with a buddy trying to figure out why his 89 Chevy truck wasn't starting, they took out the fuel pump and half the top side of the engine apart. Truck still didn't start and they spent a good 6+ hours on it and scratching their heads, like why isn't it starting. The guy calls on me to check it out, go to try and start it, no start, look at the dash, no check engine light, pull out the trusty test light look for ECM fuse, blown fuse. They get a new fuse and put it in, starts right up, told them it may blow again depending on what happened to blow it the first time, but started it up a few more times and let it run and it didn't blow the fuse again. Spent under 10 minutes figuring it out, where the guy and his friend spent over 6 hours and half the truck apart trying to figure out what was wrong. Its thanks to many people like yourself on here that taught others like myself what to do, where to look and stuff. Great job!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Great story man!! Thanks for sharing that!!
@grizz5431
@grizz5431 Год назад
Stating the obvious, at 10:00, my brain was screaming "You need to check the ground!". That's something I learned back in the late 70's with the advent of computer controlled fuel and ignition. Because some of the manufacturers attached ground wires in stooooopid places like thermostat housing bolts. But, good job. I'm surprised someone didn't catch it before it came to you.
@deanb949
@deanb949 Год назад
Problem is today, the techs are too young to have been exposed to the daily run down to the last wire of systems they diagnose today. Back in the 80's the automakers were still (sadly) cutting their teeth on EFI and all the wiring logistics that goes with it. I got out the buiz in the mid 2000's and still take the "check all the basics" routine first and foremost while they're relying on the analyzer's leading them to component failure.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Dean, What do you mean “check all the basics”? If you have a P0171 lean condition on a v6 engine what are the basics you use over relying on “misleading analytics?”
@deanb949
@deanb949 Год назад
@@SchrodingersBox As I've stated I haven't been in this field in well over a decade. When we had codes, we backed up immediately with a multimeter or our 4 ch. Fluke storage scope what the related component's parameters were. We didn't just jump at parts replacement. The meat of my comment was aimed at the chaos of 3 domestic and a plethora of imports all doing their own thing before OBDII standards were in place.
@deanb949
@deanb949 Год назад
@@SchrodingersBox Didn't say the analytics were misleading. The techs took the data as a set in stone parts order.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Not sure I follow that. Data is just data, it’s not a direction and certainly not a conclusion on a part. I don’t see how that could happen. Maybe an example of your method vs a young tech method on my 0171 situation I described?
@xj31
@xj31 Год назад
How easy it is to overlook the basics. Seems like whoever looked at it before you could not see the forest because of all the trees. Good no nonsense common sense diag there, thanks for sharing
@Ben111778
@Ben111778 3 месяца назад
This was a great video! I appreciate the detail you go into, it provokes a great amount of thought with revealing connections so that in turn, I could figure out that I'm having back emf issues with my 73 Mopar 360 causing the plugs not to spark and am missing an engine to chasis ground on the tranny end of the engine!!! I think you just solved me a whole number of intermittent electrical issues I've been having! Thank you!
@at_3831
@at_3831 Год назад
I scored very high on the ASVAB test so I was fortunate enough to be trained in aeronautical electrical and mechanical troubleshooting it’s a skill not easily learned but very easy forgotten when not used. This video is extremely knowledgeable information for anyone learning how modern automotive and equipment work.
@bchrisl1491
@bchrisl1491 Год назад
Good clip. well done. Eric O had a similar case over on South Main Auto a month or so ago. turned out to be the ground strap between the motor and the firewall completely corroded away. BTY that connector is a called a ring connector, and that one is am “open barrel” design crimp. They take a special die to crimp, but they are better than the barrel type crimp electrically because they have more surface area between the crimp surface and the wire, reducing resistance of the crimp.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Hahaha I was trying to remember the name of the stupid connector lol!! Yes “Ring connector” was what I was looking for but my brain wasn’t working lol. Good to see you back again btw.
@bchrisl1491
@bchrisl1491 Год назад
@@SchrodingersBox I have shifted to working on marine diesel and boat issues these days. I was very pleased to see that a group of technicians wanted to see this clip as a learning device. I’m out there lurking most days.
@sseef11
@sseef11 Год назад
I have the exact same problem with my 2001 Tahoe. So I will be checking the grounds. Thank you for your videos
@toddcott9510
@toddcott9510 Год назад
Pre supposing is something we all fall for. Great video.
@mechanic_marky
@mechanic_marky Год назад
Nice find. I also love being able to fix problems that multiple others were unable to find. Keep it simple.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
That's the plan!
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 Год назад
Great video! I read (see bottom) that the Low Reference on those ignition coils was an ECM sourced ground which is a dedicated ground for the coil electronics. The chassis ground is meant to supply a ground for the actual coil windings, but can supply the coil electronics too if the Low Ref is down. This system contrasts with Toyota's 4 wire ignition coil where the fourth wire is the ignition confirmation signal (IGF) telling the ECM that the coil fired. Source: There's a PDF titled "Coil on plug ignition - the wired differences" by Matt Dixon which explains this and more. A quick internet search will show this PDF in its result.
@ChipperTheChipster
@ChipperTheChipster Год назад
No one thanked you for this wonderful source of awesome information!!!
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 Год назад
@@ChipperTheChipster Thanks!😊
@petermaina2281
@petermaina2281 Год назад
Thank you senior,you have helped me solve very many problems.❤
@davidsheward2113
@davidsheward2113 9 месяцев назад
Thank you so much! Having the same intermitten issue with a 99 Dakota. I Have replaced fuel pump, sensors, & key electrics ..now I will look for a bad ground!
@simonilett998
@simonilett998 Год назад
Hey Matt, love your work mate. I don't believe GM use the brown wire as a confirmation signal like Toyota etc. The brown wire in this design is a common low reference/ground internal to the PCM, shared by each coil igniter transistor, effectively it's a constant path to ground for all of the primary coil windings. The open ground you were chasing is of course the main ground for the secondary coil windings. However, the PCM may still be capable of monitoring this common primary/transistor ground for coil current/over current purposes, and maybe to detect misfires etc.👍
@endurofan9854
@endurofan9854 8 месяцев назад
mornin sir, i lack knowledge in this, so i'm pretty curious, so that pattern ow wires on that coil means 2 grounds? one for primary leading to PCM and one for secondary leading tothe battery - terminal/body, and one positive from the battery and one positive fron the PCM aa the trigger for cut-off on primary... did i get it right?
@simonilett998
@simonilett998 8 месяцев назад
@@endurofan9854 Yep, pretty much spot on mate. One pin (pin D) is a shared positive supply fed via a fuse (one fuse for odd bank, and another fuse for even bank) to power the primary coil and internal coil pack electronics. One pin (pin C) is a square wave switched input from the PCM controlling the primary coil transistor. One pin (pin A) is a shared constant chassis/battery ground, probably for the primary coil transistor to switch to. The last pin (pin B) is a shared constant ground, grounded within the PCM, probably for the internal coil pack electronics to ground to, and maybe the PCM can also monitor this wire for self diagnosis functions etc. Pin A and pin B may actually serve oposite functions to what I've stated above but I'm not 100% sure, but I can confirm they are both constant grounds and can be tested as such. Hope this helps👍🇦🇺
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox 8 месяцев назад
@endurofan9854 correct.
@Peter-uo7st
@Peter-uo7st Год назад
You are a smart mechanic. Awesome diagnosis
@kartamap
@kartamap Год назад
The Disgruntled Mechanic-subscribed !
@TheDisgruntledMechanic
@TheDisgruntledMechanic Год назад
TY!
@davidmedley9652
@davidmedley9652 Год назад
Great logic and clarity, thanks for another great video.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Thanks again!
@eduardoalba3012
@eduardoalba3012 28 дней назад
Man you’re amazing at what you do u make it look so easy and the way you explain things is at another level man ! God bless you and thank you!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox 28 дней назад
I appreciate that! Thanks for commenting!
@randybeard6040
@randybeard6040 Год назад
I use to work with a guy that had a IQ off the Chart, he had Total Recall on everything he read, could resite a Dictionary and carve a Gun stock from a 2x6. This guy could make a couple checks on your engine and tell you what was wrong. I had a recently overhauled engine in my car-one night when we got off from work at 12 midnight, temp/ about 10 degrees, my car would not start, only turn over, he instantly told me that it had jumped Time, I told him that it was just overhauled several months ago-he said well they didn't replace the Timing Chain so he just advanced the plug wires on distributor and engine fired up as it should. He said now go back to the guy that overhauled your engine and tell /ask him why he didn't replace Timing Chain, of course guy denied that he left old chain on my car...
@KWAHU93
@KWAHU93 7 месяцев назад
@@user-pl1uj5ks4mgoogle advancing a distributor.
@SuperReznative
@SuperReznative 7 месяцев назад
@@user-pl1uj5ks4m hah , that the difference experience "brings to the table ". I understood the very thing he was describing about the timing/ plug, ..and it also took me back 30 years when I had to tow a car ,home from far away, because of that that issue. Time jumped.
@foreverwood1963
@foreverwood1963 Год назад
You know how you can have several teachers that all teach math but you can't pass some teacher's class but there's that one. That's you! It's taught that way. I love to see your videos.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
I do know what you mean. Thanks for the compliment.
@BryTrapStar-op8sy
@BryTrapStar-op8sy 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for the information. I've literally been dealing with the same type of trouble with my 08 Tahoe and now I'm going to take a look amd i hope i am dealing with the same problem. I'll come back and let you know how it goes.
@Mark.N
@Mark.N Год назад
Thx very much for this..I heard "intermittent" at first...that clue made sense as well...now back to my son's 2008 Altima with a new alternator that is not charging the battery...wonderful...
@johnmorse5617
@johnmorse5617 Год назад
Thank you for taking your time to educate me. I found you a good teacher, a vary human one . Thanks again sir .
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Wow, thanks!!
@jamesankiewicz3141
@jamesankiewicz3141 3 месяца назад
There is some deep fixing knowledge there! Thank you
@skoff1214
@skoff1214 5 месяцев назад
Im into the same issue, crank but hard starting at cold start. thank you for this content and i will try this as reference.
@Jmsrestomods4824
@Jmsrestomods4824 3 месяца назад
You are amazing brother..... you have one heck of a way with teaching people. Thank you for all of your help and guidance!!!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox 3 месяца назад
Oh wow thanks!!
@brettmills2470
@brettmills2470 5 месяцев назад
Great work and video, that’s about the best way to do it! I’m going to test that ground early on if come across this type of issues! Thanks! 🙏
@miked1372
@miked1372 Год назад
Thanx! I had a no spark issue but ground ohm test was good. I checked my G102 anyway and sure enough it fell off with little effort. Corroded. It was dropping out soon as I cranked it, weak ground. Ran new ground and all good. Thanks for this. It was making me nuts
@timduvall6488
@timduvall6488 3 дня назад
That was awesome. My Challenger cutout i pulled over and the starter was still turning over. I swapped a couple relays. Didn't help. But also when I let off the key fob starter still turning over. It's been in the shop for four days. Still haven't heard anything but it's got gremlins lol. I'm retired plant electrician. Electronics degree but that was first time I saw the explanation of electronic ecm diagram and grnd. Diagrams. It makes me want to take a class. Thnks
@biz4twobiz463
@biz4twobiz463 Год назад
great diagnosis!! The ground wire like that is very common on GM vehicles. Merci
@Edi-01
@Edi-01 6 месяцев назад
Men I have learn so much from this guy and I always try to explain to my friends how this things works and how they function your the best men
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox 6 месяцев назад
Much appreciated!! Thanks for watching!!
@richardbizzoco624
@richardbizzoco624 5 месяцев назад
great job. i just went thru a full-on diagnosis (crank-->no start) where current was interrupted and there are so many possible things it coud be. Mine was an older car with a ripped out alarm system and many cut wires. Ultimately it turned out to be an EFI relay that worked, but did not transfer current from pin 87 to 30 and replacing the relay brrought back the check engine light, which did not light up with key on. So solved. interesting and well done video.
@grenvillephillips6998
@grenvillephillips6998 Год назад
Great to share in Matt's total chuffedness - I always enjoy a happy ending!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
That sounds dirty lol
@grenvillephillips6998
@grenvillephillips6998 Год назад
@@SchrodingersBox To be chuffed is a British expression meaning delighted. I wasn't sure whether it was used in common parlance in the bars of Benson, Arizona. But soon maybe?
@8307c4
@8307c4 Год назад
Wow... I have a 1995 Volvo 850 with this crank no start issue... I think I will follow your set of steps in the diagnostic, that was pretty incredible.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
it works every time!
@raycook1503
@raycook1503 Год назад
Such an awesome video. Shows that other areas can cause problems thatcwere never thought about. Also some ignition systems are hot at all times, and the ground is turned off/on to fire coils and injectors as needed.
@user-pg8kh1pm2o
@user-pg8kh1pm2o 7 месяцев назад
I have a 2002 Chevy trailblazer. It just died. All of a sudden I change the fuel pump fuel filter, coil, packs spark plugs starter oxygen sensor fuel regulator, still cranks no start I am I just don’t know what it could be
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox 7 месяцев назад
What data do you have?
@JavierHernandez-vw2ny
@JavierHernandez-vw2ny 11 месяцев назад
thanks for options you came up with some people wont share thank you
@jamesritter9150
@jamesritter9150 Год назад
Awesome,I really appreciate that you shared this,it was really informative
@shailendrasingh3894
@shailendrasingh3894 2 месяца назад
Very impressive work and very well executed.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox 2 месяца назад
Thank You!!
@jarrow708
@jarrow708 Год назад
Just want to say thank you. I have a truck in the shop and it ran when it came in. I replaced the oil cooler lines on it. I went to start the truck and it was missing really bad. turn the truck off and would not start again. I did the same thing the other tech you talked about. I never thought about the ground. I bumped into your video late on a Friday. Just got in on monday morning and quick checked the injector pulse. It was working. checked the ground on the coils and there was nothing. Thanks for the help. I was really lost on this one.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
glad to help!!
@ProfessorMikecarGuy
@ProfessorMikecarGuy Год назад
Great explanation, don't forget your grounds!!
@mintyperfectionable
@mintyperfectionable Год назад
LOVE the videos. I’m not trained at all, but I do all of my own work until it gets to the really complicated or sensitive replacements, and these videos are insanely helpful. Side note, at least half of the time while you’re talking, your voice sounds to me like crispin glover 😅
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Hahaha someone else mentioned that before too lol. I don’t see the similarity hahaha
@Mr2004MCSS
@Mr2004MCSS Год назад
Nice video. I was expecting you to check grounds after checking the power and was surprised when you didn't. I just subscribed to your channel so that I can see all of your info and videos.
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Thanks 👍. Yep I absolutely would check grounds but as I mentioned I think I was so set on a CKPS issue I just forgot to do it!
@Ottonic6
@Ottonic6 Год назад
You always have great content. I need to subscribe to your premium channel so when you refer to the content I can watch and understand... For the price of a gallon of gas (well maybe not), even if I only chime in a few times a month it's still a win... On this diagnosis, Powers & grounds. A lot of times that's one of your first tests. Thanks Matt!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
thank you! just a point though-Powers and grounds comes after you know what system is at fault. if you want to Check powers and grounds then you are going to have a long day because there are 400 on this car and many are shared.
@mynyasabut
@mynyasabut Год назад
This is generally cause most technicians think in terms of 12v plus, ignoring ground issues or get lost thinking obout sensors, your aproach is more efficient i loved this video, i work audio systems and a client mentioned a problem with his engine, it turns out another mechanic forgot to reconnect the physical batery ground so the car was taking ground though the engine block wow! i just recconected it and voila! the engine problem went away when other 3 shops couldn't find the problem
@rodbeaty6704
@rodbeaty6704 10 месяцев назад
i yelled at the screen when you checked for 12v input and skipped streight to signal checking lol great video my brother
@edge24edge
@edge24edge 6 месяцев назад
Great Video !! Grounds are important . Thank you Sir .
@1945jlee
@1945jlee Год назад
You are a very good teacher...!!! Thank You..!!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox Год назад
Thanks for the compliment.
@nealcox8204
@nealcox8204 10 месяцев назад
That was SOOO gratifying... Good job bro!
@SchrodingersBox
@SchrodingersBox 10 месяцев назад
It is an awesome feeling to solve the mystery!
@chrisstjohn9403
@chrisstjohn9403 5 месяцев назад
Common sense with a touch of brilliance
@pipstarpipstar3852
@pipstarpipstar3852 7 месяцев назад
Very impressive diagnosis...😊
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