I rarely comment, but this video was lovely. Great job in illustrating the speaker swap and demo. Very calming with the music over the speaker swap I must add! Appreciate the tricks and tips too
Creamback for the win! Great job on all fronts: really interesting install, sweet playing, A+ videography as usual, etc. I think the new speaker opened up a good amp even more. Nice! 🤙
Depends on the sound one is after. The A Type had more high end sparkle, the CB had a more rounded tone, and the mid focus was at lower freq. Also less hum. For me, I preferred the A Type sound, so I’d get to save some $ 😊
You would really like the Creamback H then. Its a bit brighter than the Creamback M and holds its bottom end much better. Not as dark. Creamback H75 is a great speaker to mix with V30's.
@@DreidMusicalX Good to know, thanks! I recently picked up a cabinet with a V30 and a G30 and I REALLY like it! I imagine that those two speakers in unison sound similar to the Creamback.
I thought the A sounded better to me. Different strokes for different folks. Thanks for the install vid. I'm about to swap mine out, but i have an old model with the Eminence. I'm going to try the Eminence Alessandro.
It really depends what tone one may desire at a particular time. I have a 60 watt 2x 12 Deville. Never could take it to a jam gig too powerful to drive without killing the drummer. But my son Chris plugged his eight string through it it easily handled in rehearsal. No pedals. Rock and roll!
I think for a Fender amp the stock speaker was the right choice. I have a creamback in my Friedman Small Box Combo and for this Marshall-Type amp with it's darker tone it fits perfectly. But I think I will keep the original speaker in my Hot Rod Deluxe, this combination to me brings a warmer sound.
I’m in a quandary as a I haven’t decided which I like best, I do really love the stock speaker in it, think I’ll live with the creamback for a while and then decide, cheers Martin
Nice video and thanks for doing this. I was interested in this video because I have the HR DeVille IV with A Type speakers, but also have a DSL with a Creamback 65 in it and wondered what the DeVille would sound like with that speaker. I have to say that as much as I like the Creamback in my DSL, I prefer the A Type in the HR Deluxe in this video. Thanks again.
Thanks for the feedback Bob, I was considering putting the A-Type back in but I bought the captor x which has the a-type can emulation so best of both worlds :)) cheers for the comment and kind words
I've played the Hotrod Deluxe 3 and Deluxe 4 back to back. The Deluxe 3 sounds much better. It comes stock with the Celestion G12P-80 speaker. The low end is tighter and overall tone is more clear.
I played the 3 and I think it sound graet, nice low end and spongy sounding. I bought a 4 and I don't like it. It lacks low end. Not great sounding over all. Do you think its just the speaker?
@@pablodevera3278 the 3 cabinet is made from a different kind of wood, heavier and more dense. Plus, the speaker is different from what is used in the 4. I think those two elements make a difference for the tone of the amp.
Count me in with the side that likes the original speaker better. The creamback just sounded a bit too bassy and muffled. At least that's how it sounds on the video.
Thank you for this video Derek! I used it as a reference when changed out the speaker in my HRDIV. Went with a Cannabis Rex. So far, and it needs to be broken in yet, I really like the tones I'm getting out of it specifically with my Strat Ultra and Tele. Les Paul neck position sounds very flubby though and perhaps that's just because the speaker isn't broken in yet. Primarily I use single coil Fenders and I'm optimistic thus far. Just installed it yesterday so need to figure out a new EQ and dial it in. BTW I recently had some tube rattle. Was pretty bad. Took it to shop and they installed two Mesa Boogie power tubes. I'm pleasantly surprised how big of a difference that has made. Highly recommended and was only a $60 upgrade.
Thanks Joel, I’m thinking the same with the creamback, as it’s such a different sound I’m having trouble getting used to it, but as it’s an pretty straight forward swap it’s no trouble to install the a type back into it, I’m hoping I have to break it in also, good tip with the tubes though, I’ve heard that they can make a difference, cheers man!
Type a clean single coils- 7:18, 8:08 Creamback clean single coils- 7:40, 8:22 Type a drive single coils- 8:40 Creamback drive single coils- 9:10 Type a more drive single coils- 9:45 Creamback more drive single coils- 10:09 Type a clean humbuckers - 10:46 Creamback clean humbuckers - 11:14 Type a humbuckers drive - 11:50 Creamback humbuckers clean compared to type a drive - 12:13 Type a humbuckers drive - 12:39
I’ve just subscribed to your channel. Love the laid back style of your videos without all the “Heeeeyyyy, Wasssup” stuff 😄 BTW way I have a Fender Hot Rod Michael Landau amp with Celestion Vtype speakers. It’s the loudest thing known to man. Anything past 3 on the volume and everyone complains 😕
Thank you! I appreciate that very much, yeah I’m not into the what’s up guys stuff lol, the Micheal Landau version looks really nice, and the V-type speaker sounds so good, it’s louder than and exploding star lol, cheers!
The back panel will be easier to remove if you slightly loosen the 2 chassis screws on each side of the cabinet. This is especially helpful if you're removing the back panel of a Blues Jr. to do this modification.
Great video. My experience is that when I've played my stock HRD IV with a band it's sounded plenty bright. I'm not sure I'd want a brighter speaker. The presence knob can help with that. I think with a smaller amp like this the midrange hump helps because it makes it sound louder than it really is, especially with other instruments. Trading mids for treble could reduce the perceived volume and basically make it so you can't use the amp in as many situations.
To me, A type sounds better with Fender guitars and amps. Creamback is a great speaker as well, but sounds better In Marshall amps with Les Pauls IMO. Great video!
You don't need to remove the two bottom cage screws, only the top one. I put an alnico creamback 90 in my HRD and it sounds so much better than the stock speaker. I have the version 3 amp. Probably going to put one in my blues deluxe too. I put that stock speaker in a Boss Katana 2x12 and it's louder and a bit clearer than the stock Katana speakers.
You are right, I realised that the second time I did it, I think the cream back also sounds better, to my ears anyway, cheers for the comment and feedback!
The Original Speaker sounds more organic.. warm and real,...the creamback is to sterile.. I can see why a pedals on the original speaker is a better option to change the sound
I'm no expert but I've been told by those who are that you have to be very careful not to over tighten the screws holding the speaker in place and to be sure to get as even a tightness on each screw as possible not to warp or bend the speaker chassis.
Hi Derek, expectedly, I thought the Creamback sounded a little tighter and it will be interesting to hear a comparison in a couple of months time after it's been fully played in. Nevertheless, both were worthy of their' place in the HRD. I still have the original in mine, a Series III and I have no plans to swap it out at the moment. The previous owner had a Vintage 30 installed and offered me that but I don't regret my choice.
Hi Gareth, I came to the same conclusion, I do however still love the stock speaker, it suits the HRD really well, I just wanted to try something new, I’ll never sell that speaker as they both have unique tones :) cheers as always
how to turn your hotrod into a black marlin (inspired by trainwreck): 1.swap the speaker to an alnico cream 90w 2.swap the v1 tube to a high gain vintage mullard i63 ,breakup should start at volume 1-1.5 with a les paul. 3.enjoy!
Hello! Thanks for this. It is (by far) the MOST detailed video on changing a Fender Deluxe amp speaker that I have been able to find. I have recently returned to playing music ( I am primarily a bassist) and just lost my mind ordering an Epiphone Emperor Swingster and a Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue. The thing is I have seen a lot of stuff on the Interwebs about changing out the speakers in these amps and am wondering if I should just play with the amp as it ships or if I should invest the extra $$$ in a speaker upgrade. Any insight would be appreciated! Thanks again for a great video!
Hi Jeremy, nice combo of guitar and amp! i would say play blues deluxe speaker for a while, it's darker than the hot rod and has a gorgeous tone to it, it'll chime nicely, then after a while if you can't get what you need from it maybe experiment with a speaker swap, i had mine for two years and it was just lacking something, it had some frequencies that just didn't work for me and i'm really pleased with my swap, but it took me a while of playing it to realise, thanks for the kind words and enjoy that superb amp (i'd buy one if i saw one come up at the right price) cheers
The Cream Back sounded really harsh to my ear. How consistent was the mic placement? Moving a mic just and inch or 2 off centre of the cone can make a drastic difference. I once had a chance to plug into three different Blues Deluxes, one with a Jensen Speaker, one with a Celestian and mine with it's original Eminence. The Eminence won. That's just me.
They both sound good obviously, but my ears hear a little crisper attack with the Creamback. (poetry 101 LOL). However, the CB seems to decay faster and the original has a little more growl and guts and is a tiny bit warmer. I can hear more treble articulation with the CB, especially on the strat. I don't know if there is a clear winner here, I think it comes down to individual preference. Cheers!
I think you are absolutely right, it's going to be a personal taste thing, i'm not sure which i prefer yet but they both have great characteristics for sure! cheers
Nice vid, thanks. Not worth it from what I'm hearing. The A-type sounds great. The only speaker I've heard that sounded good enough to be worth it was the Celestion Alnico Creamback but that's also twice the price of your Creamback G12M. For now I'll certainly keep the A-type in my amp.
Very good review and thank you for the effort and clarity or presentation. I have a Blues Deluxe I am seriously thinking about doing this to, can't decide between the Swamp Thang or this one. Also, quick question: I'd like to keep the original and put it into a closed back 1x12 cabinet for an extension. Any tips on that?
Thanks for the comment Dave, i did the same thing myself, put the A-Type speaker that i took form the hot rod and put it in a 1x12 cab from implicit audio, i did a video here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eXWpaB9f25w.html
Hey-did you ever end up doing this. I found this comment after ordering a cream back and also planning on using original BD speaker for a home made cab. Exact same plan
@@nicholaspicel3838 Welp, got my budget a little waylaid...bought a Player Acoustasonic Tele - which is amazing, by the way. I'm pretty sure I'll do the cream back here soon. And I need to build an extension cab for the left over stock one.
I must be the only person who thinks the Creambacks are extremely overrated. It turned that distinctly American-voiced Fender amp into a weaker Vox with a muffled midrange. I'll never understand why people play a midrange instrument, then scoop it all out. It's kinda like being a bass player who hates bass notes. I'm a bigger fan of the classic voiced speakers, like the A-Type, V-Type and Vintage 30, with a clear midrange presence. Great video though.
@@DerekPaulGuitar I just realized that sounds way more negative than it originally sounded in my head when I typed it, lol. I can understand why people like the Creamback, I just like a heavy midrange sound in my guitar speakers, but most people seem to be gravitating toward scooped mids these days. I didn’t mean to sound like I was criticizing your choices or anything. Whatever makes you want to pick up the guitar and play is the right choice for you. Rock on! 🤘
Absolutely no offence taken at all, I always understand that sound is objective, and I agree that the a-type speaker has a fuller sound and the creamback is a little more ‘harsh’ or mid rangey, I think that it’s preferred as will the tubescreamer be in a band setting where the guitar has to punch through, although I’m not a big fan of that particular sound, I’m not settled overall on my ‘tone’ but it’s what I have for now, I’d love to try the tone master imperial or mesa boogie California tweed, anyway… rock on too my friend and stay well 🤘
V's do sound nice and clean. Vintage 30 sounds just a little bit on the tinny side to me. Greenbacks break up just a little too much for me. The Creamback may be the best in between for me.
Played the humboldt hotrod today with fender hotrod hempster (cannabiss rex) speaker in it and it flat out OWNED the stock jr iv at guitar center. Supposedly the hempster is tweaked a bit but it and the c rex are hemp cone eminence designed speakers.
Great video. It seems that the Creamback takes drive tones a little better imo, however this is highly subjective. The A does sound great though and as I've just gotten a HRD tweed, I need to get used to it.
Creamback is brighter. After a while you will hate it.. I think the stock speaker will do better when you cranck it up and use it in band playings. More balanced that way.
@@DerekPaulGuitar That's exactly what I ended up doing. I love being able to quickly switch back and forth between the two. I like the A-Type for cleans and mildly distorted classic tones. Both great speakers with very different voicings. Thanks for the comparison!
Hi Derek! What do you think about Celestions alnico Blu on the Hot Rod line? Would that be too bright? I have a Deville, I'm thinking about swapping them either for cream backs or the blue alnico ones. I'm into SRV, Sayce... Thanks!
thanks Derek i was thinking of doing just that,My old 97 h.r. drive ch always sucked.I use a pig nose in place of my pre amp. sounds better thinking about the g12 creamback, the hot rods like you have are better than the old ones.I was born in middlesex London England ,Do you know where that is?
I have a hot rod deluxe with a 75 watt speaker But i have an extension cabinet with 25watt greenback. Will it damage the Greenback? Or will it be okay concerning it’s being paired with the 75watter
Id say as long as the 25w has the correct impedance and you don't run it at high volumes you should be ok, maybe someone else has a more scientific answer though, cheers!
Good question! I really don’t know but I will say that it’s still sounding fantastic in my amp, a totally different character with less mids and a little more highs, for me it was that I didn’t really love the A-Type speaker that came with it, I was looking for more of a mid scooped sound, although the cream back isn’t overly mid scooped it works for me, thanks for the comment
Why do you prefer using a creamback M vs the 75w creamback H? just curious, andertons did a review and thought they liked the H better... maybe I'm wrong.
They did the review after I bought it, or I may have gone with that one, I just watched a lot of RU-vid videos at the time and made a decision based on that, still love the M though, cheers
@@supersonicsroots no problem, it’s really straightforward, unfortunately I only have real world experience with the 65w creamback, which I love, cheers!
@@DerekPaulGuitar I don't know there is something about the way it sounds which I really like but cant put my finger on it, oh yeah loving the socks mate =)\m/ thanks
Not sure if you're still thinking about the speaker, but you can use load resistors make a dummy load box at the same impedance in the second speaker output to half the load on your amp. It's like adding a second speaker but without the extra volume/cost. So you'd have 2x 16ohm impedances which would bring the total load down to 8ohms. Only drawback is that they get super hot from turning the high powered signal into heat instead of sound. So you'd need either A.) resistors with a power rating around 4x the amp's power OR B.) a really good heat sink/cooling setup
I know this is pretty advanced, and I had to go to engineering school to learn this highly technical information, but why don't you just lay the amp ON ITS SIDE while you put the 2 top screws in so you wont have to work so hard to "support it"? LOL. Just kidding. Nice video. You obviously play better than you mechanic.